RAIL - Back On Track Forum

The cluster-fuk that is PT in Queensland will continue until a proper Public Transport Authority is set up with the will and the way to progress things properly.

It is beyond farce the situation with TMR, BCC and the State.

Olympic City?  Fuk, they would be flat out organising a back yard game of cricket ...

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The cluster-fuk that is PT in Queensland will continue until a proper Public Transport Authority is set up with the will and the way to progress things properly.

It is beyond farce the situation with TMR, BCC and the State.

I think we can get co-ordination and funding through inserting new purposes into the Federal Urban Congestion Fund which currently is being used to expand car parks.

No thanks! The ' pork 'n' rort ' has been diabolical !

Clear what needs to occur.

Sounds like multiple LXs will be removed Kuraby-Beenleight as part of the Logan/GC "Faster" (or as I like to call it, less slow) Rail Project.

It's something, I guess. Disappointing that it doesn't include Coopers Plains or Fruitgrove, though.

Quote from: achiruel on March 04, 2022, 03:56:53 AM
Sounds like multiple LXs will be removed Kuraby-Beenleight as part of the Logan/GC "Faster" (or as I like to call it, less slow) Rail Project.

It's something, I guess. Disappointing that it doesn't include Coopers Plains or Fruitgrove, though.

" less slow "  like it ...

Yes, Kuraby, Woodridge, Bethania, Holmview and Beenleigh LXs removed. 

LSR = Less Slow Rail = Low Speed Rail

It's making wonder; with there only being triple north of Kuraby, will Beenleigh & Gold Coast trains share tracks and therefore run Beenleigh trains run express (i.e. following GC stopping patterns)?

So we could end up with a 4 tiers of service on the southern lines:
GC express Beenleigh to Park Rd (CRR) stopping Loganlea/(Kuraby?)/Altandi
Beenleigh all stops to Kuraby then express to Park Rd (CRR) stopping Altandi
Kuraby all stops
Coopers Plains all stops (if 15-minute frequency can't be extended to Kuraby for some reason).

Is this what's likely to happen post-CRR/Logan&GC upgrades?

I think it will be the same as it is now to be realistic given rollingstock numbers and planned phase out of SMU/EMUs. Any time gained from the works on Gold Coast services will be replaced with infill stations with any marketing in time savings coming based on walking to somewhere from Albert Street vs Central.

Haven't had a chance to properly look but just got an new project notification email from TMR.

https://www.yoursay-projects.tmr.qld.gov.au/boundary-road-cooper-plains-level-rail-crossing

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Both options cut the suburb in half!! Roads roads roads and more roads!!

Quote from: pionsix on March 07, 2022, 20:58:23 PM
Haven't had a chance to properly look but just got an new project notification email from TMR.

https://www.yoursay-projects.tmr.qld.gov.au/boundary-road-cooper-plains-level-rail-crossing

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Received as well. At last!

Boundary Road (Coopers Plains) rail level crossing

Have your say on 2 shortlisted options

>> https://www.yoursay-projects.tmr.qld.gov.au/boundary-road-cooper-plains-level-rail-crossing

Overview

The Boundary Road (Coopers Plains) rail level crossing is crossed by 3 existing train tracks servicing the Beenleigh and Gold Coast rail lines. The crossing is considered one of South East Queensland's most congested crossings and experiences significant delays to traffic throughout the day, especially during the morning and afternoon peak periods.

TMR undertook a planning study, including community consultation, in 2019 to investigate options to reduce congestion and address safety concerns with the at-grade level crossing on Boundary Road, near the Coopers Plains station.

Community feedback has been taken into consideration during planning and 2 options have been developed.

Option 1



Option 2



Both designs make provision for existing 3 rail lines to be upgraded to 4 in the future.

Quote from: Jonno on March 07, 2022, 21:23:30 PM
Both options cut the suburb in half!! Roads roads roads and more roads!!

Probably not a lot anyone could do about that. You likely couldn't sink the road here due to flooding concerns - the area west of the rail line here is largely flood prone.

