POLL: Most burning issues for SEQ PT - try 2

[somebody]

A more meaningful poll

[HappyTrainGuy]

I don't see why Doomben duplication has to be singled out. I'd rather see other lines duplicated before Doomben.

[Arnz]

I'd still put Landsborough-Nambour realignment and duplication ahead of CAMCOS for freight and money making reasons.  Considering the government still has a (now smaller) stake in QRNational.

[ozbob]

At the combined lines CRG this evening, the CCO (Chief Customer Officer) detailed five things (issues) that they are most engaged with customers.

Fares excluded as they said this is a TransLink responsibility.

1. Communication

2. Security - safety

3. Car parking issues

4. Toilets

5. Air conditioning on trains

None of these issues are options on the above list ...

[Derwan]

Cross River Rail!

[somebody]

I don't see why Doomben duplication has to be singled out. I'd rather see other lines duplicated before Doomben.

Like what are you thinking?  All those other lines can support 15 minute frequencies without further infrastructure.  Well, I guess there is the Cleveland line which also requires some amplifications to eliminate the precision crosses.

I could not support the Redbank triple, Coomera-Helensvale, Airport, Sandgate-Shorncliffe duplications being put ahead of doing something about the Doomben line.

At the combined lines CRG this evening, the CCO (Chief Customer Officer) detailed five things (issues) that they are most engaged with customers.

Fares excluded as they said this is a TransLink responsibility.

1. Communication

2. Security - safety

3. Car parking issues

4. Toilets

5. Air conditioning on trains

None of these issues are options on the above list ...

No, but the CRG cannot discuss Translink issues effectively.

You surely aren't saying that you think those issues are more important than most of the issues in the poll.

Cross River Rail!

Good point, but I'm more thinking about what they can solve nearer term.

CRR is a bit of an axiom.

[ozbob]

You surely aren't saying that you think those issues are more important than most of the issues in the poll.

Here we go again, don't read things into something that is not there.  I am simply reporting what the main issues are from the Queensland Rail perspective that are raised by customers. Some people may well see these issues as more important than issues on your list. 

Any list that attempts to rank priorities is only relevant for that small set.  There are many other possible options. 

Clearly, IMHO the biggest issues are the infrastructure and resourcing shortfalls.  Unless they are addressed real increases in frequency, peak, off peak and counter peak are but pipe dreams ...

[HappyTrainGuy]

Personally I'd rather see more rollingstock first to cope with the extra demand with upcoming projects (Which is already in the pipeline), Shorncliffe and Cleveland duplications that way after Kippa Ring is built trains could run Caboolture-Ipswich/Springfield-Kippa Ring/Shorncliffe-Cleveland (Remember Caboolture trains used to run to Cleveland not too long ago) while eliminating the Shorncliffe-Bowen Hills cross and moving it to Petrie where theres less traffic from other lines to consider, Nambour realignment/duplication, CAMCOS, duplication of the small remaining single section on the GCL, Kuraby to Beenleigh triplication/realignment, CCR and Lawnton/Caboolture triplicated to handle express services/all stations/traveltrain/freight services.

While Doomben might have benefits of giving it a 15 minute frequency where would those services run to?

[O_128]

A duplicated and extended Doomben line has massive benefits especially as there will be thousands of people living in this area in 5 years.

[ozbob]

Personally I'd rather see more rollingstock first to cope with the extra demand with upcoming projects (Which is already in the pipeline), Shorncliffe and Cleveland duplications that way after Kippa Ring is built trains could run Caboolture-Ipswich/Springfield-Kippa Ring/Shorncliffe-Cleveland (Remember Caboolture trains used to run to Cleveland not too long ago) while eliminating the Shorncliffe-Bowen Hills cross and moving it to Petrie where theres less traffic from other lines to consider, Nambour realignment/duplication, CAMCOS, duplication of the small remaining single section on the GCL, Kuraby to Beenleigh triplication/realignment, CCR and Lawnton/Caboolture triplicated to handle express services/all stations/traveltrain/freight services.

