RAIL - Back On Track Forum

Quote from: Lapdog Transit on November 15, 2013, 23:17:16 PM

QuoteThe miracle being the "miraculous" breakup of BT.

We have a few miracles under our belt we all should be proud of.

First, route 535 Springfield - a RBOT idea.

Like I keep saying, it is financially unsustainable. The drivers will want a pay rise in 3 years. There's no savings to be found here.

Actually, route 535 was already thought of by TransLink via a Consultant a few years before it was implemented.  I remember viewing the report about the Springfield route services back in 2007/8 when I was working at TL which was done by the same consultant who created the Eastern, Bribie Island (that network was designed by me and that consultant - I worked on the route design with him, and he did the timetabling and the report itself), and Southern region networks, and was the 'Grandfather' so to speak of the modern BT network as it is now, who created the 1xx, 2xx, 3xx, 4xx route structure back in 1997/98.

Other routes that came out of that report, but didn't get implemented, included a route between Ipswich and Springfield via Redbank Plains, and a local route within Springfield itself (route 532 IIRC), oh and route 534 which was implemented.  The report was kept internally on the shelf at my desk at the time, and my then Supervisor who was the Planner for the Western Region at the time.

I think Ozbob pointed out some issues regarding its implementation that TL was waiting on before it was implemented that held it back.  All RBOT did was put it out in public about getting it implemented.

And route 590 was actually a route thought of by TransLink (I even know who the Planner was) as well believe it or not, when TL was working (forcing BCC/BT) on splitting route 598/599 into separate routes way back in the late 00s.  So, no that was not a RBOT idea either sorry , I believe route 369 was part of that plan as well.

You just need to remember that a lot of these routes actually get planned out well in advanced (Network Planners do 4 year and 10 year plans - at least when I was there, not sure if it has changed since), and budgeting, planning and implementing takes at least 12 months from start to finish.   They don't get implemented within weeks of putting in a press release.  There's normally other issues going on if they don't get implemented or at least not straight away - ie: operator may not have enough drivers/buses as happened a few times when I was working there, across various parts of the network, the budget may need to be altered by request of management, affecting the implementation, there may not be enough service delivery staff to implement the network as they are already working on other regions, so we have to wait in line so to speak, or the Minister's office is being a bit slack, or has a bit of a backlog at signing it off (no network or route can be implemented without sign off from the Minister's office), etc etc.

EDIT: Oh and the train timetables 15min services has been in the planning since 2009 (and probably even earlier from a high level strategic planner perspective) - I got pulled into a meeting once with QR service planning management way back in 2009 to give them my opinion on how a 15min frequency should work.  I know Ozbob did mention somewhere that they were holding off implementation until they could get on top of the maintenance, get more crewing on board, and some other internal things were sorted, before they could implement.  The guys who rewrote the timetable have been working at QR since at least 2008 - I first met them at a training session in 2008, and they were talking about it and working on it even way back then.

I think all RBOT has done has bring it to the public attention and put pressure on various areas to implement - although the actual planning of these things has been done well before RBOT has come in on a lot of these events.

Yes many things are planned well in advance.  Our role has been to put public pressure on.

One of biggest pats on the back was support for new trains.  Campaigns in 2006/2007 were greatly appreciated by the powers to be and helped considerably in progressing the new SMU/IMUs believe it or not.  The support of the then very good network of Community Newspapers  was also instrumental.

Rarely is a idea completely new as such.  Raising the public profile of public transport generally has always been the game, and to that end something we have done very effectively.  This in turn helps support the internal moves for improved frequency etc.  Our support for particular initiatives is well appreciated I assure you.  I have been told that many times by those in the system.

Getting the Springfield extension double track all the way is also another success which we had a role in.

I don't worry though about runs on the board as such.  Improvements to the overall network is the name of the game.

We are not an enthusiast group as such.  They are everywhere, we are an advocacy group.  Boats will be rocked from time to time, so be it.

Onwards!