Brisbanetimes --> Olympics push plan for $400 million Brisbane rail overpass $

QuoteAfter 25 years of inter-government negotiations, one of Brisbane's biggest bottlenecks looks set to be cleared in time for the city to host the 2032 Olympic Games.

Under two options revealed by the federal and Queensland governments, Boundary Road at Coopers Plains will be lifted over the rail line just south of the train station. ...

Seriously if our Govts think that addressing climate change is just about coal mines, coal-powered power stations and EV's (not convinced the Govt nor opposition in QLD even think that) then we are not ready for the changes we need to make to our cities and transport networks..and we are also missing the significant benefits it will bring well beyond climate change! https://earth.org/15-minute-city-model/?fbclid=IwAR34fbR1bbUJlcobQaxmoYXD64McxuQjMs3oN5uYXN4SADe4DU9ioTE4QAY

Quote from: Jonno on March 09, 2022, 07:57:51 AM
Seriously if our Govts think that addressing climate change is just about coal mines, coal-powered power stations and EV's (not convinced the Govt nor opposition in QLD even think that) then we are not ready for the changes we need to make to our cities and transport networks..and we are also missing the significant benefits it will bring well beyond climate change! https://earth.org/15-minute-city-model/?fbclid=IwAR34fbR1bbUJlcobQaxmoYXD64McxuQjMs3oN5uYXN4SADe4DU9ioTE4QAY

In a flood people wouldn't be able to access an elevated station anyway if flooded below.

Quote from: ozbob on March 09, 2022, 00:41:12 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Olympics push plan for $400 million Brisbane rail overpass $

QuoteAfter 25 years of inter-government negotiations, one of Brisbane's biggest bottlenecks looks set to be cleared in time for the city to host the 2032 Olympic Games.

Under two options revealed by the federal and Queensland governments, Boundary Road at Coopers Plains will be lifted over the rail line just south of the train station. ...

Welcome move. Decades overdue...the way we're headed, this will be about the extent of the "rail infrastructure" SEQld will get out of the world's most overrated sports carnival!   

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1505672525728133127.html

Terri Butler MP @terrimbutler

Today's "city deal" funding announcements for projects in my electorate, such as the new Gabba bus station & Kangaroo point foot/bike bridge are welcome, but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

The Morrison-Joyce government has consistently shown they are all announcement, no delivery.

This tendency has been evident with other "city deal" announcements, in other states, made before the last federal election.

Today's announcements also represent a missed opportunity to deal with a significant road and rail infrastructure problem in the inner south-eastern suburbs.

I am disappointed that today's announcements are yet another missed opportunity for the Morrison-Joyce government to commit funding for removing the open level crossing at Coorparoo station.

Back in April 2019 their government committed $85 million towards level crossing removal at Lindum station in Ross Vasta's electorate of Bonner.

But the Morrison-Joyce government has never announced funding to remove the Coorparoo level crossing in my electorate of Griffith. And that remains true after today's city deal announcement.

The Coorparoo level crossing is one of Brisbane's worst for near misses. In mid-2021 the Courier Mail reported there had been 61 near misses at the crossing in the past decade.

The RACQ has identified level crossings at Coopers Plains, Alderley, Coorparoo, Runcorn, Lindum, Carseldine and Wacol as priority locations for removal.

And aside from the serious safety concerns, the Coorparoo Level Crossing is one of the Southside's worst traffic snarls.

The federal government should have taken the opportunity to put serious money on the table in this set of "city deal" announcements for the removal of the Coorparoo Level Crossing.

https://twitter.com/SEQMayors/status/1510810244493963267

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1510859473312972800

Quote from: ozbob on August 23, 2021, 12:10:51 PM

Quote from: ozbob on March 07, 2021, 04:39:39 AMLX suggested for priority removal:

Boundary Road, Coopers Plains (business case underway)
Cavendish Road, Coorparoo
Beams Road, Carseldine (business case underway)
South Pine Road, Alderley
Wacol Station Road, Wacol
Kianawah Rd / Lindum Rd, Hemmant (precinct upgrade which does not include removal of LX)
Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove,
Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury
Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park,
Stones Rd in Sunnybank