While Doomben might have benefits of giving it a 15 minute frequency where would those services run to?

Got to agree HTG with resources (in which I include rolling stock and train crew).  At a mimimum there is a 4 to 5 year lead time, the present order is nearly complete (1 more SMU, 6 IMU  I think) and that's it.    Not looking overly bright for any real capacity growth after phase 2 is it?

The infrastructure stuff is also pressing.

[somebody]

Wow, 16 voters in less than 24 hours!

Personally I'd rather see more rollingstock first to cope with the extra demand with upcoming projects (Which is already in the pipeline), Shorncliffe and Cleveland duplications that way after Kippa Ring is built trains could run Caboolture-Ipswich/Springfield-Kippa Ring/Shorncliffe-Cleveland (Remember Caboolture trains used to run to Cleveland not too long ago) while eliminating the Shorncliffe-Bowen Hills cross and moving it to Petrie where theres less traffic from other lines to consider, Nambour realignment/duplication, CAMCOS, duplication of the small remaining single section on the GCL, Kuraby to Beenleigh triplication/realignment, CCR and Lawnton/Caboolture triplicated to handle express services/all stations/traveltrain/freight services.

While Doomben might have benefits of giving it a 15 minute frequency where would those services run to?

Great point with the rollingstock.  CRR could not be properly utilised without more rollingstock.

Why do you need duplications for Shorncliffe-Cleveland?  I tend to think Shorncliffe-Manly + Doomben-Cleveland in the very short term.

Eliminating the Shorncliffe-Bowen Hills cross has already been done, assuming you are meaning the conflicting move.

[SurfRail]

I'm not overly concerned about rollingstock - they are about to order 200 3 car trains, which will be I believe the second biggest urban electric rollingstock order in the country's history (the largest is the Waratah contract).  The more important problem is how they will be configured and where they will be stabled.

I voted for legibility, because it is probably the easiest thing to fix with some tangible benefits.  Rationalising large numbers of rockets and stopping patterns in the south-east and north-side of Brisbane in particular will free up resources to make the off-peak run better.  QR is cleaning up its stopping patterns to a single pattern for each station other than junctions (exception of the Sunshine Coast line), so why are the buses exempt?  If the system is so dense with route numbers it can't be mapped properly, something is seriously wrong...

Also, TransLink's maps, interchange diagrams, timetable formats and so forth are in numerous (and often incorrect) formats.  Station signage is slowly improving, but errors are still creeping in.

Yesterday when heading home for instance, I noticed that they have now done a whole swag of station name signs on the Beenleigh line during the day, but the names are not italicised.  This leads to the absurd situation at Loganlea where one side is in italics from having been done months before and the other side is not!  Really basic things which don't cost anything to get right and play on my anally-retentive sense of style/formatting consistency.

[mufreight]

Reading the responses to this thread I really wonder,
Without the construction of CRR the capacity to operate additional rollingstock and increase frequency is bordering on non-existent,
Without the track amplification between Lawnton and Petrie and CRR the additional services from the line to KippaRing will completely choke the system from Petrie to the CBD.
Without track amplification between Beerburrum and Nambour the NCL is at capacity and so it goes,
the key need here is infrustructure that is needed to support higher frequencies,
Yes, more rollingstock is needed and follow on orders of another six to eight trains a year will be needed to meet the growth and fill in the gap until the start of the roll out of next generation trains commences in we have been told effectively about six years but again no provision has been made here either.
Increased frequencies are achievable now off peak but again there are the constraints of crews and operating costs and that only is rail.
The money bucket only holds so much so if the money is spent on increased frequencies desirable as they may be it can not be spent on the infrastructure needed to enable the capacity and frequency growth needed for the peaks and the longer the delay in commencing theconstruction of the presently overdue infrastructure the higher the cost not only to construct it but also to operate the system to meet the present demand until the point is eventualy reached where there is neither the money needed to operate the system nor to provide the infrastructure needed to enable the system to operate effectively.