@cam 
due to brisbanes rather unique busway system...it shouldn't even be compared to other Australian cities.
Getting around the city I have had many conversations with drivers and passengers and they have all said that brisbanes busway is world class and a brilliant idea!! Some mention the conga lines on the bridge...more from a comical sense though. Once this is fixed with the masterplan and no doubt another large scale bus review...brisbanes bus network will probably be a world beater...it may even gain best in the world status as THE place for higher education due to ease of access to universities and surrounding suburbs via the busways. Investors are snapping up property and the busway & gliders would be a BIG part of their decision...

As for those hoping for a dream breakup of BT

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9895.0

almost 7 months....

Quoteit may even gain best in the world status as THE place for higher education due to ease of access to universities and surrounding suburbs via the busways.

Wouldn't Harvard university, being on the Boston T subway have us somewhat beaten in that regard

LOL love it techblitz ..


Nothing happens overnight, and as my grandma used to say, everything comes to those who wait ...

Don't get to excited about media releases, just have a read of the Ministerial statements to see what the the game is.  Media releases are often just ambit hooks  ...

Has anyone here said to break up BT?  I don't think so, what is the problem is that network planning control needs to be removed from BCC to progress the public transport network properly for SEQ.  This will happen in due course I have little doubt.

Onwards!

QuoteHas anyone here said to break up BT?

About 50 times by Lapdog....

Quote from: Gazza on November 16, 2013, 11:56:43 AM

QuoteHas anyone here said to break up BT?

About 50 times by Lapdog....

He's only said to separate BT from BCC, not to break up the thing into little chunks a la what Bligh did to Queensland Health. If he's said 'break up BT', he obviously means separate BCC from BT.

Another post brought to you after having waited 40 minutes for a 10 minute trip home. 

A connected public transport network for SEQ?

Quote from: Gazza on November 16, 2013, 11:56:43 AM

QuoteHas anyone here said to break up BT?

About 50 times by Lapdog....

And, absent anything else, I agree with him.  Just have 10 bus contract regions and be done with it.  BT just needs structural separation into 4, basics of the other 6 are all there.  One operator per region so no more than 10 operators to deal with max, most likely fewer as some operators may be able to procure more than one region (although I would cap the number of potential contracts anybody can hold to maybe 4 to prevent monopolies, and no more than 2 contiguous areas for any operator).

*COUGH*

Brisbane City Council

How Did Brisbane Get it's Busways? Findings of a study
into mode-choice decision-making in Brisbane

http://www.atrf.info/papers/2013/2013_tanko_burke.pdf

*COUGH*

Nobody knows what they are doing

*COUGH*

QuoteA university professor has defended his claim Brisbane has one of the best bus systems in the world, but admits it has not solved all of the city's transport woes.

Brisbanetimes.com.au readers reacted with disbelief yesterday after University of Sydney Professor David Hensher described the inner-city's integrated bus design as one of the top value-for-money transport networks in the world.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/its-true-brisbane-bus-service-iisi-the-best-20100324-qw1t.html


How's those $5 for one zone fares coming along? What about entire suburbs not being able to have decent service (Bulimba, Yeronga, Tennyson, the entire centenary suburbs, Albany Creek)? Or the steady stream of cost explosions (20%, 15%, 7.5%)?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .............

Sector 2 train timetables introduced.

Good coverage by rail.

Government puts out bus and rail operations to competitive tendering.

Queensland Rail wins the rail.

BT wins the the Brisbane area, however to be cost competitive with other operators BT redesigns their network. 

The new bus network has a remarkable similarity to the previously discarded TransLink bus review ...

Patronage booms as people start to realise that frequency is truly freedom, and frequent feeders to frequent rail actually is very cost efficient.  A new fare structure evolves that drives patronage around the clock ...


CLONK - giant hail ball hits my alfoil hat and I wake up 

Quote from: Lapdog Transit on November 16, 2013, 14:00:45 PM
*COUGH*

Brisbane City Council

How Did Brisbane Get it's Busways? Findings of a study
into mode-choice decision-making in Brisbane

http://www.atrf.info/papers/2013/2013_tanko_burke.pdf

*COUGH*

Nobody knows what they are doing

*COUGH*

The 'retro-spectroscope' can be a very useful instrument ...

