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It will be interesting to see what's planned for the platforms at Roma Street Station, beneath the Brisbane Arena. Hopefully the look and feel won't be like a dark cave.

https://twitter.com/Jeffrey_Addison/status/1626330344772505601

Quote from: Stillwater on February 17, 2023, 07:15:32 AMIt will be interesting to see what's planned for the platforms at Roma Street Station, beneath the Brisbane Arena. Hopefully the look and feel won't be like a dark cave.

Quote from: Stillwater on February 17, 2023, 07:15:32 AMIt will be interesting to see what's planned for the platforms at Roma Street Station, beneath the Brisbane Arena. Hopefully the look and feel won't be like a dark cave.

Could be a good chance to rework some of the track and tunnels to allow for longer platforms, although I doubt that it's going to happen.

Ha ha, even the Olympics is all politics.

The funding arrangements are basically the Feds will stump up for the new facility at Roma St, but will not contribute to the 'Gabba.  The spin from the Federal Sport Minister is that taxpayers of Australia would like it if we contributed to a new legacy facility.  The 'Gabba is too hot for the Feds to support, so the state stumps up the funding for that as there is going to be some political heat (already significant opposition) so the Feds want to be clear of that.

Still the same amount of funding overall but the Feds can say " 'Gabba, see the state about that mate ... "

Brisbanetimes --> State, federal govts strike $7b deal for 2032 Brisbane Olympics

Quote... Albanese confirmed the Queensland government would contribute $2.7 billion towards the redevelopment for the Gabba and the federal government would provide the $2.5 for the Brisbane Arena development. ...

... When asked whether he would put funding towards public transportation projects, Albanese said the Cross River Road Rail project would assist in time for the games.

"The Brisbane Cross River Road Rail project, that is going to be a cracker and will make an enormous difference to the people of Brisbane to get around," he said. ...

I have alerted BT to the ' Cross River Road ' typos ...  Updated.

After having been in and seen RAC Arena in Perth, which is like a space-ship, complete with opening and closing roof, something similar at Roma Street could work well.

(See in this video they build a removable basketball court!)

Quote from: ozbob on February 17, 2023, 09:18:02 AMHa ha, even the Olympics is all politics.

The funding arrangements are basically the Feds will stump up for the new facility at Roma St, but will not contribute to the 'Gabba.  The spin from the Federal Sport Minister is that taxpayers of Australia would like it if we contributed to a new legacy facility.  The 'Gabba is too hot for the Feds to support, so the state stumps up the funding for that as there is going to be some political heat (already significant opposition) so the Feds want to be clear of that.

Still the same amount of funding overall but the Feds can say " 'Gabba, see the state about that mate ... "

It's all politics, but at least the net result is the same. You can't really blame the Feds from wanting to steer clear from the Gabba with the controversy it has already received.

^^ Spot on, Ozbob.

Plus, the state government milked the publicity re the 'Gabba for all that is worth. There was no glory left for the feds.

Now the feds can spruik about the Brisbane Arena as 'their' project, with all the odium about the Gabba being worn by Anna and Co.

It would be interesting to see what money is going to the smaller venues and projects.

Seems nothing more for transport apart from the $1.8 billion City Deal funding.

Quote from: Stillwater on February 17, 2023, 07:15:32 AMIt will be interesting to see what's planned for the platforms at Roma Street Station, beneath the Brisbane Arena. Hopefully the look and feel won't be like a dark cave.

Based on what we've seen so far, the Brisbane Arena won't actually cover the platforms of Roma Street, but will stop just short of them.

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/97201

Gabba redevelopment to deliver affordable housing

17th February 2023

JOINT STATEMENT

Premier and Minister for the Olympic and Paralympic Games
The Honourable Annastacia Palaszczuk

Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure, Local Government and Planning and Minister Assisting the Premier on Olympic and Paralympic Games Infrastructure
The Honourable Dr Steven Miles

Minister for Education, Minister for Industrial Relations and Minister for Racing
The Honourable Grace Grace

. The rebuilt Gabba stadium will anchor a major urban renewal project, delivering thousands of new homes, including social and affordable housing

. The revitalisation of Woolloongabba will include an active travel corridor to South Bank and the CBD

. The Gabba Stadium will be fully demolished and rebuilt to support long-term professional sport and entertainment needs and is confirmed as the home of the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Game

. The new 50,000 seat stadium is estimated to cost $2.7 billion

The Palaszczuk Government has unveiled it's plans for a major revitalisation of Woolloongabba and The Gabba Stadium including an active travel corridor to South Bank and the CBD.