[Fares_Fair]

I voted for Fare hikes, Peak services and Duplication for Nambour (not Doomben)

Last night after the CRG I had to wait until 8:30pm for a train home to the Sunshine Coast.
The previous service departing Roma St at 7:00pm. (is that still peak ?)

I would not have included Doomben and Nambour together.
Respondents now need to say which they mean or the poll is ambiguous on that point, i.e. which line. (Sorry Simon)

Thank you,

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[somebody]

mufreight, going to respond to your points:

> Without the construction of CRR the capacity to operate additional rollingstock and increase frequency is bordering on non-existent,
I will grant it is limited.  Presuming, of course that you are referring to peak frequency.

> Without the track amplification between Lawnton and Petrie and CRR the additional services from the line to KippaRing will completely choke the system from Petrie to the CBD.
So, 20tph is insufficient for Virginia-Nambour + Kippa-Ring?  In 2014?  2031?

> Without track amplification between Beerburrum and Nambour the NCL is at capacity and so it goes,
That's what they said in the old timetable, and the 6 June 2011 timetable, and hey presto, we have additional services.  I simply don't believe this point.  Although there are significant limits to the capacity, and a reasonable service cannot be provided especially in the off peak.

I would not have included Doomben and Nambour together.
Respondents now need to say which they mean or the poll is ambiguous on that point, i.e. which line. (Sorry Simon)

No, you don't have to say that.  I explicitly meant to include them together.  Does the combined weight of those upgrades exceed the value of the other issues in my list?

It is my view than Doomben line upgrades are needed to free the PET/CAB/NBR trains from serving Albion and Wooloowin.

[Gazza]

By the way, I accidentally voted for Off Peak fare structure, when I meant to vote for Off Peak services, keep that in mind when counting results.

[somebody]

By the way, I accidentally voted for Off Peak fare structure, when I meant to vote for Off Peak services, keep that in mind when counting results.

You should be able to remove your vote and re-cast it.

[Fares_Fair]

mufreight, going to respond to your points:

> Without the construction of CRR the capacity to operate additional rollingstock and increase frequency is bordering on non-existent,
I will grant it is limited.  Presuming, of course that you are referring to peak frequency.

> Without the track amplification between Lawnton and Petrie and CRR the additional services from the line to KippaRing will completely choke the system from Petrie to the CBD.
So, 20tph is insufficient for Virginia-Nambour + Kippa-Ring?  In 2014?  2031?

> Without track amplification between Beerburrum and Nambour the NCL is at capacity and so it goes,
That's what they said in the old timetable, and the 6 June 2011 timetable, and hey presto, we have additional services.  I simply don't believe this point.  Although there are significant limits to the capacity, and a reasonable service cannot be provided especially in the off peak.

I would not have included Doomben and Nambour together.
Respondents now need to say which they mean or the poll is ambiguous on that point, i.e. which line. (Sorry Simon)

No, you don't have to say that.  I explicitly meant to include them together.  Does the combined weight of those upgrades exceed the value of the other issues in my list?

It is my view than Doomben line upgrades are needed to free the PET/CAB/NBR trains from serving Albion and Wooloowin.

Do you have information to justify that opinion ?
I only ask because I have not heard that point made before, nor is it mentioned in all of the reports I have collated (maybe I missed it).

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[O_128]

Surely the amount of people that will be living in Doomben/Northshore gives that priority over the SC line. Not to mention the densification of Albion/Bowen Hills in the short term. I would definitely give this priority over people who choose to live 100km away than people who live 6km from the city with no service or a service so pathetic that it discourages using PT.

[Fares_Fair]

Surely the amount of people that will be living in Doomben/Northshore gives that priority over the SC line. Not to mention the densification of Albion/Bowen Hills in the short term. I would definitely give this priority over people who choose to live 100km away than people who live 6km from the city with no service or a service so pathetic that it discourages using PT.