Zzzzz...

Sector 2 train timetables repealed.

Rail network falls into disrepair due to lack of funding.

Government puts out bus and rail operations to competitive tendering.

BT wins the rail.

BT wins the the Brisbane area, however to be cost competitive with other operators (i.e. itself) BT shuts down the SEQ rail network.

The new bus network has a remarkable similarity to the previously discarded rail network ...

Patronage bombs as people start to realise that frequency was truly freedom, and everyone gets personalised hi-waste rocket buses to Gympie, Gold Coast and Ipswich actually is very convenient because it avoids transfer. Buses begin to haul coal and other freight as well on the busway.  A new fare structure evolves - one then free that drives peak hour patronage.

(The above scenario is something I made up, but almost happened in Perth)

Fortunately a few bright minds prevailed.  As they say the rest is history ...

Quote from: techblitz on November 16, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
@cam 
due to brisbanes rather unique busway system...it shouldn't even be compared to other Australian cities.
Getting around the city I have had many conversations with drivers and passengers and they have all said that brisbanes busway is world class and a brilliant idea!! Some mention the conga lines on the bridge...more from a comical sense though. Once this is fixed with the masterplan and no doubt another large scale bus review...brisbanes bus network will probably be a world beater...it may even gain best in the world status as THE place for higher education due to ease of access to universities and surrounding suburbs via the busways. Investors are snapping up property and the busway & gliders would be a BIG part of their decision...

As for those hoping for a dream breakup of BT

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9895.0

almost 7 months....

Sarcasm? Even Cairns has a better bus network than Brisbane.

"It won't happen overnight but it will happen"

(BCC is running the bus network at a loss this year, more cuts to come is my hunch)

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 18:12:31 PM

Quote from: techblitz on November 16, 2013, 10:31:37 AM

Sarcasm? Even Cairns has a better bus network than Brisbane.

just a bit obvious is it?
move to cairns then if you think Brisbane is going that far backwards....

QuoteEven Cairns has a better bus network than Brisbane.

No it doesn't.

It has a much better bus network than Moreton Bay. They even have buses at night on the weekend 

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/qconnect/Cairns-Real-Time/Cairns-Real-Time-Bus-Tracker.aspx

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 19:46:01 PM
It has a much better bus network than Moreton Bay. They even have buses at night on the weekend 

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/qconnect/Cairns-Real-Time/Cairns-Real-Time-Bus-Tracker.aspx

It's apples and oranges.

Cairns is a significant regional city. The Moreton Bay region, in isolation, is predominately suburban sprawl.

Quote from: Lapdog Transit on November 16, 2013, 18:44:18 PM
"It won't happen overnight but it will happen"

(BCC is running the bus network at a loss this year, more cuts to come is my hunch)

Not if they want to keep running buses...

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 19:46:01 PM
It has a much better bus network than Moreton Bay. They even have buses at night on the weekend 

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/qconnect/Cairns-Real-Time/Cairns-Real-Time-Bus-Tracker.aspx

690 is covering decently till 11pm on weekends
North lakes however not so lucky..
Unfortunately for north lakes it doesn't look like changing till mbrl now...

Translink and hornibrook have probably come to the conclusion that without north lakes westifield giving the 680 patronage outside of opening hours...then it wont get sufficient numbers to warrant the service  . There has to be some reason why they have chosen not to add on extra weekend night services to petrie rail.D/running perhaps..who knows.

The current 680 and 682 into petrie @5.30-6pm is nowhere near good enough. Should be 2 extra services at least till 8pm. north lakes gets its last service into petrie @ 5.30 pm Saturdays/sundays.....Redcliffe etc get it to sandgate @11pm. They should look at evening it out somehow.

The 690 stops running at 6pm on Sunday and there is a 3 hour gap before that 11pm service on Saturday. Imagine arriving at Sandgate at 8.30pm and finding out the next bus to Redcliffe doesn't leave until after 11pm. Not as bad as arriving at Petrie after 7pm and finding out the next bus doesn't leave until 10am the next day.