The Gabba Stadium will be fully demolished and rebuilt and will anchor major urban renewal including delivering more housing including social and affordable housing.

The current Woolloongabba Priority Development Area will be expanded to encompass more of Woolloongabba and the Stanley Street precinct to South Bank.

Along with connecting Cross River Rail and the Brisbane Metro, it will deliver a walkable connection to South Bank and Brisbane CBD via Brisbane City Council's new green bridge.

The $2.7 billion Gabba Stadium redevelopment will see the Stadium fully demolished and rebuilt, with improved disability access and better transport connection.

Given the complexity of building on a constrained site, completely rebuilding the Gabba is cheaper than trying to bring it to a truly accessible, modern standard.

The new Gabba will include a pedestrian walkway linking the stadium to the new Cross River Rail station and future Metro station, via a bridge over Main Street, providing greater accessibility for those with all levels of mobility, making it one of the most accessible stadiums in the country.

The current Stadium is nearing the end of its life and the redevelopment will support the long-term professional sport, community and entertainment needs of the city before and after 2032.

East Brisbane State School will not be able to continue at its current location beyond December 2025. Community consultation on several options will now begin, including relocating the school to new facilities at a nearby site.


The announcement follows the funding agreement between the Australian and Queensland Governments that sees a $7 billion-plus infrastructure program and the cost of delivering the Brisbane 2032 Master Plan shared.

Quotes attributable to the Queensland Premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk:

"We know hosting the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to accelerate the infrastructure and housing we need to support a growing Queensland.
"The Gabba has hosted sport for more than a century and is home to cricket and AFL most weeks of the year.

"But it's no secret that Queensland is losing out on major sporting events already - and the tourism, jobs and investment that come with them because The Gabba is not up to scratch.

"It must be upgraded to maintain our competitiveness for international sport and events.

"When it's done, this stadium will shine for Queensland, and so will the area surrounding it.

"Woolloongabba has the potential to be the next bustling precinct, but that can't happen without a coordinated approach.

"It's important we further capitalise on major transport projects already under way like Cross River Rail and Brisbane Metro."

Quotes attributable to Queensland Deputy Premier, Steven Miles:

"The 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games will change Brisbane the way Expo 88 did. It's fitting that we will extend the much-loved South Bank precinct to the Gabba and back to the City via the Gardens.

"Expanding the existing PDA will see a more integrated and coordinated planning approach for the whole suburb.

"The Gabba will be more than just an events stadium. We want it to be activated 24/7 so that living near it will be exciting and fun.

"It will be the main interchange between Cross River Rail and Brisbane Metro. You'll be able to get around without a car and walk or scooter to the City or South Bank.

"The redevelopment will anchor major urban renewal and deliver more affordable housing, dining and retail.

"The current Gabba is an international icon, but a tired one.

"In some circumstances people in wheelchairs can only access their allocated seats using the goods lift.

"There are no women's change rooms. Elite women athletes have less space to prepare for games and are stuck using change rooms that include urinals because they were built only for male athletes.

"It's unacceptable. Queensland athletes and fans deserve a modern, accessible, safe, fit-for-purpose major stadium that will attract and host world-class national and international sporting and entertainment events.

"And Queenslanders deserve a Games legacy that will serve them for decades to come."

Quotes attributable to Education Minister Grace Grace:

"I always said we would carry out consultation with the school community as soon as we knew more about the impact of the Gabba redevelopment on the school.

"The plans announced today make it clear that the school cannot remain at its current location beyond December 2025, so that consultation will now begin.

"Options include relocating the school to new facilities at the underutilised 11-hectare Coorparoo Secondary College site, which is a short distance away.

"This is in contrast with the current 1.5-hectare EBSS site which is very constrained, bordered by three major roads, has limited access to green space, and no capacity to expand.

