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Last PASS ex Tennyson (for a while ... ) 3rd June

Started by ozbob, May 30, 2011, 13:23:28 PM

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Quote from: Golliwog on June 03, 2011, 19:55:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, why can't via Tennyson trains just turn around at Corinda using the 5th platform? Then return back across to the Beenleigh line.
They can.

The issue is that these trains consume a Merivale bridge path which would be more profitably used by another train.

colinw

That is one reason why I think Corinda via South Brisbane may be a possibility after CRR.  There will be a heap of capacity via South Brisbane & Merivale freed up, the surface stations won't be doing much, and you can turn back at Corinda without affecting capacity of the Ipswich & Springfield lines.

BrizCommuter

Quote from: Golliwog on June 03, 2011, 19:55:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, why can't via Tennyson trains just turn around at Corinda using the 5th platform? Then return back across to the Beenleigh line.

Also, where will the (from Monday) Yerongpilly terminating/starting trains actually reverse? Corinda?

mufreight

Quote from: Golliwog on June 03, 2011, 19:55:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, why can't via Tennyson trains just turn around at Corinda using the 5th platform? Then return back across to the Beenleigh line.

That is exactly what they have been doing for the last 30 odd years.

ozbob

Go card travel history for my last touch on at Tennyson rail  for a while ..

Quote03-Jun-11 04:47:02 PM    Touch off    Goodna        
03-Jun-11 03:41:04 PM    Touch on    Tennyson        
03-Jun-11 02:35:47 PM    Touch off    DEXTER / KING ARTHUR [BT013054]
03-Jun-11 02:27:50 PM    Touch on    Browne Street - 58 [BT005355-3]        

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#45
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com/2011/06/tennyson-line-extinction.html
A 48 minute longer journey for some Yeronga High school children!

Huggies

#46
Some footage I took of the last morning services. I wanted to come back in the afternoon but I had to work.  :-[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWB4PFCrSDU
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ozbob

Nice work Huggies, thanks for sharing the clips.
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This is the information that has been distributed with respect to the route 104 and cessation of passenger rail services to and viaTennyson.

Large flyer



Small flyer



Reverse side small flyer

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Quote from: colinw on June 03, 2011, 20:13:24 PM
That is one reason why I think Corinda via South Brisbane may be a possibility after CRR.  There will be a heap of capacity via South Brisbane & Merivale freed up, the surface stations won't be doing much, and you can turn back at Corinda without affecting capacity of the Ipswich & Springfield lines.
I think it would be stupid to do something different.  The notion that the Kuraby trains would go via South Brisbane is quite stupid.

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QuoteI think it would be stupid to do something different.  The notion that the Kuraby trains would go via South Brisbane is quite stupid.

I agree. But you never know what rubbish may be concocted...
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Golliwog

Quote from: Simon on June 05, 2011, 07:18:54 AM
I think it would be stupid to do something different.  The notion that the Kuraby trains would go via South Brisbane is quite stupid.

Then what would serve Yerongpilly-South Brisbane? Isn't the plan for GC and Beenleigh trains to use the tunnel?
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somebody

Quote from: Golliwog on June 05, 2011, 08:07:43 AM
Quote from: Simon on June 05, 2011, 07:18:54 AM
I think it would be stupid to do something different.  The notion that the Kuraby trains would go via South Brisbane is quite stupid.

Then what would serve Yerongpilly-South Brisbane? Isn't the plan for GC and Beenleigh trains to use the tunnel?
Corinda via Tennyson trains.

BrizCommuter

BrizCommuter will be interested to know where these Yeerongpilly terminators are going to reverse. Can anyone with time on their hands go and investigate next week?

ozbob

Quote from: BrizCommuter on June 05, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
BrizCommuter will be interested to know where these Yeerongpilly terminators are going to reverse. Can anyone with time on their hands go and investigate next week?

Will try, but they will just reverse from the platform is my guess.

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.523493,153.014338&z=20&t=h&nmd=20110507
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Quote from: ozbob on June 05, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: BrizCommuter on June 05, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
BrizCommuter will be interested to know where these Yeerongpilly terminators are going to reverse. Can anyone with time on their hands go and investigate next week?

Will try, but they will just reverse from the platform is my guess.