Quote from: nikko on November 16, 2013, 20:04:29 PM

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 19:46:01 PM
It has a much better bus network than Moreton Bay. They even have buses at night on the weekend 

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/qconnect/Cairns-Real-Time/Cairns-Real-Time-Bus-Tracker.aspx

It's apples and oranges.

Cairns is a significant regional city. The Moreton Bay region, in isolation, is predominately suburban sprawl.

What rubbish. The Redcliffe peninsula is just as dense as anywhere in Cairns. You think that Palm Cove deserves to have better bus services than Redcliffe.

Townsville is quite respectable too.

Sadly Toowoomba isn't.

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 21:14:38 PM

Quote from: nikko on November 16, 2013, 20:04:29 PM

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 19:46:01 PM
It has a much better bus network than Moreton Bay. They even have buses at night on the weekend 

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/qconnect/Cairns-Real-Time/Cairns-Real-Time-Bus-Tracker.aspx

It's apples and oranges.

Cairns is a significant regional city. The Moreton Bay region, in isolation, is predominately suburban sprawl.

What rubbish. The Redcliffe peninsula is just as dense as anywhere in Cairns. You think that Palm Cove deserves to have better bus services than Redcliffe.

Right.

You can hardly call anywhere in the Moreton Bay region as much of a tourist destination than Cairns. High seasonal/tourist population = lower car dependence.

You have to also consider that Cairns is a city in itself which includes a CBD. The Moreton Bay region is on the outer fringes of a major city and does not feature a CBD in the same sense as, say, Cairns or Brisbane.

Nobody is saying that things are great for PT in the Moreton Bay region. Just saying that you're comparing apples and oranges.

Some of you may remember the campaign run to save the 116 during Stage 3 of the bus review (the one involving the knitted stuff). Well I  on board the 116 today. I would ask for opinions on the service, but unfortunately there were no pax on board past Moorooka shops.

Another route for the chopping block...

Quote from: James on November 19, 2013, 09:49:50 AM
Some of you may remember the campaign run to save the 116 during Stage 3 of the bus review (the one involving the knitted stuff). Well I  on board the 116 today. I would ask for opinions on the service, but unfortunately there were no pax on board past Moorooka shops.

Another route for the chopping block...

ive used it at peak @ offpeak several times in both directions and it does decently up to Moorooka on outbound then usually empty till rocklea station...Inbound it picks up most of its passengers at Moorooka and around Fairfield rd.
No doubt they run the 116 from rocklea station so those in rocklea can connect to Moorooka shops.Sector 2 will benefit the 116 where it will be better to connect from the Beenleigh line.

Once again emphasizing the limitations Moorooka rail station has with its access to the popular shopping district.Some routes wouldn't need to exist if people could easily connect to Moorooka rail up to the shops.

Hourly service with minimal d/running from Sherwood depot.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/city/donna-toussaint-is-taking-matters-into-her-own-hands-one-purl-at-a-time/story-fn8m0qb4-1226611097406
Seems she did her own informal survey!!

@old northern rd

indeed.....random timetables on weekend services up there at moreton. Perhaps its a staff issue as to why they choose to run services with gaps like that.

The terminus for 116 at Rocklea has a locked toilet for the driver to use.

Quoteive used it at peak @ offpeak several times in both directions and it does decently up to Moorooka on outbound then usually empty till rocklea station...Inbound it picks up most of its passengers at Moorooka and around Fairfield rd.

So doesn't this really confirm that TL were right all along to BUZ the 125 under the review?

Quote from: nikko on November 16, 2013, 23:15:55 PM

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 21:14:38 PM

Quote from: nikko on November 16, 2013, 20:04:29 PM

Quote from: Old Northern Road on November 16, 2013, 19:46:01 PM
It has a much better bus network than Moreton Bay. They even have buses at night on the weekend 

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/qconnect/Cairns-Real-Time/Cairns-Real-Time-Bus-Tracker.aspx

It's apples and oranges.

Cairns is a significant regional city. The Moreton Bay region, in isolation, is predominately suburban sprawl.