"In addition to the three meetings I've already had with the P&C previously, I met with the principal and senior leadership team today and I'm organising to meet with the school again next week.

"I am absolutely committed to ensuring every single member of the school community gets to have their say about the future of East Brisbane State School."

Artist impressions are available here.

Additional Facts:

The Gabba redevelopment

. Four options were considered which included variations of full demolition and rebuild, refurbishment of the existing stadium, and partial demolition and refurbishment.
. Given the complexity of building on a constrained site, completely rebuilding the Gabba is cheaper than trying to bring it to a truly accessible, modern standard
. This option provides the best value for money. It also achieves the Government's aims including being a catalyst for neighbourhood renewal and investment, ability to attract and host world-class events, enabling operational optimisation to support economic resilience, and importantly, enhancing user experience.
. This option also makes The Gabba fully compliant with the requirements of hosting Brisbane 2032 events.
. The Gabba redevelopment will mean better spectator viewing, more seats, deliver better accessibility, improved and future-proofed digital connectivity, sport and spectator facilities for all genders, purpose-designed access to new transport infrastructure, and increased comfort for spectators and athletes, including more roof coverage to protect sports fans from the elements.

. The redevelopment includes:
o Changeroom facilities for female athletes
o Larger entry concourses for general admission
o Lifts and escalators
o Range of dining options and member spaces, including kitchens and food and beverage outlets and a general store
o Merchandise stores
o Media facilities
o Team facilities with direct access to pitches and practice wickets
o Construction contingency
o Targeted 6-star green star rating

. The heritage buildings within the East Brisbane State School will be refurbished and repurposed and integrated into the operations of the Gabba Stadium.
. With the preferred redevelopment option confirmed, the Queensland Government will continue with finalising the Project Validation Report.
. A competitive tender process with the market is expected to commence in the second half of 2023 at which point a final design process for the Gabba will get underway.
. Construction is likely to take four years from 2026 and be ready for use by 2030.

Woolloongabba PDA

. The current Woolloongabba Cross River Rail Priority Development Area (PDA) will be expanded to encompass more of Woolloongabba and the Stanley Street precinct to South Bank,
. A PDA is a proven planning pathway for resolving complex planning and development matters that unlock value for the surrounding communities.
. Importantly, the process will involve community consultation in preparation of a development scheme for the expanded PDA.
. There is a process to be followed under the Economic Development Act which the department has commenced, including the preparation of an interim land use plan and revised PDA boundary.

East Brisbane State School

. Online submissions are now open here and the dates of community meetings will be announced shortly.
. The Department of Education will be consulting on three options:
o Relocating EBSS to new facilities at the Coorparoo Secondary College site
o Merging EBSS with Coorparoo Secondary College to become a P-12 school
o Students at EBSS to enrol at other local schools, with additional infrastructure built at those schools if needed
. Initial consultation will be open until the end of Term 1 (March 31) and there will be further consultation throughout as the project progresses.

Brisbanetimes --> State, federal govts strike $7b deal for 2032 Brisbane Olympics

Quote... Local Greens MP Amy MacMahon said the decision went against the community's wishes, while Gabba councillor Jonathan Sriranganathan, also a Greens member, foreshadowed protests.

The current Woolloongabba Priority Development Area will be expanded to encompass more of Woolloongabba and the Stanley Street precinct to South Bank.

Sixteen new or upgraded venues, including the Sunshine Coast stadium and the Brisbane Aquatic Centre, would receive almost $1.87 billion in co-funding on a 50/50 basis between the two levels of government. ...

OK, lots to say about this:

Quote from: Stillwater on February 17, 2023, 07:15:32 AMIt will be interesting to see what's planned for the platforms at Roma Street Station, beneath the Brisbane Arena. Hopefully the look and feel won't be like a dark cave.

Quote from: nathandavid88 on February 17, 2023, 12:33:20 PMBased on what we've seen so far, the Brisbane Arena won't actually cover the platforms of Roma Street, but will stop just short of them.