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.523493,153.014338&z=20&t=h&nmd=20110507
Actually, that seems perfectly achievable for the outbound, so long as the reverse movement into the DG is signalled, which I'm not sure that it is.

It's not achievable for the inbound trains though.

petey3801

Quote from: Simon on June 05, 2011, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: ozbob on June 05, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: BrizCommuter on June 05, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
BrizCommuter will be interested to know where these Yeerongpilly terminators are going to reverse. Can anyone with time on their hands go and investigate next week?

Will try, but they will just reverse from the platform is my guess.

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.523493,153.014338&z=20&t=h&nmd=20110507
Actually, that seems perfectly achievable for the outbound, so long as the reverse movement into the DG is signalled, which I'm not sure that it is.


Yeah, it's possible to run from Yeerongpilly Up platform to the Dual Gauge heading inbound.
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BrizCommuter

Quote from: ozbob on June 05, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: BrizCommuter on June 05, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
BrizCommuter will be interested to know where these Yeerongpilly terminators are going to reverse. Can anyone with time on their hands go and investigate next week?

Will try, but they will just reverse from the platform is my guess.

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.523493,153.014338&z=20&t=h&nmd=20110507

If that is the case then going by the timetable trains will either need to dwell at Yeerongpilly for up to approx. half an hour, or 3-4 minutes (thus reducing train requirements, but also reducing delay mitigation). For example the 3:56 arr may now form the 04:00 dep, previously they would have been different trains. This means the 03:27 will have to return empty (was previously the 04:00).

Times from new timetable at Yeerongpilly

am arr (ex-to Corinda): 07:09=, 7:57*, 8:29+
am dep: (ex-from Corinda) 08:14, 08:32*

pm arr (ex-to Corinda): 03:27*, 03:56^
pm dep (ex-from Corinda): 04:00*

* services used to be same train
= service used to return via Moorooka at 07:35 and then went out of service - ?what will it do now
+ used to continue to Sherwood and back to City - ?what will it do now
^ used to return to City via Yeerongpilly out of service

somebody

Pretty sure you can't reverse at Yeerongpilly and then return on the down track.  You can proceed up the first part of the Tennyson branch and then proceed and serve the stations.  I doubt that there will be any thought to having these trains in the AM proceed to Kuraby (for example) to reduce dead running or do anything better than just twiddling of the thumbs for longer.  So there.

ozbob

Quote from: Simon on June 05, 2011, 13:12:28 PM
Pretty sure you can't reverse at Yeerongpilly and then return on the down track.  You can proceed up the first part of the Tennyson branch and then proceed and serve the stations. 

There is another cross over past Cardross St.  The rail motor shuttles etc. used to use that for reversing etc. and getting out of the way ..
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Oh Ok.  Let's see if they are going to use it.

BrizCommuter

BrizCommuter's bet is that in an act of utter stupidity, the Yerongpilly terminators will reverse at Corinda.

somebody

Quote from: BrizCommuter on June 05, 2011, 13:38:53 PM
BrizCommuter's bet is that in an act of utter stupidity, the Yerongpilly terminators will reverse at Corinda.
I would also like to bet on the sun rising in the morning.

somebody

On Friday, IIRC there was a loaded coalie stopped approaching Corinda from Oxley. How come it had to stop?  I can't remember if the pax train from via Tennyson went to platform #1 or #2.  Either way, I'm not sure that it could easily return via Indooroopilly.  If the pax train had gone to #1, the loaded train could have run straight through which would allow the empty to not have to stop also.  Or maybe I am missing something?

ozbob

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The last PASS used platform 2.  It took off  back towards Tennyson as soon as the crew changed ends (It can go down the subs from there as well).  The DOWN coalie was actually on the DOWN sub on approach to Corinda  (which the last PASS occupied).  The empty came through platform one road, and once the DOWN coalie cleared went out and crossed to the main up.  The comment I made at the time was why wasn't the UP sub used, as the UP coalie could have gone straight through without propping at Corinda ...  or the DOWN coalie could have been put on the UP sub from Darra West and it would have missed the whole damn shebang! And if the cross had to occur at Corinda the UP coalie could have been held in the loop for the freight line at Corinda, the DOWN coalie on the UP sub just cruises past clear of the suburban traffic.  I don't think the loop gets used very often, rails appear rusty.