What rubbish. The Redcliffe peninsula is just as dense as anywhere in Cairns. You think that Palm Cove deserves to have better bus services than Redcliffe.

Right.

You can hardly call anywhere in the Moreton Bay region as much of a tourist destination than Cairns. High seasonal/tourist population = lower car dependence.

You have to also consider that Cairns is a city in itself which includes a CBD. The Moreton Bay region is on the outer fringes of a major city and does not feature a CBD in the same sense as, say, Cairns or Brisbane.

Nobody is saying that things are great for PT in the Moreton Bay region. Just saying that you're comparing apples and oranges.

Have a look at a map to see where Palm Cove is. It's over 20km north of Cairns' CBD. Nearly the same distance as Redcliffe is from Brisbane's CBD. You really think a coastal village made up entirely of low density housing on the outskirts of a town of 150 000 people deserves to have considerably better public transport than a much higher density area on the outskirts of a city of over 2 million people.

Redcliffe is also only slightly further from Brisbane's CBD as Moggill is.

Quote from: techblitz on November 19, 2013, 10:33:23 AMive used it at peak @ offpeak several times in both directions and it does decently up to Moorooka on outbound then usually empty till rocklea station...Inbound it picks up most of its passengers at Moorooka and around Fairfield rd.
No doubt they run the 116 from rocklea station so those in rocklea can connect to Moorooka shops.Sector 2 will benefit the 116 where it will be better to connect from the Beenleigh line.

Once again emphasizing the limitations Moorooka rail station has with its access to the popular shopping district.Some routes wouldn't need to exist if people could easily connect to Moorooka rail up to the shops.

Hourly service with minimal d/running from Sherwood depot.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/city/donna-toussaint-is-taking-matters-into-her-own-hands-one-purl-at-a-time/story-fn8m0qb4-1226611097406
Seems she did her own informal survey!!

I am very aware of Donna's informal survey, in fact this was the reason for me choosing to travel on this route over other air parcels in the area (112, 113, 117 etc.). If you look at the bus review, the part which was most valuable (i.e. the part in Tarrigindi/Moorooka) was set to be retained. The small coverage area between Ipswich Road and Beaudesert Road was to be folded into a cross-town and/or axed appropriately, and rightfully so.

The service had a maximum of 7 pax on board, and all pax were off the bus by the time the bus reached Ipswich Road. Several pax were making CBD/Annerley Road - Ipswich/Beaudesert Road trips, which interested me. The majority could have been catered to by the 125, but it does make the point about a service down Annerley Road. Regardless, the 116 should be at the very least, terminated at the Moorvale stop full time, or possibly extended to the Moorooka or even the Rocklea Markets/Sherwood Depot (nice semi-cross town function?). Where it goes now serves no purpose.

Quote from: Gazza on November 19, 2013, 12:18:29 PMSo doesn't this really confirm that TL were right all along to BUZ the 125 under the review?

^ this. My trips along Ipswich Road, combined with my inner Beaudesert Road trips, have made my mind up that BUZ 125 is essential and that the 100 should be de-BUZed. I may need to take a few trips on the 120 first though to look at what should be done with it though.

Quote from: Cam on November 19, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
The terminus for 116 at Rocklea has a locked toilet for the driver to use.

Ah, the good old toilet! The reason why 417 drivers even bother going past Swann Road on their bus runs.

Anyway, after using the 116, I hopped on the train down to Salisbury and took a nice, long trip on the GCL to Indooroopilly (598 - the long way).

