New Timetables 2011 June

[Stillwater]

One for the Translink community reference group meeting for the Sunshine Coast, when it is formed.

[ClintonL94]

Just noticed on the TransLink website that all train lines have a new timetable effective from June 6 2011. There are new pictures for each timetable. Although there is no difference in train times in any timetable except for the Gold Coast train departing Bowen Hills at 17:24 weekdays(used to depart as a Bowen Hills starter - now comes from Shorncliffe.)

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/services-and-timetables/trains

[somebody]

My reading of the timetable is that most of the inbound runs have an approx 11 minute connection, and most of the outbound runs have a 5 minute connection.

Just noticed on the TransLink website that all train lines have a new timetable effective from June 6 2011. There are new pictures for each timetable. Although there is no difference in train times in any timetable except for the Gold Coast train departing Bowen Hills at 17:24 weekdays(used to depart as a Bowen Hills starter - now comes from Shorncliffe.)

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/services-and-timetables/trains

That's odd.  Has the relationship with Airtrain broken down that badly that having this service originating from the Airport cannot be negotiated?

[Arnz]

My reading of the timetable is that most of the inbound runs have an approx 11 minute connection, and most of the outbound runs have a 5 minute connection.

That's if your train does "have a bus" connection, otherwise you're sitting for 20mins-1hour+ depending on whenever is the next bus.

Just noticed on the TransLink website that all train lines have a new timetable effective from June 6 2011. There are new pictures for each timetable. Although there is no difference in train times in any timetable except for the Gold Coast train departing Bowen Hills at 17:24 weekdays(used to depart as a Bowen Hills starter - now comes from Shorncliffe.)

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/services-and-timetables/trains

That's odd.  Has the relationship with Airtrain broken down that badly that having this service originating from the Airport cannot be negotiated?

There is a morning service from VSY that continues to Doomben (instead of the Airport) in this timetable.  That service previously was a Bowen Hills terminator.

[justanotheruser]

ThatS known as a sub domain that links to another part of the website where as a new domain is another address.

Yes, technically it is.  However the user sees it as a separate site.

I don't understand how.  It has the same logos, the same colour scheme which is all most people would look at anyway. The domain name is not relevent really. There is no difference at all between putting it on a seperate sub-domain or on a web page of the same site except the latter makes more sense. Why? Because then you just have one site to go to for all information. Realistically who is going to know to type in the extra bit at the beginning. May as well just make a page on the current website if people will go there and click on the link anyway.

I was just trying to understand your logic is all.

Explore this site with Michael and Mere and learn all you need to know about the changes to ensure you are well-informed for travelling with Metro.

http://destinationbetter.metrotrains.com.au/

But we are missing the point, what an excellent example of how change should be handled.  Honestly, the crap that we put up with here in Queensland is rather sad ..

yes it is an great example of handling change although it did startle me when suddenly these voices were coming from my computer speakers. It was only when I looked at the page I realised it was from there.

[justanotheruser]

Just noticed on the TransLink website that all train lines have a new timetable effective from June 6 2011. There are new pictures for each timetable. Although there is no difference in train times in any timetable except for the Gold Coast train departing Bowen Hills at 17:24 weekdays(used to depart as a Bowen Hills starter - now comes from Shorncliffe.)

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/services-and-timetables/trains

Sorry what do you mean there is no change to train times on any of the train timetables? Are you saying the changes are so small they aren't worth mentioning? Or are you just talking about one particular line.

[HappyTrainGuy]

ThatS known as a sub domain that links to another part of the website where as a new domain is another address.

Yes, technically it is.  However the user sees it as a separate site.

I think you'll find that its the opposite. On the Translink website the whole main journey planner page is on a subdomain. How many people would have noticed that and thought ooops I must not be on the translink website anymore. The same applies to nearly every website you happen to visit. Facebook uses subdomains. Twitter does. Apple does. Paypal does. Wikipedia, Google, Online banking, Governments, Universities, blogs, news websites, ebay and the list can go on and on. A user only suspects that their on a different website when the graphics and pages have a noticable change in layout/design which might be the case with the link you provided as two seperate webdesign firms have designed the domain and the subdomain.