Not according to this, our growth is projected at 60% over the next 20 years to 2031.
I have a report from the Inner City Rail Capacity Study, see below.

Inner City Rail Capacity Study: MBP (2008),
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/da0198b7-14c9-4603-98db-0bfa1ed65fe3/pdf_icrcs_stage_3_technical_pre_feasibility_appendix_a_3_passenger_demands.pdf

This study produced for Queensland Transport and jointly prepared by Maunsell |AECOM, Parsons Brinckerhoff, KPMG, Veitch Lister Consulting (vlc) and SYSTEMWIDE,
states in its';

Service Numbers – North  p20,
"The Caboolture and North Coast lines have the greatest forecast increase in patronage before 2026, whereas the Shorncliffe, Doomben and Airport lines are not expected to increase greatly."

Regards,
Fares_fair.

[somebody]

It is my view than Doomben line upgrades are needed to free the PET/CAB/NBR trains from serving Albion and Wooloowin.

Do you have information to justify that opinion ?
I only ask because I have not heard that point made before, nor is it mentioned in all of the reports I have collated (maybe I missed it).

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

Only logic.  I'm sure I have said it before in other words.  No one can suggest many other options for removing the CAB/PET/NBR trains from Albion pre-CRR.  Post CRR it may be possible in another way.

However, the options for removing Albion from the trains on the mains in peak at present (1-3) or with Doomben amplifications (4-6) are:
1) Albion & W are served by Shorncliffe (4tph) and Doomben (2tph) only - still has 15 minute gaps and very likely massive congestion on the Shorncliffe trains not preceded by Doomben trains.
2) Albion & W are served by Airport (4tph) and Doomben (2tph) only - requires negotiation with Airtrain and still results in a mediocre service with 15 minute gaps.
3) Albion & W are served by Shorncliffe (4tph), Airport (4tph) and Doomben (2tph) - Albion & W have a reasonable service, but the Shorncliffe trains still have questionable loadings.  Also 4tph at Nundah and Toombul all stations wouldn't be liked
4) Albion & W are served by Shorncliffe (4tph) and Doomben (4tph) - still has questionable loadings on the Shorncliffe trains.  Also 4tph at Nundah & Toombul all stations wouldn't be liked
5) Albion & W are served by Airport (4tph) and Doomben (4tph) only - requires negotiation with Airtrain
6) Albion & W are served by Shorncliffe (4tph), Airport (4tph) and Doomben (4tph) - Albion & W have a good service, but the Shorncliffe trains still have questionable loadings, and 4tph at Nundah and Toombul all stations wouldn't be liked

My favourite is option 5.  However, I think most people on this forum would prefer option 6.

Post CRR, it depends on the northern portal arrangements.  I'm not completely clear on what these will be.

[HappyTrainGuy]

I'm not overly concerned about rollingstock - they are about to order 200 3 car trains, which will be I believe the second biggest urban electric rollingstock order in the country's history (the largest is the Waratah contract).  The more important problem is how they will be configured and where they will be stabled.

Not really a big order... 200-88= 112. 112/2= 56 additional 6x car trains which is about the same as their last order (Going by the fleet production of the EMUs and including the write off of EMU05 in 2001 to get 88 3x car sets). Its still down to 3 tenders which should be announced next year.

It is my view than Doomben line upgrades are needed to free the PET/CAB/NBR trains from serving Albion and Wooloowin.

How about proposing Shorncliffe-Cleveland services and thus removing Nundah, Toombul, Wooloowin and Albion from the Caboolture stopping pattern while still giving those stations a 15m frequency with Kippa Ring/Shorncliffe-Springfield/Cleveland trains or if Kippa Ring is more popular have them run express and have caboolture stopping there.

Surely the amount of people that will be living in Doomben/Northshore gives that priority over the SC line.