The GCL Story:
We started out with 6 pax at Salisbury, gained 3 at QE2, 6 on/2 off at Sunnybank shops and then a few on/off in between there and Garden City. At Garden City, 5 off and 7 on, with 2 off and 4 on at Mt Gravatt Plaza. We then steadily picked up a few passengers between here and Carindale, and at Carindale all passengers got off, and we picked up two passengers. We picked up two more on the way to Cannon Hill, before the bus totally emptied there.
I wasn't alone for long, with two passengers joining me at Murrarie South (who were going to Indooroopilly with suitcases - I honestly thought that to be *really* strange, was expecting them to get off at Toombul for the 590 to the airport and get to the airport cheaply via the DFO shuttle). No pax at the Gateway TAFE stop, with 10 on at Toombul. Another 5 got on at Nundah Village - GCL performing quite well in this section. On our way to Chermside, I saw a totally empty 322. 10 off at Chermside with 6 on. Passengers got on/off throughout the route until we got to Brookside, where I undoubtably had the funniest moment of the day.
Two old ladies got on, walker and grocery carrier in tow. It was clear they were a bit hard of hearing and had bought too much stuff, as they were struggling to carry it. They were shouting, swearing and so forth when one of the ladies' shopping bags fell on to the ground. I would have helped, but I was both trying my best to control my laughter and block out their shouting.
6 passengers got off between Mitchelton and Ashgrove, but no passengers got off at any GCL/WasteGlider stops. The old ladies finally got off at Bardon (with everybody on the bus having a quiet chuckle!), and then two other passengers got off at the Botanic Gardens (I was shocked too). We finally had the driver change-over at the Toowong depot, before we were off to Toowong. We finally headed off to Indooroopilly, where all passengers (including myself) got off. Two passengers then boarded the bus, and off the bus went.



Unrelated observations:
Numerous questions were asked of the driver, indicating to me there is an issue with legibility. "Do you go to (shopping centre on the route)?" was quite common. One poor old lady at Chermside was trying to get to Virginia, the driver (being Toowong-based) had no idea. I recommended she catch the 330 to Zillmere station and then catch the train to Virginia - apparently she'd already come from Zillmere? :conf Regardless, the only think I could think is 'the northside's bus network strikes again!'.

11 pax on a terminating 370, 3 pax on an outbound 335 (pre-Chermside interchange), a 346 with one passenger on board (along with a 113 with a similar number of pax) were the main things which stuck in my mind.

Conclusions:
WELL PERFORMING SECTIONS: Garden City - Carindale, Toombul - Chermside
AVERAGE PERFORMING SECTIONS: Chermside - Mitchelton, Salisbury - Garden City
POOR PERFORMING SECTIONS: Mitchelton - Indooroopilly, Carindale - Toombul

GCL/590 is weighing heavily on these routes' performance, especially between Carindale and Toombul. I feel demand for this cross-town connection at this point is very low thanks to the high standard of motorways and the divide between the two sides of the city that the Brisbane river/industrial areas create. I believe this may also be able to be said about the Indooroopilly - Sherwood section, but that would be more probably due to the bus competing with the railway line (a fact of running the route, really - not much that can be done, aside from maybe putting it on Oxley Road). 598/599 should just adopt the 590 route, as I don't believe the Gateway TAFE has demand high enough to genuinely sustain decent patronage - it is better off being covered by a route like the 303, or maybe even extending Doomben trains one stop further to Eagle Farm (but that'd be more costly).

Network simplification also needs to urgently take place, especially on the GCL. Needs to be split into three parts as prior mentioned - at practically every shopping centre, we had dwells of up to 10 minutes. The number of questions asked also shows me that the network is unnecessarily complex, as is route structure of the GCL.

Quote from: Gazza on November 19, 2013, 12:18:29 PM

Quoteive used it at peak @ offpeak several times in both directions and it does decently up to Moorooka on outbound then usually empty till rocklea station...Inbound it picks up most of its passengers at Moorooka and around Fairfield rd.

So doesn't this really confirm that TL were right all along to BUZ the 125 under the review?

TL axing most of the routes around the 125 may have been good on paper and popular with you gents but it backfired bigtime.
The councellors had an absolute field day outlining all the axed routes when they challenged matic and quirk on the review in parliament.From Yeronga all the way out throught inala,archerfield,rocklea,morooka.It was a veritable hot spot of rejection!

Heres a new one for yas...I believe this one is still up btw

QuoteTL axing most of the routes around the 125 may have been good on paper and popular with you gents but it backfired bigtime.

They weren't 'axed', they were shifted onto adjacent roads so they were spaced more evenly, and not an overlapping spaghetti tangle like they are now.