More recent insider talk has been hinting that the Arena actually won't be directly above the station, nor will it be to the East. Someone in planning finally took note and realised that building an arena above an active rail line is actually kinda tricky (no sh%t). So there's talks of actually moving the Brisbane police HQ (possibly to the Mount Gravatt Griffith site, from what I've heard), and dumping the arena there.
See:  https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/rethink-on-roma-street-games-venue-amid-congestion-concerns-20220720-p5b37d.html

Quote from: ozbob on February 17, 2023, 09:18:02 AMHa ha, even the Olympics is all politics.

The funding arrangements are basically the Feds will stump up for the new facility at Roma St, but will not contribute to the 'Gabba.  The spin from the Federal Sport Minister is that taxpayers of Australia would like it if we contributed to a new legacy facility.  The 'Gabba is too hot for the Feds to support, so the state stumps up the funding for that as there is going to be some political heat (already significant opposition) so the Feds want to be clear of that.

Still the same amount of funding overall but the Feds can say " 'Gabba, see the state about that mate ... "

Quote from: Stillwater on February 17, 2023, 11:33:29 AM^^ Spot on, Ozbob.

Plus, the state government milked the publicity re the 'Gabba for all that is worth. There was no glory left for the feds.

Now the feds can spruik about the Brisbane Arena as 'their' project, with all the odium about the Gabba being worn by Anna and Co.

It would be interesting to see what money is going to the smaller venues and projects.

Seems nothing more for transport apart from the $1.8 billion City Deal funding.

100% agree that that's exactly what's going on here. That much was obvious in the announcement. Feds know that the Gabba project is massively controversial and unnecessarily expensive. The way they've skewed the funding they can contribute almost 50% to the overall project without touching the Gabba at all, shifting the blame to state gov (which is where it is deserved to be).

QuoteEast Brisbane State School will not be able to continue at its current location beyond December 2025. Community consultation on several options will now begin, including relocating the school to new facilities at a nearby site.

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Options include relocating the school to new facilities at the underutilised 11-hectare Coorparoo Secondary College site, which is a short distance away

I'm glad they've finally actually committed to this. It's a shame that the school can't stay, but what was even worse was the lack of transparency and keeping everyone in the dark.

So I was interested to read that enrolment numbers at Coorparoo Secondary College are apparently quite low (around 400 based on 2019 estimates, if I'm reading correctly. See: https://coorparoosecondarycollege.eq.edu.au/supportandresources/formsanddocuments/annualreports/annual-report-2019.pdf Page 2)
If that's how low their enrolment numbers are then the site absolutely is underutilised. It's quite a large block of land. So converting the school to a P-12 and giving them a few new classrooms to support the approx 300 students from EBSS actually makes a lot of economic sense (See: https://education.qld.gov.au/parents-and-carers/enrolment/management-plans/east-brisbane-state-school#:~:text=East%20Brisbane%20State%20School%20has,enrolment%20capacity%20of%20309%20students.)

However I imagine there will be significant community backlash regardless, mainly in regards to the additional travel distance/time for parents who are relying on the location of EBSS.

Quote from: #Metro on February 17, 2023, 09:45:18 AMAfter having been in and seen RAC Arena in Perth, which is like a space-ship, complete with opening and closing roof, something similar at Roma Street could work well.

(See in this video they build a removable basketball court!)

The removable roof is good, but I doubt that Brisbane Live would have this feature.

Also @Metro, I've seen a few of your posts praising arenas overseas/interstate for these "futuristic" or "modern" features like removable basketball courts, etc. I think you're underestimating the way current arenas work, as a lot of these things aren't that impressive or revolutionary.

So Brisbane Live is intended purely as a replacement venue for Brisbane Entertainment Centre at Boondall. From a technical standpoint, as an arena, Boondall is mostly fine. Plenty of adequate rigging points for large productions, good sized loading dock, easy access to the highway for trucks, included drapes for running the venue in "Intimate Mode", etc. By default, BEC, as with most arenas, is an empty concrete box. No stage, no PA, nothing.

