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Couriermail --> Stand-off between Brisbane Airport owners and airlines threatens delays to new runway (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/stand-off-between-brisbane-airport-owners-and-airlines-threatens-delays-to-new-runway/story-e6freoof-1226579853587)

There's some issues with building it on swamp land that mean it will take longer to build.

Quote from: rtt_rules on February 18, 2013, 15:03:12 PM

Quote from: Simon on February 18, 2013, 14:25:32 PM
There's some issues with building it on swamp land that mean it will take longer to build.

Sydney's 3rd runway was built on water faster.

If it takes 6 years to build this it would be the slowest runway construction in world.

Doesn't change what I have posted.

Chek Lap Kok took 6 years to build.  I'm sure other examples took a long time too, such as KIX.

Anything is going to take longer here, that's a given.  We treat our workers better and we do considerably more due diligence and investigation on where things go.  I wouldn't be in a rush to surrender either approach.

It's something to do with poor bedrock and the mudflats settling.

I don't think the timescale for the new runway is at all surprising.

The current Brisbane Airport, constructed on reclaimed mudflats and the former suburb of Cribb Island, took from turning of the first sod in May 1980 until March 1988 to be ready for operations.  That was after a good decade of planning & resumptions, the site being gazetted as the future airport in 1970s.

Mudflat/mangrove reclamation projects often involve extended periods for things to settle & stabilise.

The long time is for stabilisation. 

Chep Lak Kok is not even in the same ballpark.  It was two runways, a terminal and not forgetting the infill between the existing islands. It's still amazing to me that they completed the project so quickly.

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport rakes in $241,000 a day for parking but can't afford new runway (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-rakes-in-241000-a-day-for-parking-but-cant-afford-new-runway/story-e6freoof-1226580647871)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport Corporation is committed to building a new runway and its funding model (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/brisbane-airport-corporation-is-committed-to-building-a-new-runway-and-its-funding-model/story-e6frerc6-1226582239213)

Quote from: rtt_rules on February 21, 2013, 14:20:19 PM
Someone in CM made a good point, when airlines buy a plane its 25-33% up front, so perhaps a small increase in landing charges to fund the ongoing construction of the new runway especally because it will take so long is not unrealistic. If the same landing charge per passenger is applies, lets say $X/seat. Then the airlines are not disadvantaged as its impacts equally and realistically there is no competition or equivalent alternative for Brisbane airport users so its not like they will loose customers.

Source on the 25-33% up front?  My info is that it is a deposit, a progress payment upon entering final assembly and the bulk of the cost on delivery.

This really assumes that the airlines actually want a new runway at Brisbane.  Obviously they would want it if they don't have to pay for it.

Quote from: rtt_rules on February 21, 2013, 14:33:58 PM
I suppose the comparison is Gladstone where the council rebuilt the runway to 737 standard. Not sure when landing fees were hiked during the project, but they were hiked.

Ability to operate a 737 is something airlines would really want though.  And passengers, because it means cheaper fares.  The second runway at BNE seems more like a nice to have at present, although it might needed in the future.  Or it might not.

With a Q400, it has 72 or 74 seats vs 150+ seats for 2 class 737-800 in QF config or 170 in 2 class VA config if I calculate correctly.  All of the planes need two pilots, the Q400 needs two F/As and the 737 needs 4-5 F/As.  You might pay the 737 pilots slightly more, but you are dividing the cost over more than double the number of passengers.  Fuel is slightly different but it isn't massive.

It really makes a big difference.

Couriermail --> OPINION: Profits take off BAC runs away from obligation on runway (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/profits-take-off-bac-runs-away-from-obligation-on-runway/story-e6frerc6-1226583000084)

The wonders of privatisation. Not so much an airport, more like a shopping mall with airstrip attached. If you go to Flightradar24.com you can watch the comings and goings, looks like the busway at South Brisbane on a bad day. This is available also as a smartphone or tablet app for a few dollars so you know where your plane is. One can also watch the ships on  marinetraffic.com.

Couriermail --> Night chaos as flights delayed waiting to land at an airport unable to cope with traffic (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/night-chaos-as-flights-delayed-waiting-to-land-at-an-airport-unable-to-cope-with-traffic/story-e6freoof-1226584589657)

Couriermail --> More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane Airport over the past year (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/flight/story-e6freon6-1226589359764)

Surely they can find a way here.  Group the light planes which used to be using the second (cross) runway together or put up their fees for landing/taking off in peak hour or something!

Couriermail --> Business and tourism leaders count the cost as search begins to cure Brisbane's airport woes (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/business-and-tourism-leaders-count-the-cost-as-search-begins-to-cure-brisbanes-airport-woes/story-e6freon6-1226590263859)

Couriermail --> Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese moves to ensure second Brisbane Airport runway is built (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/federal-transport-minister-anthony-albanese-moves-to-ensure-second-brisbane-airport-runway-is-built/story-e6freoof-1226591103335)

Perth Now --> Australian airports absent from world's best list (http://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/news/australian-airports-absent-from-worlds-best-list/story-fn30173u-1226597990907)

Couriermail --> Airport bosses create 15-year trail of broken promises as demand for second runway reaches boiling point (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/airport-bosses-create-15-year-trail-of-broken-promises-as-demand-for-second-runway-reaches-boiling-point/story-e6freoof-1226601934331)

Couriermail --> Sunshine Coast ready to help ease Brisbane's flight delay burden with more flights to Marcoola (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sunshine-coast-ready-to-help-ease-brisbanes-flight-delay-burden-with-more-flights-to-marcoola/story-e6freoof-1226609113197)

The new train line to Maroochydore should terminate at the Mcy Airport. Also they should bring forward the heavy rail link from Varsity lakes to Coolangatta airport. Then you can use all 3 airports BNE OOL and MCY in Synergy

I don't understand this proposal.

To avoid delay, you fly the plane to another airport far away so that it takes LONGER to get where you actually want to go. How is this any better than now??

Why not just fly the plane slower??

MCY's runway can only accomodate 737/A320s. 

Even then, there are payload restrictions for Melbourne on the Boeing 737-800s during the summer months (eg a fully loaded A320/737 travelling more than 2 hours uses more runway during the hotter months).    It's also likely one of the reasons why Air NZ operates MCY-AKL only during the Winter and Spring months every year (From June till the end of October).

It would have to be pretty hot for that to happen!

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport leads the nation as home of the most delayed flights in Australia (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-leads-nation-in-flight-delays/story-e6freoof-1226609997073)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport's efficiency has officially taken a nose-dive (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airports-efficiency-has-officially-taken-a-nose-dive/story-e6freoof-1226611193107)

Herald Sun --> New Dubai airport 'to be world's busiest' (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/world/new-dubai-airport-to-be-worlds-busiest/story-e6frfhdo-1226612304017)

Sloppy journalism.  Heathrow is not the worlds busiest airport, except by "International passengers".  Atlanta is far busier by both passengers and flights.

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport bosses will ask the ACCC to approve an increase in passenger landing charges to fund a new runway (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-bosses-will-ask-the-accc-to-approve-an-increase-in-passenger-landing-charges-to-fund-a-new-runway/story-e6freoof-1226616249970)

Couriermail --> Air traffic chiefs flag plan to stem delays at Brisbane Airport (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/air-traffic-chiefs-flag-plan-to-stem-delays-at-brisbane-airport/story-e6freoof-1226625452886)

ABC News --> Australia's airports under fire in ACCC report (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-30/australias-airports-under-fire-in-accc-report/4659014)

Couriermail Quest --> Anger soars over increase in airfield traffic (http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/east/anger-soars-over-increase-in-airfield-traffic/story-fn8m0sve-1226648660210)

Brisbanetimes --> Airport expansion would separate FIFO, budget travellers (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/airport-expansion-would-separate-fifo-budget-travellers-20130617-2oe72.html)

Brisbanetimes --> Virgin deal brings new runway closer (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-news/virgin-deal-brings-new-runway-closer-20130619-2ohse.html)

Couriermail --> Virgin deal lifts runway hopes, but Qantas could keep it grounded (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/virgin-deal-lifts-runway-hopes-but-qantas-could-keep-it-grounded/story-fnihsr9v-1226666352604)

Quote from: ozbob on June 19, 2013, 11:46:34 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Virgin deal brings new runway closer (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-news/virgin-deal-brings-new-runway-closer-20130619-2ohse.html)

This surprised me?

""With 37 per cent of our domestic flights arriving or departing the city each day, Brisbane is an extremely significant airport for Virgin Australia and is key to our growth aspirations," Mr Narayan said."

Brisbane is basically Virgin's home base so it shouldn't be too surprising.

Couriermail --> Airservices Australia's latest figures show that flight delays are still causing headaches at Brisbane Airport (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/airservices-australia8217s-latest-figures-show-that-flight-delays-are-still-causing-headaches-at-brisbane-airport/story-fnihsrf2-1226668787722)

Couriermail -->Brisbane Airport continues to be among nation's worst as delays continue to cripple facility (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-continues-to-be-among-nation8217s-worst-as-delays-continue-to-cripple-facility/story-fnihsrf2-1226682197850)

Couriermail Quest --> Archerfield Chamber of Commerce master plan at odds with airport's plan (http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/east/archerfield-chamber-of-commerce-master-plan-at-odds-with-airport8217s-plan/story-fni9r0lo-1226696456556)

Couriermail --> Qantas flight forced to Gold Coast to refuel after circling Brisbane Airport (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qantas-flight-forced-to-gold-coast-to-refuel-after-circling-brisbane-airport/story-fnihsrf2-1226706010261)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport Corporation insists second runway will be completed by 2020 despite delayed second stage (http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/brisbane-airport-corporation-insists-second-runway-will-be-completed-by-2020-despite-delayed-second-stage/story-fnihsps3-1226718848598)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport offers to help competitors take customers away from the congested hub (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-offers-to-help-competitors-take-customers-away-from-the-congested-hub/story-fnihsrf2-1226719498738)

Brisbanetimes --> Emirates Airbus A380 touches down in Brisbane (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-news/emirates-airbus-a380-touches-down-in-brisbane-20131002-2urbz.html)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport Corporation confirms plan to build second runway (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/brisbane-airport-corporation-confirms-plan-to-build-second-runway-after-couriermail-bnelateagain-campaign/story-e6freon6-1226736480656)

Brisbanetimes --> Second runway for Brisbane Airport (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/second-runway-for-brisbane-airport-20131010-2v9dy.html)

Premier
The Honourable Campbell Newman

Newman Government welcomes Parallel Runway

Premier Campbell Newman has welcomed the announcement by Brisbane Airport Corporation that work on the new Parallel Runway is due to begin within weeks.

Mr Newman said Brisbane Airport was the major gateway for business in Queensland.

"The Parallel Runway will provide billions of dollars of economic benefits, create jobs and support our four pillars of resources, construction, agriculture and especially tourism," Mr Newman said.

"More immediately, during the peak construction phase of the project, the runway is expected to generate almost 2,700 jobs, not to mention 7,800 brand new permanent jobs by 2035.

"Since coming to office, the Newman Government has expressed its views to representatives from Brisbane Airport Corporation about the need to expedite the construction of the runway in the interests of Queensland.

"This announcement is a major step towards improving Brisbane's infrastructure and dovetails nicely with our plans to build critical infrastructure around Queensland.

"A Parallel Runway will mean more flights into Brisbane and will give the business community the confidence it needs to book seminars, forums and conferences in Brisbane, safe in the knowledge they will arrive on time.

"The tourism benefits will also be great and will help drive our commitment to double overnight visitor expenditure to $30 billion by 2020.

"Tourism already contributes a total of $22 billion every year to the Queensland economy and we're starting to see some of the fruits of the hard work that we've put into promoting Queensland in Australia and around the world.

"Overall visitor numbers are up 10 per cent in the past year – the number of visitors from China alone is up 32 per cent – and this runway will help bring Brisbane Airport up to speed with some of the major airports around the world."

[ENDS] 10 October 2013

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Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway to impact blue-chip suburbs with flight noise (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport8217s-new-parallel-runway-to-impact-bluechip-suburbs-with-flight-noise/story-fnihsrf2-1226738602179)

Brisbanetimes --> Second Brisbane Airport runway construction factors in rising sea levels (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/second-brisbane-airport-runway-construction-factors-in-rising-sea-levels-20131011-2vdxt.html)

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Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning
The Honourable Jeff Seeney

Queensland Airports Strategy Takes Off

The Newman Government has released a new Economic Directions statement, Economic Directions Statement – Queensland Airports 2013-2023, to drive airport expansion and employment across Queensland.

Deputy Premier and Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning Jeff Seeney said the new Economic Directions statement aims to build on 40 of the state's leading airports which have strategic significance for economic growth.

"The Newman Government will assist Queensland's airports to build on their areas of competitive advantage and attract new investment," Mr Seeney said.

"The government will make a significant contribution to support the proposed $418.6 million Sunshine Coast airport expansion project as a tangible demonstration of what the strategy means to Queensland's strategic airports.

"The government is in the process of handing over three parcels of land needed by the Sunshine Coast Regional Council for this project.

"They will be converted to freehold title, at no cost to the Sunshine Coast Regional Council.

"This is a very significant contribution towards this key economic development project on the Sunshine Coast.

"The Queensland Government's contribution should assist the Council's effort to raise the necessary capital for the expansion project, which is currently undergoing assessment by the Coordinator-General."

The airport expansion project could create up to 5,000 direct jobs and when operational, could result in as many as 3,400 indirect jobs in the region.

Mr Seeney said the Newman Government was fully committed to doing everything it could to help the Sunshine Coast airport position itself to take advantage of new market opportunities.

"That is why we have amended the State Planning Regulation to exclude infrastructure on airports, and ancillary works from any development assessment referral under the Vegetation Management Act," he said.

"This move will not only assist the Sunshine Coast airport, but will benefit all other Queensland airports facing vegetation management issues.

"Our approach is all about reconciling what's best for the Queensland economy, and above all, thinking long-term."

Economic Directions Statement – Queensland Airports 2013-2023 is available to download from:  www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/airports

[ENDS] 16 October 2013

Couriermail --> Business slams federal review of Brisbane airport curfew (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/business-slams-federal-review-of-brisbane-airport-curfew/story-fnihsrf2-1226745568119)

I don't get aircraft noise.  I mean you move under a flight path, sure a month or two it's bad, then you get used to it and don't even hear it.

Little tidbit of interest in the article:

QuoteThe top four complainants accounted for over 80 per cent of all these complaints, with the most frequent complainant lodging 11,428 during the period

That means 2 in every 3 complaints come from this one person! Another way of looking at it, is that this person lodges 10.4 complaints every day, or one complaint every 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Is there a way you can simply force evict someone? This person honestly sounds like a community pest and should be removed from the flight path. Maybe she should be put out in the middle of nowhere so she has both no aircraft noise and nobody to complain to.  >:D And on that note, a curfew shouldn't be implemented. Current noise abatement measures are adequate.

There's somebody in that same position in Adelaide who personally accounts for around 75% of the complaints received.  And Adelaide has much more legitimate issues with noise given where the airport and flight paths are.

Quote from: James on October 24, 2013, 10:36:18 AM
Little tidbit of interest in the article:

QuoteThe top four complainants accounted for over 80 per cent of all these complaints, with the most frequent complainant lodging 11,428 during the period

That means 2 in every 3 complaints come from this one person! Another way of looking at it, is that this person lodges 10.4 complaints every day, or one complaint every 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Yes, he lives in Tingalpa from memory and phones every time a plane flies over. Was featured in print media a year or two ago.

Quote from: Set in train on October 24, 2013, 12:00:42 PMYes, he lives in Tingalpa from memory and phones every time a plane flies over. Was featured in print media a year or two ago.

As much as I love freedom and all that, is there any way to remove wankers like that from the community? Or at least have all his complains put into a spam folder where they just get shredded and then dumped on his house every year? People like this are wasting resources for the odd time that there is a genuine complaint which needs to be dealt with, and should be dealt with.

Brisbanetimes --> Airport curfew to cost Brisbane $1.3 billion by 2029 (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/airport-curfew-to-cost-brisbane-13-billion-by-2029-20131104-2wx64.html)

Couriermail --> Business travellers to take off from Archerfield with new year services (http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/business-travellers-to-take-off-from-archerfield-with-new-year-services/story-fnihsps3-1226754604504)

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane City Council opposes airport curfew (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-city-council-opposes-airport-curfew-20131112-2xetn.html)

airrailNEWS --> Google Street View maps out airports and train stations (http://www.airrailnews.com/index.php/component/simplelists/item/1067?utm_source=Air+Rail+News&utm_campaign=1da4bad930-airrail_NEWS_26_September_2013)

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport nearing completion (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-news/brisbane-west-wellcamp-airport-nearing-completion-20140108-30hqb.html)

Bring on the new runway for the Sunshine Coast Airport.  Uncle Clive (Palmer)might feel generous and fund a light rail link from the airport to his resort and plastic dinosaur park at Coolum.

Considering BNE can only support 2 747s and 1 A380 a day as of current, what makes Clive think SC Airport can support multiple 747s?   Also, GC's International LCC market is very tourist/low yield orientated with Jetstar recently axing direct GC-Osaka, Japan flights.

Whilst he is in right spirit of getting tourism, his views on Airports are pretty much :fo: :fo:

As most local Sunshine Coast bloggers and random people surveyed around the coast have said, most prefer increased domestic flights out of MCY to North Queensland, and to a lesser extent restoring the Adelaide link (better chance with Jetstar considering they just opened a hub there), as well as making the current Winter/Spring seasonal Air New Zealand flights to Auckland year-round.

The Sunshine Coast Airport expansion reportedly will achieve a positive BCR of 3.52, deliver NPV benefits of $645m and will create 5000 jobs.

From the business case, here: http://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/public_submissions/published/files/Sunshine_Coast_Regional_Council.pdf

Money better spent rail from MCY linking Bne. Improve terminal and run way for more domestic flights in and out of MCY. Make BNE the international flight hub essentially. Have dedicated trains every 20 mins MCY-BNE-OOL (Gold Coast)

I think the 'multiple regional airports' strategy as it works currently is fine. The only issue I can see is that the Gold Coast Airport has aircraft noise restrictions. And lets face it, the Gold Coast airport is far from a bustling hub. It didn't have jetways until recently for goodness sake...

I expect the new airport north of Toowoomba to have reasonable success domestically and minimal success beyond that. Gold Coast Airport is a low landing-fee alternative to Brisbane airport, yet you don't see airlines flocking to Coolie for lower landing fees/charges.
Airports located far far away from major population centres tend not to draw huge amounts of people - as such, I don't expect passenger numbers to take off (pardon the pun) at this new airport.

Any hugely expanded Sunshine Coast airport would be a flop. There just isn't the market there.

Gold Coast still doesn't have any jetways to my knowledge.  It's just one huge "building".

^ May that never change.   I love it the way it is.

BNE + OOL seems to work quite well.

OOL has quite considerable expansion plans designed to cope with a 3-fold increase in passenger density.  Given the city is meant to double in size over the next 20 years it sounds eminently sensible.

^ Maybe not.  It certainly won't be an "alternative" airport to BNE, but I fully expect there will be more routes coming for SE Asia, reactivation of Osaka flights, more domestic services to places like Adelaide and Perth and so onm plus greater traffic density on the Sydney and Melbourne flights.

Even doubling its passenger count only puts it at around 10-11 million per year, so it is hardly going to eat too far into BNE's market - by the time it gets there BNE will be a lot further along than where it is now too.

Wellcamp is primarily about freight and local access.  I don't expect any more passenger traffic than say a Mt Isa (if that).

Looking at the other forums, AirAsia X Thailand is looking at direct BNE-DMK (old Bangkok Airport) flights to differentiate themselves from their Malaysian parent (who flies OOL-KUL), so it seems the 'silent' agreement to have OOL only go after the LCCs and BNE go after the premiums may likely be over (judging by the recent JQ BNE-DPS announcements).

However, I don't expect OOL to grab much routes with Premium Classes apart from full service carriers on Domestic Routes (ala Qantas) or LCCs with Premium Economy (ala Scoot).  At most QF may increase their services to SYD and perhaps reintroduce OOL-MEL

As for MCY, the only growth I can see is expanded FIFO and domestic passenger services, with highly possible passenger service to CNS (via JQ's CNS hub), with possible reinstatement of MCY-ADL flights (also likely via JQ given they just opened a hub there), as well as the council working on a business case for NZ to make their MCY-AKL Winter-Spring service a all-year-round service. 

Any other short-haul international service out of MCY (Nadi-Fiji or Christchurch) would likely be the occasional charter on the A320/737 given MCY's runway can only support narrow bodies.

Brisbanetimes --> Get your own name, Brisbane Lord Mayor tells new Toowoomba airport (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/get-your-own-name-brisbane-lord-mayor-tells-new-toowoomba-airport-20140114-30rua.html)

Couriermail --> Clear skies help slash Brisbane Airport delays (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/clear-skies-help-slash-brisbane-airport-delays/story-fnihsrf2-1226807949599)

Brisbanetime --> BNE: Qantas to sell Brisbane Airport for $112m (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/bne-qantas-to-sell-brisbane-airport-for-112m-20140227-33jab.html)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport wins fight against night flights (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-wins-fight-against-night-flights/story-fnihsrf2-1226858559188)

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport plans monorail transit system between domestic and international terminals in preparation for growing future demand (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-plans-monorail-transit-system-between-domestic-and-international-terminals-in-preparation-for-growing-future-demand/story-fnihsrf2-1226869193380)

Alfred was right ...   :P

AHAHAHA  :bna:

Looked at a calendar. ha!

Day early, but why would that stop the CM ...   :fo:

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Oh you've got to be kidding.  Why not be like every other airport in the world and have an underground link.  Or even utilise the existing railway... it is duplicated between Domestic and International.

Quote from: ozbob on March 31, 2014, 02:51:37 AM
Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport plans monorail transit system between domestic and international terminals in preparation for growing future demand (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-plans-monorail-transit-system-between-domestic-and-international-terminals-in-preparation-for-growing-future-demand/story-fnihsrf2-1226869193380)

Alfred was right ...   :P

Railway line? What railway line? Bus service? What bus service? Really, it is not necessary. Duplicate the single track International Terminal - Eagle Junction and voila, you can run services every 15 minutes off-peak and 10 minutes in peak. More bang for buck and no need for some fancy gimmick.

I suspect that Airtrain could very well challenge this development. If we went back to the 369 before the changes last year, it effectively would give pax a frequent 6am - 9pm (probably) connection between Eagle Junction and the Airport Terminals for no more than a two-zone bus fare.

A behind-security link at BNE is not necessary, nor practical - unlike the USA, our international and domestic (outbound) traffic does not mix, so one has to leave security in order to clear customs/immigration.

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane Airport master plan proposes monorail to link terminals and parking areas (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-airport-master-plan-proposes-monorail-to-link-terminals-and-parking-areas-20140331-35siu.html)

Brisbanetimes --> Airport monorail could be running in 10 years (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/airport-monorail-could-be-running-in-10-years-20140331-35t8a.html)

Monorail systems do operate at a number of airports around the world.  None, none have ' cable cars ' as far as I am aware ...

TBH it's not really a bad idea but the rollingstock has to be up to date ie nothing small like the usual monorails we know about. With the expansion that's going on out there a monorail system could be quite the popular choice depending on its setup especially if it can link into the DFO and any possible airport hotel facilities down the line. Make it fully automated with the 24hr airport and the nearby 24hr supermarket..... things could really change.

I think they might be getting suspended monorails mixed up with cable cars ... Alfred E.  knows ..  :P

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Yes, BNE will need some internal transport system particularly as it expands.  Automated monorail or even automated rail systems of various types might be achievable.  The heavy rail shuttle between domestic and international is also useful for many and will continue to be so. Poor frequency is the killer of course.

Monorail seems sensible for within-airport transport.  Could be automated and run 24/7 unlike the Airtrain (which also can't service the parking areas).

Edit: looks like it won't connect to the retail precinct (DFO etc) for at least 15 years according to this article (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/airport-monorail-could-be-running-in-10-years-20140331-35t8a.html). Looks like this is due to Airtrain contract, so no surprise there.

QuoteThe first phase of the monorail would not link down to the retail section of the airport near the Gateway Motorway - where Brisbane City Council buses run - for at least 15 years.

QuoteAlthough maps show the monorail might eventually link to the retail and commercial section - where council buses run - this was not included in the first phase of the monorail, Mr Willey said.
''That is something that we would not discount for the very long-term future, but it is not something that we would contemplate in the first stages of delivering the system,'' he said.
Mr Willey said the state agreement with Airtrain until the 2030s still imposed constraints on the bus services offered at the airport.
''Whether that agreement changes and allows more bus services into the airport into the future, we're not certain of, but we will continue to push for more public service offerings into the airport,'' he said.

Quote from: ozbob on March 31, 2014, 13:53:25 PM
Monorail systems do operate at a number of airports around the world.  None, none have ' cable cars ' as far as I am aware ...

Depends on what you class as a "cable car"
http://www.dcc.at/doppelmayr/references/en/detail.aspx

Yo ^ monorail ...

Unfortunate they have used ' cable car '  heard a discussion on radio last evening and there was a bit of derision re ' cable cars '  and BNE ..

Most think of cable cars quite rightly as the gondolas hanging down from cables ..

