Express peak pattern on the Ipswich line

[HappyTrainGuy]

Bugger em. Just run them express Corinda-Roma Street as more work in the city 

[#Metro]

I agree. Everyone wants express from their station- except when you have a train packed full of 1000 passengers all opting for express to their station, the sum total of feedback is going to spit out "stop all stations".

You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't.

[justanotheruser]

I agree. Everyone wants express from their station- except when you have a train packed full of 1000 passengers all opting for express to their station, the sum total of feedback is going to spit out "stop all stations".

You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't.

I agree but don't understand why there has to be only one express pattern. What is wrong with two patterns. makes no difference in terms of trains sitting waiting for another.

[BrizCommuter]

I agree. Everyone wants express from their station- except when you have a train packed full of 1000 passengers all opting for express to their station, the sum total of feedback is going to spit out "stop all stations".

You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't.

I agree but don't understand why there has to be only one express pattern. What is wrong with two patterns. makes no difference in terms of trains sitting waiting for another.

Train timetable should be kept simple. Adding multiple express patterns results in a confusing mess, which the new timetables have just gotten rid of!

[somebody]

I'm with justanotheruser for once.  You don't need 12 express patterns, but you could have two.

[#Metro]

I'm with Brizcommuter. Two-tier.
One express interurban service that operates all day
One all stops service that does urban all day

reliability and predictability and simplicity are valuable things in a PT system.

[mufreight]

Contact has been made with the person who wrote the letter to the QT, the point was raised that the nearest stop to the Indoorpilly station is inconvenient in its location and has no shelter and the other point raised which is equaly valid is the mumbers of workers (not uni students) who use Toowong and the numbers who make use of the shopping facilities there either to or from work/Uni and the more convenient user friendly facilities for commuters at Toowong

You have to put your foot down somewhere.

The obvious point that appears to be overlooked here is that these people are commuters who use the service through that station by choice because it is convenient to them and you seemingly wish to dictate to them with the removal of the services that they have historicaly had while again the choice of where they do their shopping of have a coffee with friends is there choice.
It would seem that a number of those so entrenched in their opposition to Ipswich line services serving Toowong are people who do not useToowong.

[#Metro]

The obvious point that appears to be overlooked here is that these people are commuters

who use the service through that station by choice because it is convenient to them and you seemingly wish to dictate to them with the removal of the services that they have historicaly had while again the choice of where they do their shopping of have a coffee with friends is there choice.

I suspect strongly that TransLink has a good reason why Toowong is not included.

It would seem that a number of those so entrenched in their opposition to Ipswich line services serving Toowong are people who do not use Toowong.

With over 140 stations all over SEQ I'm sure that claim could be levelled at anyone, and therefore is meaningless.
Oh and I have used Toowong many times...

[petey3801]

I've used Toowong numerous times.

I still don't get the whole 'Bus stop at Indooroopilly is inconvenient' BS. It's a shorter walk from Indro station to the bus stop (for UQ) than it is to walk from Toowong station to the bus stop for the 412!! No shealter? Didums... Bus will be there soon anyway, and if it's raining? BUY AN UMBRELLA!

If you want to go to Toowong, CHANGE TRAINS! If you change at Indooroopilly, you will lose a total of 1 MINUTE travelling time compared to an all-stations Ipswich to the City service. The way some people are carrying on around here, one would think there are NO trains servicing Toowong in peak!

[somebody]

I've used Toowong numerous times.

I still don't get the whole 'Bus stop at Indooroopilly is inconvenient' BS. It's a shorter walk from Indro station to the bus stop (for UQ) than it is to walk from Toowong station to the bus stop for the 412!! No shealter? Didums... Bus will be there soon anyway, and if it's raining? BUY AN UMBRELLA!

If you want to go to Toowong, CHANGE TRAINS! If you change at Indooroopilly, you will lose a total of 1 MINUTE travelling time compared to an all-stations Ipswich to the City service. The way some people are carrying on around here, one would think there are NO trains servicing Toowong in peak!

Hear here!

[#Metro]

I've used Toowong numerous times.

I still don't get the whole 'Bus stop at Indooroopilly is inconvenient' BS. It's a shorter walk from Indro station to the bus stop (for UQ) than it is to walk from Toowong station to the bus stop for the 412!! No shealter? Didums... Bus will be there soon anyway, and if it's raining? BUY AN UMBRELLA!

If you want to go to Toowong, CHANGE TRAINS! If you change at Indooroopilly, you will lose a total of 1 MINUTE travelling time compared to an all-stations Ipswich to the City service. The way some people are carrying on around here, one would think there are NO trains servicing Toowong in peak!

Here here!!

Time to cut the crap, put your foot down and say NO.

I'm happy to return to the issue once the timetable is settled in and we see how it goes. Loss aversion reactions...

[mufreight]

A basic fact of any service industry is that if you do not provide the service that the customer wants you lose their business.
Public transport is believe it or not a service industry.
Removing the avaliability of a pre existing service that was being used to force a change in the personal habits and or preferences has sent private operators broke, experience tells that over a third of those who used Ipswich line services from Darra and points west to access Toowong will cease to use PT within three weeks of the forced change.
There are frequent bleats about frequency, the key element being the convenience that increased frequency provides, remove the convenience and commuters will desert in droves.
The seeming approach by Translink is to deter commuters from using services so that they can then justify not providing a decent level of service then increasing fares on the justification of the revenue drop as a consequence of less bums on seats having detered commuters from using PT.
Forget the decisions by the inept dictators at Translink, the commuters will decide themselves if the services provided are adequate or convenient for their needs and give their decision either by using alternative transport or at the ballot box next year.
The backflip over the Ipswich bus services was only brought about by political fear overiding the stupidity and ineptness of both Translink and the then Minister.
Watch this page.