BEC has done the removable basketball court thing since the 80s. The first Bullets game was playing there in 1986. See:


It's also perfectly capable of massive modern productions. Here's a shot from Billie Eilish's show there in 2022
See:

This is pretty common in arenas around the world. Here's a timelapse of a small arena doing this in Atlanta:

The plan for Brisbane Live at the Olympics is to hold the swimming, with a removable pool. Also not a revolutionary concept, Boondall is perfectly capable of that. They're just choosing not to (more on that later).
Rod Laver arena in Melbourne did this all the way back in 2007 for the FINA championships. See:
https://www.austadiums.com/news/304/rod-laver-pool-named-after-oneill#:~:text=The%20temporary%20Olympic-sized%20swimming,from%20its%20normal%20capacity%20of

So if BEC is so adequate, why is Brisbane Live being proposed?

Two reasons: Location/connectivity, and size
See: https://www.dtis.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/1538745/stadiumtaskforcereport.pdf Pages 32 and 122

Location/Connectivity
Punters hate Boondall.

• You basically have to drive because there isn't enough service on the Shorncliffe line at like 11pm at night to connect people to where they want to go (most punters also hate the lack of single-seat journeys as unlike Suncorp/Gabba, Translink does not run additional services to Boondall on event days, which I hate).
• Because you have to drive, and there's only two roads in and out, getting out of there at the end of the event SUCKS because the traffic is absolutely backed up
• Because it's just in the middle of a swamp, there's no bars/restaurants/other nightlife around, so it's hard to make a social event of going to a gig there. Nowhere to get food beforehand (except the inhouse catering which is eye-wateringly expensive, albeit expected for that kind of thing), and nowhere to grab a drink/party afterwards.

Brisbane Live, on the other hand, would be located above a major transport hub, and in the middle of the city, near where all the nightlife is! So lots of benefits there. Having a more central location for a massive Olympic flagship event like Swimming is also pretty important (note: the pool at Sleeman doesn't meet olympic standards for Swimming, but it does for Water Polo (which will be held at Sleeman for 2032 btw).

It's also important to note that BEC is still on the cards to be used for the 2032 Olympics. It's planned to host European handball. See: https://www.austadiums.com/news/921/brisbane-2032-olympic-games-venues-revealed

Size
As far as arenas go, BEC is kinda small, even by Australian standards.
BEC capacity in full standard concert mode: 13,500
Rod Laver arena record capacity for concert: 16,100
QUDOS Bank Arena capacity for concerts (seated): 21,000
RAC Arena concert capacity: 15,000

SQ's report highlighted the small size of the venue as a shortcoming, limiting it's potential for use going forward.

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So anyway, my point is that Brisbane Live is a good idea, not because BEC itself is outdated, but because of the location and size.

Quote from: Stillwater on February 17, 2023, 07:15:32 AMIt will be interesting to see what's planned for the platforms at Roma Street Station, beneath the Brisbane Arena. Hopefully the look and feel won't be like a dark cave.

At the CRR catch up meeting I asked about just that in regards to passenger station capacity and movements. At the moment there is only one escalator per platform which is not enough. A question is still on notice about installing additional escalators for full time up and down operations. Extra escalators will improve transfer times as well as reduce station capacity constraints.

Couriermail---> Des Houghton: Push for Olympic pool to be built on Mt Coot-tha

QuoteProminent architect Richard Groves wants to see the 2032 Brisbane Olympic Games swimming pool built on top of Mt Coot-tha.

And he wants to see "legacy projects" built to enhance Brisbane's subtropical lifestyle long after the Olympics are over

LOOK everyone STOP the whinging.....   

Just don't think and accept.....it's ALL World Class in Quuuueeennnssslllaaannddddd.....there's no trains to....[hold breath]....

Toowoomba
Sunshine Coast
Coolangatta [and that only involves a 20km job...think about that!!!!]
Beaudesert
CRR - part two...wasn't there suppose to be another underground line???
Brisbane Subway/[real] Metro [but some bloke who we call the..."Transport Minister"  he doesn't like the idea of.....providing transport!]
NW Transport Corridor line - not one metre will be a reality come 2032...not ONE!!!!
More...
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I just don't know why you people feel so down about things....today, you were told, you're spending BILLIONS on a sports stadium [you already, in real terms have them...in fact, a number of them] and an entertainment venue [again, in real terms you already have them...in fact, a number of them]. 

So, the TRUTH is, in real terms, you're getting nothing really new only sexier versions of what you already have and NONE of it really means much, if anything, to most people on a day-by-day basis! Who the hell wants high-quality rail corridors, when you can have something you don't REALLY need!