My thoughts -

Boundary Road, Coopers Plains (business case underway) - should be skyrail will likely be ugly suburb splitting ramp.
Cavendish Road, Coorparoo - Skyrail - this is a no brainer as area floods and stations either side of Coorparoo St are at the same height.
Beams Road, Carseldine (business case underway) - should be skyrail will likely be ugly suburb splitting ramp.
South Pine Road, Alderley - if road over how do you not have a huge ramp dividing the commerical centre? Never stopped TMR has it.
Wacol Station Road, Wacol - road over rail
Kianawah Rd / Lindum Rd, Hemmant (precinct upgrade which does not include removal of LX) - road over rail west of current location
Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove, - rail under
Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury - just get rid of it - should have been done when the overpass was done.
Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park - this whole section needs a re-think.
Stones Rd in Sunnybank - rail line here also needs a re-think and tunneling to straighten the line.

https://twitter.com/cbdbug/status/1510823622377881600

Brisbanetimes --> 'Poorly planned': Labor to rethink $14b Inland Rail project if elected

Quote... King made the comments after committing $133 million towards the cost of removing the Coopers Plains level crossing, in Labor MP Graham Perrett's Moreton electorate, on the Beenleigh-Gold Coast line.

The Morrison government has also promised to fund the overpass and improve local road and rail journeys.

King announced Labor would also allocate $100 million to help replace the Coorparoo level crossing on Cavendish Road, which is in Labor MP Terri Butler's Griffith electorate.

Butler said there had been 61 near misses in the past decade at the Cavendish Road crossing alone.

"It is really important that we have a federal government contribution to these level-crossing projects to get them done," she said. ...

https://twitter.com/levelcrossings/status/1525008113128116225

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1525009367665614848

I was interviewed by an ABC video journalist for around an hour on the sad situation with level crossings removal non-progress in SEQ on the 26th May 2022.

I am hopeful this will in part support a major story in the near future, and perhaps help get something happening!

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Level crossing removal stagnates in Queensland

1st June 2022

The removal of level crossings has stagnated in SEQ. The last level crossings removed were done in 2014.  Since then there has been none.  Contrast this to Victoria, which in that time has removed 64 level crossings and is working towards removing a total of 85 by 2025 (1).
There are a lot of benefits when level crossings are removed. It is not only motorists that benefit. Daniel Bowen (PTUA Victoria) has done an informative blog on this. ' Benefits to non-motorists from level crossing removals https://www.danielbowen.com/2015/12/15/grade-separation-benefits/ '

There are around 52 level crossings on the Queensland Rail Citytrain Network south of Caboolture.  Unless there is a commitment from both sides of the political fence to step up the rate of level crossing elimination (grade separation) there will be increasing impacts on the road transport network and the reliability and safety of rail itself. Transport in SEQ is facing terminal gridlock, and the Olympics in 2032 will be shambolic.

We suggest that from this point on, there needs to be a firm commitment to eliminate at least four open level crossings per financial year in SEQ.  The Victorian Government has progressed the removal of level crossings at a rate not seen before.  They have removed 64 level crossings (1) since 2015 and plan to remove a total of 85 by 2025!  Contrast this to Queensland which has not removed any.

We suggest the Queensland Government set up an authority similar to the Level Crossing Removal Project in Victoria.  They should also liaise with Victoria on the lessons they have gained from their recent experiences with level crossing elimination. The default approach for level crossing removal in Queensland has been road over rail.  There are other ways of removing level crossings, for example elevated rail (rail over road), so called ' Sky Rail ' which Melbourne has implemented with great results. We need more focus and sophistication to the task in Queensland.

We agree with Brisbane City Council that the failure to not grade separate rail and road at Lindum is not satisfactory (2).

It is also proposed that there will be increased train service frequencies post Cross River Rail.  For example, 5 minute services on the Gold Coast line during peaks.  The impact of this frequency on level crossings will be profound. When one considers that the 4 most dangerous level crossings (3) are: Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove, Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury, Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park, and Stones Rd in Sunnybank, are on the Gold Coast / Beenleigh line, a potential catastrophic situation awaits as frustrated motor vehicle drivers are tempted to race boom gates. When you take into account the Gold Coast services, the Beenleigh all station trains,  and the counter-peak services, it is likely that the boom gates would be down for around 40 minutes at a minimum in the hour during peaks. Clearly unmanageable. The Logan Gold Coast Faster Rail project has identified 5 crossings for removal viz. Kuraby, Woodridge, Bethania, Holmview and Beenleigh, but more needs to be done (4).