[ozbob]

@HTG  groan ... I was talking specifically about the Melbourne Change Site.  Their introduction even refers to it as a 'site' it is organisationally and functionally a separate site (albeit under a sub domain).

But irrevelant really, what is important is the obvious effort put in to properly communicate to their passengers.  Something lacking here ...

@JAU  the logic of it is separate out the pages and programming related to the change, and leave the main site uncluttered and functioning independently of the development process.  The change stuff can be developed independently of the main site and when rolled out just link it.  When the time comes to remove the change information simple matter of killing the change site with out having to change a lot of coding on the main site.

[ClintonL94]

Just noticed on the TransLink website that all train lines have a new timetable effective from June 6 2011. There are new pictures for each timetable. Although there is no difference in train times in any timetable except for the Gold Coast train departing Bowen Hills at 17:24 weekdays(used to depart as a Bowen Hills starter - now comes from Shorncliffe.)

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/services-and-timetables/trains

Sorry what do you mean there is no change to train times on any of the train timetables? Are you saying the changes are so small they aren't worth mentioning? Or are you just talking about one particular line.

Apologies.. I didn't mention this..

There are no changes to Beenleigh, Ferny Grove, Cleveland and Doomben timetables yet they are been updated on June 6. Gold Coast has one service that comes from Shorncliffe in the PM peak and the Bowen Hills terminator in the AM peak now continues onto Doomben - saving 1x6 car train in both peaks for another service!

That's odd.  Has the relationship with Airtrain broken down that badly that having this service originating from the Airport cannot be negotiated?

I am not sure what the patronage is like on the Airport Spur at that hour(Assuming busy like any other line). Remember Airtrain has to pay for the train and if they think it's not required then that's their business.

[somebody]

There are no changes to Beenleigh, Ferny Grove, Cleveland and Doomben timetables yet they are been updated on June 6. Gold Coast has one service that comes from Shorncliffe in the PM peak and the Bowen Hills terminator in the AM peak now continues onto Doomben - saving 1x6 car train in both peaks for another service!

Ferny Grove currently has a train continuing via Tennyson - this has to be changed, and obviously the same applies to Beenleigh which has a number of Tennyson trains.  You've already mentioned a change for Doomben, and the same will apply for Gold Coast-Airport.  Not sure what needs to change for Cleveland, perhaps there is a companion change for the Doomben change, but they need to have the correct info.

I am not sure what the patronage is like on the Airport Spur at that hour(Assuming busy like any other line). Remember Airtrain has to pay for the train and if they think it's not required then that's their business.

Indeed they do, but at present they are open to the charge of false advertising, with the 4tph in peak adds.  There's a gap ex-Central from 17:11 to 17:41.

[somebody]

My reading of the timetable is that most of the inbound runs have an approx 11 minute connection, and most of the outbound runs have a 5 minute connection.

That's if your train does "have a bus" connection, otherwise you're sitting for 20mins-1hour+ depending on whenever is the next bus.

Which would be more "tight fisted" than "stupid".

[Zoiks]

Simon,
I forgot to upload the latest file. Will do it when I get home and post on here so you can see my working

[SurfRail]

Connecting bus services on these timetables are still out of date. 

It really can't be that hard to get right - I'll do it for them for free.  That character SM247 over on Bus Australia has a map which sets it all out (although it is still a work in progress I gather).

[somebody]

Simon,
I forgot to upload the latest file. Will do it when I get home and post on here so you can see my working

Can't fault your working there Zoiks.  The only part I would question is the braking rate, but we don't have access to the real braking curve.

If braking was let's say 32% (1.1/0.83) more than acceleration, that would see a noticeable increase in the time lost.

[Zoiks]

Fair call, ill adjust that tonight and give you the results

[Fares_Fair]

One for the Translink community reference group meeting for the Sunshine Coast, when it is formed.

