Dubai metro

[O_128]

Its interesting that one of the countries as dependant on cars as we are has jsut completed there metro. If the queensland government is serious about the cross river link then they should be looking at this, the tokyo subway and the tube.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ep09_dubai-metro-city_business

[#Metro]

Automated, driverless trains with anti-suicide platforms.
Something to aspire to.

Right now, we need more trains more often. Every 15 minutes off peak, for all major lines.
Do that and the rest will fall into place.

[Derwan]

Wow!  1.5-minute peak frequency.  3-minute off-peak frequency.

Key word.... integration.

Brisbane's keyword.... segregation.

[#Metro]

Brisbane's keyword: track fault

[stephenk]

Wow!  1.5-minute peak frequency.  3-minute off-peak frequency.

Not quite. The peak frequency is 3.75mins, and off-peak 7mins. It can theoretically run trains every 90secs, but reality is always somewhat different.

[O_128]

Wow!  1.5-minute peak frequency.  3-minute off-peak frequency.

Not quite. The peak frequency is 3.75mins, and off-peak 7mins. It can theoretically run trains every 90secs, but reality is always somewhat different.

yes still 3.75 is pretty good and the stations are absolutely amazing

[#Metro]

The special sections for business and women are just great. (ha ha, now the politicians can go in the VIP section away from their angry, marauding constituents!).

IMHO though, this is very "gold plated" or solution. UAE is a very privileged country indeed. I just wish QR would simply buy and run more trains. Nothing fancy- just service!

I would be happy even if they brought on the noisy clunky diesel trains to haul carriages if that would add more services to the lines.

Why do we still have 30 min off peak frequency!? Why?

[Derwan]

Wow!  1.5-minute peak frequency.  3-minute off-peak frequency.

Not quite. The peak frequency is 3.75mins, and off-peak 7mins. It can theoretically run trains every 90secs, but reality is always somewhat different.

Ah - I was going by what the video said.  Still - it's pretty good!

[O_128]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Dubai_map_Dubai_Metro.svg

heres a map as of now only the black stations on the red line are open and the rest of the stations along with the green line open in early 2010. the blue and purple lines open in 2012. its amazing it took only 3 years to build the red line and 4 to build the green line while its taken 3 years to build 4.1km of track to the varsity. the average amount of track built a day was 266m on the red line.

[Derwan]

Add to that the lines are either underground or elevated!

I think Dubai has access to a lot more cash though.

I heard somewhere (on a TV show I think) that the rich Government there has realised that the oil won't last forever - and are seeking an alternative source of income (i.e. tourism).  That's why we're seeing the lavish hotels and state-of-the art systems like this.

[pangwen]

There's a few factors going into Dubai's Metro construction that we don't have in QLD:

1. Lots of money
2. Really cheap labour (unfortunately/fortunately Australian law stops a lot of this happening here)
3. A government with the guts to force medium term road closures/diversions (although that's starting to happen now with Hale Street Link)
4. 24/7 construction next to residential areas (I believe this occurs here to some extent, although people in the most affected areas get their land resumed, or the residents moved to hotels temporarily)
5. Tolls for vehicles driving to/around town funnelling users towards public transport

Sources:

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090909/NATIONAL/709089826/1001&profile=1001
http://blog.jarofjuice.com/2009/09/dubai-metro-hits-1-spot-on-twitter/
http://www.salik.ae/Default.aspx

[#Metro]

I think the problem with SE QLD is the idea that we can have it all: A country town, big houses, cars and blocks with London style metro stations every 500m. No high rises or anything over 2 story, Free transport, subsidised petrol, toll free tunnels and no congestion.

It is not going to happen.

More people want to come to Brisbane and SEQ generally. This is the reason why we are having a construction and infrastructure boom right now. Because it will serve future demand and future generations. And yet, I see NIMBY groups who demand more service for them but want to lock out others from the opportunity they themselves have taken advantage of.

You cannot ban change. That does not mean that we go down the path of the Gold Coast, but indeed the very existence of the Gold Coast has spared Brisbane a similar fate. We need higher average density to support PT, and smaller living places.

Just compare the three streetscapes of three cities: West End (Brisbane), Barcelona (Spain) and Paris (France). The last two are very dense, both have metro systems and don't look like the worst imaginings of those who are against compact development.