Level crossings suggested for immediate priority removal:

Boundary Road, Coopers Plains (business case underway)
Cavendish Road, Coorparoo
Beams Road, Carseldine (business case underway)
South Pine Road, Alderley
Wacol Station Road, Wacol
Kianawah Rd / Lindum Rd, Hemmant (precinct upgrade which does not include removal of LX)
Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove,
Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury
Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park,
Stones Rd in Sunnybank

We are looking for a real committment by Government and the Opposition to accelerating the removal of level crossings.
There is strong community support (5).

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

References:
1. Level Crossing Removal Project https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au
2. Brisbane City Council takes aim at government over bayside rail crossing
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/brisbane-city-council-takes-aim-at-government-over-bayside-rail-crossing-20201201-p56joy.html
3. Near-misses at level crossings increase despite campaign urging motorist care
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/nearmisses-at-level-crossings-increase-despite-campaign-urging-motorist-care/news-story/56fc9e23abd48d919a6725d618424b65?fbclid=IwAR0bcG6UfQRH8wumrMP0FYIIPtmzyNzYy4rLlii51goTfgLZ9wi2Ue7yywo
4. Logan and Gold Coast Faster Rail
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/projects/Logan-and-Gold-Coast-Faster-Rail
5. 28th April 2019: Which level crossings would you like to see removed in SEQ?
https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2585140008166837

Facebook ...

Level Crossings removed since 2015:

Melbourne 64 (sixty four) 
85 to be removed by 2025 ...

Brisbane 0 (zero)

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1531707995901399040

QuoteIt is also proposed that there will be increased train service frequencies post Cross River Rail.  For example, 5 minute services on the Gold Coast line during peaks.  The impact of this frequency on level crossings will be profound. When one considers that the 4 most dangerous level crossings (3) are: Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove, Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury, Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park, and Stones Rd in Sunnybank, are on the Gold Coast / Beenleigh line, a potential catastrophic situation awaits as frustrated motor vehicle drivers are tempted to race boom gates.

When you take into account the Gold Coast services, the Beenleigh all station trains,  and the counter-peak services, it is likely that the boom gates would be down for around 40 minutes at a minimum in the hour during peaks. Clearly unmanageable. The Logan Gold Coast Faster Rail project has identified 5 crossings for removal viz. Kuraby, Woodridge, Bethania, Holmview and Beenleigh, but more needs to be done (4).

Clearly the faster rail project for the GC line needs to extend northward to Dutton Park and they need to steam-iron the whole alignment, not just half of it. It would be strange to remove a level crossing by digging a trench or building an overpass to just reinforce the existing twisty alignment and then have those works stranded when straightening that line or perhaps putting off straightening by suggesting that major upgrade works already happened there so it cannot be straightened for a time.

Why does QLD always do things in half-measures? Fix up the whole line 

Absolutely.
Another thing we don't want to follow Victoria with is building a trench that is only barely wide enough for the current tracks with no provision for extra tracks in the future!

Couriermail --> Motorists face 'terminal gridlock' with state slow to remove rail crossings $

QuoteThe Palaszczuk government has not removed any rail level crossings since it was elected in 2015, prompting advocates to call for immediate action or face "shambolic" traffic issues in the lead up to the Olympics in 2032.

Worsening traffic congestion across South East Queensland has reignited calls for the state government to remove dozens of dangerous rail level crossings or face "terminal gridlock".

The Palaszczuk government has not removed any rail level crossings since it was elected in 2015, prompting calls from advocates for Transport Minister Mark Bailey to progress the removal of up to 52 crossings from the region and ease congestion.

Rail Back on Track advocacy group spokesman Robert Dow said at peak periods motorists were often stuck for several minutes waiting at crossings for passing trains. ...