Has anyone else here heard of this initiative ?
or is it just another excuse for TRANSLink not to attend the North Coast Line CRG.
Our facilitator has told us that he has invited them on a number of occasions.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[Stillwater]

  Thumbs up to Translink for including in new timetables details of connecting buses at stations and also for the legend showing stations with carparks, bus interchanges and facilities for people with a disability.  Much appreciated.

[Golliwog]

Hmmm, they've changed the running times listed down the side of the timetable for the FG line. Haven't noticed any impact on the actual listed timetable though.

The new timetable gives the travel time from FG to Roma St as 37 minutes, up from 34. This is on the bar thing on the RHS of the 2nd page of the timetable. It does have the trains travelling faster through the inner parts (shaving a minute off a couple of station to station times) but adds 2 minutes to each of Grovely to Keperra and Keperra to FG to become 4 minutes and 7 minutes respectively.

[Golliwog]

Hmmm, having a look at the Richlands/Ipswich/Rosewood timetables. While Richlands services are included on the IPS/RW timetable, the seperate Richlands timetable only shows trains on the IPS line that stop all stations (so pretty much just the off/counter peak ones). I understand why, but at the same time wonder why there is a need for a seperate timetable right now. It's only a one station spur at the moment. Once its a proper branch then they can go about being fancy and coming up with a seperate timetable.

[Zoiks]

Latest update:
Braking curve is now similar to that of the acceleration curve.

How much time (in seconds) is lost when making a stop (30 second dwell) at a certain speed:

130km/h - 88.92
120km/h - 81.72
110km/h - 75.07
100km/h - 68.97
90km/h - 63.42
80km/h - 58.40
70km/h - 53.90
60km/h - 49.89
50km/h - 46.32
40km/h - 43.04

[Fares_Fair]

Guess they finished folding SW.
I got a hold of the new printed Sunshine Coast timetable for June 6, this morning.

As Stillwater said in a post here somewhere, the bus connections are shown and that is a sensible move.

I noticed that the Rail bus services are no longer highlighted in colour, but have RBus
above and below the Rail bus services, all 26 of them.

Regards,
Fares_fair.

[Stillwater]

I tried to get hold of one in Brisbane yesterday and was told they had not been delivered (to Queen Street Translink kiosk).   

[SurfRail]

As Stillwater said in a post here somewhere, the bus connections are shown and that is a sensible move.

They have done that for years now - and every timetable I have ever seen them on contained mistakes.

[ozbob]

Yes, the Ipswich timetable is missing the 514, not shown, does connect to Booval and Ipswich rail.  Not surprising considering recent route ..

[ozbob]

Presently onboard SMU273 bound for Goodna. Been out and about this morning peak. Onboard new timetable announcements have commenced, and noted same at Central and Roma St stations.  The campaign for the new timetables has begun in earnest.

[ozbob]

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/bulletin/1305694049

Changes to Brisbane bus services

From Monday 6 June, minor timetable changes will be made to some Brisbane bus services.
Routes 215, P216, 220, P221, 227, 230, P231, 232, 235, P236

    Minor timetable changes will be made to improve service reliability and running time, based on current traffic conditions.
    A new 'short trip' route 227 will also be introduced, running from Cannon Hill to the city. This new service will reduce overcrowding on the longer 227 services.

Routes 303, 304, 338, 451, 452, 467, 468

Minor timetable changes will be made to ensure connections are kept with the new train timetables on the Ipswich and Caboolture lines:

    Eagle Junction station: 303, 304.
    Strathpine station: 338.
    Darra station: 451, 452.
    Oxley station: 467, 468.

Routes 310, 315, 320, 326, 327, 328 and 393

    Timetables will be updated to show new train times. No changes will be made to the bus operating times.

Routes 360, 363

    Minor timetable changes will be made to improve service reliability and running time, based on current traffic conditions.
    Routes 360 and 363 have also been coordinated to deliver an even frequency across the morning peak hours.

Route 454

    Minor timetable changes to morning peak services to improve service reliability and running time.
    One additional service will depart Riverhills at 8.05am, arriving at the Queen Street bus station at 9.13am.
    Off-peak and afternoon peak services will not change.