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Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning
The Honourable Jeff Seeney

Cloncurry airport amenities receive vital upgrade

The Western Queensland town of Cloncurry will receive a new airport apron and taxiway to cater for local residents and a growing number of workers through Round 3 of the Royalties for the Regions program.

Deputy Premier and Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning Jeff Seeney said the Queensland Government had committed $800,000 to a $1 million upgrade of the airport, delivering on the election promise to deliver better infrastructure and planning.

"Cloncurry is fast becoming a hub for regional resource industry projects and the current infrastructure is no longer adequate for the larger, heavier aircraft and increased passenger numbers," Mr Seeney said.

"Upgrading the apron and taxiway at the airport will improve services for the local community, visitors and resource sector workers.

"Investing in regional transport infrastructure such as this is an important part of growing economic development in regional Queensland and building the resource pillar of the Queensland economy.

"Labor ignored regional Queensland while in government and is a Party with no position now, but we have a plan to deliver better infrastructure and better planning that will help communities grow and prepare for the future.

"Royalties for the Regions is doing that."

Cloncurry Shire Council Mayor Andrew Daniels said he was grateful for the Royalties for the Regions funding.

"Cloncurry local government area is a valuable contributor to the Queensland economy and I'm pleased to see this acknowledged through the Royalties for the Regions program," Mr Daniels said.

"The $800,000 for the Cloncurry Airport upgrade recognises the $119 million of royalties generated as a result of resource activity in the Shire.

"I believe this figure will rise as Cloncurry continues to experience sustained growth."

The Queensland Government will finalise other successful Royalties for the Regions Round 3 applications in coming weeks with more than 23 council projects expected to share in this round's allocations.

To date more than 39 councils across Queensland have received over $250 million funding through the program, delivering more than 235 kilometres of road upgrades, community infrastructure and flood mitigation projects. For more information visit http://www.qld.gov.au/royalties

[ENDS] 15 May 2014

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Brisbanetimes --> Two new hotels at Brisbane Airport (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-planning/travel-news/two-new-hotels-at-brisbane-airport-20140730-zyh7z.html)

Brisbanetimes --> Archerfield Airport to open $4 million student centre (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/archerfield-airport-to-open-4-million-student-centre-20140802-zzixz.html)

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An interesting possibility -- catch Westlander to Toowoomba for cheap fares on Qantas flights from Australia's newest airport.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/travel-news/qantas-reveals-plan-to-fly-from-australias-new-privately-owned-public-airport-brisbane-west-wellcamp/story-fnjjv9zl-1227046344013

How about the first region in Australia to link all the Airports with Rail Mcy-Bne-Ool Toowoomba-Wellcamp-Ipswich duplicated and electrified

Brisbanetimes --> Toowoomba airport eyes international flights (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-planning/travel-news/toowoomba-airport-eyes-international-flights-20140903-10c2jl.html)

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$99 bucks one way to Sydney is cheaper than Brisbane, but not worth the effort to go 130km west. The taxi fare from the station to the airport would destroy any profit without factoring in the train fare. $120 bucks is the typical price from Brisbane from Qantas to Sydney and the $99 fare by Qantaslink won't last as they are probably getting extra low to no landing fees to get them to move there.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this airport goes.

Wow, I daresay it is really going to struggle. Hope their numbers are correct and were not calculated by the same mob that did Clem7, AirporLink etc. That said, $200 million for an airport is AMAZINGLY CHEAP and 18 months MINDBLOWINGLY FAST for construction.

Its Toowoomba, and the airport is a good 17km out of the area. I think it will be rather quiet.

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Queensland Times --> Toowoomba versus Brisbane our new choice (http://www.qt.com.au/news/ipswich-on-the-radar/2380262/)

Avalon is struggling in Victoria, I am not sure if this will work out in the longer term ..

Brisbanetimes --> Councils eye privatisation of regional airports to boost the bottom line (http://www.smh.com.au/business/councils-eye-privatisation-of-regional-airports-to-boost-the-bottom-line-20140914-10gttr.html)

Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning
The Honourable Jeff Seeney

Have your say on Sunshine Coast Airport expansion

The next step in the potential expansion of the Sunshine Coast Airport which will create more than 1500 long-term jobs and provide a major economic boost for the region is underway, with the independent Coordinator-General releasing an environmental impact statement for public comment.

Deputy Premier and Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning Jeff Seeney said the proposed $347 million expansion would enable the airport to more than double its capacity to two million passengers a year.

"Sunshine Coast Regional Council proposes to construct a new runway and associated infrastructure at the Marcoola airport site," Mr Seeney said.

"If approved, the new runway would enable larger jets to use the airport and will provide greater access to the Sunshine Coast for international tourists.

"Economic forecasts suggest passenger numbers at the airport could climb from the current 900,000 a year to two million a year by 2030.

"Our government promised to grow the economy and deliver better planning. Assisting the Sunshine Coast Council to expand its airport into a strategic infrastructure hub delivers on this promise.

"I encourage community members to have their say on the proposed expansion."

Sunshine Coast Regional Council is proposing to build a new north-west/south-east 2450 metres long runway – 652 metres longer than the current airstrip – to allow for a wider range of aircraft.

Expanding the airport is expected to create up to 86 direct jobs during construction and create 1538 operational jobs by 2040.

Mr Seeney said the Queensland Government had helped progress the proposal by agreeing to transfer, at no cost, three parcels of state-owned land adjacent to the airport needed by council for the project.

The project is a controlled action under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. The Coordinator-General is conducting a bilateral assessment on behalf of the State and Federal governments.

The Coordinator-General has determined that council's environmental impact statement has adequately addressed matters outlined in the Terms of Reference.

The Terms of Reference for the environmental impact statement required the proponent to address potential impacts like aircraft noise, construction, and coastal processes.

The public can have their say on the environmental impact statement from Monday 29 September until Thursday 13 November.

Residents can comment on the environmental impact statement at: https://haveyoursay.dsdip.qld.gov.au/coordinatorgeneral/SCAexpansion

Submissions can also be emailed to SCAexpansion@coordinatorgeneral.qld.gov.au or posted to the Coordinator-General, c/- EIS Project Manager – Sunshine Coast Airport Expansion, Coordinated Project Delivery, Office of the Coordinator-General, PO Box 15517, City East Qld 4002.

To view the environmental impact statement visit www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/SCAexpansion

Printed copies of the environmental impact statement can be viewed between 1 October and 13 November at all major Sunshine Coast libraries and council service centres.

[ENDS] 26 September 2014

**Editor's note addresses of where printed EIS information can be viewed

    Sunshine Coast Regional Council service centres:
    Caloundra: 1 Omrah Avenue, Caloundra
    Maroochydore: 10 First Avenue, Maroochydore
    Nambour: Cnr Currie and Bury Streets, Nambour
    Sunshine Coast Airport Management Office, 10 Electra Lane, Marcoola
    Sunshine Coast Regional Council libraries:
    Beerwah Library, 25 Peachester Road, Beerwah
    Caloundra Library, 8 Omrah Avenue, Caloundra
    Coolum Beach Library, 6 Park Street, Coolum
    Kawana Library, 30 Nanyima Street, Buddina
    Kenilworth Library, 4A Elizabeth Street, Kenilworth
    Maleny Library, 5 Coral Street, Maleny
    Maroochydore Library, 44 Sixth Avenue, Cotton Tree
    Nambour Library, Cnr Bury and Currie Streets, Nambour
    Noosa Shire Council, 9 Pelican Street, Tewantin
    Noosa Shire Council libraries:
    Cooroy Library, 9 Maple Street, Cooroy
    Noosaville Library, Wallace Drive, Noosaville
    Bribie Island Library, Cnr Welsby Parade and First Avenue, Bribie Island
    State Library of Queensland, Cultural Centre, Stanley Place, South Bank, Brisbane
    National Library of Australia, Parkes Place, Canberra, ACT
    Department of the Environment, John Gorton Building, King Edward Terrace, Parkes, Canberra, ACT.

If they can get a private company similar to the mob that build Toowooma Wellcamp Airport (I ain't calling that Brisbane West), that would be good.

Saying that, while the runway extension is welcomed, that doesn't always translate into widebody flights (eg Canberra Airport expansion).  However, the push for domestic expansion (especially flights north of MCY to North Qld destinations via FIFO or LCC is fairly strong). 

Saying that, the only expansion I could see at MCY should the runway be expanded is extended domestic services (CNS, ADL) via Jetstar or possibly Tigerair (using crews from SYD or MEL bases).  New Zealand flights to AKL extended from seasonal  to year round maybe, with seasonal runs to Christchurch?

BNE has the international flights sewn up, whilst OOL has the low cost Asian LCCs, so pretty much potential expansion for MCY is pretty much mostly LCC domestic, unless if Clive Palmer is willing to subsidise Asian carriers to come here.

It is all well and good to expand the airport, but the airlines need to come. I cannot see a plane bigger than a 737 wanting to use it for the medium term, so improving reliability I think would be most important as flights often get diverted to BNE.BNE is very accessible from the Coast and offers a huge array of flights, domestically and internationaly, which MCY struggles to compete with. There use d to be flights to Adelaide, but they ceased after a while. There is more competition and flight times at BNE that may draw people from MCY due to the flexibility and fares. As I grew up on the Coast I would love to see more flights. Any pressure taken off BNE is a positive as well.

Also to add the business travellers on the SC prefer BNE over MCY due to the lack of early departures, hence also contributing to the low yield/LCC nature of MCY.  Hence, why there is no business class out of MCY apart from the daily VA departures each to SYD and MEL, and even then the departure times aren't suited for the small business traveller market.

One of the few ways to add early departures out of MCY is if an airline bases one B737 or A320 out of MCY to go RON during weekday nights.  However I can't see any airlines basing a a/c out of MCY anytime soon, although it is well positioned as a domestic low cost carrier alternative instead of BNE.

Brisbanetimes --> Toowoomba's Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport airport to have first flights (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/toowoombas-brisbane-west-wellcamp-airport-airport-to-have-first-flights-20141116-11nuqm.html)

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Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane West Wellcamp airport builders Wagners have infrastructure advice for Tony Abbott (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/brisbane-west-wellcamp-airport-builders-wagners-have-infrastructure-advice-for-tony-abbott-20141117-11o9t6.html)

I wonder if a local rail service from Toowoomba to Wellcamp would do well. Looking at the timetable (http://www.wellcamp.com.au/FIDS/WTB_18112014_1015.json) there's only 3 services today so they'd probably only run in sync with the flights.

Quote from: dancingmongoose on November 18, 2014, 10:22:59 AM
I wonder if a local rail service from Toowoomba to Wellcamp would do well.

...Or at least qconnect buses to the urban area. (Sheesh, they don't even serve Picnic Point!)

Maybe some Brisbane-Toowoomba coach runs could be extended to WTB?

Be good to have Toowoomba integrated into the TransLink network for better services as well as investigation and implementation of electrified duplicated  dual gauge track from Toowoomba to Rosewood via Well camp Airport

I think we've got to be careful before jumping into anything. Remember, at this point, there are only two Q400 services per day serving Wellcamp. Even assuming 100% full loads, that is only 156 passengers per day. Toowoomba also isn't the kind of destination where visitors tend to solely use public transport (i.e. not hire a car), hence I think demand for a PT service at this point would be near zero.

I don't see a need to extend a bus service there at this point. If there are calls for it, I would start with a Greyhound bus service or something along those lines.

Quote from: verbatim9 on November 18, 2014, 14:19:50 PM
Be good to have Toowoomba integrated into the TransLink network for better services as well as investigation and implementation of electrified duplicated  dual gauge track from Toowoomba to Rosewood via Well camp Airport

You've got to somehow get up the range first!  The current alignment of the track wouldn't be competitive or sustainable for services to Rosewood and Toowoomba if you are considering a normal passenger type service seen in a major city.

And anyway, I tend to agree with James on this one, until the patronage increases ie: more flights start arriving, I don't think there is a real need for public transport to the area, unless the Wellcamp Airport people want to put on their own bus, of which they would be able to do if they applied for it, which in all honesty is all you need assuming you only get 156 passengers a day.

As the airport takes on more flights, then you may look at extending the local Toowoomba bus network to Wellcamp Airport, rail would only be viable if it's a major airport, of which it isn't currently and isn't likely to be in the foreseeable future, and if you did rail then you might as do the whole lot from Rosewood to the Airport, but that's a massive project in itself and would require some major engineering to get up the range, of which it is pretty steep.

When Tullamarine or even Coolangatta has its railway then perhaps some attention can be given to the obvious market of 300 people per day at Wellcamp.

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Small airlines would be one of the less successful start-ups of any industry. The list of failures in Australia is endless. As such I would be reluctant to buy tickets too far into the future. Getting your money back is only part of the problem when they fail.

And now people want to build HSR. Even the airlines struggle to break even...

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Quote from: LD Transit on November 24, 2014, 02:46:18 AM
And now people want to build HSR. Even the airlines struggle to break even...

QANTAS and Virgin are both making profits now that their dumb "capacity war" is over. SYD-MEL is consistently in the top 5 busiest routes in the world and BNE-SYD is up there consistently as well. If major airlines can not make a profit then there is something wrong with them; there is no shortage of demand.

Regional airlines are a different story. In the case of Rex, they folded when they lost contracts and did it while in a good position (compare with the Ansett fiasco).

Is 'busiest' a valid metric? What is it describing?

If capacity is an issue, get a bigger plane.

Capacity isn't a issue.  In fact there was overcapacity as a result of the past 'capacity war' which lead to massive losses for both major Airline groups (the Qantas-Jetstar group and the Virgin-TigerAir group).

A full plane does not equal profit in the airline industry, it is mostly about the yields and capacity control.

Also the regional airline that shut up shop was Skytrans, which lost the contracts to Rex.

Quote from: ozbob on March 12, 2015, 16:32:32 PM
Brisbanetimes --> Two Queensland airports in Skytrax world's top 50 (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/two-queensland-airports-in-skytrax-worlds-top-50-20150312-142di3.html)

Brisbane airport, Top 50 in the world? Ha! Arriving in Brisbane (domestic) after travelling overseas, the only thing which was missing was a sign with "Welcome to Hicksville - please wind your clocks back 1 hour and 20 years."

BAC charge for trolleys at the domestic terminal (something which most major airports have done away with), the pick-up area shambles is far from fixed, the Airtrain is very ordinary, the International terminal always seems to be constantly under renovation, and then you have the one runway issue, where Cessnas share a runway with 747s. This being said, the quality of all airports in Australia is pretty ordinary.

I'm more amazed that OOL is also in the top 50 at 42nd! It must be the smallest in the top half of the list.

As I understand it the results are generated from public feedback so there must have been plenty of people with favourable impressions of both.

Quote from: Arnz on March 12, 2015, 23:01:25 PM
Also the regional airline that shut up shop was Skytrans, which lost the contracts to Rex.

My mistake. Long live Rex!

Quote from: LD Transit on March 12, 2015, 22:53:48 PM
Is 'busiest' a valid metric? What is it describing?

If capacity is an issue, get a bigger plane.

SYD-MEL-SYD is #3 for daily flights, #4 for monthly seat capacity and #5 for annual passengers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_passenger_air_routes). With only two airlines offering frequent service (Jestar and Tiger sporadic), surely there is money to be made on the route? The demand is there, it is just up for airlines to get the supply right (as has been reported recently, there are profits to be made). My initial point was that the failure of regional airlines is not an indictment of the viability of HSR.

I struggle to see planes bigger than a 737/A320 forming the mainstay of a domestic fleet. Much more flexibility than bigger planes. The only capacity issues there have been recently have been too much.

QuoteSYD-MEL-SYD is #3 for daily flights, #4 for monthly seat capacity and #5 for annual passengers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_passenger_air_routes). With only two airlines offering frequent service (Jestar and Tiger sporadic), surely there is money to be made on the route? The demand is there, it is just up for airlines to get the supply right (as has been reported recently, there are profits to be made). My initial point was that the failure of regional airlines is not an indictment of the viability of HSR.

I struggle to see planes bigger than a 737/A320 forming the mainstay of a domestic fleet. Much more flexibility than bigger planes. The only capacity issues there have been recently have been too much.

In a standard scenario, profits are driven towards zero (after opportunity costs realised - economic profit, not accounting profit)
When airlines make losses, this is the signal for them to reduce capacity. When there is more profit, this is a signal to add capacity.

Will the rail line make money enough to pay back its operational and construction costs? Will it make a decent profit from its operation?
It seems not, unless it were for coverage purposes.

There are also opportunity costs. EVEN IF the project can cover costs, if the gov't is involved, it needs to be compared against alternatives such as improved PT transport in cities.

Quote from: LD Transit on March 14, 2015, 05:37:23 AM
In a standard scenario, profits are driven towards zero (after opportunity costs realised - economic profit, not accounting profit)
When airlines make losses, this is the signal for them to reduce capacity. When there is more profit, this is a signal to add capacity.

Are not all economic profits driven to zero only under perfect competition, of which a duopoly does not qualify? The "standard scenario" is a myth that does not exist in the real world.

When profits increase, the airlines only have the incentive to increase capacity if they think that their overall profit will increase. Excess demand is the ideal situation for airlines: raise prices and maintain capacity (and thus costs).

Quote from: LD Transit on March 14, 2015, 05:37:23 AM
Will the rail line make money enough to pay back its operational and construction costs? Will it make a decent profit from its operation?
It seems not, unless it were for coverage purposes.

That depends on what study you look at.

Quote from: LD Transit on March 14, 2015, 05:37:23 AM
There are also opportunity costs. EVEN IF the project can cover costs, if the gov't is involved, it needs to be compared against alternatives such as improved PT transport in cities.

I agree: there are opportunity costs. The opportunity cost of not having HSR is road spending on intercity highways and motorways. Increased spending on airports (e.g. Badgery's Creek). Continued issues with urban growth (as HSR should open up regional areas for commuting). Environmental costs (e.g. aeroplane emissions). Costs from extraordinary events (e.g. planes being grounded for whatever reason).

Indeed there are opportunity costs for building it too and it is unlikely any major urban projects will be undertaken while HSR is built (although CRR, Melbourne Metro and the Second Harbour Crossing could all be integrated with HSR construction). IMHO both urban rail and HSR are worthy of funds and it is a difficult choice which one to prioritise. At the very least a HSR corridor should be preserved, especially in urban areas.

QuoteAre not all economic profits driven to zero only under perfect competition, of which a duopoly does not qualify? The "standard scenario" is a myth that does not exist in the real world.

When profits increase, the airlines only have the incentive to increase capacity if they think that their overall profit will increase. Excess demand is the ideal situation for airlines: raise prices and maintain capacity (and thus costs).

The ideal gas, the perfect heat engine, negative and imaginary numbers do not exist also, and yet are acceptable as theoretical standards that give good practical outcomes. The simple fact that airlines made losses and had to pull back is pretty good real-world evidence that they are pretty close to the knife edge. The observation that other airlines have gone bankrupt/induced to merge (i.e. tiger) also a good indicator.

It's not perfect, but it doesn't need to be. The OPEC oil has also become massively cheaper as well so it will be a while I think before it is competitive.

QuoteThat depends on what study you look at.

If people think it is worthwhile, let them pump their own money into it. The freight railway that went from Adelaide to Darwin didn't work out so great...

QuoteI agree: there are opportunity costs. The opportunity cost of not having HSR is road spending on intercity highways and motorways. Increased spending on airports (e.g. Badgery's Creek). Continued issues with urban growth (as HSR should open up regional areas for commuting). Environmental costs (e.g. aeroplane emissions). Costs from extraordinary events (e.g. planes being grounded for whatever reason).

But it would not. Which HSR countries ripped up their intercity motorways after they put HSR in? There are air links between Australian Cities and this has not prevented intercity highway upgrades and maintenance (Pacific Highway seems to be in a permanent state of upgrade) so why would HSR be any different?

It would be an additional cost, over and above what we have currently.

My inclination is not to support HSR, purely because the fund levels are so massive I would like to see core upgrades to cities such as CRR, LRT etc.

Tigerair had recently been bought out and absorbed into the Virgin Australia group not long ago as the LCC competitor to Jetstar (a Qantas Group airline), so the airline industry is basically a duopoly.

Quote from: pandmaster on March 14, 2015, 16:24:34 PMAre not all economic profits driven to zero only under perfect competition, of which a duopoly does not qualify? The "standard scenario" is a myth that does not exist in the real world.

When profits increase, the airlines only have the incentive to increase capacity if they think that their overall profit will increase. Excess demand is the ideal situation for airlines: raise prices and maintain capacity (and thus costs).

I agree: there are opportunity costs. The opportunity cost of not having HSR is road spending on intercity highways and motorways. Increased spending on airports (e.g. Badgery's Creek). Continued issues with urban growth (as HSR should open up regional areas for commuting). Environmental costs (e.g. aeroplane emissions). Costs from extraordinary events (e.g. planes being grounded for whatever reason).

Indeed there are opportunity costs for building it too and it is unlikely any major urban projects will be undertaken while HSR is built (although CRR, Melbourne Metro and the Second Harbour Crossing could all be integrated with HSR construction). IMHO both urban rail and HSR are worthy of funds and it is a difficult choice which one to prioritise. At the very least a HSR corridor should be preserved, especially in urban areas.

Firstly, motorway expansions aren't really for passenger trips between Brisbane and Sydney directly - they're more designed for the increased load from trucks on the road and trips between intermediate points (Coffs Harbour - Ballina, for example). These days, you'd only drive to Sydney if you wanted to have your car with you (which is something HSR can't do, ever). Assuming 7L/100km, it would cost around $100 in fuel (this is best case scenario) and take three to five times as long as flying.

Secondly, is a new airport for each capital city in a remote location more expensive than building a HSR rail line of around ~2000km in length?

I think HSR is a pipe-dream, particularly when poor Gold Coast line commuters have a pathetic 60km/hr speed between Beenleigh and the CBD. Focus on fast commuter rail within the major cities first, where it may perform well and can compete with competing modes (i.e. the car, which can't really go fast in peak hour traffic).

Competition is a degree, not a box. In any case, a duopoly airline does not alone justify HSR construction.
Competition could also be increased if the Gov't repealed some rules - IIRC I think there is one rule that does not permit
an international flight to then act as a domestic flight (i.e. fly from Dubai to Brisbane, and then do Brisbane-Sydney as domestic).

It's not "perfect" -true- but nothing is perfect.
We still need to make predictions, and see if it is closer or further away vs some kind of benchmark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_competition

Where a third party sees the opportunity to make money, it will enter the competition (i.e Tiger Air). The observation that TigerAir experienced financial difficulties and struggled to make money, and hence had to be absorbed is evidence that there isn't excess profit in the industry, and is further consistent with the view that (economic) profits are being driven towards zero. Regular price-wars and aggressive discounting are other indications.

Difference between a firm's accounting and economic profit   :is-

Difference between a firm's accounting and economic profit

QuoteI think HSR is a pipe-dream, particularly when poor Gold Coast line commuters have a pathetic 60km/hr speed between Beenleigh and the CBD. Focus on fast commuter rail within the major cities first, where it may perform well and can compete with competing modes (i.e. the car, which can't really go fast in peak hour traffic).

For a fraction of HSR funds, you could separate the GC line from the... - oh wait, that would be Cross River Rail -. :o

Fund Cross River Rail II!!

Gold Coast Light Rail all the way to Tweed Heads!

Bus Network Reno for all of QLD

Rolls-Royce Signalling for QR

Raise platform heights all across the QR network

Expand Sydney Light Rail

etc etc.

So many more people would benefit from upgrades like that than the numbers from HSR. This is why I oppose it in its current form. Of course I will always leave room for doubt - maybe someone will work out a way to massively reduce labour costs of construction in the future using robots or the fuel for planes will massively increases - making HSR economical, but until then, save the land, don't build.

Quote from: LD Transit on March 14, 2015, 19:36:13 PM
Competition could also be increased if the Gov't repealed some rules - IIRC I think there is one rule that does not permit
an international flight to then act as a domestic flight (i.e. fly from Dubai to Brisbane, and then do Brisbane-Sydney as domestic).

Believe that rule only applies to overseas based airlines (eg Emirates and Singapore Air), and overseas countries also have the a similar rule in their countries.  There are temporary exceptions in extreme circumstances (such as the Ansett collapse when international airlines were temporarily allowed to carry domestic passengers on domestic legs). 

Australian based airlines are allowed to do such a routing and pick up domestic-only passengers on the domestic bit (eg Jetstar's MEL-SYD-HNL (Hawaii)).

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Quote from: ozbob on March 25, 2015, 03:16:55 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Sunshine Coast airport expansion opposed by Peter Wellington (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/sunshine-coast-airport-expansion-opposed-by-peter-wellington-20150324-1m6skc.html)

He is right, there are higher priorities. The new runway is fine in terms of aircraft size. Diversions during inclement weather is an issue, I am not sure if that can be addressed without the second runway. Regardless, there are higher priorities.

I echo Peter's sentiments.  In terms of priorities, any MCY expansions would be WELL BELOW the list of priorities.  Especially with the endless calls of flights north to CNS (a Jetstar hub), which can be done without any runway extensions.

Despite the short runway (in which CASA had since lifted the 'restrictions' imposed on MCY last year) SYD flights doesn't face any aircraft load restrictions at all, and MEL flights may face the occasional aircraft load restrictions during the occasional very windy weather.  During the short time Tigerair flew from Sunshine Coast to Adelaide, most flights didn't face any load restrictions (with the exception of weather events).