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2nd June 2022

Re: Level crossing removal stagnates in Queensland

Good Morning,

In 2012 TMR tasked Deloitte Access Economics to look into the ' Cost-Benefit Analysis of Open Level Crossing Elimination '.
RAIL Back On Track obtained a copy through RTI application.  ( https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/aboutus/rti/disclog/2017/135-05823-Release-docs.pdf?la=en ).

Although now dated it is interesting that Deloitte concluded the sites that were high priority in 2012 were (page 63):

Beams Road, Aspley
Boundary Road, Coopers Plains
Telegraph Road, Bald Hills (removed in 2014)
Cavendish Road, Coorparoo
South Pine Road, Alderley
Wacol Station Road Wacol

SEQ cannot linger on for more years of level crossing removal inaction, There is little doubt that removing level crossings is cost effective. We need to get cracking before it becomes an almost unmanageable task as it ended up in Melbourne.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on June 01, 2022, 04:27:27 AMSent to all outlets:

Level crossing removal stagnates in Queensland

1st June 2022

The removal of level crossings has stagnated in SEQ. The last level crossings removed were done in 2014.  Since then there has been none.  Contrast this to Victoria, which in that time has removed 64 level crossings and is working towards removing a total of 85 by 2025 (1).
There are a lot of benefits when level crossings are removed. It is not only motorists that benefit. Daniel Bowen (PTUA Victoria) has done an informative blog on this. ' Benefits to non-motorists from level crossing removals https://www.danielbowen.com/2015/12/15/grade-separation-benefits/ '

There are around 52 level crossings on the Queensland Rail Citytrain Network south of Caboolture.  Unless there is a commitment from both sides of the political fence to step up the rate of level crossing elimination (grade separation) there will be increasing impacts on the road transport network and the reliability and safety of rail itself. Transport in SEQ is facing terminal gridlock, and the Olympics in 2032 will be shambolic.

We suggest that from this point on, there needs to be a firm commitment to eliminate at least four open level crossings per financial year in SEQ.  The Victorian Government has progressed the removal of level crossings at a rate not seen before.  They have removed 64 level crossings (1) since 2015 and plan to remove a total of 85 by 2025!  Contrast this to Queensland which has not removed any.

We suggest the Queensland Government set up an authority similar to the Level Crossing Removal Project in Victoria.  They should also liaise with Victoria on the lessons they have gained from their recent experiences with level crossing elimination. The default approach for level crossing removal in Queensland has been road over rail.  There are other ways of removing level crossings, for example elevated rail (rail over road), so called ' Sky Rail ' which Melbourne has implemented with great results. We need more focus and sophistication to the task in Queensland.

We agree with Brisbane City Council that the failure to not grade separate rail and road at Lindum is not satisfactory (2).

It is also proposed that there will be increased train service frequencies post Cross River Rail.  For example, 5 minute services on the Gold Coast line during peaks.  The impact of this frequency on level crossings will be profound. When one considers that the 4 most dangerous level crossings (3) are: Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove, Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury, Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park, and Stones Rd in Sunnybank, are on the Gold Coast / Beenleigh line, a potential catastrophic situation awaits as frustrated motor vehicle drivers are tempted to race boom gates. When you take into account the Gold Coast services, the Beenleigh all station trains,  and the counter-peak services, it is likely that the boom gates would be down for around 40 minutes at a minimum in the hour during peaks. Clearly unmanageable. The Logan Gold Coast Faster Rail project has identified 5 crossings for removal viz. Kuraby, Woodridge, Bethania, Holmview and Beenleigh, but more needs to be done (4).

Level crossings suggested for immediate priority removal:

Boundary Road, Coopers Plains (business case underway)
Cavendish Road, Coorparoo
Beams Road, Carseldine (business case underway)
South Pine Road, Alderley
Wacol Station Road, Wacol
Kianawah Rd / Lindum Rd, Hemmant (precinct upgrade which does not include removal of LX)
Warrigal Rd in Fruitgrove,
Old Beaudesert Rd in Salisbury
Trinder Crossing at Trinder Park,
Stones Rd in Sunnybank

We are looking for a real committment by Government and the Opposition to accelerating the removal of level crossings.
There is strong community support (5).