New timetables for these services will be available closer to 6 June from your local train station or bus interchange, online from this website, or by request through our call centre on 13 12 30.
Affected Services

    Route 215
    Route 220
    Route 227
    Route 230
    Route 232
    Route 235
    Route 303
    Route 304
    Route 310
    Route 315
    Route 320
    Route 326
    Route 327
    Route 328
    Route 338
    Route 360
    Route 363
    Route 393
    Route 451
    Route 452
    Route 454
    Route 467
    Route 468
    P216
    P221
    P231
    P236

[Fares_Fair]

Hello Bob,

I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to have a separate Bus timetable post for these
as I would expect more posts on the train timetables after their implementation on June 6.

I'm sure there will be plenty of bus banter also.
Your call of course.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[ozbob]

Yes, you can post it elsewhere, just for completeness here, to show that work is proceeding on the bus stuff.  The rail timetables had to be set first of course and now the final changes to bus timetables are being made.  I am actually generally pleased with the way TransLink is moving on this, there have been some good improvements of late, and they are listening as well.

[justanotheruser]

Yes, you can post it elsewhere, just for completeness here, to show that work is proceeding on the bus stuff.  The rail timetables had to be set first of course and now the final changes to bus timetables are being made.  I am actually generally pleased with the way TransLink is moving on this, there have been some good improvements of late, and they are listening as well.

Although one improvement could be to sort out the rail timetable then the bus timetables and change both on the same date. Especially for areas where bus times are changing to meet trains it seems to make good sense to have them both start at the same time.

[ozbob]

Yes, the bus changes are happening on 6th June to coincide with the new rail timetables.

[somebody]

Yes, you can post it elsewhere, just for completeness here, to show that work is proceeding on the bus stuff.  The rail timetables had to be set first of course and now the final changes to bus timetables are being made.  I am actually generally pleased with the way TransLink is moving on this, there have been some good improvements of late, and they are listening as well.

Agree with that.  The new minister is definitely improving things.

Although one improvement could be to sort out the rail timetable then the bus timetables and change both on the same date. Especially for areas where bus times are changing to meet trains it seems to make good sense to have them both start at the same time.

They are aren't they?

[Arnz]

Bob, or anyone?

Does anybody have the email to TL for feedback (or direct me to the appropriate part of the site for it), I've still got some concerns in regards to weekend connections on 605/615s (as some buses don't connect in the afternoons).  As we all know, the peak connections are being looked at (and hopefully common sense prevails there).

I do "dread" the "reply in 10 working days" auto-message though    

Rgds.

[ozbob]

Just post your concerns here ...  it will be noted ... and forward to TL via their form

[Arnz]

As was discussed earlier, there was a issue of Route 605/615 buses not connecting to trains in the weekday peak hour on the Sunshine Coast Line.  This concern has already been forwarded to TransLink, and that the message received was "there are looking into it".

However I would like to bring forward my concerns in regards to missed weekend connections on the Route 605/615.

Missed weekend connections affecting 605/615.
Southbound Problem: There are no connections to the 1:41pm weekend departure to Brisbane from Landsborough  
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Kawana at 12:35pm and arriving Landsborough at 1:30pm, as well as a 615 leaving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 12:45pm and arriving Landsborough at 1:30pm

Northbound Problem: There are no connections from the 2:00pm arrival at Landsborough (from Brisbane)
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Landsborough at 2:10pm and arriving Kawana at 3:05pm, as well as a 615 leaving Landsborough at 2:10pm and arriving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 2:55pm

Southbound Problem: There are no connections to the 4:41 weekend departure to Caboolture(Saturday)/Brisbane(Sunday) from Landsborough
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Kawana at 3:35pm and arriving Landsborough at 4:30pm, as well as a 615 leaving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 3:45pm and arriving Landsborough at 4:30pm

Northbound Problem: There are no Saturday connections from the 4:54pm arrival at Landsborough (from Caboolture).
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Landsborough at 5:00pm and arriving Kawana at 5:55pm, as well as a 615 leaving Landsborough at 5:00pm and arriving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 5:45pm

A letter outlining those missed connections will be forwarded to TransLink.