Perth and/or Darwin flights to MCY would definitely face load restrictions as they are longer flights (with the short runway unlikely to take a fully loaded plane from a 4+ hr flight), plus the low demand wouldn't make the flights viable.

Depending on weather conditions across the Tasman, the MCY-AKL (Auckland) flights may be load restricted as a result of the short runway, but that's a different issue entirely.

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Busy as hong kong or singapore today? Seems a bit steep.

But if true, then maybe that bus not such a bad idea.

Quote from: LD Transit on May 18, 2015, 18:22:06 PM
Busy as hong kong or singapore today? Seems a bit steep.

Traffic forecasting: not exactly an exact science. The AirportLink was meant to be busier than the Lincoln Tunnel in New York after all.

Three years before paving can start.  :ttp: Nothing can be done about it unfortunately.

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Quote from: ozbob on June 03, 2015, 03:21:42 AM
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As a former Sunshine Coast resident I found the airport very convenient and much easier than going to Brisbane. Unfortunately there are not as many flights to choose from as Brisbane. For people from Caloundra or Noosa the airport is quite a trek so I understand if they just go to Brisbane anyway. The time (and probably financial) penalties from connecting in Sydney or Melbourne probably make the airport uncompetitive for wider travel. I have never heard of anyone using a connection from MCY. More routes would probably make it more attractive, however I doubt there is any money to be made from them. For a lot of people you are going to SYD or MEL and the flight times have to suit and the fare has to be reasonable.

It always surprised me that Qantas did not return to MCY with a daily flight for the Noosa crowd.

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http://m.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/lifestyle/m-airport-redevelopment-plan-takes-off/story-fnjdow5o-1227431203166 With the Gold Coast Airport redevelopment going ahead. Time to rethink transport to and from. Making the double deckers (777) redundant and replacing them with low floor Hybrid Wi-Fi enabled articulated busses. (Keeping the same route number 777).

^ Surfside will not be acquiring artics - they have an institutional hatred of them dating back to the late 80's and early 90s.  It would take a change of operator to change that, and clearly current policy means this will not happen.

Plus, they are more expensive to buy than the deckers, more expensive to operate under the present industrial arrangements, and frankly aren't necessary for the 777.  The deckers just need to have some of the bottom deck seating behind the stairwell taken out and replaced with luggage racks.

If you were going to run artics anywhere, it would be on the 700.

It only needs to take direction from TransLink to change the status quo. They can't be anymore expensive then buying a double decker with training. Double decker busses are just not suited to mass transit in today's world. Articulated are a good transition mode before the light rail extension south. If you think the 700 is suited to articulated then it should be pursued, as well as running them on the 777 route. The Gold Coast Hwy is reasonably straight and flat good for articulated.

Quote from: verbatim9 on July 07, 2015, 15:42:57 PM
It only needs to take direction from TransLink to change the status quo. They can't be anymore expensive then buying a double decker with training. Double decker busses are just not suited to mass transit in today's world. Articulated are a good transition mode before the light rail extension south. If you think the 700 is suited to articulated then it should be pursued, as well as running them on the 777 route. The Gold Coast Hwy is reasonably straight and flat good for articulated.

The double decks are at least $100,000 cheaper than available artic models from the major suppliers and take up considerably less space in depots and on the road.  Do you think TransLink is in a rush to spend money anywhere at the moment, let alone on a corridor which really doesn't need it?

Somebody better tell Hong Kong they are doing everything wrong by the way... :)

Quote from: SurfRail on July 07, 2015, 16:36:32 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on July 07, 2015, 15:42:57 PM
It only needs to take direction from TransLink to change the status quo. They can't be anymore expensive then buying a double decker with training. Double decker busses are just not suited to mass transit in today's world. Articulated are a good transition mode before the light rail extension south. If you think the 700 is suited to articulated then it should be pursued, as well as running them on the 777 route. The Gold Coast Hwy is reasonably straight and flat good for articulated.

The double decks are at least $100,000 cheaper than available artic models from the major suppliers and take up considerably less space in depots and on the road.  Do you think TransLink is in a rush to spend money anywhere at the moment, let alone on a corridor which really doesn't need it?

Somebody better tell Hong Kong they are doing everything wrong by the way... :)

As far as I know Hong Kong don't design their PT around a anti discrimination or disabitly act. Low floor articulated bus are far better suited in this instance as well as fast boarding and  disembarking at stops. Its called future proofing especially with the comm games coming up.

Double deckers suited to a tourist town like the Gold Coast.  Bus stop architecture and ramps giving access to the lower deck, with provision there for wheelchairs, would meet DDA requirements.

Realize that Double Deckers do have disability provisions here in Australia. But exactly how you quoted "Double Deckers a tourist bus" not a mass transit bus. The 777 is a limited stop bus anyway from Broadbeach beach to OOL. If the stops are not long enough they can be  easily modified.

Just checked the 777. There does not appear to be stops in Tugun or Currumbin...

Quote from: LD Transit on July 07, 2015, 18:40:01 PM
Just checked the 777. There does not appear to be stops in Tugun or Currumbin...

Yes Limited Stops

Quote from: LD Transit on July 07, 2015, 18:40:01 PM
Just checked the 777. There does not appear to be stops in Tugun or Currumbin...

This is because the stops along Golden Four Drive in Tugun/Currumbin are covered by route 760 and these locations are primarily low-density suburbia, hence do not warrant the high frequency of the 777 (particularly when the 700 already exists here). The 777's purpose is to quickly get the tourists up to the locations which they care about (i.e. Broadbeach and Surfers Paradise via LRT).

I would say that double-decker is fine on this route, and in fact, this is probably one of the most suitable routes for it in SEQ. You have a large amount of people getting on at the origin (Broadbeach, and pax feeding in from the north) and all getting off at the terminus (Airport) with few passengers interested in getting on/off at in between points (Burleigh would probably be the only exception). Fast boarding in this case is not much of a big deal. It also has the tourist appeal as it stands out.

As I've mentioned in other threads though, if they're exclusively on the airport runs, I'd like to see the buses painted in 'Airport Express' livery, with stops painted in this way just like they are with the CityGlider in Brisbane. Combine this with a few luggage racks and proper branding, I honestly think the GC would have a better airport PT option than Brisbane.

Quote from: LD Transit on July 07, 2015, 18:40:01 PM
Just checked the 777. There does not appear to be stops in Tugun or Currumbin...

Been this way for some time now.  Last stop is in Palm Beach.

Even when it was the "all-stops" 702 to Southport, the last stop was at Currumbin Hill, then straight down the highway to the airport non-stop (the local buses have always gone via Currumbin Sanctuary and Teemangum St through Tugun and on to Golden Four Drive.

Brisbanetimes --> Archerfield Airport wins three-year master plan battle (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/archerfield-airport-wins-threeyear-master-plan-battle-20150713-gib5ab.html)

Brisbanetimes --> Gold Coast Airport set for $200m upgrade (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gold-coast-airport-set-for-200-million-upgrade-before-games-20150718-gier11.html)

That's news from a couple of weeks ago as I posted on the forum about the bus service 777 to change from Double Deckers to low floor diesel hybrid articulated with Wi-Fi
But I guess being published by Fairfax media must be official!? Other than News Ltd

Looks good though! The aero Bridges will be handy, but not until early 2020. Wonder of HSR will be on track by then or the Gold Coast line extended to OOL for expected demand ?

Quote from: verbatim9 on July 18, 2015, 20:13:53 PM
Looks good though! The aero Bridges will be handy, but not until early 2020. Wonder of HSR will be on track by then or the Gold Coast line extended to OOL for expected demand ?

We're not even going to have Stage 2 of the GCLRT ready by then probably, yet alone the GC line being extended to OOL. This is Queensland.

My favourite part about this project is that it will only cope with growth until 2023. Only 3 years of finished construction before another expansion is required. Queenslander! :fp:

Couriermail --> Gold Coast Airport ILS plan opposed by Qantas, Jetstar (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gold-coast-airport-ils-plan-opposed-by-qantas-jetstar/story-fnihsrf2-1227447093686)

QuoteA CONTROVERSIAL new aircraft landing system and flight path proposed for Gold Coast Airport has been dealt what could be a fatal blow, with Qantas and Jetstar shooting down the plan.

Airport bosses want the $10 million instrument landing system (ILS) to allow planes to land in bad weather and avoid diversions to Brisbane, inconveniencing tourists and locals alike.

But the system would require a new flight path over the heavily populated northern Gold Coast, affecting thousands of residents.

Residents have rallied against the ILS, and the Gold Coast City Council last month voted against it in the face of growing public outcry.

Now the Qantas/Jetstar group has added its powerful voice to the chorus of opposition against the ILS ...

More  --> http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gold-coast-airport-ils-plan-opposed-by-qantas-jetstar/story-fnihsrf2-1227447093686

The ILS isn't controversial, its installation is.

Such poor writing. :fp:

I suspect this is protectionism at work (ie they don't want slots at OOL being taken up from new international / Asian carriers who would be likely to approach from the north and would prefer an ILS).

Quote from: James on July 18, 2015, 23:31:52 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on July 18, 2015, 20:13:53 PM
Looks good though! The aero Bridges will be handy, but not until early 2020. Wonder of HSR will be on track by then or the Gold Coast line extended to OOL for expected demand ?

We're not even going to have Stage 2 of the GCLRT ready by then probably, yet alone the GC line being extended to OOL. This is Queensland.

My favourite part about this project is that it will only cope with growth until 2023. Only 3 years of finished construction before another expansion is required. Queenslander! :fp:

The airport has a masterplan to 2031 and as far as I know this is consistent with it.  The expansion is to the south and can be staged as needed - and when it is up and running, they can go back and carry out some serious works on the existing terminal.

The 2031 version is meant to be able to support 20m passenger movements per year IIRC, which is more than half of what BNE currently handles.

It's dangerous to have planes flying around in bad weather trying to land with improper landing guides. Especially in a city with tall buildings.

Quote from: SurfRail on July 19, 2015, 09:32:18 AM
I suspect this is protectionism at work (ie they don't want slots at OOL being taken up from new international / Asian carriers who would be likely to approach from the north and would prefer an ILS).

Sort of right. What nobody mentions in this article (or in the comments) is that ILS increases the number of aircraft which can land per hour (and has flow on effects to the number of aircraft which can take off to). That means more aircraft can land and hence, more competition for airlines currently flying into OOL. It is in Qantas' best interest to keep long-haul passengers contained at BNE, as that is where Qantas gets most of its passenger feed and is more able to compete with foreign carriers there. Similarly, Jetstar faces more competition should they introduce an ILS.

In the whole scheme of things, an airline couldn't give a damn if they approach from the north/south. After flying 5,000km+, another 10km to circle and approach from the south is nothing.

Quote from: LD Transit on July 19, 2015, 09:34:59 AM
It's dangerous to have planes flying around in bad weather trying to land with improper landing guides. Especially in a city with tall buildings.

Right now the planes only cross the coast around Burleigh when landing from the north - well away from Surfers. There are air charts and so forth that pilots study prior to landing which list restricted air spaces due to building height. It really isn't a safety issue.

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Big news for @SunCoastAirport: @Qantas will fly between #SunshineCoast and #Sydney from December. Business flights start Feb 2016.

Some details in the Sunshine Coast Daily article - Aircraft will be a QantasLink 717 (operated by Cobham Australia).  QantasLink will RON (Remain Over Night) a 717 at MCY.

Unsure if QF will be scheduling a 2-class 717 (with Business and Economy), or the all-economy class 717.  The business timings (departing 0630 ex-MCY and another QFLink aircraft arriving MCY at 1815 before they RON the aircraft for the evening) suggests strongly they may send the 2-class a/c.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/qantas-fly-sunshine-coast-sydney-six-mornings-week/2714620/

Might have to go for a trip from Maroochy to Sydney! Have been wanting to travel on a B717 for a while now, perfect chance to do it!

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/smarter-flying-sees-qantas-back-to-sunshine-coast/

Flights brought forward to December 2015 (for the Holiday season) before the Business timings kick off in February 2016.
The QantasLink aircraft will be a 2-class 717 (with Q-Streaming), thus providing competition to Virgin for J (Business) class passengers on the MCY-SYD route.

Local SC media report that Qantas will offer business and economy class on aircraft with total of 110 passengers.  Early morning flight will take off at 6.40am for arrival Sydney at 9.15am.

Quote from: Stillwater on July 22, 2015, 17:54:24 PM
Local SC media report that Qantas will offer business and economy class on aircraft with total of 110 passengers.  Early morning flight will take off at 6.40am for arrival Sydney at 9.15am.

And as was reported in the SC Daily.  It's a 'QantasLink' branded Boeing 717 operated by Cobham Aviation Services Australia (a regional contractor with bases out of Adelaide and Sydney)

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Brisbanetimes --> New Brisbane Airport hotels break ground (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-brisbane-airport-hotels-break-ground-20150826-gj83h1.html)

It is great to see a monopoly on airport hotels... :hg

The hotels are managed by Accor not sure if the building is owned by Accor. Accor is a good brand they manage hotels well

I am a fan of Accor as well. However, having all the hotels in the airport precinct (Ibis Budget, Novotel, Ibis and Pullman) run by the same company is bad for consumers through a lack of competition and thus higher prices.

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 27, 2015, 16:09:40 PM
The hotels are managed by Accor not sure if the building is owned by Accor. Accor is a good brand they manage hotels well

I'm pretty sure the new hotels are owned by Scott and Anthony Flynn, who are also the owners of the existing Novotel.

Yes its up to the owners to which management group they go with but they have decided on Accor and may have got a good deal since they have the Hotel at DFO branded as Novotel. Like Shops at Westfield the more you have through the chain the better deal you have on rent. It's business! No doubt in the future Hilton Group or IHG group may also build a property within the Airport precinct as passenger numbers grow after the second runway is built.

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 28, 2015, 10:38:43 AM
Like Shops at Westfield the more you have through the chain the better deal you have on rent.

So Accor get a good deal on rent to boost their profits more? I very much doubt any savings would be passed on to consumers. Why would they be in a monopoly situation?

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Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane Airport's $45m international terminal refurbishment officially opens (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/brisbane-airports-45m-international-terminal-refurbishment-officially-opens-20151028-gkl2ti.html)

Sunshine Coast Daily --> Sunshine Coast Airport flood, money worries up in the air (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/flood-money-worries-in-the-air/2825700/)

Brisbanetimes --> Toowoomba's Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport to welcome first international flight (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/toowoombas-brisbane-west-wellcamp-airport-to-welcome-first-international-flight-20151105-gkr97w.html)

Brisbanetimes --> Qld welcomes Wellcamp airport's international link (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/southwest-queensland-welcomes-wellcamp-airports-international-link-20151105-gks08k.html)

Sunshine Coast Daily -->  Coast airport numbers gain altitude fast (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/coast-airport-numbers-gain-altitude-fast/2833374/)

Brisbanetimes --> Gold Coast airport in top three busiest airports over Christmas period (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gold-coast-airport-in-top-three-busiest-airports-over-christmas-period-20151222-glta20.html)

Light Rail would then be called for to Coolangatta. Much better than Double Decker polluting busses with no interior head room.

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 22, 2015, 16:35:01 PM
Light Rail would then be called for to Coolangatta. Much better than Double Decker polluting busses with no interior head room.

Please.  They have Euro V engines - the main components of the exhaust are water vapour and CO2, which is a lot cleaner than what Tarong etc burn to generate our electricity!

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QuoteQUEENSLAND'S newest airport will start flights from Toowoomba to Melbourne and Cairns next year.

The privately-built and operated Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport will introduce seven weekly return services to the southern capital and three times a week to far North Queensland from March.

The hub already handles 26 flights a week to and from Sydney ...

New Flights HKG-OOL-CNS-HKG loop

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/direct-flights-from-hong-kong-to-cairns-and-the-gold-coast-20160106-gm0iox.html

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2016/5/19/sunshine-coast-airport-project-readies-for-takeoff

JOINT STATEMENT
Premier and Minister for the Arts
The Honourable Annastacia Palaszczuk

Minister for State Development and Minister for Natural Resources and Mines
The Honourable Anthony Lynham

Thursday, May 19, 2016

Sunshine Coast airport project readies for take-off

The $347 million Sunshine Coast Airport runway expansion is poised for take-off, with the official environmental thumbs-up today.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said State Development Minister and Natural Resources and Mines Minister Dr Anthony Lynham was on the Sunshine Coast today to announce the Co-ordinator-General's environmental approval, bringing hundreds of jobs and business opportunities closer.

"This is a fantastic boost of confidence for the Sunshine Coast," the Premier said.

"My Government is committed to facilitating transport and tourism infrastructure investment because it means more jobs for Queenslanders.

"I firmly believe this expansion will help unlock the Sunshine Coast's unlimited potential."

Dr Lynham said the Coordinator-general's approval is great news for Sunshine Coast business, community leaders and the tourism industry.

"This project opens up the region to more national and international destinations such as Singapore and Perth and has the potential to bring almost half a million more visitors a year to the coast by 2040," Dr Lynham said.

"Most importantly, this will generate 1500 more ongoing jobs by 2040, more than 80 construction jobs and an estimated $140 million-plus boost to regional economic activity during construction.

"That represents business opportunities for local construction, manufacturing and professional services companies in the region."

Dr Lynham said conditions and recommendations set on the project would manage potential aircraft noise, protect flora and fauna habitat, and water quality, particularly in the sensitive Maroochy River and Mount Colum National Park.

The expansion includes:

    a new 2450 metre long by 45 metre wide east-west runway, capable of servicing aircraft such as the Airbus A330, Boeing 787 and Boeing 777
    proposed changes to airspace and flight paths
    two end taxiway loops, navigational aids and expansion of the existing apron
    an air traffic control tower and aircraft rescue and fire-fighting services station.

Dr Lynham said that with the new runway aircraft movements were forecast to grow by 20 per cent to 38,270 by 2020 and a further 30 per cent to 53,480 by 2040, making Sunshine Coast Airport a similar size to Mackay and Newcastle airports.

"Modelling indicates that, by 2040, the realigned east-west runway could result in almost 5000 fewer dwellings affected by aircraft noise than if the north-south runway had been extended," he said.

"The conditions and recommendations also require the airport to effectively monitor and report aircraft noise, and address any possible increases, in consultation with residents. The airport has given commitments to do this."

The approval includes 88 conditions and 29 recommendations, drawn up after the Coordinator-General considered 2,227 submissions as well as the environmental impact statement (EIS) and additional EIS information.

The next stage for the project is Federal Government approvals from the Department of Environment, Airservices Australia and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

Read more about the EIS at http://statedevelopment.qld.gov.au/sunshine-coast-airport-expansion

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane Airport terminal expansion delayed by slowing regional growth (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/brisbane-airport-terminal-expansion-delayed-by-slowing-regional-growth-20161004-gruqax.html)

QuoteA major expansion to Brisbane Airport's domestic terminal has been put on hold following a downturn in regional travel.

The construction of the terminal's 2000 square metre, $140 million northern regional satellite terminal, which would be connected to the existing terminal through a 300-metre covered walkway, would increase the number of domestic gates from 61 to 72.Construction of the satellite terminal, which would be the biggest expansion since the domestic terminal opened in 1988, was due to begin this year.

But Brisbane Airport Corporation spokeswoman Leonie Vandeven said construction had been delayed, due largely to slowing demand associated with a decline in the resources sector.

"Due to softening in the growth of the regional market, the project will now be delivered in stages between 2018 and 2021 in line with forecast demand for both regional and mainline routes," she said.  ...

The slowing of regional air travel is clear proof how much the domestic airlines are intentionally keeping airfares high, despite how low the cost of fuel is. 

It would be a lot more to do with the complete slump in demand for regional services due to mining projects moving from the build phase to the extraction phase. 

What that means is the existing hardstand arrangements will be fine for the time being and they can do something else with the outlay in the next few years.

Brisbanetimes --> Sunshine Coast Airport upgrade gets $181m (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/sunshine-coast-airport-upgrade-gets-181m-20161117-gsryia.html)

QuoteA major upgrade of the Sunshine Coast Airport is getting closer to take-off, with the federal government committing $181 million to the project.

The money will be provided in a concessional loan to help finance construction of a new 2.45km runway to cater for larger aircraft, and extensions of the airport's terminal.

Sunshine Coast mayor Mark Jamieson told reporters at the airport on Thursday the funding removes any doubt about the future of the project.

"It reinforces very favourably with the bidders who are currently involved in our expression of interest process, which we hope to have finalised also in the next couple of weeks," Mr Jamieson said.

Up until this stage our ability to participate in international tourism has been severely limited by access. This new airport will solve that problem."

The upgrade will open up the region to more international and domestic destinations and deliver more than 1500 direct jobs.

In particular the mayor hopes the upgraded airport attracts visitors from the lucrative south-east Asian and Chinese markets.

"We talk in Queensland tourism of having a million Chinese customers by 2020. Well we surpassed that this year, so by 2020 it might be five million," Mr Jamieson said.

"A modest share of that coming into the Sunshine Coast would make a huge difference."

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane's new airport set to emerge from the sand (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbanes-new-airport-set-to-emerge-from-the-sand-20170114-gtrj38.html)

QuoteWork will begin this year on transforming Queensland's "largest sandpit" at Brisbane Airport into the newest gateway to Australia - a facility with the same capacity as busy Singapore Airport.

The sandy area – more than eight metres deep in some places and three kilometres long – will become Brisbane's $1.4 billion new parallel runway by September 2020.

The weight of the 11 million cubic metres of sand has already acted like a giant sponge drawing out water for the past two years.

"Parts of this site have settled almost three metres," Brisbane's New Parallel Runway project director Paul Coughlan said.

"The water loss and settlement has slowed dramatically so that is why we are now ready to begin construction, because what is called your 'primary settlement' has occurred," he said.

The runway will mean the number of landings and departures from Brisbane Airport will increase from 227,000 flights a year to 360,000 by 2035 and up to half a million flights a year by 2045.

The first of three new projects to begin this year is a major underpass behind the Domestic Terminal allowingfor road traffic to pass underneath and aircraft to cross between the old and new runways.

The $120 million Drynadra Road's winning tender is expected to be announced within weeks and construction will begin in March 2017. Preparation work is already underway. ...

Be a great asset to the Airport

SEQ Rail TransApex

Higher-Speed GC, SSC and Toowoomba

All with connections to SSC Airport, GC Airport, Brisbane West Airport

Win...Win.....and Win!

Adding billions in capacity and functionality to our tourism and other business sectors AND serving communities better too.

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane Airport signs $25m bus contract ahead of proposed monorail (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aviation/brisbane-airport-signs-25m-bus-contract-ahead-of-proposed-monorail-20170605-gwkwk2.html)

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A Carbridge Toro electric bus at Sydney Airport. Photo: Sydney Airport

QuoteElectric buses will ferry passengers between Brisbane Airport's domestic and international terminals until at least 2022, under a $25 million contract signed this week.

The $25 million, five-year contract with Carbridge would include a fleet of 11 electric buses that would come into full operation in February.

The contract, awarded after a competitive tender process, gave the Sydney-based company exclusive rights to build, operate and maintain the Brisbane Airport bus fleet.

But it could be the last five-year deal for such a service, with a monorail system set to be introduced as soon as 2022.

The monorail, which would be able to handle up to 3200 passengers an hour in both directions, formed an integral part of Brisbane Airport Corporation's 2014 master plan.

The monorail would provide a link between the domestic and international terminals, along with car parking facilities.

"Due to existing site constraints, the track design would be predominantly elevated," the report says.

"Station design would be integrated with the terminals and would include safety design measures such as automated vehicle and platform doors, cameras and access provisions for mobility impaired passengers."

It was expected to be up and running by the mid-2020s.

A BAC spokeswoman said those plans had not altered since 2014, but the airport's new master plan, due towards the end of this year, could see some revisions.

In the meantime, Carbridge's fleet of electric buses would link the two terminals, as well as the Skygate precinct near Southern Cross Way.

Brisbane Airport parking and transport services head Martin Ryan was keen to spruik the fleet's environmental credentials. 

"The new fleet will be super quiet and environmentally clean, having reduced noise pollution and zero tail pipe emissions," he said.

"In fact, swapping out our current fleet for electric buses will result in a reduction of 250 tonnes of carbon emissions each year, equivalent to taking 100 cars off the road."

The bus interiors would be designed specifically for passengers, Mr Ryan said, with luggage racks and three full-size double doors, which would make boarding and disembarking more efficient.

"Technology and innovation is also interwoven into the vehicles, with GPS next-stop announcements, driver monitoring and real-time tracking data, meaning issues can be immediately identified and responded to in real time," Mr Ryan added.

Carbridge chief executive Luke Todd said the company's Toro election buses were powered by BYD batteries and built with a lightweight aluminium bus body.

"The Carbridge Toro is statistically the world's best electric bus with a driving range of 600 kilometres on a single charge," he said.

"The buses use kinetic power regeneration technology to produce charge as the buses decelerate.

"This advanced technology further reduces battery recharging frequency as power generation is created by the buses whilst in motion."

Carbridge and BAC have a relationship that stretched back to 2008, Mr Todd said.

Meanwhile, across town at Archerfield Airport, Basair Aviation College has been confirmed as the new occupier of the former Royal Queensland Aero Club premises.