[somebody]

The Ipswich buses were largely reversed due to a change in the Minister, as far as I can see.

The latent demand for the Ipswich line is there, and the service isn't being provided to the majority as well as it could be.  There may be some that stop using the service due to not stopping at Toowong, but I'd expect that this would be countable on one hand.  More will use it due to it being faster.

[#Metro]

A basic fact of any service industry is that if you do not provide the service that the customer wants you lose their business.

I agree. But if you ask everyone what they want, they will tell you they want the service to take them on demand, from their front door, no interchange,  no overcrowding or anyone else on board, for zero fare, express and directly to their destination. If you do that, you will get the EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT- a horrible system that is utterly useless.

I would like to hear explicity from TransLink exactly what the rationale for skipping Toowong was. But you know what, everyone and their dog is going to come out and go "why isn't it stopping at MY station?!!?" and then so you have a choice- do you want express or do you want an all stops service? There's no two ways about this- speed is proportional to stop spacing distance. More stops = slower speed. If you want to stop at Toowong, then do you want to cut Milton in exchange?

Public transport is believe it or not a service industry.
Removing the avaliability of a pre existing service that was being used to force a change in the personal habits and or preferences has sent private operators broke, experience tells that over a third of those who used Ipswich line services from Darra and points west to access Toowong will cease to use PT within three weeks of the forced change.

Let's see how we go. I don't mind being wrong, but I want to see. The changes come in tomorrow!

More will use it due to it being faster.

Exactly.

[BrizCommuter]

Stop peak expresses at Toowong, then hospital workers will want it stop at Auchenflower, then office workers will want it to stop at Milton and Taringa, then school children will want it stop at Corinda, and so on...

The line has to be drawn somewhere. Both express and all station services have frequencies that users of the suburbans can only dream about. Maybe a few more "I want an express to my stationitis" jab needs to be given out?

[ozbob]

They are stopping at Milton (and Indooroopilly).  That's all folks ...

Mrs Ozbob has suggested that she likes the new express pattern, but will miss the 5.21 5.06pm ex Central 'Goodna Galloper'.  I said ' be strong .. ' ... LOL

[somebody]

Wasn't it a 'Redbank Galloper'? It didn't serve Goodna.

[ozbob]

I meant the 5.06, although we have had 'pick ups' from Redbank ...   

[petey3801]

Like I said elsewhere in regards to people leaving PT due to the express trains not stopping at Toowong, if they want to sit in peak hour traffic (because that's the only time the express trains are running) for however long just to avoid making a change of trains at Indooroopilly, go for it! I can guarantee they'll waste more time sitting in traffic!

[justanotheruser]

I'm with justanotheruser for once.  You don't need 12 express patterns, but you could have two.

uh-oh the worlds going to end!!!

Two express patterns is not confusing

I agree. But if you ask everyone what they want, they will tell you they want the service to take them on demand, from their front door, no interchange,  no overcrowding or anyone else on board, for zero fare, express and directly to their destination. If you do that, you will get the EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT- a horrible system that is utterly useless.

I would like to hear explicity from TransLink exactly what the rationale for skipping Toowong was. But you know what, everyone and their dog is going to come out and go "why isn't it stopping at MY station?!!?" and then so you have a choice- do you want express or do you want an all stops service? There's no two ways about this- speed is proportional to stop spacing distance. More stops = slower speed. If you want to stop at Toowong, then do you want to cut Milton in exchange?

but what is so difficult about having one service stop at toowong and the other at milton? trains go so slowly through tarings to toowong it won't make a difference and if you make it so the express with the 12 minute gap stops at toowong then certainly no train will be delayed because a earlier express is stopping at a different station. If people are confused by two express patterns then I guess people are pathetically dumb. Personally I like to give them more credit than that.

[justanotheruser]

Stop peak expresses at Toowong, then hospital workers will want it stop at Auchenflower, then office workers will want it to stop at Milton and Taringa, then school children will want it stop at Corinda, and so on...

The line has to be drawn somewhere. Both express and all station services have frequencies that users of the suburbans can only dream about. Maybe a few more "I want an express to my stationitis" jab needs to be given out?

well we can ignore schoold children wanting the train to stop at corinda after all we treat them like crap and provide least safe options for transport so why care about where they want the train to stop! here endeth the rant...feel free to ignore!

[#Metro]

Let's ask TransLink.



Personally I think there should be 1 express and that pattern should be applied to all Ipswich originating trains to become the 2nd tier.

[Cam]

Two express patterns is not confusing

What could make it less confusing is having one express pattern for services to & from Rosewood & another pattern for services to & from Ipswich.

On another topic, I haven't been able to access the Translink website for the last half hour. Perhaps it can;t cope with the number of commuters checking timetable changes on the Rosewood/Ipswich, Caboolture & Sunshine Coast Lines.

[Cam]

Still receiving "The server at www.translink.com.au is taking too long to respond." after 3 1/2 hours.

[ozbob]

Site seems fine at the moment, but I expect not many around just right now ... LOL

It might be necessary to clear your caches if you are still having issues Cam.