West End

Barcelona

Paris

[O_128]

I think the problem with SE QLD is the idea that we can have it all: A country town, big houses, cars and blocks with London style metro stations every 500m. No high rises or anything over 2 story, Free transport, subsidised petrol, toll free tunnels and no congestion.

It is not going to happen.

More people want to come to Brisbane and SEQ generally. This is the reason why we are having a construction and infrastructure boom right now. Because it will serve future demand and future generations. And yet, I see NIMBY groups who demand more service for them but want to lock out others from the opportunity they themselves have taken advantage of.

You cannot ban change. That does not mean that we go down the path of the Gold Coast, but indeed the very existence of the Gold Coast has spared Brisbane a similar fate. We need higher average density to support PT, and smaller living places.

Just compare the three streetscapes of three cities: West End (Brisbane), Barcelona (Spain) and Paris (France). The last two are very dense, both have metro systems and don't look like the worst imaginings of those who are against compact development.

West End

Barcelona

Paris

definently i must add that  NIMBY groups such as WECA ( the west end one) are speeking for the minority of about 20 people most people want the development

[#Metro]

The developments proposed are mostly on industrial land where nobody lives, and there are noisy factories anyway- so go figure...

Even the current ones that are built near Orleigh Pk aren't exactly towering monstrosities.

[O_128]

The developments proposed are mostly on industrial land where nobody lives, and there are noisy factories anyway- so go figure...

Even the current ones that are built near Orleigh Pk aren't exactly towering monstrosities.

i cant wait until the pauls factory is torn down and the others all that wasted waterfrontage.

also traimtrain as if a metro isnt bad enough over there, they are also building 398km of light rail to feed into the stations like feeder buses

[ozbob]

From Arabian Business com click here!

95% of Metro trains running on time - RTA

95% of Metro trains running on time - RTA
by Andy Sambidge

Dubai Metro train service availability has been 98 percent and more than 95 percent of trains have run on time since the launch of the rail system in September, a senior official has announced.

Ramadan Abdullah, director of operations at the Rail Agency of the Dubai Roads and Transport Authority (RTA), also said more staff have been employed to crack down on passenger violations.

In an interview with UAE daily Gulf News, Abdullah added that more than 2.5 million people had so far used the metro station, averaging about 57,000 passengers per day.

[#Metro]

Well they are driver less and fully automatic aren't they?

[ozbob]

Indeed, one might be forgiven thinking it would be higher  BUT the human factor comes into play.  Some folks have been pushing emergency stop buttons ...

[#Metro]

Look at their track- looks like it has no sleepers!

[O_128]

Look at their track- looks like it has no sleepers!

yep here in queensland we still build our railways like its 1899.

[mufreight]

The track seems to be laid on a continuious slab which requires less maintence but is less resilient than slepered track but very expensive to construct.
Usually this form of track construction is used on elevated structures or in tunnels.

[cartoonbirdhaus]

Key word.... integration. Brisbane's keyword.... segregation.

In one sense, segregation's a liability, when it means you can't interchange between different modes properly. On the other hand, a metro should be segregated from commuter, long-distance and freight trains.

[O_128]

Key word.... integration. Brisbane's keyword.... segregation.

In one sense, segregation's a liability, when it means you can't interchange between different modes properly. On the other hand, a metro should be segregated from commuter, long-distance and freight trains.

but it still needs key interchanges.

Eg the cross river rail will fail if there is no interchange at central or roma street expecially if this to be used by airport services. Are travellers expected to lug there suitcases through the city?

[mufreight]

By routing the line via Dutton Park/Park Road - Wooloongabba - Gardens Point - Central - Exhibition/Bowen Bridge Road there are interchanges built into the line.
A rail to rail and bus interchange at Park Road, this wouls serve University of Queensland and the bus routes through the existing Boggo Road interchange.
Rail to bus at Wooloongabba which would serve the Cricket ground and all the bus routes working through the Wooloongabba Bus station including to Mater Hopspital.
Gardens Point would service the QIT / Parliamentary precinct and possibly a rail bus interchange to the city loop bus service.
Central would provide a rail to rail interchange.
A station at Bowen Bridge Road would provide access to the RBH, the Herston medical precinct and the Exhibition a bus/rail interchange there would provide interchange with all northside bus routes using the Inner Northern Busway.
Surely this option would provide sufficent points of interchange between the three mode of transport, rail, bus and foot and serve the maximum number of commuter destinations on route.