Basair provided flight training for Griffith University's graduate diploma, Boeing's pilot development program and diploma courses where students may be eligible for vocational education and training student loans.

The RQAC premises had been vacant since the club went into voluntary administration in March 2016. 

Archerfield Airport Corporation general manager Heather Mattes said there was significant interest in leasing the premises, which was in a prime airside location fronting Beatty Road and close to the main terminal building.

"AAC is actively working with industry partners and improving airport infrastructure to help secure the future of general aviation in Queensland, so it is very encouraging to see a strong level of interest in this building and facilities," she said.

"AAC has been guided by independent recommendations by Jones Lange LaSalle regarding the future tenancy of the former RQAC premises, and welcomes the expansion of Basair at the airport."

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A monorail forms part of Brisbane Airport's master plan. Photo: BAC

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Doubt the "monorail" will be a monorail. Probably an automated guided transit system.
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That's what I reckon something similar to that of the Airport at Seattle regarding terminal transfers

YouTube Video (https://youtu.be/-QZ9thZLzJo)

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Those buses are awfully laid out inside - the steps to reach the rear are stupidly high because of whatever layout the battery packs are in.

The Bustech one is flatter than virtually everything else on the road up the back, but only one built to date (with 2 coming for Adelaide).

They might have a different interior layout for Brisbane Airport specifications?

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They might have a different interior layout for Brisbane Airport specifications?

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Can't imagine why.  Carbridge was responsible for the design and they run the only other examples at Sydney Airport.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com....-new-deal-20170829-p4yvm4.html

^^Brisbane Times article pertaining to the new Qantas Base in Brisbane for the 787's Dreamliners

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3rd October 2017

Media Release
JOINT STATEMENT
Premier and Minister for the Arts
The Honourable Annastacia Palaszczuk

Minister for State Development and Minister for Natural Resources and Mines
The Honourable Dr Anthony Lynham

Brisbane Airport to be world leader for biojet fuel

Brisbane is set to become one of a handful of hubs around the world for sustainable aviation fuel, under an agreement supported by the Palaszczuk Government between Virgin Australia and US-based biofuel producer Gevo.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said the biojet trial was yet another show of confidence in Queensland's growing biofuel industry.

"Biojet is a proven fuel source, one that is already bringing Virgin Australia flights into Brisbane from Los Angeles," the Premier said.

"By establishing Brisbane Airport as a biojet refuelling port, we can help open another key market for our cane farmers and biofuture pioneers alike."

The Palaszczuk Government has already signed a biofuel agreement with the US Navy as part of its Great Green Fleet initiative, which is a commitment by the US to source 50% of its fuel needs from renewable sources by 2020.

"The biorefinery projects currently under development across Queensland have the potential to create 1100 jobs when they are operational," the Premier said.

"To get up and running, industrial-scale biorefinieries need a critical mass of customers to supply.

"That's why it's vital to get big industries like aviation and defence on board as potential customers."

State Development Minister Dr Anthony Lynham said biojet can be produced from a range of organic materials, including sugarcane bagasse, molasses, wood waste and agave.

"Some of the existing refinery projects being developed in Queensland will have the capability to produce biofuel for commercial aviation," Dr Lynham said.

"This partnership between the Virgin Australia Group and Gevo, Inc. has the potential to draw even more proponents into the industry, as demand for biofuels grows.

"That means more demand for sugar cane, and more jobs in agriculture and biofutures across our regions."

Work on using biojet as a complementary fuel source to conventional jet aviation fuel has been underway for more than a decade, and the fuel is now being supplied at airports at Oslo and Los Angeles, including on Virgin Australia's services from Los Angeles to Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane.

Dr Lynham said that the project showed the Queensland Government's Biofutures Roadmap was paying dividends.

"Queensland has a vision for a $1 billion biofutures sector by 2026," Dr Lynham said.

"Since the launch of our Biofutures Roadmap in June 2016 we have directly supported 15 new biofutures projects, including today's announcement.

"Queensland's bio-industrial revolution is here, and the dividends it's going to pay our state in jobs and economic growth will mean a greener and more prosperous future for all Queenslanders."

Virgin Australia Group CEO John Borghetti said this initiative built on Virgin Australia's commitment to be a leader in the commercialisation of the sustainable aviation fuel industry in Australia.

"The agreement announced today is critical to testing the fuel supply chain infrastructure in Australia to ensure that Virgin Australia and Brisbane Airport are ready for the commercial supply of these exciting fuels," Mr Borghetti said.

Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) Acting CEO Stephen Goodwin said the initiative was clearly aligned with BAC's strategy to reduce energy consumption and carbon emissions produced as a result of airport operations.

"Energy efficiency and increased use of renewable energies are the foundations of BAC's emissions reduction program, so we are enthusiastic supporters of this initiative as it will help reduce Brisbane Airport's carbon footprint even further by assisting the airlines to reduce their emissions," Mr Goodwin said.

"We applaud the Queensland State Government, Virgin Australia and Gevo Inc for their foresight and commitment to sustainability and we're pleased to be affiliated with this exciting partnership and the home base for this world-first initiative."

CEO of Gevo, Inc., Dr Patrick Gruber, said that although his company would initially supply jet fuel from its hydrocarbon plant based in Texas, and derived from isobutanol produced at its commercial isobutanol plant located in Minnesota, there would be significant opportunities for production in Queensland.

"When I visited Queensland last year for the Biofutures Industry Forum, I discovered the depth and diversity of your agriculture sector," Dr Gruber said.

"We believe Queensland offers huge potential for low-cost sugar feedstocks to produce biofuels. It really opened our eyes to Queensland's potential for sustainable aviation fuels based on Gevo's alcohol-to-jet technology."

The partnership has received positive recognition from the aviation sector's global peak body, the International Air Transport Association (IATA).

"We applaud the policy vision of the Queensland Government to support aviation's desire to advance the deployment of sustainable jet fuel," said the CEO of IATA, Alexandre de Juniac, from the IATA offices in Switzerland.

"Effective collaboration between airlines, producers, airports and policy makers is crucial to accelerate the deployment of sustainable jet fuel and this project is a great example that can benefit the entire industry."

Video simulation of the new driverless Metro linking the Bne airport precinct shown and mentioned here


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Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport sees biggest increase in passengers for 5 years (https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/brisbane-airport-sees-biggest-increase-in-passengers-for-5-years/news-story/46092d1bcaabc05029a9df91a8fceadb)

QuoteBRISBANE Airport has recorded its biggest increase in domestic passengers in five years and a string of new services is expected to push numbers up even further over the next 12 months.

Almost 263,000 extra people flew in and out of the growing hub from other parts of the country in 2017-18, figures show. And international traffic rose by nearly 6 per cent, with boosted capacity to and from China and Hong Kong leading the way.

Brisbane Airport Corporation CEO Gert-Jan de Graaff said the international market was being driven by economic and population growth – and unique tourist attractions in the state.

"This is why BAC aggressively competes to attract new airlines, bigger and more efficient aircraft and additional flights from our city to unserved destinations," Mr de Graaff said.

He said the airport would continue to ramp up facilities and services in the lead-up to the opening of a new runway in 2020.

International arrival and departure numbers climbed by just over 300,000 to 5.89 million during 2017-18.

China and Hong Kong was up 20 per cent thanks to additional direct flights including daily China Eastern services to Shanghai, the introduction of Hainan Airlines flights to Shenzen, an Air China route to Beijing and expanded aircraft capacity on others.

Passengers to and from Malaysia increased 19.6 per cent and the Indian market was up 14.7 per cent, topping 100,000 passengers for the first time.

That is expected to keep rising with more weekly Singapore Airlines flights offering handy connections through Changi Airport.

Domestic passengers rose 1.5 per cent to over 17.5 million, helped by more seats to Queensland regional destinations including Proserpine, Mackay and Townsville.

ID maybe required as from early as next year for Domestic flights in and out of Brisbane and other domestic airports.

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QuoteSecurity overhaul means domestic airline passengers must show identification if asked

Renee Viellaris, The Courier-Mail

September 12, 2018 12:00am


DOMESTIC passengers will need identification when flying out of 12 airports – including four in Queensland – as soon as next year's busy June/July school holidays under one of the biggest security crackdowns in decades.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton will introduce new laws into Parliament today after law-enforcement agencies warned airports remained a significant security liability.

The concerns were ramped up after wannabe terrorists allegedly tried to check in a meat grinder containing a hidden bomb on a flight from Sydney to Abu Dhabi in July last year.

Long security screening line at Brisbane Airport. Picture: Liam Kidston

The Australian Federal Police and spy agencies have also warned that bikies and other organised criminals travel domestically under fake names. Unlike other countries, passengers do not need to show ID when flying within Australia.

It will mean passengers using Brisbane, Cairns, Gold Coast, Townsville, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Darwin, Hobart, Launceston and Alice Springs airports may be asked to show ID.

The Police Powers at Airports Bill will expand police powers at all major Australian airports.

Police will only ask passengers to show ID if they believe they are acting suspiciously or have intelligence about that passenger.

Bne to have ILS operational when the new runway is open by 2020

QuoteThis is a great outcome for Bne especially in the winter months when there is poor visibility due to heavy fog.

https://youtu.be/wvXSVB9yVmA

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1100059469206020096

Quote from: ozbob on February 26, 2019, 01:53:25 AM
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Good Public transport frequency and hours as well to and from. https://t.co/Wo0LXtboHN

Non-stop flights to Europe and US coming within a decade and better Public Transport to and from the Airport says Brisbane Airport boss


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QuoteNon-stop flights to Europe and US coming within a decade says Brisbane Airport boss
Glen Norris, The Courier-Mail
February 28, 2019 8:16pm
Subscriber only
NON-STOP flights from Brisbane to major destinations such as London and New York will be possible within the decade as part of a shift away from major aviation hubs.

Brisbane Airport Corporation Gert-Jan de Graaff said a new generation of aircaft able to fly longer distances will negate the need for passengers to stopover in traditional hubs such as Hong Kong, Singapore or Dubai.

"Aircraft are becoming more fuel efficient and lighter so these long-haul routes will become a possibility," said Mr de Graaff. "We are a city of 2.5 million people so we are not huge but we are in the right position for these long-haul flights."

City's $1m-a-day runway taking shape

Qantas has been flying Perth-to-London direct flights since last year on its Dreamliner and has foreshadowed a 20-hour Sydney-to-London service by 2022. Such ultra-long-haul trips are attractive to business-class passengers because they do not require a lay over.

The plans come as Brisbane Airport continues work on its $1.3 billion parallel runway, which will give it a similar capacity to Singapore and Hong Kong airports when it is completed next year. "We currently have the capacity to handle 50 aircraft movements an hour but with the new runway we can increase that to over 100," said Mr de Graaff.

But he said better access to the airport would be needed in the years ahead. "The roads around the airport are perfect but we will be going from 25 million to 60 million passengers a year so will need more roads and better public transport," he said.

Quote from: verbatim9 on March 01, 2019, 14:46:02 PM
Non-stop flights to Europe and US coming within a decade and better Public Transport to and from the Airport says Brisbane Airport boss


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QuoteNon-stop flights to Europe and US coming within a decade says Brisbane Airport boss
Glen Norris, The Courier-Mail
February 28, 2019 8:16pm
Subscriber only
NON-STOP flights from Brisbane to major destinations such as London and New York will be possible within the decade as part of a shift away from major aviation hubs.

Brisbane Airport Corporation Gert-Jan de Graaff said a new generation of aircaft able to fly longer distances will negate the need for passengers to stopover in traditional hubs such as Hong Kong, Singapore or Dubai.

"Aircraft are becoming more fuel efficient and lighter so these long-haul routes will become a possibility," said Mr de Graaff. "We are a city of 2.5 million people so we are not huge but we are in the right position for these long-haul flights."

City's $1m-a-day runway taking shape

Qantas has been flying Perth-to-London direct flights since last year on its Dreamliner and has foreshadowed a 20-hour Sydney-to-London service by 2022. Such ultra-long-haul trips are attractive to business-class passengers because they do not require a lay over.

The plans come as Brisbane Airport continues work on its $1.3 billion parallel runway, which will give it a similar capacity to Singapore and Hong Kong airports when it is completed next year. "We currently have the capacity to handle 50 aircraft movements an hour but with the new runway we can increase that to over 100," said Mr de Graaff.

But he said better access to the airport would be needed in the years ahead. "The roads around the airport are perfect but we will be going from 25 million to 60 million passengers a year so will need more roads and better public transport," he said.

Quote"The roads around the airport are perfect but we will be going from 25 million to 60 million passengers a year so will need more roads and better public transport," he said.

^^Well that's a good sign. The Airport needs Council buses running to the Airport until 0100 am each morning like Perth.

More trains after 8pm wouldn't  go astray.

After Years of planning ILS goes live at the Gold Coast Airport to help planes take off and land in bad weather

Gold Coast Bulletin------------------------------------------------------->https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/lifestyle/ils-technology-at-gold-coast-airport-being-hailed-a-win-even-by-harshest-opponent/news-story/a818befdf52ecfb39ee228a21557a26a

QuoteILS technology at Gold Coast Airport being hailed a win even by harshest opponent
Luke Mortimer, Gold Coast Bulletin
March 1, 2019 12:00am
Subscriber only
A "milestone" day for Gold Coast Airport with new landing technology turned on is being hailed a "win" for the city even by its biggest opponent.

The new Instrument Landing System (ILS) was turned on yesterday guaranteeing landings in poor conditions — but involving a controversial new approach over homes from Surfers Paradise to Currumbin.

Gold Coast Lifestyle Association John Hicks, who fought ILS plans for three years said a "sensible balance has been struck" over the flight path.

DOZENS OF PLANES TO USE ILS AT GOLD COAST AIRPORT


The Instrument Landing System (ILS) has been officially switched on at the Gold Coast Airport. Picture: Jerad Williams
Amidst lengthy negotiations with Airservices Australia, his association managed a win against the aviation organisation before the Administrative Appeals Tribunal in 2017.

The tribunal decision means the ILS and its accompanying flight path can only be used by pilots to land safely in bad weather, or when required due to operational or emergency requirements.

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Mr Hicks conceded it was strange for him to welcome a project he originally opposed wholesale but he considered the end result a "win for the community".


Airservices Australia Northern Operations Manager Doug Scott. Picture: Jerad Williams
"From our association's point of view, we're very happy we've received a great outcome for the community regarding the restrictions to the ILS."

TOURISM BOSS SAYS ILS IMPLEMENTATION A 'GREAT' DAY FOR COAST

Mr Hicks said "worst-case scenario", between 6am and 11pm about "55 flights could use the ILS flight path", the average number of daily flights.

He called it a reasonable outcome, considering the original proposal to use ILS without restrictions.

The ILS costs $10 million but the only visible signs of it are a series of orange and white antennas and a diminutive building.


Gold Coast Airport Operations and Service Delivery General Manager Brett Curtis said its implementation marked a "significant" milestone. Picture: Jerad Williams
Installing the system was a joint airport and Airservices Australia effort.

The ILS will be used by pilots to safely land but it's up to individual pilot discretion whether they take advantage of the system.

Updated peak at the Gold Coast Airport redevelopment

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QuoteAEROBRIDGES will be built at Gold Coast Airport as part of its $370 million redevelopment.

Airport bosses will today unveil the new terminal and a raft of incredible features, which include building a third storey on the building.

The aerobridges will be built to the south of the current terminal as part of an expansion, which is set to begin in coming months.


An artist's impression of the Gold Coast Airport upgrade. Picture: Supplied
Queensland Airports Limited chief executive Chris Mills said the development would give the terminal a new lease of life.

"Gold Coast Airport looks after 6.6 million passengers a year, and this will more than double by 2037," he said.

"The existing terminal is currently operating beyond capacity. This expansion will not only help us meet demand, it will create an entry point to the city, befitting the nation's leading tourism region."

Around 1500 jobs will be created as part of the construction process.


Airport boss Chris Mills. Picture Glenn Hampson
The new terminal will double the floor area of the existing terminal and offer more flexibility to service domestic and international services, depending on demand.

It is expected to open to passengers in 2021.

By 2037 the airport will contribute $818 million annually to the region and support around 20,000 full time jobs.

Property and infrastructure group Lendlease will today be appointed as the project's developer.

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An artist's impression of the Gold Coast Airport upgrade. Picture: Supplied
The expansion is the next stage of the airport precinct's upgrade which began last year with the creation of more parking ahead of the Commonwealth Games.

The first sod was recently turned on the $50 million Rydges hotel at the airport.

Tourism Minister Kate Jones said the project would support growth of the sector on the Gold Coast.

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"First impressions are everything. That's why this project is so important when it comes to giving tourists a great experience on the Gold Coast," she said.

"We also know that ensuring tourists have easy access to the Coast is crucial when it comes to growing the local tourism industry.

"We will continue to work with the Gold Coast Airport to secure more flights direct to the city in the future."

Originally published as First look: Gold Coast Airport's $370m revamp

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Domestic Terminal upgrade.

Managed to get some updated pics of the renovations in the Domestic terminal, formally the Qantas side and shared area. Nothing has started on the Virgin Pier as yet but I was told it's in the line for revamp after the Qantas and shared areas have been renovated. Lots of boarded up areas. Improvements to the Qantas food court and shared pier in the middle of the terminal, with Lord Lamington opening soon. New Optus vending machines spotted around selling phones and accessories. No tablets as yet. As previously stated by BAC; All gates will become shared gates in conjunction with the International terminal, allowing for flexible operations in the future (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/87ab3ed791027ea7de3be099967d01c2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/23a158a35fddcfeebab6875287a72553.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/d382771ef7a0a8422e3a482ee8729ca6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/5131a659de5f03be639a384c90c7e2b6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/d5c58175c651c6e2a2b4b6893614c65a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/6f9513129eb7ecb6922b9a7687f89615.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/0152bdef0560ca6c238d9e161e48c294.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/e1b73aa83e4eeb67e38f7840f2c8caab.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/dca0193420496a8a7dfdd9066db52517.jpg)
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Quote from: verbatim9;157475670Domestic Terminal upgrade.

As previously noted all gates will become shared gates in conjunction with the International terminal, allowing for flexible operations in the future.

^^Shared operations were in full swing in the early hours of Saturday morning with the International Terminal taking over Domestic operations due to the lengthy delays of flights from the day prior.

Quote from: verbatim9 on March 17, 2019, 13:37:51 PM^^Shared operations were in full swing in the early hours of Saturday morning with the International Terminal taking over Domestic operations due to the lengthy delays of flights from the day prior.

Are you sure about that one? Australia is very particular with both international arriving and departing passengers, with dedicated immigration facilities required for both and passengers required to clear customs at the port of entry. I could see a few swing gates being used like they have in Vancouver once the two terminals join up, but I couldn't forsee much beyond that.

Re: Saturday morning, domestic passengers using the international terminal would have either been bussed in, or given special stamps to allow them through as a one-off. I wouldn't call it 'full swing' by any means - irregular ops, yes.

^^Yep definitely.  It happens for scheduled domestic flights already. It's not strange for domestic flights to use international terminals in Australia. The aim is to have domestic and international share gates for future operations, when the new runway is up and running. Later terminal three will be built. They have laid the foundations for terminal 3 along with the new runway project. No doubt that Domestic and International will be renamed to Terminal 1 and 2 in line with other airports in Australia.

Sunshine Coast Daily --> New flight path plans for Coast's $347m airport revealed (https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/new-flight-path-plans-for-coasts-347m-airport-reve/3677181/)

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QuoteCOMMUNITY consultation will begin on proposed new flight paths as part of the Sunshine Coast Airport expansion.

The new runway will be able to be used in two modes, dependent on wind conditions.

Airservices Australia had been tasked by council to finalise the flight paths and has put the proposed paths out for community feedback.

An Airservices Australia fact sheet said wherever possible, changes to the flight paths that would deliver safety enhancements had been identified and balanced with minimising the effects of aircraft noise on the community "as far as practical".

Passenger jet aircraft would be the main users of the new flight paths, but "light aircraft may also use the same flight paths from time to time if they have the required on board satellite navigation equipment", the fact sheet read.

Most aircraft arriving on Runway 31 would remain over ocean, crossing the coastline at Mudjimba prior to landing.

Aircraft arriving on Runway 13 from the south and east would fly north of the airport between Castaways Beach and Marcus Beach, as well as Weyba Downs, Verrierdale and Yandina Creek.

Those coming from the north and west on Runway 13 would fly south-west of Cooroy, while some aircraft would join the flight path over Lake Cooroibah, turn south, fly over Tinbeerwah then join a flight path between Doonan and Eumundi.

Aircraft departing Runway 31 would take off over land, turn right and cross between Marcus Beach and Castaways Beach, while Runway 13 departures would fly directly over Mudjimba and head out over the ocean.

The public engagement program will run for six weeks, until Tuesday, April 30, with community sessions to be held around the region.

For information visit the Sunshine Coast Airport Expansion Project page (https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/Council/Planning-and-Projects/Major-Regional-Projects/Sunshine-Coast-Airport-Expansion-Project) on the council's website.

Quote from: ozbob on March 21, 2019, 01:18:36 AM
Sunshine Coast Daily --> New flight path plans for Coast's $347m airport revealed (https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/new-flight-path-plans-for-coasts-347m-airport-reve/3677181/)

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QuoteCOMMUNITY consultation will begin on proposed new flight paths as part of the Sunshine Coast Airport expansion.

The new runway will be able to be used in two modes, dependent on wind conditions.

Airservices Australia had been tasked by council to finalise the flight paths and has put the proposed paths out for community feedback.

An Airservices Australia fact sheet said wherever possible, changes to the flight paths that would deliver safety enhancements had been identified and balanced with minimising the effects of aircraft noise on the community "as far as practical".

Passenger jet aircraft would be the main users of the new flight paths, but "light aircraft may also use the same flight paths from time to time if they have the required on board satellite navigation equipment", the fact sheet read.

Most aircraft arriving on Runway 31 would remain over ocean, crossing the coastline at Mudjimba prior to landing.

Aircraft arriving on Runway 13 from the south and east would fly north of the airport between Castaways Beach and Marcus Beach, as well as Weyba Downs, Verrierdale and Yandina Creek.

Those coming from the north and west on Runway 13 would fly south-west of Cooroy, while some aircraft would join the flight path over Lake Cooroibah, turn south, fly over Tinbeerwah then join a flight path between Doonan and Eumundi.

Aircraft departing Runway 31 would take off over land, turn right and cross between Marcus Beach and Castaways Beach, while Runway 13 departures would fly directly over Mudjimba and head out over the ocean.

The public engagement program will run for six weeks, until Tuesday, April 30, with community sessions to be held around the region.

For information visit the Sunshine Coast Airport Expansion Project page (https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/Council/Planning-and-Projects/Major-Regional-Projects/Sunshine-Coast-Airport-Expansion-Project) on the council's website.

^^Flight path changes are inevitable. Even though it may affect some while relieving others of noise, the tourism and safety outcomes are beneficial. Over the long term planes are becoming quieter, emitting less noise and pollution over the surrounding environment.

New Therapy Dog for Townsville Airport to alleviate fear of flying for some passengers.


7News----------->


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1131821584170143744

New train station at Skygate together with new terminals at Brisbane Airport, according to the new proposed master plan. @BrisbaneAirport #7NEWS #brisbane


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1135462327581413376

Quote from: verbatim9 on June 03, 2019, 18:30:48 PM
New train station at Skygate together with new terminals at Brisbane Airport, according to the new proposed master plan. @BrisbaneAirport #7NEWS #brisbane


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1135462327581413376

They've been talking about Skygate station for ages, does this mean some progress on that front? I have my doubts that station is gonna go ahead any time soon,as much as I think it's a great idea. Too many weird politics about who would pay for it, how the fares would work, etc.

Quote from: verbatim9 on June 03, 2019, 18:30:48 PM
New train station at Skygate together with new terminals at Brisbane Airport, according to the new proposed master plan. @BrisbaneAirport #7NEWS #brisbane


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1135462327581413376

Brisbane Airport announces draft master plan


Couriermail-------------------->https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-announces-draft-master-plan/news-story/933a1fc3f3cc4c7b33f8c547fe6fbe8c

QuoteBrisbane Airport announces draft master plan
Brisbane Airport has revealed multi-billion dollar expansion plan to build as many as three new terminals as it prepares for passenger numbers to double.

Nic Darveniza, The Courier-Mail

June 4, 2019 5:46am

COURIERMAIL1:23
Brisbane Airport multibillion-dollar revamp (7 News)
New terminals and train stations, and more international flights are coming to Brisbane Airport...

Brisbane Airport's preliminary draft master plan for 2020 has revealed multi-billion dollar expansion plans to build as many as three new terminals in a major facelift for one of the country's busiest airports.

PricewaterhouseCoopers data estimates that Brisbane Airport will serve more than double their current 23 million passengers per year by 2040, necessitating a host of upgrades to prepare for future demand.

The north-south runway, which has been in development since the 1970s, was the first item on the agenda and is due to open in 2020.

Brisbane Airport executive general manager of aviation development Jim Parashos said the new runway would help transform the airport into one of Australasia's busiest.


Brisbane Airport has unveiled a draft master plan. Picture: Supplied
"The new runway will provide flexibility of scheduling throughout the day to meet every Queenslander's needs," Mr Parashos said.

"Our current single runway operation can handle 55 arrivals and departures combined per hour.

"In effect, when demand builds in a few years, we can handle 110 movements per hour, effectively doubling our capacity.