[Fares_Fair]

Hello Arnz,

Thank you for highlighting the various issues above.
It benefits many others who don't spend the time working it all out as you have done. 

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[ozbob]

From the Queensland Times click here!

Train overcrowding relief in sight

Train overcrowding relief in sight

Zane Jackson | 27th May 2011

IPSWICH train commuters who head to and from central Brisbane during peak hours will be the winners of a timetable change that comes into effect next month.

Ipswich commuters will notice a change when new timetables come into effect next month, with peak times set to be less crowded.

IPSWICH train commuters who head to and from central Brisbane during peak hours will be the winners of a timetable change that comes into effect next month.

Carriages will be noticeably less crowded on peak hour trips, according to public transport advocacy group Rail Back on Track's spokesman Robert Dow.

Mr Dow said when the changes kicked in on June 6, trains would stop at all stations from Ipswich to Darra and be express between Darra and the CBD, stopping at Indooroopilly and Milton during peak times.

He said the changes would ease congestion on the line, with services on the Richlands line taking commuters to stations between Darra and the CBD.

"It's a pretty good outcome for commuters," Mr Dow said.

"People will notice it will not be as busy."

He said while improvements in frequency between Darra and Northgate were welcome, Ipswich commuters would like to see similar increases closer to our city.

"We'd still like to see improved frequency between Ipswich and Darra off peak. We'd like to see a service every 15 minutes," he said.

There have also been slight changes to Ipswich's bus timetables to help connect with the new train services.

Transport Minister Annastacia Palaszczuk said the timetable had been finalised after consultation which saw 10 information sessions, 300,000 flyers handed out to commuters and 2000 pieces of feedback reviewed.

She said four additional services between Rosewood and Ipswich had also been introduced to the timetable to better connect with school start and finis times.

"This is an exciting and historic change made possible by the recently completed upgrade between Corinda and Darra, the expansion to the new Richlands stations and the 46 new rollingstock sets we have added to the network over the past three years," she said.

[ozbob]

Missed weekend connections affecting 605/615.
Southbound Problem: There are no connections to the 1:41pm weekend departure to Brisbane from Landsborough 
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Kawana at 12:35pm and arriving Landsborough at 1:30pm, as well as a 615 leaving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 12:45pm and arriving Landsborough at 1:30pm

Northbound Problem: There are no connections from the 2:00pm arrival at Landsborough (from Brisbane)
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Landsborough at 2:10pm and arriving Kawana at 3:05pm, as well as a 615 leaving Landsborough at 2:10pm and arriving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 2:55pm

Southbound Problem: There are no connections to the 4:41 weekend departure to Caboolture(Saturday)/Brisbane(Sunday) from Landsborough
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Kawana at 3:35pm and arriving Landsborough at 4:30pm, as well as a 615 leaving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 3:45pm and arriving Landsborough at 4:30pm

Northbound Problem: There are no Saturday connections from the 4:54pm arrival at Landsborough (from Caboolture).
Solution: A 605 Bus leaving Landsborough at 5:00pm and arriving Kawana at 5:55pm, as well as a 615 leaving Landsborough at 5:00pm and arriving Maroochydore (Sunshine Plaza) at 5:45pm

Passed on direct to TL as well by me.

[justanotheruser]

Yes, the bus changes are happening on 6th June to coincide with the new rail timetables.

oops.  Last I heard it was happening later. I have not seen anything about new bus timetables. Although when I asked at the train station for a new train timetable they said we will be handing them out from next monday (30/5). They did give me one all the same but it seems like they don't really want to give out info to early. Perhaps this week they will also be giving out bus timetables.

[ELAINE]

I can  not  work  out  the  new  IpSWICH  timetable 

[Golliwog]

I can  not  work  out  the  new  IpSWICH  timetable 

Which part?