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

References:
1. Level Crossing Removal Project https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au
2. Brisbane City Council takes aim at government over bayside rail crossing
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/brisbane-city-council-takes-aim-at-government-over-bayside-rail-crossing-20201201-p56joy.html
3. Near-misses at level crossings increase despite campaign urging motorist care
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/nearmisses-at-level-crossings-increase-despite-campaign-urging-motorist-care/news-story/56fc9e23abd48d919a6725d618424b65?fbclid=IwAR0bcG6UfQRH8wumrMP0FYIIPtmzyNzYy4rLlii51goTfgLZ9wi2Ue7yywo
4. Logan and Gold Coast Faster Rail
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/projects/Logan-and-Gold-Coast-Faster-Rail
5. 28th April 2019: Which level crossings would you like to see removed in SEQ?
https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2585140008166837

Grid lock has nothing to do with level crossings and a lot to do with single minded focus on building road capacity at all levels of Govt in the futile hope of busting congestion! 

Yes, busting congestion by building roads doesn't work in the end.

Level crossing removals opens up access to all forms of transport.  The results in Melbourne have been very positive.  Previous crossings such as Carnegie and Murrumbeena that in the peaks were closed for majority of time caused lots of problems.  Since their removal it is much better for local community. It is also a lot safer of course, one of the main reasons to remove level crossings.

Buses, trams and emergency vehicles are not held up for long periods as they were in the past.  Active transport options improved.  Dumb road over rail as for Robinson Road Geebung treating for road vehicles only is a waste.

They need to do better.

Quote from: Jonno on June 02, 2022, 07:15:49 AMGrid lock has nothing to do with level crossings and a lot to do with single minded focus on building road capacity at all levels of Govt in the futile hope of busting congestion! 

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1532120857950072832

ABC --> Calls for action in the removal of level crossings in Brisbane, with no projects completed since 2015

QuoteIn greater Brisbane, from Caboolture to the south, there are around 52 level crossings where road and rail meet.

Key points:
Since 2015, Melbourne has removed 64 level crossings from its rail networks, but Brisbane has not removed any

Public transport lobbyist calls for a cross-government authority to fast-track level crossing removals

Urban traffic expert says such projects can create huge benefits for motorists

A source of congestion, accidents and frustration for many motorists, its estimated drivers collectively spend more than 12 hours a day waiting at 10 of the busiest level crossings in the region.

Since 2017, four people have died at level crossings and 14 have been injured due to collisions between pedestrians, trains and vehicles.

Seven level crossings across greater Brisbane are earmarked for removal, but public transport lobbyists are concerned work will not happen quick enough and the transport network will come under increased stress.

Robert Dow, who runs the public transport lobby group Rail Back On Track, said the state government needs to establish a dedicated level crossing removal authority, taking lessons from the Victorian government's successful approach.

He said plans to remove level crossings in the past have been inconsistent.

"It's been fragmented, piecemeal, disconnected and disorganised. The evidence is that we've removed nothing since 2015," Mr Dow said. ...

^ long article, well worth a read.

Quote from: ozbob on June 02, 2022, 07:38:01 AMYes, busting congestion by building roads doesn't work in the end.

Level crossing removals opens up access to all forms of transport.  The results in Melbourne have been very positive.  Previous crossings such as Carnegie and Murrumbeena that in the peaks were closed for majority of time caused lots of problems.  Since their removal it is much better for local community. It is also a lot safer of course, one of the main reasons to remove level crossings.

Buses, trams and emergency vehicles are not held up for long periods as they were in the past.  Active transport options improved.  Dumb road over rail as for Robinson Road Geebung treating for road vehicles only is a waste.

They need to do better.

Quote from: Jonno on June 02, 2022, 07:15:49 AMGrid lock has nothing to do with level crossings and a lot to do with single minded focus on building road capacity at all levels of Govt in the futile hope of busting congestion! 

Our challenge is our Governments and our media can not look beyond the daily traffic report to see that we just going from bad to worse to a disaster...and not just traffic.