"That will make Brisbane one of the highest capacity airports in Australasia."

Brisbane Airport spokesman Steve Grant said future development plans included as many as three new terminals.

"We may possibly do international and domestic passengers under one roof in the future," he said.

"We see places like Hong Kong where you're able to check in, in the CBD and take public transport. That could be an opportunity for Brisbane Airport in the future.

"There are very similar systems in Europe and the United States to screen passengers so we can get them safely onto their aircraft."


A performance track will make up part of a new $85 million auto mall. Picture: Supplied
An $85 million auto mall — a shopping centre for car dealerships including Sci-Fleet and performance track for test drives — will open near the Airport in 2021.

The master plan will be open for public comment until August 21st.

Draft master plan can be found here------------>https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan

Quote from: timh on June 03, 2019, 23:59:07 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on June 03, 2019, 18:30:48 PM
New train station at Skygate together with new terminals at Brisbane Airport, according to the new proposed master plan. @BrisbaneAirport #7NEWS #brisbane


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1135462327581413376

They've been talking about Skygate station for ages, does this mean some progress on that front? I have my doubts that station is gonna go ahead any time soon,as much as I think it's a great idea. Too many weird politics about who would pay for it, how the fares would work, etc.

^^Members of the community have the opportunity to provide feedback on the ground transport plan. Its good to see Skygate station still an option in the Master plan. Community feedback is open until 21 Aug 19

QuoteThe 2020 Ground Transport Plan
also includes details of projects being
considered over the longer term. It
considers both a potential future mass
transit system and an opportunity to
work in partnership with Airtrain and the
Queensland Government on providing a
new train station at Skygate

QuoteAIRTRAIN SERVICES
Airtrain connects to the Brisbane CBD and to the Gold Coast
line via Eagle Junction. Weekday services commence at 5am,
running every 15 minutes during peak morning and afternoon.
times and every 30 minutes for the remainder of the day.
Airtrain is managed through an agreement between the
Queensland Government and Airtrain extending to the
year 2036. The agreement includes contract conditions that
restrict the introduction of competitive public transport services.
Government and key industry stakeholders agree that the
development of a new Airtrain station at Skygate would be
likely to increase the attractiveness of catching public
transport to commercial and industrial areas at the airport.
More information, including details of modelling work
demonstrating the potential extra public transport catchment
area of a new station can be found later in this chapter.

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Airport expansion: Jobs galore as work starts on massive project

Gold Coast Bulletin--------->https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/airport-on-the-grow-jobs-galore-as-work-starts-on-massive-project/news-story/ff8f9c7afe4a893525721481c6dd8060

QuoteAirport expansion: Jobs galore as work starts on massive project
Locals are predicted to be the big winners as foundation work begins this week on a massive redevelopment set to transform Gold Coast Airport.

Luke Mortimer, luke.mortimer1@news.com.au, Gold Coast Bulletin

July 15, 2019 5:47pm


A LANDMARK expansion of Gold Coast Airport will create 1500 jobs over two years and eventually double the footprint of the existing terminal.

The project includes aerobridges, extra shops, a new departure lounge and updated baggage handling and border control facilities.

In total, about $500 million will be invested into the airport precinct at Bilinga, including the redevelopment and the ongoing construction of Rydges airport hotel.

Foundation works for the new southern terminal expansion will begin this week, ahead of its expected opening in mid-2021.

Work will then begin on a refurbishment of the existing terminal.

Queensland Airports Limited chief executive Chris Mills said years of planning was involved and the "level of development activity is unprecedented".

"This project will change the face of the Gold Coast and northern New South Wales and deliver a gateway that Australia's leading tourism destination deserves," he said.

"Importantly, the project will address current capacity issues while paving the way for future passenger growth.

"From September this year, we will have three tower cranes onsite at the airport."

Mr Mills said the airport was working with Lendlease on "unique solutions" to make sure the airport continued to run smoothly during the construction of the terminal expansion.

Lendlease Building chief executive Dale Connor said building a 30,000 sqm expansion at one of Australia's fastest growing airports was "no easy feat".

"It requires careful programming and stakeholder engagement to ensure minimal disruption to day-to-day operations," he said.

"Together with the airport, we have developed innovative solutions to minimise disruption to passengers travelling through the airport and maintain construction progress.

"For example, we will create a temporary baggage tug tunnel to maintain our baggage handling operation while the three-level building is constructed over the top."

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, the Minister for Transport, said the Federal Government was working with airports to improve infrastructure ahead of an expected boom in tourist numbers.

"With almost seven million passengers expected next year, the airport and the region will benefit from this development for years to come," he said.

"This means more options for locals, and more visitors to the Gold Coast.

"Recently growth in international traffic with Singapore and New Zealand has been really ramping up, and South Korea connections will start later this year.

"This is why our government approved Gold Coast Airport's plans for this terminal development and a major hotel."

Member for McPherson Karen Andrews, whose electorate includes the airport, said the expansion was essential to cement the Glitter Strip's status as an "iconic tourist destination".

"This will be great for the local economy too, not just once the terminal opens, but also through the significant number of jobs in the construction phase," she said.

The southern terminal will house the airport's international operations, but will also be able to service domestic flights based on demand using a "swing gate system".

A total of 6.6 million passengers per year pass through Gold Coast Airport each year — a number set to more than double by 2037.

The airport states it will pump $818 million into the region and support 20,000 full-time jobs by 2037.

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The public comment period for the 2020 Brisbane Airport Preliminary Draft Master Plan closes at 5pm today.


Brisbane Airport ------>https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan (https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan)

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
The public comment period for the 2020 Brisbane Airport Preliminary Draft Master Plan closes at 5pm today.


Brisbane Airport ------>https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan (https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan)

I mentioned in my submission if the hours of the train could be addressed to run later to about 11.30pm or midnight. Also mentioned if they could complete Skygate station in conjunction with the opening of Cross River Rail by 2024. Especially if they want to run the line as  a separate spur? The station will give the opportunity for an extra passing loop which is needed to run more trains per hour.

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:47:48 AM

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
The public comment period for the 2020 Brisbane Airport Preliminary Draft Master Plan closes at 5pm today.


Brisbane Airport ------>https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan (https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan)

I mentioned in my submission if the hours of the train could be addressed to run later to about 11.30pm or midnight. Also mentioned if they could complete Skygate station in conjunction with the opening of Cross River Rail by 2024. Especially if they want to run the line as  a separate spur? The station will give the opportunity for an extra passing loop which is needed to run more trains per hour.

I doubt we'll get Skygate station with CRR, however I really think they should improve the frequency + hours of operation for Airtrain. No mucking around with passing loops though, the line should be fully duplicated (and should be have been built as dual track from the beginning)

Quote from: timh on August 21, 2019, 11:44:54 AM

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:47:48 AM

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
The public comment period for the 2020 Brisbane Airport Preliminary Draft Master Plan closes at 5pm today.


Brisbane Airport ------>https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan (https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan)

I mentioned in my submission if the hours of the train could be addressed to run later to about 11.30pm or midnight. Also mentioned if they could complete Skygate station in conjunction with the opening of Cross River Rail by 2024. Especially if they want to run the line as  a separate spur? The station will give the opportunity for an extra passing loop which is needed to run more trains per hour.

I doubt we'll get Skygate station with CRR, however I really think they should improve the frequency + hours of operation for Airtrain. No mucking around with passing loops though, the line should be fully duplicated (and should be have been built as dual track from the beginning)

I hope you express your views if not done already in a quick emailed submission.

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 11:51:15 AM

Quote from: timh on August 21, 2019, 11:44:54 AM

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:47:48 AM

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 21, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
The public comment period for the 2020 Brisbane Airport Preliminary Draft Master Plan closes at 5pm today.


Brisbane Airport ------>https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan (https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan)

I mentioned in my submission if the hours of the train could be addressed to run later to about 11.30pm or midnight. Also mentioned if they could complete Skygate station in conjunction with the opening of Cross River Rail by 2024. Especially if they want to run the line as  a separate spur? The station will give the opportunity for an extra passing loop which is needed to run more trains per hour.

I doubt we'll get Skygate station with CRR, however I really think they should improve the frequency + hours of operation for Airtrain. No mucking around with passing loops though, the line should be fully duplicated (and should be have been built as dual track from the beginning)

I hope you express your views if not done already in a quick emailed submission.

Done! :D

Virgin Australia unveils My Lounge at Brisbane International Airport


Couriermail-------->https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/virgin-australia-unveils-my-lounge-at-brisbane-international-airport/news-story/bbf9834e7e571fa08d165a0841dcde98 (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/virgin-australia-unveils-my-lounge-at-brisbane-international-airport/news-story/bbf9834e7e571fa08d165a0841dcde98)

Quote
Virgin Australia unveils My Lounge at Brisbane International Airport
Just days after announcing the loss of 750 jobs and a possible relocation of its headquarters away from Brisbane, Virgin Australia has a glamourous new multimillion-dollar facility at Brisbane Airport that even economy class travellers can access.

VIRGIN Airlines has taken the stuffiness out of airport lounges with a family-friendly offering that even economy class travellers can access.

The unveiling today of the swank My Lounge, on the ground floor of Brisbane's international terminal, represents a bold multimillion-dollar investment and comes just days after the airline announced it would cut 750 jobs and consider relocating its head office out of Brisbane's Bowen Hills.

Paul Scurrah, CEO and managing director of Virgin Australia, said Brisbane was "an incredibly important part of our network", flying more than 500,000 people to 12 destinations, but it was important to restructure the business to ensure long-term profitability.

The new Virgin lounge at Brisbane airport Picture: Kylie Lang
Evolving the customer offering with a new lounge was part of that process, Mr Scurrah said.

"The design is based on feedback on what Virgin customers want, and in Brisbane, there are a lot more leisure travellers so giving them a premium relaxing start to their holiday is really important for us," he said.

Alcohol and coffee are among the beverages that will be on offer.
While business class flyers have priority access, economy travellers can buy three hours of lounge time from $60, with $10 for each additional hour.

Features include a serve-yourself buffet, with a bi-monthly rotational menu across American, Italian and Asian cuisine, and a well-stocked bar where you can make your own cocktails.

The new Virgin lounge at Brisbane airport Picture: Kylie Lang
The pies are locally made by Creative Cuisine in Salisbury and the beers are from Newstead Brewery.

Importantly for the chilled atmosphere, the lounge is not on the upper level with the other exclusive airline lounges but on the lower level beside rows of public seating.

It is a joint venture with No 1 Lounges, a London-based group that has 15 similar offerings around the world.

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Quote from: timh on August 21, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
I doubt we'll get Skygate station with CRR, however I really think they should improve the frequency + hours of operation for Airtrain. No mucking around with passing loops though, the line should be fully duplicated (and should be have been built as dual track from the beginning)

Not sure I agree with this. The line as it is seems capable of operating four trains an hour each way quite reliably and does it really need more than that? As far as I know that train is never overcrowded and a fifteen minute frequency seems fine for an airport line.

Extended operating hours absolutely, but there's no need for more infrastructure to achieve that.

Quote from: OzGamer on September 05, 2019, 15:45:46 PM

Quote from: timh on August 21, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
I doubt we'll get Skygate station with CRR, however I really think they should improve the frequency + hours of operation for Airtrain. No mucking around with passing loops though, the line should be fully duplicated (and should be have been built as dual track from the beginning)

Not sure I agree with this. The line as it is seems capable of operating four trains an hour each way quite reliably and does it really need more than that? As far as I know that train is never overcrowded and a fifteen minute frequency seems fine for an airport line.

Extended operating hours absolutely, but there's no need for more infrastructure to achieve that.

Yeah nah that's my bad. At the time I didn't realise Airport trains were running 4tph most of the time. I misunderstood, thought the single track sections were preventing it. I've since done my research. I don't think more than 4tph is needed, so yeah duplication probably not needed here. Skygate station I'm still all for though

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The only real benefit of Duplication is more flexibility in Sector 2, since inbound trains aren't tied to a certain timeslot related to the outbound train.

Quote from: verbatim9 on September 04, 2019, 12:14:53 PM
Virgin Australia unveils My Lounge at Brisbane International Airport [etc.]

Particularly poor regurgitating of a press release here. Economy travellers "can now access" the facility? But only if they pay $60? That's ... exactly the same as every Virgin lounge? Only thing is you can now enter 3 hours before departure, rather than 2, but I can't see too many people turning up 3 hours early anyway.

Quote from: Gazza on September 06, 2019, 08:51:47 AM
The only real benefit of Duplication is more flexibility in Sector 2, since inbound trains aren't tied to a certain timeslot related to the outbound train.

Yeah. There don't seem to be any issues with reliability during the existing 4tph periods.

Quote from: Gazza on September 06, 2019, 08:51:47 AM
The only real benefit of Duplication is more flexibility in Sector 2, since inbound trains aren't tied to a certain timeslot related to the outbound train.

Fair enough, but I don't really think that's a good enough reason to put scarce infrastructure funds into this ahead of numerous more important things.

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport pocketed $600m profit from parking since 2003 (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-pocketed-600m-profit-from-parking-since-2003/news-story/7f1615f436fb04092a251c4d13f6b2a3)

QuoteBRISBANE Airport has pocketed over half a billion dollars from its lucrative car parks in the past 15 years, with a profit margin of nearly 70 per cent.

Analysis of annual ACCC reports into airport operations reveal Brisbane Airport's car parks have raked in an operating profit of at least $608 million since 2003-04, off the back of over $870 million in revenue.

While its profit margin over the past 15 years was slightly behind those of Sydney and Melbourne airports, Brisbane has ranked ahead of Perth.

Its annual operating profit has also ballooned by over 200 per cent in the past 15 years, from $20.6 million in 2003-04 to $65.4 million in 2017-18.

The operating profit of $65.4 million in the 2017-18 financial year equated to an astonishing $179,178 per day or $124 every minute.

An ACCC spokesman said in the past few years, Brisbane's car park profit margins had been higher than those of both Melbourne and Perth airports, but had lagged behind Sydney.

He said there were still options for travellers looking to avoid high car parking charges, with five independent off-site operators in 2017-18.

"For those that need to drive, they can choose the typically cheaper independent car parks operating outside the airport's grounds," he said.

"For those that want the convenience of parking at the airport itself, savings are available if you book online in advance.

"For example, in 2017-18, average online prices for at-terminal parking were 18 per cent lower for short-term stays of less than 24 hours and 36 per cent lower for stays of six to seven days."

Despite the big increase in its operating profits, the airport's profit margin from its car parks has reduced significantly since 2003-04, from about 81.4 per cent down to 65.4 per cent in 2017-18.

The ACCC spokesman said its latest report showed it had also reduced its long-term parking prices by up to 8.7 per cent when compared to the previous year — which was the largest price reduction among all monitored airports.

Brisbane Airport did not respond to The Courier-Mail's request for comment.

Alan Joyce, CEO @Qantas & Paul Scurrah, CEO @VirginAustralia, Addressing the #NPC on 'The Great Australian Monopoly: Where nobody wins but the airports' #live on @abcnews https://t.co/01uucrsn9S (https://t.co/01uucrsn9S)
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The episode of the address can be found here------->https://iview.abc.net.au/show/national-press-club-address/series/0/video/NC1911C033S00

Breaking -


Brisbane Development.com---> International hawker style food hall proposed for domestic airport (https://brisbanedevelopment.com/international-hawker-style-food-hall-proposed-for-domestic-airport/)

QuoteBy

Brisbane Development



September 29, 2019


Impression of Brisbane Domestic Terminal's Food Collective

Brisbane Airport is currently undertaking a $40 million redevelopment of the domestic terminal centred around the Qantas and Central terminal areas.

The redevelopment plans to provide airport guests with a world-class shopping and dining experience which includes a new food hall, called Food Collective.

Inspired by outdoor hawker street dining and farmers markets, the Food Collective will feature five new restaurants, Ze Pickle, Upper West Side Deli, Yo! Sushi, Nippon Ramen and Mi Casa Burritos.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5p91Mkn3o

There are growing calls for an independent umpire, to help drive down sky-high airport prices. Passengers agree something needs to be done, but say that's not the only place they are being slugged extra. @EmArnold_7 #7NEWS https://t.co/ieRXkLOCRp

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1183659473530802176

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First world problems!

It's not the role of the govt to regulate the prices of lattes and croissants.

As for parking, construction of multi storey car parks isn't cheap ether.

And people have a choice. Eat before you get to the Airport.

https://youtu.be/L15YCGTr-LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L15YCGTr-LA

Waste from the Brisbane Airport precinct is being turned into compost for Queensland farmers. The airport's focus on sustainability is saving enough energy to power 2,000 homes each year. https://t.co/VZ3A1cpmr5 @laurenmarer #7NEWS https://t.co/eTzcVGqmsz

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1198518976495570945

Waste recycling initiatives at Brisbane  International Terminal

https://youtu.be/xwzlMbJR9Us

Quote from: verbatim9 on October 14, 2019, 20:13:58 PM
There are growing calls for an independent umpire, to help drive down sky-high airport prices. Passengers agree something needs to be done, but say that's not the only place they are being slugged extra. @EmArnold_7 #7NEWS https://t.co/ieRXkLOCRp

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1183659473530802176

Just give 1 star google reviews to businesses that engage in price gouging.

Lattes, food, and even airport car parking are not an essential public service.

Eat before you go or park at one of the parking places outside of the Airport.

As for the person who bought the $7 water - isn't there a free water bubbler in the terminal somewhere?

:bo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3dbASJRhA

BrisbaneTimes.com.au---> Possible later buses to Skygate to connect with shuttles to the Airport terminal? (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/public-transport-access-a-weak-spot-at-the-expanding-brisbane-airport-20191204-p53gy6.html)

Quote
A lack of transport options at Brisbane Airport will be further exposed when the city's new $1.3 billion parallel runway leads to a doubling in passenger movements in 20 years, Brisbane's development association has warned.

Committee for Brisbane executive director Annie Macnaughton said while the new airport facilities would be a boon for the city, accessible public transport was the "missing piece of the new airport jigsaw".

The Airtrain runs to and from the Brisbane Airport every 15 minutes in peak times and less frequently at other hours of the day.

The Airtrain runs to and from the Brisbane Airport every 15 minutes in peak times and less frequently at other hours of the day.

She said those improvements were needed, as the airport's passenger numbers would increase from 23.4 million in the 2018-19 financial year to more than 50 million by 2040.

"I think efficient, fast, 'turn up and go' mass transit in and out of the airport precinct is absolutely essential for Brisbane," Ms Macnaughton said.

The privately owned Airtrain has monopoly access to provide public transport to Brisbane's domestic and international terminals until 2036, due to a contract signed with the Queensland government in 1999. After 2036, the line returns to Queensland Rail.

It was a situation Robert Dow, a spokesman for transport lobby group Rail Back on Track, said needed to change.

"I think there is a need to look at opening it up to normal route public transport in and out of the airport," Mr Dow said.

Lord mayor Adrian Schrinner has asked the state government to revisit Airtrain's exclusivity, floating the idea to have the council's Brisbane Metro buses service the airport.

In addition to passengers, 25,000 people work at the Brisbane Airport precinct - a number predicted to grow to 50,000 by 2040.

As part of the Airtrain contract, the council's buses can only enter the airport precinct as far as the Skygate retail centre, several kilometres from the terminals.

From Skygate, bus passengers catch a shuttle bus to the domestic or international terminals.

Brisbane's new parallel runway opens in mid-2020, but questions are being asked why no CityGlider-type service is allowed to operate.

Airtrain chief executive Chris Basche said he had discussed extra bus services with the council, but declined to provide many details of the talks.

"Airtrain expects to provide a complimentary service to the Brisbane Metro when it commences operations because there will be connections between Airtrain and the metro at both South Brisbane's Cultural Centre and the Roma Street stations," he said.

Cr Schrinner declined to be interviewed on Thursday.

But in a statement, Cr Schrinner said there were "several opportunities" to increase public transport options for workers.

"I had a very positive meeting with the Airtrain CEO today and it's great to already have Brisbane Airport Corporation supporting better connections to the airport, Brisbane CBD and our suburbs," he said.

"...There are several opportunities to increase the public transport options for workers, including the expansion of Metro, and we look forward to working with Brisbane Airport Corporation and Airtrain to deliver the best possible outcome.

"The metro could provide both an economical and efficient way for workers to travel to and from the airport precinct."

Mr Basche said Airtrain negotiated with TransLink and the company running the Gold Coast light rail stage two when it connected to the main Brisbane rail line.

"Airtrain saw an uplift in passengers connecting from Brisbane Airport to Surfers Paradise after stage two of the Gold Coast light rail was opened in late 2017," he said.

"A similar connection will be possible with Brisbane Metro connecting the airport to major universities, hospitals and employment precincts."

Mr Basche says Airtrain's domestic and international stations were well placed to cope with the gradual passenger growth expected after the parallel runway opens next year.

"Airtrain also plans to expand the peak period frequency of trains - every 15 minutes - into the current non-peak period," he said.

Mr Basche said train services every 15 minutes were the "international benchmark".

"That covers between 90 and 95 per cent of all flights that come and go," he said.

An Airtrain ticket costs $19 from Central Station to the airport, or $36 return.

Mr Basche said Airtrain had noticed a 12.5 per cent increase in airport precinct staff using the service after offering a 20-ticket book for $120 for precinct workers.

Workers can travel within the precinct for no extra charge on the Airtrain.

He described Airtrain's patronage as consistent and not impacted by Uber or taxis.

Brisbane Airport Corporation is running tours of the new parallel runway and will hold an open day and a fun run down the runway in the first half of 2020, before it opens for operation.

Work began in October 2013 to gather the sand from Moreton Bay - to let it lay flat for three years - before the runway construction began in 2017.

TransLink did not answer questions about extending bus services to the airport. It said Airtrain had suitable rail capacity.

More passengers use the airport, more of an economic case to run more trains, Airtrain makes more money.  This is a self-solving problem.

Quote from: SurfRail on December 05, 2019, 21:38:38 PM
More passengers use the airport, more of an economic case to run more trains, Airtrain makes more money.  This is a self-solving problem.

I hope the extend the service to 11.30pm? Especially now that Cathy and Emirates have altered their departure time to 00.30am and 2.45am respectively.

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 05, 2019, 21:51:02 PM

Quote from: SurfRail on December 05, 2019, 21:38:38 PM
More passengers use the airport, more of an economic case to run more trains, Airtrain makes more money.  This is a self-solving problem.

I hope the extend the service to 11.30pm? Especially now that Cathy and Emirates have altered their departure time to 00.30am and 2.45am respectively.

Cathay always has had a daily flight around Midnight (in addition to the morning departure - although morning flights have been cut back recently with the recent HK protests).  Emirates is just changing one of their non-stop flights to the old BNE-SIN timeslot once the SIN tag ends.

Quote from: Arnz on December 05, 2019, 22:34:38 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 05, 2019, 21:51:02 PM

Quote from: SurfRail on December 05, 2019, 21:38:38 PM
More passengers use the airport, more of an economic case to run more trains, Airtrain makes more money.  This is a self-solving problem.

I hope the extend the service to 11.30pm? Especially now that Cathy and Emirates have altered their departure time to 00.30am and 2.45am respectively.

Cathay always has had a daily flight around Midnight (in addition to the morning departure - although morning flights have been cut back recently with the recent HK protests).  Emirates is just changing one of their non-stop flights to the old BNE-SIN timeslot once the SIN tag ends.

The Cathay flight was around 22:30 it's now 00:30. A few people that I know that travel to HKG were complaining about the change. It's also a significant change for EK as well.  Plus the flights between 22:30 and 00:30; one could say that demand for PT services past 10pm is on the rise.

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 05, 2019, 23:03:51 PM

Quote from: Arnz on December 05, 2019, 22:34:38 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 05, 2019, 21:51:02 PM

Quote from: SurfRail on December 05, 2019, 21:38:38 PM
More passengers use the airport, more of an economic case to run more trains, Airtrain makes more money.  This is a self-solving problem.

I hope the extend the service to 11.30pm? Especially now that Cathy and Emirates have altered their departure time to 00.30am and 2.45am respectively.

Cathay always has had a daily flight around Midnight (in addition to the morning departure - although morning flights have been cut back recently with the recent HK protests).  Emirates is just changing one of their non-stop flights to the old BNE-SIN timeslot once the SIN tag ends.

The Cathay flight was around 22:30 it's now 00:30. A few people that I know that travel to HKG were complaining about the change. It's also a significant change for EK as well.  Plus the flights between 22:30 and 00:30; one could say that demand for PT services past 10pm is on the rise.

According to the Google Timetable search, current evening Cathay flight leaves at 12:40am. 
Did you confuse this with Etihad? (EY have the 10:15pm departure to AUH), or the morning Cathay departure at 10:35am?

https://www.google.com/search?q=bne-hkg+schedules&oq=bne-hkg+schedules&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4.3392j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Quote from: Arnz on December 07, 2019, 12:45:17 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 05, 2019, 23:03:51 PM

Quote from: Arnz on December 05, 2019, 22:34:38 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 05, 2019, 21:51:02 PM

Quote from: SurfRail on December 05, 2019, 21:38:38 PM
More passengers use the airport, more of an economic case to run more trains, Airtrain makes more money.  This is a self-solving problem.

I hope the extend the service to 11.30pm? Especially now that Cathy and Emirates have altered their departure time to 00.30am and 2.45am respectively.