  Quueeennssslllaaannnndddd switch your brain off at the border!

    

Quote from: verbatim9 on February 17, 2023, 16:49:55 PMCouriermail---> Des Houghton: Push for Olympic pool to be built on Mt Coot-tha

QuoteProminent architect Richard Groves wants to see the 2032 Brisbane Olympic Games swimming pool built on top of Mt Coot-tha.

And he wants to see "legacy projects" built to enhance Brisbane's subtropical lifestyle long after the Olympics are over

I don't know who Richard Groves is, but that is an astronomically stupid take

^ very very stupid ...   

Couriermail --> Brisbane 2032 Games infrastructure deal to transform inner city $

QuotePedestrian walkways snaking across the city, thousands of new homes and a state-of-the-art Gabba stadium built from the ground up have been revealed as key legacies of the 2032 Brisbane Olympic and Paralympic Games.

The new 50,000-seat stadium will become the anchor point for a revitalised precinct throughout the inner city, including the expansion of Woolloongabba's "priority development area" and active travel corridors linking with South Bank, the CBD and beyond. ...

Olympic and Paralympic Games Infrastructure

Brisbanetimes --> It's little wonder the feds ran from a Gabba commitment

QuoteWith the cost of the Gabba rebuild increasing 170 per cent before a single shovel was taken out of storage, it is little wonder the federal government sprinted Usain Bolt-style from any funding commitments. ...

Brisbanetimes --> Woolloongabba to become city's second CBD under new stadium deal

QuoteThe future design of the Gabba will be finalised and put to tender this year, the Queensland government confirmed on Friday, paving the way for the stadium to become the focal point of Brisbane's next CBD.

If all goes to plan, by 2030 Woolloongabba will have an underground rail station, Metro bus station, new retail hub and more unit towers, servicing a state-of-the-art stadium seating 50,000 people. ...

Brisbanetimes --> Games infrastructure bill now $3 billion more than first estimates

QuoteA costing sheet sent to the Commonwealth in 2021 reveals the bill for Queensland's Olympic and Paralympic Games venues has blown out by $3 billion since the Palaszczuk government's first estimates.

The document, sent to the then Morrison government shortly after Brisbane secured the 2032 bid, showed Queensland believed all "non-transport infrastructure" could be built or upgraded for little more than $4 billion. The state was seeking to secure a 50-50 split. ...

So, Anthony Albanese's $3.5 billion commitment to the Games costs is $1.5 billion more than what Scott Morrison promised.

The PM went out of his way at the joint press conference announcing the federal-state funding deal that the Commonwealth commitment is for a finite amount ($3.5 billion), NOT a 50/50 split of whatever the true cost will be.

The risk for the Queensland Government is if it has not got its cost estimates correct    the difference is worn by state taxpayers. No problems there, eh.

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1626773714997252096

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/97208

Gabba revitalisation to change the city

Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure, Local Government and Planning and Minister Assisting the Premier on Olympic and Paralympic Games Infrastructure
The Honourable Dr Steven Miles

18th February 2023

Woolloongabba Priority Development Area will be expanded to deliver more housing, shopping and dining precincts and public space

The revitalisation of Woolloongabba will include an active travel corridor to South Bank and the CBD

The rebuilt Gabba stadium will anchor the major urban renewal project, connecting Cross River Rail and the Brisbane Metro

A new artist impression of the Gabba Stadium and map of the proposed PDA and how it will connect with Brisbane's iconic locations are available here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/vdap685o1weoxi84hyfau/h?dl=0&rlkey=g326q9w8mnvvwhg6mkm67nrfs

The Palaszczuk Government has today unveiled more of its plans for a major revitalisation of Woolloongabba.

The Woolloongabba Priority Development Area (PDA) will be expanded to encompass more of Woolloongabba and the Stanley Street precinct to South Bank.

The expanded PDA will see the redeveloped Gabba Stadium, Cross River Rail and the Brisbane Metro connected to South Bank and Brisbane CBD via a walkable, active travel corridor to South Bank and Brisbane City Council's new green bridge.