Those two lines are like comparing oranges to apples. Doomben/Pinkenba only has passenger services and the odd shunter to dump carriages at the Hamilton sidings for tender. The Nambour/NCL is the holy grail of the network. It handles express trains, all stopping services, driver testing/train maintainence/test running, special services, historic runs, TavelTrain and freight (which QRN and PNQ pay them a substancial amount of money to use) all travelling between 60-160kph that leads to a bottleneck when the single track starts and having to fit over 400 assigned paths on that one tiny bit of track every week.

[somebody]

How about proposing Shorncliffe-Cleveland services and thus removing Nundah, Toombul, Wooloowin and Albion from the Caboolture stopping pattern while still giving those stations a 15m frequency with Kippa Ring/Shorncliffe-Springfield/Cleveland trains or if Kippa Ring is more popular have them run express and have caboolture stopping there.

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is a suggestion for off peak isn't it?  I was talking about peak hour.  Certainly, if you could get 4tph Manly/Cleveland - Shorncliffe off peak, I would be all for that.

[dwb]

Personally I'd rather see more rollingstock first to cope with the extra demand with upcoming projects (Which is already in the pipeline), Shorncliffe and Cleveland duplications that way after Kippa Ring is built trains could run Caboolture-Ipswich/Springfield-Kippa Ring/Shorncliffe-Cleveland (Remember Caboolture trains used to run to Cleveland not too long ago) while eliminating the Shorncliffe-Bowen Hills cross and moving it to Petrie where theres less traffic from other lines to consider, Nambour realignment/duplication, CAMCOS, duplication of the small remaining single section on the GCL, Kuraby to Beenleigh triplication/realignment, CCR and Lawnton/Caboolture triplicated to handle express services/all stations/traveltrain/freight services.

While Doomben might have benefits of giving it a 15 minute frequency where would those services run to?

Got to agree HTG with resources (in which I include rolling stock and train crew).  At a mimimum there is a 4 to 5 year lead time, the present order is nearly complete (1 more SMU, 6 IMU  I think) and that's it.    Not looking overly bright for any real capacity growth after phase 2 is it?

The infrastructure stuff is also pressing.

What about the NGR consultancy tender. You dont really expect them to order more trains until they know what they want and who can build them??

[dwb]

Last night after the CRG I had to wait until 8:30pm for a train home to the Sunshine Coast.
The previous service departing Roma St at 7:00pm. (is that still peak ?)

Yes this would be a peak fare as you have to enter the station tagging on before the train leaves.

Yes I am being facetious and yes I know you can take it.

Although seriously, I have argued for the redefinition of peak so that offpeak tickets would be available between 9am and 4pm and after 6pm (rather than from 930am to 330pm and after 7pm since June 2009.

[somebody]

I'm pretty wrapped in the response to this poll.  23 voters in less than 24 hours, and off peak service being the no 1 thing people want, clearly.  That's more voters than responded to the "Next most pressing buzification" poll.

Is this the most voted poll in RailBoT history?

[O_128]

Surely the amount of people that will be living in Doomben/Northshore gives that priority over the SC line. Not to mention the densification of Albion/Bowen Hills in the short term. I would definitely give this priority over people who choose to live 100km away than people who live 6km from the city with no service or a service so pathetic that it discourages using PT.

Not according to this, our growth is projected at 60% over the next 20 years to 2031.
I have a report from the Inner City Rail Capacity Study, see below.

Inner City Rail Capacity Study: MBP (2008),
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/da0198b7-14c9-4603-98db-0bfa1ed65fe3/pdf_icrcs_stage_3_technical_pre_feasibility_appendix_a_3_passenger_demands.pdf

This study produced for Queensland Transport and jointly prepared by Maunsell |AECOM, Parsons Brinckerhoff, KPMG, Veitch Lister Consulting (vlc) and SYSTEMWIDE,
states in its';

Service Numbers – North  p20,
"The Caboolture and North Coast lines have the greatest forecast increase in patronage before 2026, whereas the Shorncliffe, Doomben and Airport lines are not expected to increase greatly."