Cathay always has had a daily flight around Midnight (in addition to the morning departure - although morning flights have been cut back recently with the recent HK protests).  Emirates is just changing one of their non-stop flights to the old BNE-SIN timeslot once the SIN tag ends.

The Cathay flight was around 22:30 it's now 00:30. A few people that I know that travel to HKG were complaining about the change. It's also a significant change for EK as well.  Plus the flights between 22:30 and 00:30; one could say that demand for PT services past 10pm is on the rise.

According to the Google Timetable search, current evening Cathay flight leaves at 12:40am. 
Did you confuse this with Etihad? (EY have the 10:15pm departure to AUH), or the morning Cathay departure at 10:35am?

https://www.google.com/search?q=bne-hkg+schedules&oq=bne-hkg+schedules&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4.3392j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Bne International scheduled late evening flights.

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Looks like JL7906 is a codeshare onto the Cathay (CX156) midnighr flight to HKG.

Edit: Also noted the QF codeshare on the CI flight to TPE

Quote from: Arnz on December 08, 2019, 13:37:20 PM
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Looks like JL7906 is a codeshare onto the Cathay (CX156) midnighr flight to HKG.

Edit: Also noted the QF codeshare on the CI flight to TPE

Yep the icons were cycling the codeshare flight numbers. It's just what I captured at the time.

Brisbanetimes --> Airport parking costs to be scrutinised with new government rule (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/airport-parking-costs-to-be-scrutinised-with-new-government-rule-20191211-p53j2w.html)

QuoteMajor airports will be forced to hand over more information about the money they make from parking and other services, in a federal government plan that has infuriated critics who want more drastic intervention to halt price hikes.

The Morrison government will require the nation's biggest airports to reveal more about their business to help the competition regulator assess the operators, backing a call from the Productivity Commission for more scrutiny.

But airlines said the government had "squibbed" the chance to give Australians better value after complaints airports were abusing their "monopoly" power.

"The government must urgently rethink this, because Australia's airlines and airport users face significantly increasing costs that will lead to more disputes like the multi-year court case where Perth Airport is suing Qantas to extract monopoly rent," said Graeme Samuel, the chairman of Airlines for Australia and New Zealand.

Qantas chief Alan Joyce said it was not enough to ask for more disclosure when the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission had recommended an "independent umpire" to resolve disputes between airports and airlines over charges for aeronautical services.

"The government knows there's a problem with airports and their profit margins of 50 per cent, but increased monitoring won't fix it," Mr Joyce said.

"This is a slightly bigger magnifying glass when what we really need is a way to get some balance back in the system."

The government changes do not go so far as price regulation because the Productivity Commission found the airports had not "systematically exercised their market power" while passenger numbers have doubled to about 160 million over two decades.

The government decision means the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission will gain more information from four major airports it monitors – Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth – and will use this to provide public reports on their charges.

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack and Treasurer Josh Frydenberg announced the decision on Wednesday after several months considering the commission review, which said there was "reason to remain vigilant" about high charges.

The government accepted the proposal for the ACCC to be given more information each year on passenger numbers and the costs and revenues in relation to aeronautical services for domestic and international flights.

The airports will also have to give the competition regulator information on customer numbers, costs and revenues for car parking as well as the utilisation rates for each type of parking.

Airlines for Australia and New Zealand, which has pushed for months to have new curbs placed on the big airports in order to reduce costs for airlines, accused the government of siding with the "monopoly" airport operators and investors.

"There is no other monopoly infrastructure in Australia which is exempt from processes to protect
consumers against the exercise of market power," the airline group chief executive Alison Roberts said.

Dr Roberts criticised 70 per cent profit margins on parking, $4 fees for trolleys, "outrageously expensive" food and drinks and fee increases of almost 300 per cent on taxis in recent years.

Australian Airports Association chief Caroline Wilkie praised the government response.

"The recommended improvements will ensure the public has a clear view of how the monitored airports are listening to customer feedback and striving to deliver the best possible airport experience," she said.

The Airport might be a monopoly, but the food and parking within are not.

Why not eat before you go?

Or park in a car park outside the precinct?

Quote from: #Metro on December 12, 2019, 06:29:28 AM
Or park in a car park outside the precinct?

Or google for discount codes and get a price as good as parking off-site, whilst parking at the terminal like I do.

TownsvilleAirport.com.au----> TERMINAL REDEVELOPMENT (https://www.townsvilleairport.com.au/corporate/project-alive-terminal-redevelopment)

This Airport really does need an upgrade. It's very cramped in there when a couple of flights are departing or arriving.


P.s. They really need to extend the Translink bus to the Terminal as well. It stops short just under a KM away.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyarL_iTGl0

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 23, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
https://youtu.be/AyarL_iTGl0

I went through this new technology prior to boarding a flight at Newcastle a couple.of weeks ago. A lot faster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9M7qa71w4

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 23, 2019, 12:55:46 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 23, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
https://youtu.be/AyarL_iTGl0

I went through this new technology prior to boarding a flight at Newcastle a couple.of weeks ago. A lot faster

I'm a rather concerned about these full body scanners - I've got a body that naturally has traits of both male and female, and don't identify as either gender - the scanners in order to work needs to the officer to select a male or female gender prior to scanning.

Kinda feel like I'd rather take the train interstate now rather than fly.

https://newsroom.bne.com.au/record-breaking-year-for-passengers-at-brisbane-airport/

Record-breaking year for passengers at Brisbane Airport

Passenger numbers at Brisbane Airport (BNE) exceeded 24.1 million for the first time, with Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) recording the strongest international and domestic growth amongst Australia's major gateway airports in 2019.

More > https://newsroom.bne.com.au/record-breaking-year-for-passengers-at-brisbane-airport/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41K-tLBBEJI

Testing on the new runway & taxiway lighting is scheduled from Feb to late May, so the new runway may open in June.

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport's second runway will open on July 12 (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/future-seq/brisbane-airports-second-runway-will-open-on-july-12/news-story/bd7a9c6c7d43ed93c94aedbfadd99619)

QuoteAfter eight years of construction, Brisbane Airport has announced the date its second runway will finally open. It comes after it was revealed the project, that will provided "unlimited opportunities" for the city, came in hundreds of millions of dollars under budget.

BRISBANE Airport's new $1.1 billion parallel runway will open on July 12, after coming in $200m under budget.

Brisbane Airport Corporation chief executive officer Gert-Jan de Graaff said the runway had been eight years in construction and would offer "unlimited opportunities for our city, region and state".

"The new runway is so much more than asphalt; it is an enabler for growth across all facets, with an estimated 7800 new jobs created by 2035 and an additional $5 billion in annual economic benefit to the region," Mr de Graaff said.

"We are seeing first-hand that the new runway is bringing more flights, destinations and choices for the travelling public, and this growth will only strengthen from July 12.

"While we recognise the benefits of the new runway and the airport will be felt right across our city, state and country, we are conscious of our community and the potential impact of new flight paths in relation to aircraft noise.

"We encourage everyone residing in Brisbane to visit the dedicated Flight Path Tool, available on Brisbane Airport's website, which allows you to search any address to find out specific information in relation to aircraft volume forecasts and the expected noise footprint for the current and future flight paths."

The final line marking has begun, with more than 6780 litres of paint being used to mark more than 120km along taxiways and the runway.

The airport is planning a weekend of community events on the runway before it opens for flights, including a 5km runway fun run.

Quote from: red dragin on February 01, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
Testing on the new runway & taxiway lighting is scheduled from Feb to late May, so the new runway may open in June.

I wasn't too far off!  :D

 :-t

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1230745024008077316

https://newsroom.bne.com.au/brisbanes-new-runway-launch-date-announced/

Brisbane's new runway launch date announced

Friday 21 February 2020:

With the eight-year construction programme all but complete, Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) is proud to confirm the date on which the first historic flights will take off and land on Brisbane's new runway (BNR) – Sunday, 12 July 2020.

Timings of the first arrival and departure have not yet been confirmed.

Gert-Jan de Graaff, BAC Chief Executive Officer, said today's announcement was a significant milestone for Brisbane given the new runway has been part of long-term planning for more than forty years.

"I am proud to have been part of an iconic project that will transform and provide unlimited opportunities for our city, region and state.

"Today is a culmination of eight years of physical construction, many years before that in planning, and foresight from nearly half a century ago for one of the most exciting projects in Brisbane's history.

"It's surreal to think we are just months away from seeing the first aircraft land and depart on this infrastructure masterpiece.

"The new runway is so much more than asphalt; it is an enabler for growth across all facets, with an estimated 7,800 new jobs created by 2035 and an additional five billion in annual economic benefit to the region.

"We are seeing firsthand that the new runway is bringing more flights, destinations and choices for the travelling public, and this growth will only strengthen from 12 July 2020," Mr de Graaff said.

"While we recognise the benefits of the new runway and the airport will be felt right across our city, state and country, we are conscious of our community and the potential impact of new flight paths in relation to aircraft noise.

"BAC has always been incredibility proactive in keeping our community informed about the project and aircraft noise, and we will continue our extensive community engagement program well after the runway itself opens, generating honest and informed conversations about the new flight paths.

"We encourage everyone residing in Brisbane to visit the dedicated Flight Path Tool, available on Brisbane Airport's website, which allows you to search any address to find out specific information in relation to aircraft volume forecasts and the expected noise footprint for the current and future flight paths," Mr de Graaff said.

The tool also shows noise mapping, highlighting areas that will experience aircraft noise of 70 decibels or more. Visit https://flightpathtool.bne.com.au/bac/map

Before the runway becomes operational, community members will be given a rare opportunity to participate in two special events held on the runway site.

Planning for a five-kilometre 'runway fun run' and a free Community Open Day is currently underway.

Attendance at these events will be strictly limited, with people urged to visit www.bne.com.au/takeoff to subscribe for updates in regards to the ticket release.

In addition to today's exciting announcement, the line marking of the new runway and accompanying taxiways commenced this week, marking the final component of the construction programme for this monumental project.

Over the next four to six weeks, more than 6,780 litres of paint will be placed on the runway and taxiways, spanning 120 kilometres in length. With two coats of paint used, there is enough paint to create a straight line between Brisbane and Hervey Bay.

The largest paint strip for the project is the two aiming points located at each end of the runway, which each measure 60 metres long by nine metres wide.

The paint for the taxiways will incorporate more than 1.3 tonnes of glass beads - tiny balls that help make the paint reflective.

Allstate Line Marking, subcontracted by Skyway, will complete the line marking with the help of Tiny Surveyor, an innovative robotic tool supplied by geospatial solutions provider Position Partners.

Tiny Surveyor negates the need for surveyors to manually set out the runway lines by foot saving considerable time while also improving safety on site.

Following the completion of the line marking, the detailed commissioning process for the new ground lighting, navigational aids and control tower systems will commence.

Brisbane's new runway is expected to be brought to completion under budget at a cost of $1.1 billion, marking a saving of $200 million.

Just looking at the Bne departure board. There are still quite alot of departures for today. A few cancellations, but flights still going to HNL, LAX,  DXB and AKL. A lot of domestic routes running today too (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200321/bde8d2f71135d43a2aca74241a84863b.jpg)

COVID-19 related: A Virgin 777-300ER (Registration: VH-VPF) had just landed in BNE for storage.

Some of the Qantas aircraft has started positioning to AVV for storage as well.

Will head out there for photos in a few days. There will be lots of planes.

If the reductions in Qantas' and Virgin's domestic flights last nine months the amount of carbon emissions released by the industry would be 13.2 million tonnes less than over the same period last year. https://t.co/peck4BQr96

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1245272059258843137

Give me the emissions and the normal(ish) world we had in December any day over this absolutely dire global situation we find ourselves in.

https://twitter.com/BrisbaneAirport/status/1245546540279660546

Qantas and Virgin Australia are close to signing off on a multi-million dollar funding package with the government to help the airlines maintain operations and keep flight fares affordable.

https://t.co/5AtcZWvJSw

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1249821847702474753

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lBat6GKnjw

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Empty Virgin Australia check-in terminal at Brisbane Domestic Airport.

Couriermail --> Aviation industry monopoly fears as Virgin told to request shareholder support (https://www.couriermail.com.au/coronavirus/us-stocks-drop-following-biggest-week-since-1974/news-story/16fa9f3ef32517a72bb4dd44fbf1af7a)

QuoteTreasurer Josh Frydenberg has said Virgin Australia should be relying on the support of shareholders and not the public purse to avoid collapse, with fears its insolvency could cause an Australian aviation industry monopoly.

Virgin Australia should first turn to shareholders and not taxpayer dollars for financial support to avoid collapsing during the coronavirus pandemic says Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.

The Treasurer said he was aware of reports Virgin was hiring insolvency experts but said the Federal Government remained focused on support for the entire aviation sector, not one particular private airline.

It is feared if Virgin becomes insolvent Australia's aviation industry will become a monopoly with only Qantas serving domestic travel.

"Australia is a country of 25 million people and I understand that two airlines have served us well, but, at the same time, our approach has been sector-wide support and that's critical to understand," Mr Frydenberg said.

"We've announced more than $1 billion worth of support measures which help Virgin, which help Qantas, which helps some of those regional airlines."

Mr Frydenberg said Virgin Australia should first turn to its shareholders for financial support. "Their first point of call is their equity holders, and they've got some big equity hold there, as you know, not just Virgin globally, but there's Etihad, there's Singapore, there's two China-related companies who are stakeholders," he said.

"I know that they're doing a lot of work.

"The government (has) had open lines of communication with Virgin as we have had with Qantas and as you would expect us to do." ....

The Federal Government could potentially own 10% of Virgin stock.giving them a seat on the board Could be a good outcome.

^ As security maybe, but 10% of Virgin Australia stock is almost worthless compared to the funding they need. I think any bailout would still need to be structured as a loan.

A very, very risky loan.

Airlines are such a crap business :)

Quote from: verbatim9 on April 16, 2020, 13:44:39 PM
The Federal Government could potentially own 10% of Virgin stock.giving them a seat on the board Could be a good outcome.

Quote from: AnonymouslyBad on April 16, 2020, 18:27:02 PM
^ As security maybe, but 10% of Virgin Australia stock is almost worthless compared to the funding they need. I think any bailout would still need to be structured as a loan.

A very, very risky loan.

Airlines are such a crap business :)

Breaking both Virgin and Qantas will get support for domestic flights

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News.com.au --> Virgin, Qantas and Jetstar announces plans to resume domestic flights from today (https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/virgin-announces-plans-to-resume-domestic-flights-from-tomorrow/news-story/90e79c1e4052f96a8ee241d9d1350f43)

QuoteVirgin Australia, Qantas and Jetstar have announced they will resume limited flights across the country, however social distancing will be in place on board.

Qantas, Jetstar and Virgin Australia will resume flights on a limited domestic schedule starting today but with social distancing on board.

In an email sent to customers on Thursday, Virgin confirmed a deal had been struck with the Australian Government.

"Virgin Australia is pleased to respond to a request from the Australian Government to resume flying an underwritten, minimal domestic schedule, to transport passengers and keep important freight corridors open during the COVID-19 pandemic," the email read.

"The schedule will commence Friday 17 April 2020 and run for a period of eight weeks, until 7 June 2020."

Domestic flights are expected to go on sale in addition to international repatriation flights already operating from Australia to Los Angeles and Hong Kong.

News.com.au understands passengers will be eligible to fly if they need to return home or are an essential traveller.

Qantas and Jetstar will also form part of the "minimum domestic and regional network" the government is supporting.

A Qantas spokesman said passenger flights will increase from 105 per week currently to 164 per week to all capital cities and 36 regional destinations.

"While travel restrictions mean most passenger flights are not commercially viable at the moment, there remains a need for some essential travel – particularly given the distances between most Australian cities.

"These flights will also provide critical freight capacity, which has fallen significantly as commercial air networks have shrunk. Much of the bellyspace on these flights will be used for mail and other urgent shipments, including medical equipment.

"The temporary regional network focuses on towns that are more than two hours' drive from key transport hubs."

Qantas said it appreciates the Federal Government support and the risk of people contracting the virus on flights is low, however, "social distancing has been put in place across all flights."

"Similarly, on-board service will be a scaled-back version of what would normally apply, with cabin crew focused on in-flight safety and they will wear personal protective equipment.

The limited domestic schedule will include as many as seven flights a week each way between Australia's major capital cities.

It comes after Queensland Health was tracing those on board a Sydney to Brisbane flight on Easter Monday where a passenger was infectious with COVID-19.

Regional airports including Rockhampton and Mackay will also be serviced.

It follows doubts about the future viability of Virgin Australia amid pleas for a $1.4 billion bailout from the government.

Fares can be booked as normal but will remain subject to state quarantine rules.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the Government would not budge on independent financial support for the airline, and that any assistance will be provided on a sector-wide basis.

"I'm aware that there are many market-based options that are currently being pursued, and I would wish those discussions every success," Mr Morrison said when questioned about the Virgin bailout on Thursday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZNdcrHm7Q0

This was unexpected in the Alice.

An aviation parking lot is growing in Australia's Red Centre tonight. For the very first time an Airbus A380 will be touching down in Alice Springs joining more than a dozen grounded planes gathering dust. https://t.co/VZ3A1cpmr5 @angelacox7news #7NEWSi https://t.co/yKjv3wCFKS

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1254324868104896512

Another SQ aircraft going into storage in NT at ASP.

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https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1255871443503439872

Brisbane Airport's second runway is almost ready for take-off... and so is our new flight path plan.

We're breaking down the suburbs that will be affected by the changes. @R_DAlessandro9 #9News https://t.co/pPgAG09n0M

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1262300396673880065

Queensland now has a new international standard runway set to pave a path to recovery for our struggling tourism and aviation industries. @anniepullar #9News https://t.co/vVRbkBogIM (https://t.co/vVRbkBogIM)


https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1272082575557890048

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1282031368986193920

ABC --> Brisbane Airport to open second runway despite COVID-19 aviation shutdowns (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/queensland-coronavirus-brisbane-airport-new-second-runway-opens/12438208)

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https://www.facebook.com/heraldsun/videos/4124222707648914/

QuoteWatch live as Qantas farewells its final Boeing 747.

Takeoff at 3.21pm...

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA7474/2500f1e0

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^  nice farewell move. 

Couriermail.com.au-->Brisbane Airport to slash a quarter of roles as COVID-related travel crisis continues (https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/brisbane-airport-to-slash-a-quarter-of-roles-as-covidrelated-travel-crisis-continues/news-story/14834de1d3d99978ed8f969f356c149a')

Quote
More than 100 positions have been axed by Brisbane Airport Corporation as the COVID-related travel crisis continues, but the corporation's CEO says there is a "glimmer of hope".

BRISBANE Airport Corporation has cut a quarter of its workforce, hit hard by COVID reductions in travel, as well as wrapping up construction of its new $1.1 billion parallel runway.

More than 100 positions have gone, with BAC saying they include "a large number of vacant positions that will not be filled" as well as redundancies.

"The majority of roles were vacant and will not be filled, some were contracts that will not be renewed, and there were some redundancies," BAC said in a statement.

"We emphasise that we have not cut 25 per cent of the existing staff but it is indeed 25 per cent of the number of roles we would have expected to have had by the end of this year.

"A recruitment freeze was put in place at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, which meant more than 30 roles were not filled.

"Of the rest of the BAC workforce, we have had a 15 per cent reduction with nearly half of these taken as voluntary redundancies."

There will be no impact on passengers or other airport users, BAC says.

"The successful completion of our new runway, our largest ever construction project, has seen a natural attrition of project staff engaged specifically to deliver the project," the airport says.

"We also re-scaled our planned capital works program to reflect lower passenger forecasts for the coming years. And the immediate impact of COVID-19 in passenger numbers has also had an impact.
"The reduction in positions at BAC will not impact customer service, safety or security."

Announcing BAC's passenger numbers for the 2019-20 financial year last month, chief executive officer Gert-Jan de Graaff said Brisbane and other airports had been hit hard by COVID.

Pre-COVID, the busiest day at the Domestic Terminal October 4 2019, was a record high of 63,525 arrivals and departures. At the height of border closures and travel restrictions, the Domestic Terminal recorded its quietest day on April 12 with only 31 passengers.

"While we are seeing a glimmer of hope with slowly growing schedules and passengers, full recovery to pre-COVID passenger numbers will take many, many years," Mr de Graaff said then.

"While COVID continues to present much uncertainty in terms of border closures and travel restrictions, there is one thing I am certain of, the resilience of the aviation industry, and the adaptability of our team.

"We have kept the lights on and our airfield fully operational during the darkest of days, ensuring essential health, repatriation and freight flights could continue.

"With the recent opening of our new runway giving us the most efficient runway system in Australia, Brisbane Airport is without a doubt the most important driver and catalyst for the city and state as we move together towards industry and economic recovery."

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My Gold Coast---->Gold Coast Airport to get a second entry, on the NSW border – myGC.com.au (http://www.mygc.com.au/gold-coast-airport-to-get-a-second-entry-on-the-nsw-border/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gold-coast-airport-to-get-a-second-entry-on-the-nsw-border")

Closed food outlets with in the International Terminal are being replaced with ready meal vending machines.

Vending machine for ready-made meals introduced at Brisbane Airport (http://'https://www.internationalairportreview.com/news/136991/ready-made-meals-vending-machines-brisbane/')

QuoteVending machine for ready-made meals introduced at Brisbane Airport
With current passenger numbers unable to warrant the reopening of food and beverage retailers in the terminal, Brisbane Airport has installed ready-made meals in vending machines.

Brisbane Airport has partnered with snapfresh to deliver a food retail solution – a ready-made meals vending machine. 

It's no secret that COVID-19 has had a significant impact on the Australian and global aviation industry. From airlines, airports, airline service providers and in-terminal retailers, the effect has been felt across the board.   

With approximately 28 weekly international flights scheduled at Brisbane Airport, there is demand for food and beverage – but not enough for the in-terminal retailers to remain open.

Martin Ryan, Executive General Manager Commercial, Brisbane Airport Corporation said the machine is a great addition to the International Terminal at a time where passenger numbers are down 98 per cent. "Not only does it ensure there are additional food options available for travellers transiting through our airport, but our staff and employees within the airport can also access delicious ready-made meal solutions." 

Hiranjan Aloysius, dnata catering Chief Executive Officer, said: "We are excited to be able to deliver our high-quality ready-made meals created by world class chefs, to consumers utilising industry leading technology. With six meal varieties on rotation, the machine dispenses a hot, ready-to-eat meal in 70 seconds, or a cold meal to heat and eat later, almost simultaneously".

Couriermail----> Brisbane Airport's new $1 billion terminal will be built inside the two runways (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/future-seq/brisbane-airports-new-1-billion-terminal-will-be-built-inside-the-two-runways/news-story/06208699aefad0145893966622b119ab)

Bac goes ahead with new terminal

International terminal to be replaced by 2032 or earlier if Brisbane is granted Olympics
Brisbane Times---->Brisbane Airport's international terminal to close, with new facility planned (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-airport-s-international-terminal-to-close-with-new-facility-planned-20210531-p57wmn.html')

^^Oh! I didn't realise that was going to happen. I thought they would retain it still. But obviously not fit for purpose any longer.

It's a major shift in operations in respect to moving to a cross operational model, but I agree this is a good idea.

The new terminal sounds like it will be state of the art rivalling the world's best.

The current domestic station will be transformed into a mass transit hub with the construction of the new terminal at Brisbane Airport. "Very exciting and it will be good to utilise it in the when its operational."

International travel may be off the cards for now, but #Brisbane Airport is planning a major revamp to reap the rewards when borders reopen.

It's promising to overhaul the way we travel.
@anniepullar
#9News

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1399641226866003968

Are will still getting Skygate station as well?

Quote from: verbatim9 on June 01, 2021, 18:52:56 PM
The current domestic station will be transformed into a mass transit hub with the construction of the new terminal at Brisbane Airport. "Very exciting and it will be good to utilise it in the when its operational."

International travel may be off the cards for now, but #Brisbane Airport is planning a major revamp to reap the rewards when borders reopen.

It's promising to overhaul the way we travel.
@anniepullar
#9News

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1399641226866003968

Retail will do a lot better when cross operations take effect. Having separate retail operations in both domestic and international terminals limits sales and expansion at this present time. The idea having similar plans to Singapore's Jewel with a new combined retail centre along side new complimentary terminal retail and duty free, will end up being very successful.

I think Brisbane will be the new international gateway for Australia with the new runway and combined terminals to allow ease of transfers with world leading retail concepts and design. This will make BNE a destination, not just a transfer hub.

Airport line duplication and a new station at DFO?

The old terminal could become a convention centre, complete with rail station.

^^That's a good idea to repurpose the current/old international terminal into a convention centre.

"The Annastacia Palaszczuk Centre for Excellence in Transport Infrastructure Delivery"    :-t

"Queensland Government Printer - Report and Plan Printing HQ"   :-r :bna:


Have we reached Q2 yet?

"The Minister Bailey Laundromat - We Specialise in Spin and Watering Things Down" :fo: :fo: :fo: :fo:

"Queensland Government - Policy and Studies World-Class Centre of Excellence"  :yikes:

^^Luckily it's on Federal land, thus the state government is unlikely to have a say to what it will be or not be.

https://twitter.com/brisbanetimes/status/1399908638689427457

New International terminal main use will be for Qantas. Community consultation opening soon. Fast rail connections from Bne to Toowoomba, Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast likely before the games (Courier Mail, 2021).