Expanding the existing PDA will see a more integrated and coordinated planning approach for the whole suburb and allow for resolving complex planning and development matters that unlock value for the surrounding communities.

Importantly, the process will involve community consultation in preparation of a development scheme for the expanded PDA.

There is a process to be followed under the Economic Development Act including the preparation of an interim land use plan and revised PDA boundary.

Yesterday's announcement on the Gabba redevelopment can be found here:  https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/97201

Quotes attributable to the Deputy Premier:

"The 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games will change Brisbane the way Expo 88 did.

"We will extend the much-loved South Bank precinct to the Gabba Stadium and back to the City via the Gardens.

"The Gabba will be more than just an events stadium. We want it to be activated 24/7 so that living near it will be exciting and fun.

"It will be the main interchange between Cross River Rail and Brisbane Metro. You'll be able to get around without a car and walk or scooter to the City or South Bank.

"The redevelopment will anchor major urban renewal and deliver more affordable housing, dining and retail."

ENDS

Artist impressions and the proposed PDA







 

The second diagram may have revealed where the new inline Busway station will be. However, it could also of course be complete rubbish from the marketing team who are just guessing where it will be, although the fact that they even put in squares for where the entrances would be either side of the Stanley Street makes it seem like it may be the actual plan. Time will tell I suppose.

Sent to all outlets:

Vancouver's Olympic Advice - Get Moving Now

18 February 2023

The Council of Mayors SEQ recently spent 4 days in Vancouver, Canada. They have returned to Brisbane briefed with Metro Vancouver's 10-year transport priorities. Vancouver plans to double rapid bus services, add train lines and bikeways over a decade. It's a blueprint for how Brisbane can prepare for the 2032 Olympics.

Vancouver's plans are also an urgent wake up call for both Brisbane City Council (BCC). the Council of Mayors SEQ, and the Queensland Government. Brisbane's active and public transport share of trips is very low by global standards. Our current plans for both active and public transport are also well behind cities like Vancouver.

RAIL Back On Track's 'Target 400' campaign aims to double public transport use by 2032 but even then SEQ would still be way behind the pack (Target 400 https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?board=96.0).

If Brisbane is to emulate Vancouver's success, major changes are needed to our region's transport and city plans. Unlike BCC's 'Metro' which is actually bus rapid transit, SkyTrain is a genuine high-capacity rail-based driverless metro capable of moving around 18,000 people per hour per direction (pphpd). BCC's bus-based 'metro' can only move around 6,000 pphpd maximum on a line which leaves little room for the additional Brisbane 'Metro' routes to the Brisbane Airport and/or Cleveland and which is why BUZ and most conventional bus routes cannot be turned into feeder services or cross-city routes and instead have to run in between Metro services.

Busways have been very successful in Brisbane but buses have capacity limits. Brisbane Metro buses ultimately do not change this reality. It is acknowledged that with the Adelaide Street bus tunnel and improvements at the Cultural Centre and Victoria Bridge, there will be a bit less bus congestion and improved reliability, but as far as capacity goes, little change.

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) can play a major role on arterial roads, but our existing busways themselves need to be converted into a higher-capacity driverless technology like Vancouver's SkyTrain.

Off the busways, Translink and Brisbane City Council urgently need to remove high levels of bus route duplication and slow, indirect bus routing. We need more BUZ routes on more of Brisbane's arterial roads with Light Rail-like stations and dedicated lanes.

Finally, BCC needs to follow Vancouver's lead in investing in on-road separated bike lanes, "living streets" and updating City Plans to create 15-minute neighbourhoods where every suburb is transit oriented. The SEQ Council of Mayors visit to Vancouver needs to result in major policy changes before the 2032 Olympics. Our low active and public transport levels are proof that we are a long long way off the mark.