I am rather amazed that lately 2 out 3 coalies I see lately are not on the UP sub   ( the ' freight ' line ).

Hope everyone understands this, 'cause I don't .. LOL

And I was glad you made it on Friday Simon, it was a good opportunity to see coal trains running in the peak ...

The two coal trains when they crossed at Corinda

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Ok, so even if the drivers aren't qualified for the UP SUB (freight line), nothing would have prevented the spark coming in to platform 1 and not interrupting the down (loaded) coalie's progress.

Maybe I am missing something, but I don't follow how the pax train can get from Corinda #2 to Indooroopilly #2 without running past Corinda?  It can run in the other direction though - Indoroopilly #1 - Corinda #2 - Tennyson quite easily.

ozbob

The trains can run out onto the Tennyson line, then reverse into Sherwood.

Have actually done that on a regular suburban once on a train I caught at Oxley. There were some points issues so they ran the train out on the Tennyson line, changed ends, and ran back into Sherwood and we carried on.  It was funny, I started off at Oxley in the first car, and arrived at Roma St in the last car. 
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Actually, now that I think about it there may be a reason for the loaded coalie being ahead of the pax train. If the coalie was to sit in the Tennyson loop for the duration of the peak, then that would block the pax train from going back that way, unless it could wrong road along the Tennyson loop.

ozbob

Media release 3 July 2011

SEQ: 104 not effectively replacing Tennyson trains, time to value add

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers calls for a review of the effectiveness of replacing the Tennyson trains with 104 bus services.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"Anecdotal evidence suggests that the 40 daily 104 bus services are carrying less than 10% of the passengers which the via Tennyson trains carried previously, and these trains only ran 4 times daily in the peak direction and had 5 other services.  RAIL Back On Track members suggest that the main reason for this is the failure to extend the 104 to serve Mater Hill, South Bank and the Cultural Centre.  Serving the CBD would also mean a rough doubling the frequency for Fairfield Rd/Park Rd, Yeronga."

"We applaud TransLink's concept of the 104, 105, 107 and 108 services all serving the Boggo Rd and PA Hospital Busway stations.  This also improves the idea of connecting all of the via Tennyson bus services with Graceville Railway Station and Indooroopilly interchange.  That would allow a single route for via Tennyson similar to what has been previously proposed (1,2) which would be combined with a Yeronga West route."

"Increasing the direct service for Fairfield Gardens would be a real benefit for negligible additional costs.  There could be a service meeting every train from Ipswich at Graceville by consolidating the 105's Tennyson service onto this single proposed route (3)."

"RAIL Back On Track members and the community generally would also like to see the PM via Tennyson trains return, which could remain even after the phase two timetable reviews as these trains ran before the evening peak services and so there were no capacity issues over the Merivale Bridge with them.  These trains were used by a large number of school children as well as others."

References:

1. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=5808.0

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=5681.0

3. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CYpLck7HGNo/Tg68KJTzkTI/AAAAAAAAAFs/b_C7BQREbGU/s800/new_104.JPG

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
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I remember it being far more heavily loaded than what you can see in that video.

ozbob

Quote from: Simon on August 08, 2011, 07:40:51 AM
I remember it being far more heavily loaded than what you can see in that video.

Yes most of pax were in the other carriages.
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Don't you love how we are now referred to as customers  ;D
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It's just the first step.  Now we just need Translink and QR to learn the all-important axiom of good business -- the customer is always right.

ozbob

#74
Sources suggest platforms at Tennyson are to be removed.  One platform has gone, other this coming weekend?

Anyone able to confirm?  I will try to get down there on Sunday.
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Quote from: ozbob on September 22, 2011, 14:52:30 PM
Sources suggest platforms at Tennyson are to be removed.  One platform has gone, other this coming weekend?

Anyone able to confirm?  I will try to get down there on Sunday.
Why?  What problem did having unused platforms there cause?

ozbob

Obviously the 'authorities' want to make it a permanent closure?

Pathetic ....
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If the line was not used for freight, would the tracks also be removed?

ozbob

Quote from: Cam on September 22, 2011, 15:20:04 PM
If the line was not used for freight, would the tracks also be removed?

No, the line is an important connection between the southern and western lines, and proves its utility time and time again for PASS when there are disruptions between Sherwood/CBD  Yeerongpilly/CBD.

Only fools would remove it.
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