Regards,
Fares_fair.

So why cant these people work on the coast, all thats going to happen are some housing estates will be built and no jobs, and the government will be expected to build new roads and rail so these people can travel to Brisbane. Doomben line if extended will cater for people traveling to and from the city, support jobs in the area in the office buildings planned, and the new services will make the other stations on the line a lot more attractive than they are currently. We need to be focusing on making sure the transport works in Brisbane rather than spreading ourselves to thin.

[dwb]

So why cant these people work on the coast, all thats going to happen are some housing estates will be built and no jobs, and the government will be expected to build new roads and rail so these people can travel to Brisbane. Doomben line if extended will cater for people traveling to and from the city, support jobs in the area in the office buildings planned, and the new services will make the other stations on the line a lot more attractive than they are currently. We need to be focusing on making sure the transport works in Brisbane rather than spreading ourselves to thin.

I agree, to a certain extent.

However, I would posit that the efficiency and economic prosperity of the State will to a large extent depend on how the inner city functions as a professional and business services hub. The businesses that are based here will be drawing staff from the region including the north and south coasts. This is why Cross River Rail is so important, it enables faster more direct access to Brisbane CBD from these areas. That is not saying that we shouldn't be investing in transit in the inner city or closer urban regions, and it is certainly not saying the Sunshine Coast line is the most important. It is also why its important we get long distance fares right, and yes that means paying more.

As much as self containment from an economic perspective is good in some ways, it is not what is going to drive Brisbane's success on the global stage where we'll be competing.

[Fares_Fair]

I have said it many, many times and no one can refute it.
The purpose of heavy rail is for long-distance passenger and freight movements.
It is the most efficient way to do so.

The fact remains that the Sunshine Coast does not have enough employment for it's populace, obviously neither does the Gold Coast or else they wouldn't be clogging up your city too.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[somebody]

I have said it many, many times and no one can refute it.
The purpose of heavy rail is for long-distance passenger and freight movements.
It is the most efficient way to do so.

The fact remains that the Sunshine Coast does not have enough employment for it's populace, obviously neither does the Gold Coast or else they wouldn't be clogging up your city too.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

The sole purpose?  I don't agree with that.  There is a lot of usefulness in <10km commutes on rail.

[dwb]

I have said it many, many times and no one can refute it.
The purpose of heavy rail is for long-distance passenger and freight movements.
It is the most efficient way to do so.

The fact remains that the Sunshine Coast does not have enough employment for it's populace, obviously neither does the Gold Coast or else they wouldn't be clogging up your city too.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

The sole purpose?  I don't agree with that.  There is a lot of usefulness in <10km commutes on rail.

Ditto to Simon. Interurban rail is ONE task, not the only, and not the most important, and certainly not one that should be done for free. Few here argue that it shouldn't exist, but many rightfully argue that we shouldn't overly promote people to travel longer distances than they should.

[HappyTrainGuy]

What about the NGR consultancy tender. You dont really expect them to order more trains until they know what they want and who can build them??

The proposals between United, Mitsubshi and Bombardier close this/next month with the winner for the NGR contract announced sometime next year iirc.

[dwb]

What about the NGR consultancy tender. You dont really expect them to order more trains until they know what they want and who can build them??

The proposals between United, Mitsubshi and Bombardier close this/next month with the winner for the NGR contract announced sometime next year iirc.

Thanks HappyTrainGuy, you wouldn't happen to have a copy of the tender document that you could PM me would you?

[O_128]

What about the NGR consultancy tender. You dont really expect them to order more trains until they know what they want and who can build them??

The proposals between United, Mitsubshi and Bombardier close this/next month with the winner for the NGR contract announced sometime next year iirc.

Thanks HappyTrainGuy, you wouldn't happen to have a copy of the tender document that you could PM me would you?

I would like to have a look at that as well.