Courier Mail, 2021. Brisbane Airport's new international terminal to be built in time for 2032 Olympics. https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/brisbane-airports-new-international-terminal-to-be-built-in-time-for-2032-olympics/news-story/3b333c3538820679d7b5f949fd5f9795

Brisbanetimes --> Federal government to run review of new Brisbane runway aircraft noise (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/federal-government-to-run-review-of-new-brisbane-runway-aircraft-noise-20210730-p58eih.html)

QuoteThe federal government has launched a new review into increased aircraft noise from Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway, a year after the $1.1 billion infrastructure opened.

The government-owned Airservices Australia has given the Brisbane community five weeks to provide comment on the terms of reference for the 12-month review of the runway's impact. ...

The Sunshine State is about to become home to the next generation of military aircrafts, with Boeing to build a new manufacturing facility in #Toowoomba. @ShannonMM9 #9News https://t.co/uEc6qwZCcL

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1440596384374136841

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1441773706108301314

https://twitter.com/brisbanetimes/status/1448423553729241093

Bonza in talks with Wellcamp Airport as a regional destination. It sounds promising.

The Chronicle---> Bonza Airline looking at Toowoomba's Wellcamp Airport inquiry as part of 2022 launch (https://www.thechronicle.com.au/business/toowoomba-business/bonza-airline-looking-at-toowoombas-wellcamp-airport-inquiry-as-part-of-2022-launch/news-story/cf01e7cb05213f03d4420800f7e5e295)

If Bonza ends up flying in and out of Toowoomba? It warrants an extension of the near by Translink service, to service Wellcamp Airport terminal as well.

Once again, keep in mind Cairns is yet to see a Translink service and Toowoomba has a pretty poor supporting bus network. Any airport bus would probably need to cover a fair chunk of the city to be a one-seat trip for most for it to be any sort of competition to taxis, Uber (if it's up there) or friends/family dropping people off.

It surprises me Cairns doesn't have one yet, although it's relatively cheap to get a cab to the CBD.  Just call it Route 100 and run it from the Cairns Central terminus to the airport following the same route as everything else up until the airport access road - or maybe extend as far as the Smithfield shops.  It would overwhelmingly be tourists using it and they would mostly be staying in or near the city.

Townsville is less busy but you could slot one in that also provides a quicker service from Garbutt to the CBD.

If Maroochydore, Rockhampton and Mackay can have airport services, these 2 definitely can seeing they are both busier airports.

Brisbanetimes --> More flights over Moreton Bay to reduce aircraft noise around Brisbane (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/more-flights-over-moreton-bay-to-reduce-aircraft-noise-around-brisbane-20220118-p59p5p.html) $

QuoteMore Brisbane flights will be required to arrive and depart over Moreton Bay, and spend less time at low altitude, after a government-appointed forum acknowledged community concerns about the noise.

The independent community forum, established by Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce last year, made recommendations that have been accepted by Brisbane Airport Corporation and Airservices Australia.  ...

Brisbane Airport Post Implementation Review Advisory Forum

>> https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/infrastructure-transport-vehicles/aviation/airports/brisbane-airport-post-implementation-review-advisory-forum

Brisbane Times---> New airline Bonza targets half-price fares on 25 routes (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/companies/new-airline-bonza-targets-half-price-fares-on-25-routes-20220214-p59w9v.html)

QuoteBonza, which hopes to start flying around the middle of this year, will reveal on Tuesday it will base its fleet of Boeing 737 Max aircraft at Sunshine Coast Airport

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This is great news for MCY and the tourism sector on the Sunshine Coast.

Brisbanetimes --> Curbs on Brisbane Airport within days after complaints about noise (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/curbs-on-brisbane-airport-within-days-after-complaints-about-noise-20220214-p59wdw.html) $

QuoteMeasures to reduce aircraft noise over Brisbane suburbs will be trialled from February 24, Airservices Australia has announced.

The trials come after Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce took the unusual step of establishing an airport advisory forum to review the impact of Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway. It followed noise complaints from Brisbane residents and concerns that authorities had not acted quickly enough.

The Aircraft Noise Ombudsman found Airservices Australia contributed to the problem by failing to accurately model new flight paths, and likely noise impacts, before the parallel runway opened in July 2020. ...

I reckon this new airline will be bankrupt within 24 months.

There is no money to be made in low-cost carriers. The market is already highly competitive.

Business travel is what brings in the dollars, not leisure.

Tell that to the plethora of highly successful low cost carriers around the world.
Whether Bonza can make their model (low cost, low frequency) work in Australia will be quite interesting to watch, but if they fail, it won't be as simple as 'low cost carriers don't work'.

Quote from: verbatim9 on February 14, 2022, 23:56:49 PM
Brisbane Times---> New airline Bonza targets half-price fares on 25 routes (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/companies/new-airline-bonza-targets-half-price-fares-on-25-routes-20220214-p59w9v.html)

QuoteBonza, which hopes to start flying around the middle of this year, will reveal on Tuesday it will base its fleet of Boeing 737 Max aircraft at Sunshine Coast Airport

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Routes  from  MCY revealed

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QuoteTell that to the plethora of highly successful low cost carriers around the world.

I'm not sure what's more concerning - this route map or the HSR route map   :is-

Successful? In what way are they successful? That they didn't go bankrupt while all their peers did? Or they got bought out by full service airline to form part of the Airline-in an Airline strategy?

What's the demand like from MCY to Mildura? And the frequency, once a week perhaps? The image is misleading as all the lines imply similar frequencies.

A better idea would be to base this airline out of Sydney Nancy-Bird Walton and launch in 2026 when the airport opens.

BUST within 24 months I say.

Ryanair, Easyjet, Wizz, Norweigen (short haul), Allegient, Southwest (lower cost at least), Spirit and Fronteir (not 100% sure whether they're LCCs or not offhand) are all examples of successful low cost carriers, and they're just the ones straight off the top of my head.
Generally successful is not going broke, yes.

I'm not saying Bonza will definitely be successful or definitely won't be. I just said it'll be interesting to watch how it goes. The model they're employing works well in Europe and America, so it will be interesting to see whether they can make it work in Australia.

Since when do airline network maps give any idea at all to the flight frequency? Hell, any network map for that matter. The maps are literally there to advise people where they fly to, and to encourage those people to check out the website for more details. Same as every other airline.

QuoteBUST within 24 months I say.

Lots of business`s spring up and fold within a couple of years....its been amplified with the pandemic....
Highly likely it wont fold anyway....it would be merged with another airline.....depending on the market dynamics...

In two years as your apparently predicting.....the domestic market would move from a slowdown in local holiday makers to a fully recovered overseas student market......so they would just offload their 737 maxes into say an Asian based airline...

@metro it is not the time to be negative by mentioning words like 'BUST'.
Business confidence specifically in the tourist/airline sector has taken a heavy hit....so at this point any new startup helps to restore that confidence..

You say 'BUST' I say 'WELL TIMED'

It looks like they will enter the market at just the right time......when things finally open back up in oz.....there will be much to gain as there is a huge backlog of aussie's wanting to take holidays/visit relatives.


PS: mackay is booming at the moment.....mackay to mildura is an unknown obviously....but there is definitely sizeable Victorian based temp labor working around the region that will use MKY to avoid the huge cost of flying from places like Moranbah.....where it can cost 3x more..

No apparent business strategy and operating out of the wrong location.

Better go tell them that then! They obviously haven't done any research at all, let alone a business case!! Mayne 777 Partners are just looking to throw away their money and figure this is an easy way to do it!

I hope they have a few of these on board ...

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I'm skeptical they will get anywhere with these routes and with those aircraft.  Good luck to them anyway.

People in the Moreton catchment are likely to use Sunshine Coast Airport even more so. Especially for destinations like MEL and DRW.

Bonza seem to have these routes stitched up. It's highly unlikely that Qantas and Virgin will compete on such routes except for MCY-MEL and maybe Avalon with JQ.

I wonder if Translink will provide a better link from the train as they do at the Gold Coast with the 760?

QuoteBetter go tell them that then! They obviously haven't done any research at all, let alone a business case!! Mayne 777 Partners are just looking to throw away their money and figure this is an easy way to do it!

Consider purchasing tickets to Fyre Festival?
Want to invest in Hyperloop? Elon Musk and Branson behind it.
Brisbane Airtrain, Brisconnections motorways?
Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos
Whole dot com industry in early 2000's

Plenty of examples where a basic, sound strategy or business rationale wasn't present.

And there will be more! There always is.

Quote from: ozbob on February 15, 2022, 00:47:52 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Curbs on Brisbane Airport within days after complaints about noise (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/curbs-on-brisbane-airport-within-days-after-complaints-about-noise-20220214-p59wdw.html) $

QuoteMeasures to reduce aircraft noise over Brisbane suburbs will be trialled from February 24, Airservices Australia has announced.

The trials come after Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce took the unusual step of establishing an airport advisory forum to review the impact of Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway. It followed noise complaints from Brisbane residents and concerns that authorities had not acted quickly enough.

The Aircraft Noise Ombudsman found Airservices Australia contributed to the problem by failing to accurately model new flight paths, and likely noise impacts, before the parallel runway opened in July 2020. ...

Amazing that the old flight path which goes over less affluent suburbs never got this attention nor action...."The bombs never hit you when you're down so low"

Quote from: #Metro on February 15, 2022, 13:57:20 PM

QuoteBetter go tell them that then! They obviously haven't done any research at all, let alone a business case!! Mayne 777 Partners are just looking to throw away their money and figure this is an easy way to do it!

Consider purchasing tickets to Fyre Festival?
Want to invest in Hyperloop? Elon Musk and Branson behind it.
Brisbane Airtrain, Brisconnections motorways?
Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos
Whole dot com industry in early 2000's

Plenty of examples where a basic, sound strategy or business rationale wasn't present.

And there will be more! There always is.

And what does it matter to you if they do fail? You seem to be pretty aggressively against them.

At the end of the day, if they manage to carve out their niche and increase tourism to regional areas while making enough profits to continue flying, great! If not.. we're no worse off..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x84k20tpM0

The Chronicle---> Toowoomba Wellcamp Airport a port for new low-cost airline Bonza, will fly to Whitsundays, Townsville and Melbourne (https://www.thechronicle.com.au/business/toowoomba-business/toowoomba-wellcamp-airport-a-port-for-new-lowcost-airline-bonza-will-fly-to-whitsundays-townsville-and-melbourne/news-story/d10ec7bb361c9acd05ab2fbd0bb5fe0c)

QuoteToowoomba residents will soon have the choice to fly to Melbourne, Townsville and the Whitsundays for cheap, after low-cost airline Bonza announced Wellcamp Airport as one of its new ports.

The newly-launched carrier will run eight new flights out of Toowoomba every week as part of its inaugural route.

It is a coup for Wellcamp owner Wagner Corporation, as the airport looks to establish itself as a domestic passenger port alongside its airfreight potential.

Wagner Corp chairman John Wagner said the announcement would expose Toowoomba as a tourism destination to millions more people.

Good outcome for WTB. Now for Translink to start planning and and extend a bus service to Wellcamp to service the airport properly.

^ At a grand total of 8 return flights a week, don't count on it.  Even the meagre other flights offered by QantasLink or Rex combined with these aren't going to involve a regular service of any kind.  For the minuscule number of people who want to get to and from the urban part of Toowoomba who aren't driving, it would be considerably more convenient for them to rely on cabs or ridesharing.

While there is ride share and taxis, there is still a need for a regular PT service for workers and people on a strict budget. People travelling on a budget airline usually want to keep to a strict budget. Extending a nearby service to service the Wellcamp Airport district and terminals would be an advantage for the area and the residents of Oakey and Toowoomba.

If Translink doesn't do it the airport will likely go into arrangements with Skybus preventing future competitive public transport. This happened to and from Melbourne and Brisbane airports.

Comparable Airports that have a public bus service are Mackay, Maroochydore and Newcastle. Toowoomba Wellcamp also fits into this category in relation to catchment and population.

Population and catchment is one thing, number of flights is another

Just schedule the buses for 45 mins prior to departure and 30-40 mins after arrival. Similarly to what has occurs on the Sunshine Coast and Newcastle.

Buses have to be consistent and logical to be useful. How would that tie in with the rest of the network there? What happens if a plane gets delayed? Keep in mind what I've said previously,

QuoteAny airport bus would probably need to cover a fair chunk of the city to be a one-seat trip for most for it to be any sort of competition to taxis, Uber (if it's up there) or friends/family dropping people off.

Any Airport bus would cover a tiny part of the City to/from Wellcamp, and the supporting network up there is no where near the level of being able to make easy or useful connections.

And that's even before you take into account the fact that if plane arrival and departure times don't align so you can't have the same bus do the service to Wellcamp and return in service, you're looking at upwards of 30 mins of dead running in each direction just to get back to Toowoomba Central to do another route (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-27.5647316,151.796002/-27.5602389,151.9556734/@-27.5492147,151.8209967,18576m/data=!3m1!1e3).

It simply isn't viable for what it's worth. Try Cairns and Townsville first, both with more flights, more tourism, more people and a much better supporting network.

Quote from: verbatim9 on February 17, 2022, 15:24:06 PM
Comparable Airports that have a public bus service are Mackay, Maroochydore and Newcastle. Toowoomba Wellcamp also fits into this category in relation to catchment and population.

Every single one of the buses you have mentioned primarily exists for other reasons - they just happen to go past an airport mid-route where it is not a big imposition to send them past the terminal (622 at MCY, the Port Stephens routes at NTL, the 502 at GLT) or they end up there (the 304 in Mackay, the extensions of the 20 in Rockhampton).  Patronage would have been near to negligible even before COVID-19.  There's no comparison with Airtrain or the 777.

What reason would a Wellcamp bus have for existing?  There's basically nothing on the way once you clear the urban limits of Toowoomba.  If you have resources to throw at this you'd be better off improving services within Toowoomba.  (There's probably more of a case to extend the 539 to Toowoomba so Withcott and Helidon have a connection to it that doesn't require a coach booking.)

Whitsunday Transit's service does not extend past Proserpine to the Whitsunday Coast Airport for similar reasons - it's dead space (and they would be competing with transfer operators, including themselves).

There is no airport bus in Bundaberg, Townsville or Cairns even though there could probably be pretty easily in all 3 cases - and all 3 are busier airports and closer to the nearest centre of gravity.  I would regard all 3 as being bigger priorities, along with better weekend (especially Sunday) services.

Brisbane Times---> Giants of the sky to return to Brisbane in 'sign of confidence' for tourism sector (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/giants-of-the-sky-to-return-to-brisbane-in-sign-of-confidence-for-tourism-sector-20220217-p59xcn.html)

QuoteThe world's largest passenger jet will reappear in Brisbane's skies next month, as travel demand continues to rise in the wake of Australia's border reopening to international tourists.

Emirates will reinstate Airbus A380 services to Brisbane Airport from March 1, linking the Queensland capital to its Dubai hub.

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ABC --> Fair skies ahead for new budget airline Bonza despite industry turbulence, say analysts (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-20/bonza-budget-airline-cheap-tickets-regional-flights/100845278)

ABC News --> Brisbane flight paths to be redone after years of noise complaints, LNP says (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-04/brisbane-flight-paths-to-be-redone/100963720)

QuoteBrisbane's flight paths will be redrawn, the LNP says, after an interim report commissioned by Airservices Australia made nearly 50 recommendations to reduce suburban flight noise.

Key points:
. The flight paths were updated when Brisbane's second runway opened in 2020
. The federal Member for Brisbane says residents have been putting up with "unreasonable" noise ever since
. A trial involving planes flying at higher altitudes en route to the airport is already underway

The interim report by global air traffic consultants Trax International was released on Friday.

It made multiple recommendations to resolve the issues that followed the opening of the airport's second runway in 2020, which led to hundreds of flights being redirected over Brisbane suburbs.

"The top priority objective ... is to maximise the number of Brisbane flights that arrive and depart simultaneously over water, rather than overflying populations in the city and surrounding suburbs," the report said.

A long-term recommendation also included the examination of "the scope and expected benefits of a fundamental redesign to the wider airspace system, including Brisbane terminal airspace, adjacent airports and en-route sectors". ...

Brisbanetimes --> Long-awaited Brisbane aircraft noise results due to land next month (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/long-awaited-brisbane-aircraft-noise-results-due-to-land-next-month-20220510-p5ajzc.html)

QuoteThe results of the first trials of alternative Brisbane Airport flight paths – and noise over the suburbs – will be presented to the public in June.

Alternative take-off and landing routes have been trialled for both runways at Brisbane Airport since late February after air-traffic consultancy firm Trax International called for major changes to flight paths. ...

Brisbanetimes --> Pilots campaign against 'risky' increase to tailwind speed at Brisbane Airport (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/pilots-campaign-against-risky-increase-to-tailwind-speed-at-brisbane-airport-20220527-p5ap4v.html)

QuoteCommercial pilots believe increasing the maximum tailwind speed for landing planes at Brisbane Airport in a bid to reduce noise would be too risky.

A professional body representing more than 7000 Australian pilots has begun a public campaign against the move to increase the maximum tailwind for landing aircraft from 5 knots to 7 knots in Brisbane.

Airservices Australia and the Brisbane Airport Corporation have been under pressure to address complaints about aircraft noise since Brisbane's new parallel runway opened in July 2020.

One recommendation was to ask the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to raise the maximum tailwind speed for landing aircraft. ...

Brisbane Times---> Expansion of Brisbane's domestic terminal shelved amid bigger plans (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/expansion-of-brisbane-s-domestic-terminal-shelved-amid-bigger-plans-20220707-p5azuw.html)

QuoteBrisbane Airport has quietly shelved an expansion of its existing domestic terminal as it turns its attention to a new hybrid domestic and international terminal facing the new parallel runway.

The 2000-square-metre Domestic Terminal Northern Regional Satellite, which was to be completed about 300 metres off the airport's northernmost "finger" by 2017, would have been the biggest single expansion of the terminal since it opened in 1988.

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I like the cross gate model, similar to what they do in Europe.

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1551818985351827456

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1556200096215212032

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane Airport still faces years of reviews, possible flight path changes (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-airport-still-faces-years-of-reviews-possible-flight-path-changes-20220822-p5bbp5.html)

QuoteBrisbane Airport still faces years of reviews and possible flight path changes after a review into the impact of aircraft noise was delivered on Monday.

The review, by air traffic consultancy Trax International, recommended planes simultaneously arrived over Moreton Bay to land at the airport's newest runway, while departures left from the original runway over Moreton Bay. ...

Quote from: verbatim9 on February 17, 2022, 16:02:53 PMJust schedule the buses for 45 mins prior to departure and 30-40 mins after arrival. Similarly to what has occurs on the Sunshine Coast and Newcastle.

Time for some facts:

Similarly to what has occurs on the Sunshine Coast and Newcastle.
Actually, Sunshine Coast Airport is on the 622 from Noosa Junction to Maroochydore.
It runs hourly, it is not specifically aligned with arrivals and departures.

The same goes for Newcastle. The airport is along a longer mainline 130 route from Newcastle to Nelson Bay.
This runs hourly, and the bus just pulls into the airport since it is on the main road anyway/

Just schedule the buses for 45 mins prior to departure and 30-40 mins after arrival.
This is inconsistent with your earlier comment:
there is still a need for a regular PT service for workers
So if you want to dead run a bus to meet each flight specifically, then how would that suit workers, who would start their shift before the passengers check in, and would need to stay after the passengers have left?

It is not financially viable to have this type of route because there are too few flights and too few employees and the airport is 20km by road from town so very isolated, and we shouldn't run routes that are going to be empty most of the time.

I understand that some travellers are on a tight budget, but it's not really the job of taxpayers to ensure people have a cheap airport experience.

Also, for what its worth, the bus stop at Maroochydore aiport had the following annual boardings.

2017   2438   
2018   2456   
2019   2592   
2020   748

This works out to around 6 passengers per day.

So it is difficult to imagine a Wellcamp bus stop getting more than the Sunshine Coast Airport.

It would be very likely to get around 2 or 3 passengers per day.

Would you support a 20km long bus route only used by 2 or 3 people per day?

https://twitter.com/BrisbaneAirport/status/1568471843228590080

Couriermail Sunshine Coast --> Sunshine Coast flights: Bonza Airline's Australian-first app revealed (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sunshine-coast/sunshine-coast-flights-bonza-airlines-australianfirst-app-revealed/news-story/a895c0ae6dd0de77c8e8cb9b4ed8132e) $

QuoteIn what Bonza says is an Aussie-first, customers will book their flights through an app or a travel agent only – once the airline gets off the ground.

The airline's chief executive Tim Jordan said the move to app and travel agent-only booking was to ensure Bonza had a direct line of communication with customers through in-app messaging.

"What we want to do is have as many people as possible through our app because it allows us to give a better service to our customers, especially when things go wrong," he said.

He said the app booking concept was a first for an Australian airline. ...

Tropic Now--->Upgrade to start next year for Cairns airport international terminal (https://www.tropicnow.com.au/2022/september/19/upgrade-to-start-next-year-for-cairns-airport-international-terminal)

Cairns International Airport upgrade on track.

No combined terminal at this stage.

I wonder if they might consider cross gate operations in the future?

In Qld --> World at our feet: Brisbane airport looks for another terminal and more transport (https://inqld.com.au/business/2022/10/20/world-on-our-doorstep-brisbane-airport-looks-for-another-terminal-and-more-transport/)

QuoteBrisbane Airport was likely to get a third terminal and new ways to connect passengers with the Gold and Sunshine Coasts as well as the city.

Brisbane Airport chief executive Gert-Jan de Graaf said the new terminal was likely to be a mix of domestic and international and new transport options would be separate to the existing train travel through the Air Train.

However, the direct link between the airport Gold Coast won't survive Cross River Rail and would force passengers to change trains at central.

De Graaf said Brisbane Airport was working with the State Government on mass transport options and connectivity to the two coasts and the city was important for the Olympics. ...

 ::)

Sounds like a glimmer of hope, regarding anew mass transit plan. Looking forward to the new terminal coming into fruition as well.

Quote from: verbatim9 on October 20, 2022, 19:40:47 PMSounds like a glimmer of hope, regarding anew mass transit plan. Looking forward to the new terminal coming into fruition as well.

Watch it be a single bus route which operates once per hour  :frs:

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport confirms plan to build new 'hybrid' terminal, Airtrain service under review (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/future-seq/brisbane-airport-confirms-plan-to-build-new-hybrid-terminal-airtrain-service-under-review/news-story/73713e517183439818186211df0e9989) $

QuoteBrisbane Airport has confirmed planning is underway to build a new hybrid domestic and international terminal as it prepares for a boom in passenger numbers, while the maligned Airtrain service could be about to change.

Brisbane Airport has confirmed planning is underway to build a new hybrid domestic and international terminal as it prepares for a boom in passenger numbers and record infrastructure spending over the next two decades.

It comes amid growing calls to fix the current deal with rail service Airtrain, which is seen as expensive and doesn't meet the needs of airline passengers and workers across the airport precinct.

The third terminal, to the north of the current domestic terminal, would see BNE become a major connection hub within Australia and a gateway to Asia and North America. ...

ABC News --> Brisbane Airport Corporation flags third terminal option with air traffic expected to double by 2040 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-13/qld-brisbane-airport-third-terminal-proposal/101647988)

QuoteBrisbane Airport Corporation is considering adding a third terminal to keep up with future demand ahead of the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Key points:

BAC estimates the airport will have 50 million passengers a year by 2040
A third terminal could cater for both domestic and international flights
Brisbane Flight Path Community Alliance says more flights mean more noise

Stephen Beckett from the Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) said the airport was running out of space with its two terminals.

"We really need that extra capacity to make sure that Queenslanders and people visiting Queensland can get to the destinations they need," he said. ...

I ran some numbers on Brisbane Airport.   :is-  :-c
===

Referring to the BAC Annual Report for 2022.

Financial statements on Page 68:
The BAC Group Total revenue was AUD $500,583,000 (FY 2022)

-    Aeronautical Revenue: AUD $173,914,000  (34.74%)
-    BAC earned $60 million in public car parking revenue (11.98%) (See p.35)

There are 15,287 public car parking bays at BNE. So that works out to be $3924.90 revenue per car park, for FY 2022, on average. Based on a standard car park dimension of 2.4 m x 5.4 m (AS 2890), we can estimate a total area of about 12.96 m2 x 15,287 = 198,119.52 m2 car parking.

The per-square meter value is then $60 million / 198,119.52 m2 = $302.84 revenue/m2 per year. We can then use this figure to compare against office space rents. This compares well against say what B-Grade commercial office space is leasing for in Brisbane (see Colliers data).

But revenues are half the story.

We know from Springfield's Park & Ride that a multi-storey car park like that could cost ~ $85,600 to construct per car space. If the car park generates $3924.90 per year revenue, then a rough way to look at things would be how many years to pay back the construction cost.*

$85,600 / $3924.90 = 21 years. The life of a car park might be 40-50 years before it would need replacement. Would be interesting to see how that compared to say, office construction or warehousing.

In any case, long term car park expansion is in conflict with BNE's Long Term goals for the site. BAC wants to put hotels, offices, warehouses etc there. Basically anything and everything that isn't residential or agriculture. BAC can't do that if the land area is consumed by car parking. BNE might have a lot of land, but not all of it is a convenient walk from the terminals.