References:

SEQ Council of Mayors North America Trip Itinerary
https://www.noosa.qld.gov.au/downloads/file/4088/2023-02-01-special-meeting-agenda

Target 400 Campaign https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?board=96.0

Brisbane Metro theoretical capacity calculation:
30 buses per hour is a bus every 2 minutes.
Therefore- 150 pax in normal mode x 30 buses/hr = 4500 pphpd
170 pax in event mode x 30 buses/hr = 5100 pphpd

TransLink Vancouver Skytrain https://www.translink.ca/about-us/about-translink/operating-companies/british-columbia-rapid-transit-company#quick-facts

Ottawa Conversion of Busway to Light Rail https://www.rtands.com/track-construction/ottawa-converts-bus-rapid-transit-into-light-rail-line/

Brisbane Times: SEQ Mayors Get Canadian Blueprint for Olympics https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/seq-mayors-get-canadian-blueprint-for-olympic-transport-20230213-p5ck34.html

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Quote from: RowBro on February 18, 2023, 13:21:56 PMThe second diagram may have revealed where the new inline Busway station will be. However, it could also of course be complete rubbish from the marketing team who are just guessing where it will be, although the fact that they even put in squares for where the entrances would be either side of the Stanley Street makes it seem like it may be the actual plan. Time will tell I suppose.

   I think you are on the money RowBro!

Couriermail --> Lord Mayor wants Brisbane 2032 Games to be car free $

QuoteAdrian Schrinner has declared the 2032 Brisbane Olympic and Paralympic Games needs to be car free – and says the state's South East needs to avoid the traffic nightmares of 2028 Games' host Los Angeles.

In a wide-ranging interview, the Brisbane Lord Mayor has also backed cricket as a possible addition to the sporting line up at the 2032 Games in a bid to lure hundreds of millions of viewers from India.

He has also offered his support for water taxis in the Brisbane River – which would ferry passengers between the cruise ship terminal at Pinkenba to key destinations in the CBD. ...

^ LM Schrinner is starting to talk the talk, but will he and colleagues actually walk the talk?

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/brisbane-olympics-and-paralympics-2032/lord-mayor-wants-brisbane-2032-games-to-be-car-free/news-story/690069168a45d20f65996f621a88354b

Quote... in the Metro Vancouver area, the region leveraged the 2010 Winter Olympics to boost its public and active transport usage to more than 50 per cent.

"When you consider that about half of the year it's cold, and raining, and miserable in Vancouver, that's actually a pretty amazing outcome," Mr Schrinner said.

"Metro Vancouver ... has given us some inspiration on some of the opportunities to do things better and to learn from their experience." ...

https://twitter.com/LiverisAndrew/status/1626757403688726529

Quote from: ozbob on February 19, 2023, 00:25:50 AM^ LM Schrinner is starting to talk the talk, but will he and colleagues actually walk the talk?

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/brisbane-olympics-and-paralympics-2032/lord-mayor-wants-brisbane-2032-games-to-be-car-free/news-story/690069168a45d20f65996f621a88354b

Quote... in the Metro Vancouver area, the region leveraged the 2010 Winter Olympics to boost its public and active transport usage to more than 50 per cent.

"When you consider that about half of the year it's cold, and raining, and miserable in Vancouver, that's actually a pretty amazing outcome," Mr Schrinner said.

"Metro Vancouver ... has given us some inspiration on some of the opportunities to do things better and to learn from their experience." ...

Let's see if he can do the first and most important step, a city wide bus review. It needs to simplify the network for punters, reduce duplicate running, increase forcef transfers to train stations, increase service along every major road, and introduce cross town routes along every major road. If that happens then there's a chance that he could be on the money.

They are not doing city wide bus reform this term, just some south side buses and tweaks to north side buses. They will overhaul eastern services when the Gabba station comes online.

This was established when we met with BCC and Translink mid last year.

Oh a city wide bus reform? You mean improvements to areas outside of BCC, right? 

Quote from: verbatim9 on February 19, 2023, 10:07:07 AMThey are not doing city wide bus reform this term, just some south side buses and tweaks to north side buses. They will overhaul eastern services when the Gabba station comes online.

This was established when we met with BCC and Translink mid last year.

I know that. I'm merely saying that they need to do it before the Olympics in 2032.

Quote from: aldonius on February 19, 2023, 10:26:26 AMOh a city wide bus reform? You mean improvements to areas outside of BCC, right? 

Ideally yes, but considering this is only the Lord Mayor's word's that's not a given.

Don't bank on BCC being run by the LNP after the 2024 elections.  The trends aren't exactly on their side.