• Welcome to RAIL - Back On Track Forum.
 

26 Feb 2012: SEQ: Core Frequent Network: The Northwest Corridor

Started by ozbob, February 26, 2012, 03:50:08 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

ozbob



Media release 26 February 2012

SEQ: Core Frequent Network: The Northwest Corridor



RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has called for service improvements to the Northwest Corridor.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"RAIL Back On Track has noted the state member for Everton, Murray Wyatt MP, is circulating a petition calling for more frequent bus services in the northwest corridor. We have long argued that the fastest, cheapest way to improve the public transport system in Brisbane is a targeted, selective boost of services to create a Core Frequent Network covering Brisbane with a network of selective trunk, high-capacity, high-frequency, traffic-prioritised workhorse rail, ferry and bus routes (1, 2)."

"Suburbs on the northwest corridor are a service poor region in the BUZ network. We believe that BUZification of either the 350 Everton Park or 359 Albany Creek/Eatons Hill and replacement of the Great Circle line in this area with a new, faster, more direct bus line from Indooroopilly to Brookside shopping centre direct via South Pine and Old Northern Road is required."

"This would allow other non-BUZ services to be converted into frequent feeder services feeding Enoggera rail interchange, connect with increased frequency Ferny Grove line trains, and also allow a generalised frequency boost to buses in the northwest corridor. Better frequency directly stimulates patronage. Using connections rather than direct services gives high frequency to more people for the same fixed budget."

"In the long term, high car use will be tackled by clawing back market share from cars by making it easier for people to dispense with car ownership altogether - that is to own fewer or no cars. And for that to happen,the focus must be taken off peak-hour services and put on all day frequent services such as Bus Upgrade Zones (BUZ) and Train Upgrade Zones (TUZ) and the Core Frequent Network."

"RAIL Back On Track has welcomed the LNP proposed policy announcement of increased train frequency - 15 minutes on the Ferny Grove line weekdays between the peaks, however without frequent weekend and evening services, people will still need to own cars, and thus will not be easier for people to dispense with car ownership altogether and thus more likely to use them in peak hour (3, 4)."

"Focus on the core!"

References:

1. Building a Core Frequent Network   http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=5173.0

2. Fight for more buses - Murray Watt MP  http://www.murraywattmp.com/01_cms/details.asp?ID=75

3. LNP Plan means no need for timetables  http://lnp.org.au/news/leader-of-the-lnp/lnp-train-plan-means-no-need-for-timetables

4. Jarrett Walker (Audio) - Transit Isn't Just for Peak Periods—It Needs to Be There All Day
http://www.infrastructureusa.org/guest-on-the-infra-blog-jarrett-walker-author-human-transit-how-clearer-thinking-about-public-transit-can-enrich-our-communities-and-our-lives/

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org
Half baked projects, have long term consequences ...
Ozbob's Gallery Forum   Facebook  X  Threads  Mastodon  BlueSky

John Fraser

It's a well known saying that the public can have anything they want from government as long as they are prepared to pay for it.

So why does Rail Back on Track keep calling for extra services while all the time screaming about the yearly 15% increases in fares ?

Calling for better use of public money is one thing, calling for extra services is a whole new kettle of fish (just thought I would throw that mixed metaphor in because Rail Back on Track appears to use them regularly).

ozbob

Quote from: John Fraser on February 26, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
It's a well known saying that the public can have anything they want from government as long as they are prepared to pay for it.

So why does Rail Back on Track keep calling for extra services while all the time screaming about the yearly 15% increases in fares ?

Calling for better use of public money is one thing, calling for extra services is a whole new kettle of fish (just thought I would throw that mixed metaphor in because Rail Back on Track appears to use them regularly).

LOL John.  Extra services actually means more revenue as there is a much better fleet utilisation and actually improves the fare box.  We have been simply pointing out the public perceptions of high fares John.   Why don't you read more thoroughly and get a real understanding of the issues, or is that too much to ask?  Snappy little blog comments belong on blogs John .....
Half baked projects, have long term consequences ...
Ozbob's Gallery Forum   Facebook  X  Threads  Mastodon  BlueSky

somebody

Quote from: John Fraser on February 26, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
It's a well known saying that the public can have anything they want from government as long as they are prepared to pay for it.
LOL.

It's not really that simple.

Quote from: John Fraser on February 26, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
So why does Rail Back on Track keep calling for extra services while all the time screaming about the yearly 15% increases in fares ?

Calling for better use of public money is one thing, calling for extra services is a whole new kettle of fish (just thought I would throw that mixed metaphor in because Rail Back on Track appears to use them regularly).
It's widely regarded that the performance of a transit system is a function of its patronage vs subsidy.  Current fare levels are too high reducing patronage and are having no effect on the total subsidy.  Similarly the marginal cost of additional rail services is tiny compared to the additional patronage which would be generated, so the function would be improved significantly by this also.

#Metro

We do call for efficiencies

SEQ: Core Frequent Network - Cut waste to fund BUZ 400 for Centenary Suburbs!
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7720.0


SEQ: Connections reduce waste and inefficiency in bus network
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7594.0


SEQ: Core Frequent Network: Legacy routes should give way to frequent feeders
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7502.0

You'll also note the appearance of BOTH the LNP and ALP in the same media release... we care about mobility
Negative people... have a problem for every solution. Posts are commentary and are not necessarily endorsed by RAIL Back on Track or its members.

John Fraser

Ho Ho Ho ozbob.

It would appear with the 15% price increases the public are using their cars in even greater numbers .... or don't you read your own posts.

If you don't want opinions from everybody why do you continue to advertise Rail Back on Track as a community effort ?

Not to mention the obvious bias towards the LNP.

Good to see Rail Back on Track is such good friends with Thiess John Holland (Leightons Group) about 70,000 people in Kalinga, Wooloowin,Lutwyche,Gordon Park, Stafford and Kedron might take issue with it though.

If you don't value my input then put the reasons online, and out there, and take away this public transport users membership.


Arnz

Still trolling I see eh John?

Keep your politicial biases and ignorance to the blogs, you were shown examples where we have criticised both parties on things, you chose to ignore them and criticise us for being LNP.
Rgds,
Arnz

Unless stated otherwise, Opinions stated in my posts are those of my own view only.

ozbob

Quote from: John Fraser on February 26, 2012, 11:13:06 AM
Ho Ho Ho ozbob.

It would appear with the 15% price increases the public are using their cars in even greater numbers .... or don't you read your own posts.

If you don't want opinions from everybody why do you continue to advertise Rail Back on Track as a community effort ?

Not to mention the obvious bias towards the LNP.

Good to see Rail Back on Track is such good friends with Thiess John Holland (Leightons Group) about 70,000 people in Kalinga, Wooloowin,Lutwyche,Gordon Park, Stafford and Kedron might take issue with it though.

If you don't value my input then put the reasons online, and out there, and take away this public transport users membership.



Hysterical John.   Bias?  Bit silly I think.  This group is to support improvements in public transport.  Here are the results of our 2011 public survey.  --> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7144.0

Our terms of service are here -->  http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=3.0

We have given you a good run (see --> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7674.msg87621#msg87621 ). As you are persisting in posting deliberate provocations.  Your membership of this group is removed.  Good luck with your endeavours, which are clearly not in line with ours.
Half baked projects, have long term consequences ...
Ozbob's Gallery Forum   Facebook  X  Threads  Mastodon  BlueSky

ozbob

Half baked projects, have long term consequences ...
Ozbob's Gallery Forum   Facebook  X  Threads  Mastodon  BlueSky

🡱 🡳