References

BAC Annual Report 2022
https://www.bne.com.au/sites/default/files/no-index/BAC-Annual-Report_2022.pdf

AS 2890 – Parking Facilities
https://trafficparking.com.au/2890.1-2004(+A1).pdf

Colliers Commercial Leasing Rates
https://www.colliers.com.au/en-au/research/quarterly-asset-class-snapshots-q3-2022

Model: Net Present Value Exercise :is- :-c

* A more sophisticated treatment would:

- Forecast the future revenues for the car park for the life of the car park (say 45 years asset life at long-term AU GDP 3.35%)
- Discount these at 7% (the Infrastructure Australia Discount Rate)
- Sum it all up to get the present value of the future revenue stream
- Subtract the construction cost to get Net Present Value (NPV).

This would then output approximately the sale value of the car park if it were sold.

To extract a generic multi-storey car park construction cost as an input, I could use the six-storey car park being constructed at Caboolture Hospital.
(I feel the Springfield P&R one is a bit on the high side)
https://metronorth.health.qld.gov.au/caboolture/caboolture-hospital-redevelopment/project-overview

QuoteThe Queensland Government has committed $46.6 million to deliver a new six floor Multi-Storey Carpark for Caboolture Hospital. The new carpark will include over 1,000 parking spaces in a mix of multi-story and at-grade facilities.

(Note - It's 1080 spaces)

This gives $43,148 as the average car park construction cost.

Model of Future Cash Flows/Revenues

Year.        Revenue.    Discounted.           
0        3924.9        3924.9        DR    7%
1        4056.19        3790.83        AU GDP    3.35%
2        4191.87        3661.34           
3        4332.09        3536.27        PV    $91,674.65
4        4476.99        3415.48        Construct    $43,000
5        4626.75        3298.81        NPV    $48,674.65
6        4781.51        3186.12           
7        4941.46        3077.29           
8        5106.75        2972.17           
9        5277.57        2870.65           
10        5454.10        2772.59           
11        5636.54        2677.88           
12        5825.08        2586.41           
13        6019.93        2498.06           
14        6221.30        2412.73           
15        6429.40        2330.31           
16        6644.47        2250.71           
17        6866.72        2173.83           
18        7096.42        2099.57           
19        7333.79        2027.85           
20        7579.11        1958.59           
21        7832.63        1891.68           
22        8094.63        1827.06           
23        8365.39        1764.65           
24        8645.22        1704.38           
25        8934.40        1646.16           
26        9233.25        1589.92           
27        9542.11        1535.61           
28        9861.29        1483.16           
29        10191.15        1432.50           
30        10532.04        1383.56           
31        10884.34        1336.30           
32        11248.42        1290.66           
33        11624.68        1246.57           
34        12013.53        1203.99           
35        12415.38        1162.86           
36        12830.67        1123.14           
37        13259.86        1084.77           
38        13703.40        1047.72           
39        14161.78        1011.93           
40        14635.49        977.36           
41        15125.05        943.98           
42        15630.98        911.73           
43        16153.84        880.59           
44        16694.19        850.51           
45        17252.61        821.46           
                       
Note - Not financial advice, academic exercise for forum discussion purposes only.

Comments

From the above a car park at Brisbane Airport has an estimated value through this approach at ~ $48,674.65.

In other words, there is about ~ $744,089,374 worth of car parking sitting at Brisbane Airport.  :yikes:

That is a truly enormous amount of money embodied in car parking assets.

Note, if we know the construction cost and the NPV we can also output an estimate for the BCR:

Value of Car Park Space $48,674.65 / $43,000 construction cost = BCR 1.13

:is-

Notes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-lN5xORIwc

One problem with your calculations. It's commonwealth land under the airport act. Local and state rules mostly do not apply. No need for multiple levels of permits required from multiple bodies. Work hours and noise restrictions are also different. This dramatically cuts costs. Also due to its close proximity to the gateway motorway and other large scale business such as Wagners being next door also helps keep costs down. Having large amounts of land available for storing materials also keeps costs down.

Also using data on the back of a pandemic isn't helpful aswell as it skews your argument. As I said elsewhere before the pandemic they were making nearly 70 million in profit per year on revenue exceeding $100 million.

China is opening up from Jan 8, so get ready for the onslaught of new flights and previous ones flying into Brisbane prior to COVID. 👍

New satellites will be launched into orbit that will improve air safety in Australia.


The Guardian--->Australian satellites to be launched on SpaceX rocket in bid to close air traffic gaps | SpaceX | The Guardian (https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2022/dec/27/australian-satellites-to-be-launched-on-spacex-rocket-in-bid-to-close-air-traffic-gaps)

Bonza the 'bogan' airline has had a tough year – but it may finally be about to take off
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/07/bonza-the-bogan-airline-has-had-a-tough-year-but-it-may-finally-be-about-to-take-off

I read the article, and it just sounds like they are just asking for or inviting bankruptcy. TigerAir was, and Jetstar is not profitable. Virgin Airlines got out of the budget space because the money is being made at the top end (business) not at the bottom.

QuoteA frustrating wait for approval to fly has left Australia's new low-cost carrier on the sidelines as demand and airfares soar. Now the credibility of its brand faces the real test

The brand stinks, what is the investment firm thinking?

QuoteAfter issuing a call out to regional councils to gauge their interest in attracting the airline's services, it has set up its base on the Sunshine Coast. It initially plans to offer services to 17 airports, including Cairns, the Whitsunday Coast, Melbourne, Port Macquarie, Newcastle and Mildura – but not Sydney.

This is a huge mistake! A better idea is to run flights out of Western Sydney Airport when it opens in 2026.

QuoteIn early 2022, the airline said customers should expect to pay about $50 for every hour they are in the air. Tony Webber, a former chief economist at Qantas, says that promise could be impossible to keep without making a loss, given that jet fuel prices have almost doubled in the past year.

Ignore the numbers at your own peril!  :frs:  :yikes:

It will be interesting to watch.

I'm also not sure why you're mad at the avoiding Sydney at launch, then talking about Western Sydney airport which doesn't open for a few years yet... If they're still around, i'd imagine they'll be on it like flies on poop. But they can't fly to an airport that isn't open!

Thanks for the comment.

I think there is an under appreciation around timing.

A project that is done too early or before it's time will generate a lower future revenue stream which will devalue the business.

Similarly, a project done too late or after an opportunity has passed will also devalue the business in the same way.

IMO this company has got the wrong time and the wrong place. Whether the industry itself is profitable to even enter is also questionable.

That said, some other company will probably take up the window of opportunity that Western Sydney Airport is.

Smh--->Budget airline Bonza finally licensed to fly (http://[url=https://amp.smh.com.au/business/companies/budget-airline-bonza-finally-licensed-to-fly-20230112-p5cc5h.html)

^^Breaking

Couriermail --> Civil Aviation Safety Authority grants fledgling budget airline Bonza certification (https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/budget-airline-bonza-gets-green-light-for-take-off/news-story/0514c6728380c38569a910bef80b219d) $

QuoteBudget carrier Bonza gets approval for its aircraft – named Sheila, Shazza and Bazza – to begin flights to 19 domestic destinations within weeks.

Bonza will become Australia's first new major airline in more than 15 years after gaining approval to operate commercial flights.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority confirmed on Thursday it had granted the budget carrier an air operator certificate, clearing a path for takeoff within weeks.

Bonza chief executive officer Tim Jordan said it was an "historic moment for Australian aviation as we get ready to launch the country's only independent low-cost carrier".

"The excitement for what we are about to deliver is palpable and the timing couldn't be better," Mr Jordan said. "Demand for domestic travel is high and Aussies deserve for travel to be a basic right for many, not a luxury for a few." ...

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1613535121751314435

ABC News --> New airline Bonza given green light for flights across regional Australia (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/new-airline-bonza-approved-by-casa-regional-australia-flights/101849982?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=twitter&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web)

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1613535121751314435

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With the recent announcement of late night flights returning back to Brisbane provides the need for later public transport services.

The Gold Glider via Skygate can't come soon enough and will be welcomed by many travellers arriving between 9.45pm and midnight 7 days a week.

Too bad the bus to the airport doesn't run after 6pm!

Quote from: verbatim9 on January 16, 2023, 19:26:58 PMWith the recent announcement of late night flights returning back to Brisbane provides the need for later public transport services.

The Gold Glider via Skygate can't come soon enough and will be welcomed by many travellers arriving between 9.45pm and midnight 7 days a week.

A good opportunity to.extend the Gold Glider to the airport where peak demand can subsidise off peak demand like other well patronised bus services throughout Brisbane.

You don't have to quote yourself for a reply you just made.

Having the Glider extended to the airport along with regular BAC shuttle services from the air terminals to the international Cruise terminal via Skygate will provide a good networked solution for the travelling public.

So BAC are running the shuttles to the cruise terminal?

Brisbanetimes --> Noise complaints about Brisbane flights heard from 226 suburbs (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/noise-complaints-about-brisbane-flights-heard-from-226-suburbs-20230310-p5cr56.html)

QuoteThe chorus of noise complaints about aircraft using Brisbane Airport has grown so resounding it is being heard from 226 suburbs.

This was "very concerning" given Brisbane had only 190 suburbs, said Marcus Foth, the chief executive of the Brisbane Flight Path Community Alliance. ...

 :o  :eo:

Quote from: ozbob on March 11, 2023, 13:52:24 PMBrisbanetimes --> Noise complaints about Brisbane flights heard from 226 suburbs (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/noise-complaints-about-brisbane-flights-heard-from-226-suburbs-20230310-p5cr56.html)

QuoteThe chorus of noise complaints about aircraft using Brisbane Airport has grown so resounding it is being heard from 226 suburbs.

This was "very concerning" given Brisbane had only 190 suburbs, said Marcus Foth, the chief executive of the Brisbane Flight Path Community Alliance. ...

 :o  :eo:

Being someone who lives quite close to the Airport (Nundah), it's barely an issue. Most day's I don't even notice it, and when I do it's no where near as bad as people make it out to be. All an fuss about nothing IMO.

If you can't put up with the noise move further from the airport! And while you're at it move away from any road because those pesky trucks driving past boy are a nuisance. Oh and make sure you don't have a neighbour with kids! Oh, and don't live near a railway line! Those freight trains are super loud too! Like it's all part of living in an urban environment. If you want peace and quiet, don't live in the city. If you want the convenience of having an airport nearby, then put up with it.

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1662455538654019586

Queensland Parliament E-Petition

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-the-Assembly/Petitions/Petition-Details?id=3904

EXCESSIVE NOISE POLLUTION FROM BRISBANE'S FLIGHT PATHS

TO: The Honourable the Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly of Queensland
Queensland residents draws to the attention of the House Airservices Australia admitted in Senate Estimates that families and communities in more than 226 suburbs across Greater Brisbane are affected by noise pollution from Brisbane's flight paths. Three independent entities, the Aircraft Noise Ombudsman, the Brisbane Airport PIR Advisory Forum, and Trax International confirmed inadequate engagement and inaccurate information were provided by Brisbane Airport Corporation and Airservices Australia about changes to flight paths prior to the New Parallel Runway's launch. Since then, thousands of complaints have been sent to the Premier.

Your petitioners, therefore, request the House to establish a Parliamentary Inquiry into the impact of Brisbane's flight paths and ways to rectify the situation using the powers and advocacy of the State of Queensland. The inquiry's scope should encompass: (i) the clinical and cognitive effects of aircraft noise on Brisbane school children and students; (ii) the human health and environmental toll including ultra-fine particle air pollution; (iii) the influence of the aviation industry's donations to political parties and lobby groups; (iv) the need to reform state planning legislation as a result of inadequacies identified in the National Airports Safeguarding Framework 2016 with relying on Australian Noise Exposure Forecasts (ANEF) for land use planning; (v) the failure to engage communities and obtain a social licence to operate drone delivery services and air taxis in Queensland.

QuoteNew Australian airline Bonza scraps five routes, reduces regional flights due to low demand

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-13/sunshine-coast-bonza-slights-scrapped/102596110

QuoteBudget airline Bonza has announced it will scrap five routes and reduce the number of flights to some destinations due to a lack of "sustainable demand".

Key points:
Bonza is cutting five routes and reducing frequencies for some flights
The airline has apologised to affected customers
The company says it is focusing on reliability and servicing areas with proven demand
The airline, which only began taking passengers in January this year, will no longer fly from its Sunshine Coast base to Port Macquarie, Coffs Harbour and Tamworth.

Flights from Toowoomba to the Whitsundays and Cairns to Mackay have also been culled.

Not really surprising. The origin-destination pairs didn't seem very compelling.

Makes you wonder what the basis for choosing the routes were? Was there a basis at all? :conf:

My hunch is it will go broke within 2-3 years. REX might buy pieces of it after that.

:is-

Their capacity utilisation is actually quite good (was around 90% for the first month of operation I think).  The routes that were dropped were clearly the more marginal ones and they have bumped up some of the services that are more popular.

Also understand they may have had to send a plane back to Canada for use at one of the parent's other carriers which probably means less reliability if they were to keep offering the previous timetable.

Airtrain/QldGovt negotiations re the state buying out the Airtrain infrastructure....wonder what ever happened to that?  :conf:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/airtrain-in-negotiation-to-exit-contract-ending-airport-monopoly-20221103-p5bv8g.html

Quote from: SteelPan on September 10, 2023, 03:58:05 AMAirtrain/QldGovt negotiations re the state buying out the Airtrain infrastructure....wonder what ever happened to that?  :conf:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/airtrain-in-negotiation-to-exit-contract-ending-airport-monopoly-20221103-p5bv8g.html

Appears to be a stalemate at this time  :woz:

Told you. They are going to hold onto it as much as possible as they know the contract value.

The value of Airtrain decreases with each year towards expiry. At contact expiry the value is zero from Airtain's perspective, unless Airtrain gets an extension. This is because the value of a company is directly related to its future income stream.

The second option is to vary the contract so that additional Airtrain services are put on in the off-peak. This solves the problem and could be in the form of a shadow toll paid by the State Government.

Sydney Airtrain had something similar. The QLD Gov needs to decide if it wants more services, lower fares, or both.

This isn't a Sydney situation to renegotiate contracts. Sydney got into that position and changed the contract terms with its at the time owner that its multiple different owners want to change back to have a bigger profit but the state says no. It's a boot scheme. Ownership reverts back to the state once the contract expires. There is no guarantee that a new contract would be done with similar exclusivity's. They are holding onto the exclusivity that they hold. They don't care about renewing the contract. Legally bcc or anyone else can't run public buses there. Any public transport can't be run there. With the massive influx of people coming into brisbane there's a couple options for catching the train. Maintain pricing or have the state come in and subsidise the difference which either way means a massive profit for them. That's just using the train. Should buses be run that entitles them to more compensation as they still can set the terms for pricing. If the state inflated the amount of people coming that works against them as it only means compensation for future loses and breaking the contract. Shadow tolls do not apply here and won't work. You simply can not compare Sydney to brisbane other than they both have trains that stop at the airport.

https://x.com/ozbob13/status/1701614128727785503?

Response to the Excessive noise pollution from Brisbane's flight paths E-Petition presented to the Queensland Parliament

> https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/apps/E-Petitions/Home/DownloadResponse/9ea171dc-4c32-4b99-876f-76eaa0ed050c

There is more noise from modified cars, garbage trucks and leaf blowers than there will ever be from planes in this city.

It will be exciting to see the new updated master plan with the new terminal. Plus the new associated mass transit options such as an automated inter terminal train as well as Skygate station. Altogether, it will be a great 24/7 precinct in the future.

Quote from: verbatim9 on September 24, 2023, 12:05:31 PMIt will be exciting to see the new updated master plan with the new terminal. Plus the new associated mass transit options such as an automated inter terminal train as well as Skygate station. It will be a great 24/7 precinct in the future.

When is this plan expected to be released?

Quote from: RowBro on September 24, 2023, 12:07:29 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on September 24, 2023, 12:05:31 PMIt will be exciting to see the new updated master plan with the new terminal. Plus the new associated mass transit options such as an automated inter terminal train as well as Skygate station. It will be a great 24/7 precinct in the future.

When is this plan expected to be released?

Within the coming year.

And most likely will be like every other "Master Plan" for the precinct - Glossy brochures that come to nothing in the future. Hmmm, that seems familiar actually...

Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport starts work on $5b redevelopment (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-airport-starts-work-on-5b-redevelopment/news-story/9c8d046a178c339420e542a6b1014f15) $

QuoteBrisbane Airport will this week launch a $5 billion redevelopment set to transform Queensland's gateway to the world.

Phase one of the 10-year project will see a complete overhaul of airport entryways and access to flights at the domestic terminal, with travellers able to move straight from the car park to a new security screening system while passengers can relax pre-flight in cafe-style gate lounges or enjoy the offerings of almost a dozen new dining outlets.

A new mezzanine level will give travellers with carry-on luggage direct access to a state-of-the-art security screening zone with new technology able to scan electronic equipment such as laptops and computer tablets without the need for it to be removed from luggage. ...

Future BNE Projects

> https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/future-bne-projects

^^New seamless connections to the plane when getting off the train.

Delta announces flights into Brisbane bringing the total number of passengers flights across airlines to 5 a day to the USA, likewise with arrivals. Then you also have the Air Canada flights on top.

Wow, with Brisbane Airport announcing all these extra flights recently, ground transport will be in high demand.

I hope negotiations with Airtrain can increase ground transport capacity at a reasonable price as well.

BNE will be putting that second runway to good use!

Questions over Bonza Airlines future.

Not surprised at all. Odd network, LCC model with no opportunity for cross-subsidy either from an airline parent company or from higher-margin business travelers.

https://x.com/ozbob13/status/1785101427620421926

ABC News --> Bonza budget airline cancels flights across the country as it considers 'viability' of business (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-30/bonza-flights-cancelled-business-viability-question/103783236)

QuoteEmbattled regional airline Bonza has cancelled flights across the country today, stranding potentially thousands of passengers, as it considers its future.

Early Bonza flights in and out of its base on Queensland's Sunshine Coast, along with Melbourne legs to Rockhampton, Gladstone and Tamworth were all cancelled this morning.

Bonza CEO Tim Jordan released a statement just after 8am saying all services would be "temporarily suspended".

He said discussions were being had about the ongoing viability of the business.

Mr Jordan apologised to customers, saying Bonza was trying to find a way to keep flying.

Bonza's financial position has been the subject of intense speculation since its first flight early last year. ...

IIRC, I did mention on the forum a while back this would be Bonza's likely fate.

Budget airlines in Australia are generally loss making as they don't have the benefit of business class passengers who are willing to pay more to get more.

If the budget carrier is not associated with a full service parent airline, there is no cross subsidy opportunity either to prop it up.

IMO the base would be better set at Western Sydney Airport when it opens as well.

Unless Rex buys them, I think they will go into administration soon.

I would have used them, if it weren't for their shonky parent company and poor fleet availability meaning constant cancellations. I like going to out of the way destinations, but dont want to risk being stranded and having to rebook for $$$$ on another airline, negating any savings.

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I am reading the company board has now put Bonza into Voluntary Administration.

It is difficult to believe a positive business case existed from the outset.

Bonanza wiped from departure boards
https://amp.smh.com.au/business/companies/bonza-wiped-from-departure-boards-as-ceo-mulls-future-20240430-p5fnkp.html

Quote from: #Metro on February 15, 2022, 06:29:54 AMI reckon this new airline will be bankrupt within 24 months.

There is no money to be made in low-cost carriers. The market is already highly competitive.

Business travel is what brings in the dollars, not leisure.

well called.....as much as i would like to post a smiley emoji....there are people who will be losing jobs...

https://x.com/ozbob13/status/1785492781273907481

https://x.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1786218738427294105

Quote from: ozbob on May 03, 2024, 12:38:34 PMNew Bus Services to Western Sydney Airport Precinct May 2024

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2024/New-Bus-Services-for-Western-Sydney-Airport-Precinct_May-2024.pdf

Well organised unlike PT to and from Wellcamp here in Toowoomba. They should extend a bus service to Wellcamp Airport or create a new one.

Why?

Because they don't have a cruise terminal.

https://www.wellcamp.com.au/passengers/fly/flight-status/

Although looking at todays arrival and departures they need a high frequency maglev to the cbd.

Quote from: verbatim9 on May 03, 2024, 16:46:14 PM

Quote from: ozbob on May 03, 2024, 12:38:34 PMNew Bus Services to Western Sydney Airport Precinct May 2024

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2024/New-Bus-Services-for-Western-Sydney-Airport-Precinct_May-2024.pdf

Well organised unlike PT to and from Wellcamp here in Toowoomba. They should extend a bus service to Wellcamp Airport or create a new one.

Yeah, because demand at WTB is likely to be the same as WSI. 🙄🙄🙄

WSI is forecast to serve 10 mil passengers in its first year. How long do you think it will take WTB to reach that mark?

Couriermail --> Flights subsidy furore at Brisbane Airport as aircraft noise takes off (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/flights-subsidy-furore-at-brisbane-airport-as-aircraft-noise-takes-off/news-story/e39a804ba3904c4c4d0d2bec9b9ed0cc) $

QuoteThe state government is under fire after revelations it is subsidising dozens of late night and early morning flights into and out of Brisbane Airport, contributing to aircraft noise.

New data to a senate inquiry has revealed the government is helping bankroll up to 50 flights a week between 10am and 6pm via its $200m Attracting Aviation Investment Fund.

The subsidised flights include a daily 1.55am service to Dubai by Emirates, the United Arab Emirates-owned airline which posted a record $A4.1bn half-year profit last November.

The government set up the aviation war chest in partnership with Queensland's major airports in 2022 to help the state recover from Covid, providing kickbacks to airlines to encourage extra flights.

Almost 30 services have been added with the help of the fund, which is claimed to have delivered an extra two million inbound seats and $1.82bn in overnight visitor spending. ...

Quote from: Courier-MailNew data to a senate inquiry has revealed the government is helping bankroll up to 50 flights a week between 10am and 6pm via its $200m Attracting Aviation Investment Fund.

So the QLD govt can subsidise a commercial flight to Qatar for people's holidays but not a coach between Brisbane and Toowoomba to bring it into the TL system or add top-up services to Airtrain.

:fo:

I have no issue with providing incentives for airlines to fly into Brisbane rather a Melbourne or Sydney. The late night departure slots just make sense travelling to Europe as most people prefer those flights. In addition those slots are traditionally more commercially viable as they are cheaper and provide the best connections in Asia and the Middle East for onward journeys.

The aircraft noise issue is just virtue signalling from the Greens as well as from very small cohort of residents that bought or currently rent near the airport.

The Greens just want to ruin tourism opportunities, increase freight costs (supply chains) as we as make it more expensive to travel.

They have ruined Brisbane's reputation as an Olympic city with the Gabba rhetoric, now they want to ruin supply chains as well as tourism opportunities for the state as well as Australia.

Their inquires are both hypocritical and counter productive both into aircraft noise and supermarket pricing and general supply chains.

Around 75% of air traffic at Brisbane airport is for domestic air traffic. We have some of the busiest passenger flight routes in the world (Brisbane-Sydney is ranked #25 and Sydney-Melbourne #5). Obviously many inter-city travellers will always fly, no matter the options, but since this is Rail BoT, lack of good rail between Brisbane and Sydney is a pretty major issue.

Lack of WiFi and reliable internet (4G/5G pretty spotty out there from what I hear), lack of sleeper options, and a coach that runs a good part of the way come to the top of my head of "easier" issues to fix. HSR would be the real airline killer but that, even optimistically, would be a few decades away.

Quote from: verbatim9 on May 12, 2024, 11:21:09 AMThe Greens just want to ruin tourism opportunities, increase freight costs (supply chains) as we as make it more expensive to travel.

They have ruined Brisbane's reputation as an Olympic city with the Gabba rhetoric, now they want to ruin supply chains as well as tourism opportunities for the state as well as Australia.

My sympathies to people who have issues with airline noises, as where I am, >10km to the airport, they can be loud enough to briefly wake me up at 10:30pm. The Green-bashing is a bit unwarranted, I don't think "they" want to ruin Brisbane's reputation as an Olympic city and tourism opportunities yada yada. They are prone to populism, which is deserving of cynicism, but the other parties are just as prone to it (if not more...).

Quote from: #Metro on May 12, 2024, 09:00:09 AM

Quote from: Courier-MailNew data to a senate inquiry has revealed the government is helping bankroll up to 50 flights a week between 10am and 6pm via its $200m Attracting Aviation Investment Fund.

So the QLD govt can subsidise a commercial flight to Qatar for people's holidays but not a coach between Brisbane and Toowoomba to bring it into the TL system or add top-up services to Airtrain.

:fo:

The aim of the Attracting Aviation Investment Fund from memory is to "attract Inbound Tourism" from developing routes/airlines into Queensland "in the name of Tourism and Jobs for Queensland".

Of course, it's not always a raging success (mixed outcomes thus far) and of course there are outside factors such as the AUD$ against those markets, especially when its AUD vs USD.

Similar to QTTC/QT/State Government interactions at the time for the AirTrain deed getting tourists to Brisbane and the Gold Coast. God knows how many random events Lucas and Beattie opened over those years at the Holiday Inn and Sofitel. You don't get to see many special charter trains now that you used to see back then.

Why Did Bonza Fail? ABC