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Started by ozbob, October 24, 2014, 07:12:25 AM

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verbatim9

Let's hope it gains some traction in State Parliament this week.



verbatim9

^^Multiple Councils now pushing for Daylight Saving in Qld


verbatim9

Brisbane Times---> Pressure mounts for daylight saving poll, and this time Premier is listening

Quote"And, for the first time since she was elected Queensland premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk has opened the door to the prospect."

"Premier is happy to hear the views of the [Local Government Association of Queensland], whose mayors represent all Queensland communities."

verbatim9

In Qld----> Flood of southerners may be enough to swing daylight saving debate this time

QuoteThe flood of interstate migrants into the south east would be likely to bolster the sentiment for an introduction of daylight saving in Queensland.

verbatim9

Couriermail ---> Gleeso: Time for another referendum on daylight saving in Queensland

QuoteThe fact that Queensland, one of the most progressive, modern and prosperous jurisdictions in the world, doesn't have daylight saving is criminal.

verbatim9

I believe that referendums on topics such as daylight saving unites the population and gives them purpose. It also underpins elements of our democracy. Therefore referendums can be held again for the same issue, especially if the last one was held over 30 years ago.

achiruel

Referenda should be confined to constitutional changes only. They're not required for legislative changes, and in reality there's no legal basis in Queensland for them to change legislation.


verbatim9

If there is any chance of Qld trialling Daylight Saving, it will likely be dealt with after the Federal Poll

The Greens Policy is for a 2 year trial. This could work in the current electoral cycle with a trial starting in Oct 22 and a referendum coinciding with the local government poll in March 2024.

If the majority want it in Southern half of Qld, they could resort to a split time zone again from Rocky down.

ozbob

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HappyTrainGuy

One could argue bcc has contributed to the poor outdoor lifestyle :P

verbatim9

Brisbane Times--->1992: Daylight saving put to bed but new dawn for conservative coalition


QuoteDaylight Saving was a relatively new concept in the 80s for Queenslanders. Most would agree if introduced now most people would embrace it. #DaylightSaving #Qld #Queensland #Brisbane #GoldCoast #SunshineCoast #Toowoomba #Cairns

verbatim9

Courier Mail---> New push for vote

QuotePrincipal petitioner and DS4SEQ chair David Jones, of Wynnum, on Brisbane's bayside, argued the 30-year-old referendum result was now irrelevant and not reflective of the state's current demographics and community sentiment and was costing the state's economy in excess of $4bn annually due to "business inefficiencies, and missed tourism and retail opportunities.

There is also the Gold Coast Airport, one of the fastest growing airports in the country, straddling both states. Its runway and terminal cross the border and it's clearly marked inside the terminal's baggage claim area. The airport runs on Queensland time.

Shambrook, 64, a retired primary school teacher, and her husband Colin, 66, live about 8m from the state border on Thomson St, in Tweed Heads. Daylight saving impacts almost every part of their lives.

Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner, a strong advocate for a new daylight saving trial and referendum, says Queensland has a population of more than five million people (with 2.5 million people in Brisbane) but more than three million Queenslanders have never officially been asked their opinion on the issue.

Schrinner, 45, says anyone under the age of 48 didn't get to participate in the referendum 30 years ago, as well as many people who have since moved to the state.

And while he realises he is "not the mayor of Queensland" and there are plenty of reasons why remote and regional residents are opposed to it, he says it comes down to democracy and an estimated $4bn businesses missed out on due to early closing times and a wasted daylight hour in the very early morning when most people were in bed asleep




achiruel

Quote from: verbatim9 on July 18, 2023, 13:25:17 PMhttps://twitter.com/verbatim18/status/1681139832993746945

Perhaps you should stop supporting your argument with blatant untruths.

DST does not save energy consumption in Australia.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/daylight-saving-saves-no-energy

See table 1. Negative values are energy savings. Australia isn't negative.