Quote from: techblitz on November 19, 2013, 20:20:04 PMTL axing most of the routes around the 125 may have been good on paper and popular with you gents but it backfired bigtime.
The councellors had an absolute field day outlining all the axed routes when they challenged matic and quirk on the review in parliament.From Yeronga all the way out throught inala,archerfield,rocklea,morooka.It was a veritable hot spot of rejection!

Heres a new one for yas...I believe this one is still up btw

Those 'Save Our Service' posters were political interest posters put up by a political group (most likely the unions, or somebody affiliated with BCC/BT/ALP). They are pieces of political crap which only deserve to be used as toilet paper. They are scaremongering posters with no proper arguments. Yes, Sherwood Road lost its service. Easily fixed by introducing a cross-town feeder. The review wasn't final, and there were good things about it.

And secondly, Quirk and Matic weren't in charge of the review at all - the councillors should have been directed to Emerson. That is sort of like asking Lapdog if he could shed light on why I decided to continue to give Moggill a HF service in my own review (i.e. someone who has nothing to do with the planner(s) being asked a question about something he doesn't support).

125 BUZ combined the highest patronage routes of the 100 BUZ and the 120 BUZ to create an effective, frequent, high-patronage bus route with strong patronage generators along all sections of the route (Ipswich Road, Salisbury station and Griffith University), while removing the excessive dead-running and air-parcel tendencies of the 100 and 120 BUZes.

(Cue techblitz's 'GRANNIES OF INALA NEED TAXIS EVERYWHERE! POOR PEOPLE NEED BUSES EVERYWHERE AS THEY CANNOT AFFORD FOOD OR WATER! - at this rate they won't even be able to afford a bus into the City )

Techblitz why do you put so much weight on the protests of the ill informed?

Should we not have built the Gold Coast Light Rail system for that reason?

Here is the thing. We cannot accept that change is impossible because SOME people's feelings might get hurt or they don't want it. If we take that line, GC Light Rail would not be built. By the same token, we'd never be able to convert the system to an interchange based one. That's why I take a hard line on interchanging with 412 for example. People who threaten to leave the system will easily be replaced by those who will find the set up useful. They're just not that special. That and I've run out of patience listening to self-serving BS masquerading as 'concern'.

Quote
Those 'Save Our Service' posters were political interest posters put up by a political group (most likely the unions, or somebody affiliated with BCC/BT/ALP). They are pieces of political cr%p which only deserve to be used as toilet paper. They are scaremongering posters with no proper arguments. Yes, Sherwood Road lost its service. Easily fixed by introducing a cross-town feeder. The review wasn't final, and there were good things about it.

The thing here is rationality gets you NOWHERE when dealing with the public. Emotional appeals, scare mongering, fear campaigns, truth-distortion, etc DOES get you everywhere. There is no fine or jail for public lying. Some religions say you go to hell and burn there if you lie and so forth but clearly, people don't care.

It is a Union Campaign I believe. The RBTU is in bed with BCC/BT because they have a cosy monopoly where they don't have to compete with any other companies that might undercut their member's wages. That way they keep their wages high, which sounds good for them until you realise the $$$ for that isn't coming from Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy but compoulsorily taken from rates which if you refuse to pay, you can have your property taken away from you.

And hence why BCC is central to everything. Central to the fares, the cost, the network set up, the politics, everything comes back to BCC. Solve that, and everything will fall into place.

Quote from: Gazza on November 19, 2013, 21:21:54 PMTechblitz why do you put so much weight on the protests of the ill informed?

It is because if BCC vs. TransLink were a football match, techblitz would be barracking for BCC

Quote from: Lapdog Transit on November 19, 2013, 21:32:48 PMIt is a Union Campaign I believe. The RBTU is in bed with BCC/BT because they have a cosy monopoly where they don't have to compete with any other companies that might undercut their member's wages. That way they keep their wages high, which sounds good for them until you realise the $$$ for that isn't coming from Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy but compoulsorily taken from rates which if you refuse to pay, you can have your property taken away from you.

Since when have the unions objected to taking away money from honest Australians and embezzling it in their own self-interests?