Also on the topic of rail being solely for long distance, in todays world of highly dense cities rail is the only option to carry thousands of people efficiently, Heck I would almost rather the the trouts road line built before the SC upgrades. The reasons being.

1. The trouts road line will provide a huge proportion of Brisbane to rail and this is an area that is already becoming denser.
2. Once the Nambour duplication is complete and a 15 min service can be run not to mention 15 min to moorchydore  and possibly even more trains just wont fit having to compete against the shorncliffe, caboolture, Kippa ring, airport and northshore lines is a recipe for disaster.
3. Trouts road will open a kind of relief line so if there are delays trains can go via trouts road.

[HappyTrainGuy]

happen to have a copy of the tender document

Can't say that I do.

[Arnz]

1. The trouts road line will provide a huge proportion of Brisbane to rail and this is an area that is already becoming denser.
2. Once the Nambour duplication is complete and a 15 min service can be run not to mention 15 min to moorchydore  and possibly even more trains just wont fit having to compete against the shorncliffe, caboolture, Kippa ring, airport and northshore lines is a recipe for disaster.
3. Trouts road will open a kind of relief line so if there are delays trains can go via trouts road.

1. Trouts Line also serves as pre-requisite for faster Caboolture and CAMCOS (into Sunshine Coast proper) trains, as well as being a outer-suburban line.  More of a Long-Term thing (15-20 years)
2. Gympie/Nambour trains will most likely terminate at Beerwah if CAMCOS is built, feeding into the trains ex-Caloundra/Maroochydore.  Thus CAMCOS paths most likely replaces Gympie/Nambour in regards to City paths.
3. If I recall Trouts Road was also being touted as a "outer-suburban" (Albany Creek, Brendale, etc) as well as interurban line.  You're right on Trouts being the "northern" Tennyson relief line.

[dwb]

Let's hope the govt doesn't change before the ConnectingSEQ document is published, otherwise Trouts Rd will disappear, never to be heard of again.

[Stillwater]

The Trouts Road corridor is central to the state government's plans for special tilt trains equipped with toilets running between Brisbane and the two coasts in about an hour .... in 2031.  Here's what Anna Bligh has put on the public record: http://www.cabinet.qld.gov.au/mms/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=71317

[mufreight]

I'm pretty wrapped in the response to this poll.  23 voters in less than 24 hours, and off peak service being the no 1 thing people want, clearly.  That's more voters than responded to the "Next most pressing buzification" poll.

Is this the most voted poll in RailBoT history?

Sorry Simon but I, and I would think many others would also agree, fail to comprehend why you are so chuffed with 23 persons voting in your straw poll over 24 hours.  
Over that period of time well over 5000 people would have visited the site and with in excess of 500 members in RBoT only 23 have considered this straw poll sufficently significant to vote.  No doubt the relevance of the alternatives presented in the poll is reflected in this response.

[Gazza]

The fact remains that the Sunshine Coast does not have enough employment for it's populace, obviously neither does the Gold Coast or else they wouldn't be clogging up your city too.

Why would anybody live somewhere with not enough jobs?
Lol Jk, people still choose to stay in Tasmania.

At a mimimum there is a 4 to 5 year lead time, the present order is nearly complete (1 more SMU, 6 IMU  I think) and that's it.

Cant they just tack on to the end of the current delivery as a stop gap measure?

whereas the Shorncliffe, Doomben and Airport lines are not expected to increase greatly

That's because it's being left at hourly frequency, so Doomben is never going to get popular. An hourly train might as well not exist in the minds of those residents.

The purpose of heavy rail is for long-distance passenger and freight movements.

In London, in the late 1800s, they figured heavy rail was good for inner city movement too! Guess what they built?

Over that period of time well over 5000 people would have visited the site and with in excess of 500 members in RBoT only 23 have considered this straw poll sufficently significant to vote.

How many of those 5000 hits today were you? 

500 members, but how many actively post, help with press releases etc?