I'm not suprised though, as there is no scientific study that favours DST in Australia. You just like to push the barrow for substandard reasons.


verbatim9

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verbatim9

Courier Mail ----Daylight saving debate continues: Should Qld adopt daylight saving?


QuoteDaylight saving debate continues: Should Qld adopt daylight saving?
A national study has found the majority of Queenslanders want daylight saving, as the annual debate ramps up again. VOTE NOW





verbatim9

Brisbane Times --- As southerners prepare to wind clocks ahead, most Queenslanders want the same

QuoteThe news
Two-thirds of Queenslanders would support the introduction of daylight saving, what's described as the first comprehensive national survey on the issue has found.

Nationwide support sits at 80 per cent, and is highest in the ACT and southern states where it is observed – where clocks will get their annual hour wind-ahead from 2am on Sunday.


verbatim9

The Courier Mail survey results seem to be on par with Sigler's findings



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verbatim9

They should have a 5 year trial then survey people while the trial is occuring. Having a five year trial would allow better samples rather than people saying yes or no who haven't even experienced it.

verbatim9

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Quote from: SurfRail on November 04, 2023, 15:52:56 PMThis is good enough for me.

https://imb.uq.edu.au/article/2023/10/why-are-scientists-so-against-daylight-savings
I dismiss the notion of insomnia and heart attacks because of the one hour change. If this was evident your would definitely have a lot of people being presented to emergency departments in October and  April. There are also thousands of people that cross the border everyday between NSW and Qld. Is there evidence of health issues associated with that when people adjust an hour back or forward?

verbatim9

I always thought and still believe today that the western districts of Qld should be on SA time CST/CDT all year and the eastern half of the state on EST/EDT all year. This would harmonise the sunrises and sunsets throughout the state will all areas of the state having a sunset around 8pm or earlier mid summer.

SurfRail

Quote from: verbatim9 on November 04, 2023, 17:25:06 PM
Quote from: SurfRail on November 04, 2023, 15:52:56 PMThis is good enough for me.

https://imb.uq.edu.au/article/2023/10/why-are-scientists-so-against-daylight-savings
I dismiss the notion of insomnia and heart attacks because of the one hour change. If this was evident your would definitely have a lot of people being presented to emergency departments in October and  April. There are also thousands of people that cross the border everyday between NSW and Qld. Is there evidence of health issues associated with that when people adjust an hour back or forward?

You can dismiss whatever you want.
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verbatim9

There was a push in the EU to abandon daylight saving because of this reason. They have since reversed the idea of permanent daylight saving and is now keeping with the status quo as the benefits outweigh all these conspiracy theories. (untruths).

achiruel

Quote from: verbatim9 on November 04, 2023, 17:25:06 PM
Quote from: SurfRail on November 04, 2023, 15:52:56 PMThis is good enough for me.

https://imb.uq.edu.au/article/2023/10/why-are-scientists-so-against-daylight-savings
I dismiss the notion of insomnia and heart attacks because of the one hour change. If this was evident your would definitely have a lot of people being presented to emergency departments in October and  April. There are also thousands of people that cross the border everyday between NSW and Qld. Is there evidence of health issues associated with that when people adjust an hour back or forward?

Yep, you dismiss expert research because you know better than any expert, right? It's very obvious that you have an ideological obsessions with DST and you are unwilling to listen to any evidence to the contrary.

achiruel

Quote from: verbatim9 on November 05, 2023, 12:52:26 PMThere was a push in the EU to abandon daylight saving because of this reason. They have since reversed the idea of permanent daylight saving and is now keeping with the status quo as the benefits outweigh all these conspiracy theories. (untruths).

The conspiracy theories and untruths are all the bullsh%t you keep pushing in favour of DST, which has ZERO basis in any credible scientific research.

timh

#279
As I've said before, the sun sucks in Queensland. Its annoying and hot. Can we have Daylight SPENDINGS time instead so the great big ball of burning gas in the sky fu%ks off earlier so it can get a bit cooler?

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