RBOT Hi Quality Bus Network Route Maps- Can YOU Help!?

[aldonius]

Progressing on the 120.

For context, I'm including the adjacent sections of the 111, 114, 123, 125, various Mains Rd routes (at least the 130 & 140), 175, 900, 905 & 909.

With the 114, you have it joining the busway at the Lewisham St underpass. I presume you really want it to go via Juliette & Cornwall, as the 120 does.

Similarly, I've routed the 125 via the Stanley St entrance (rather than tunnelling under the LCCH).

Finally, is there a reason for the two separate routings at Coopers Plains? Or rather, which way is the loop meant to go?

[aldonius]

Route 120 is now essentially done.

Please don't MR it just yet, inevitably there will be derpy things to fix.

Edit: removed image and attachment.

[#Metro]

Progressing on the 120.

For context, I'm including the adjacent sections of the 111, 114, 123, 125, various Mains Rd routes (at least the 130 & 140), 175, 900, 905 & 909.

With the 114, you have it joining the busway at the Lewisham St underpass. I presume you really want it to go via Juliette & Cornwall, as the 120 does.

Similarly, I've routed the 125 via the Stanley St entrance (rather than tunnelling under the LCCH).

Finally, is there a reason for the two separate routings at Coopers Plains? Or rather, which way is the loop meant to go?

Once again, thank you for the expertise and skill in producing these maps. The new minister will have their work cut out for them.

The 114 is via cornwall/juliette st but I only had 1 line to draw with and was unable to show the loop setup.

The 125 is using the Allan St bus portal, which is the same portal rocket services use to access the CBD.

 

[aldonius]

Oh, of course, Allen St is a much better locational descriptor.

Derpy things to add: a note saying that peak only services are not shown, maybe a more substantial key if space can be found.

[SurfRail]

Description of the 125 shows "Route 123".

[aldonius]

Route 120 is now completely done and ready to go.

[ozbob]

Thanks!   

[#Metro]

Around 2004 there was an access road IIRC and that became a grassed over area. It could be brought back. Loop would be one way.

[aldonius]

Now progressing on the 909.

I have some detailed feedback: either the 909 or 123 should stay on Beaudesert Rd between Mortimer & Boundary, rather than duplicating the 909 past the aerodrome. There's a local shopping centre (inc. Acacia Ridge Woolworths) with no service whatsoever.

I apologise for the lateness of this detailed feedback, but the mapmaking is the only way I can get enough motivation to use a sufficiently fine comb for areas on the far side of town.

[#Metro]

This is substantial change; so I think it will have to go to short review, and an update issued (along with the older version as that is already released) as minor changes may be necessary given that RBOT now has the public feedback from the survey.

I expect this process to take a few days for discussion.

[techblitz]

Now progressing on the 909.

I have some detailed feedback: either the 909 or 123 should stay on Beaudesert Rd between Mortimer & Boundary, rather than duplicating the 909 past the aerodrome. There's a local shopping centre (inc. Acacia Ridge Woolworths) with no service whatsoever.

I apologise for the lateness of this detailed feedback, but the mapmaking is the only way I can get enough motivation to use a sufficiently fine comb for areas on the far side of town.

never actually shopped at that woolies even though im probably within 2-3 km of it.....woolies/coles are big trip attractors......as of now most PT users from acacia ridge use the woolies at moorooka shops or inala plaza...

[aldonius]

Route 909 essentially done.

Again, please hold off, both for derpy errors and for a decision to be made on that Beaudesert Rd reroute.

Edit: image snipped.

[aldonius]

New and improved 909 routing!

edit: snipped. PDF remains, though.

[Golliwog]

Bug spotted: Note at bottom that reads "468 to Heathwood" should read "460 to Heathwood"

Only other comment at this stage is its a bit confusing working out which is which with the 910 and 460 between Richlands/Inala and Forest Lake.

[aldonius]

Thanks for that bug-catch. I've added in the 468 between Oxley & Darra.

[Golliwog]

Looks good. Just wondering about rail marking. You've only included "to Springfield Central" which I think is probably because the space around the others is a bit congested, and then it also becomes a bit more difficult it you wanted to try and distinguish which stations are/aren't served by the Ipswich/Gold Coast express services....

[aldonius]

Yeah, it's pretty much all down to crowding.

[cartoonbirdhaus]

Yeah, it's pretty much all down to crowding.

Maybe colour the station markers according to which lines stop at them, à la Washington DC's bus map? Red and yellow semicircles for Altandi, red circle for Coopers Plains etc.

[aldonius]

Think I went a little overboard on this one... Presenting: Route 902 (and pretty much everything connected to it).

I'm thinking for major interchanges (such as Mt Gravatt, Toombul & Carindale) it'd be worthwhile doing up a spider map of sorts.
LD, do you have stop bays figured out?

[#Metro]

Wonderful. Yes it is rather quite detailed, less is more.

I don't have stop bays worked out as I don't have expertise in that area.

[SurfRail]

Thanks for that bug-catch. I've added in the 468 between Oxley & Darra.

Not the best place for this obviously, but that 909 would make a nice connection to the Ipswich line at Wacol if pushed slightly further.

[Gazza]

Think I went a little overboard on this one... Presenting: Route 902 (and pretty much everything connected to it).

I'm thinking for major interchanges (such as Mt Gravatt, Toombul & Carindale) it'd be worthwhile doing up a spider map of sorts.
LD, do you have stop bays figured out?

In the vein of SRs post, I reckon the 905 should go to morningside instead of Carindale, so it serves as an orbital along Boundary Rd, and through seven hills.
Passengers for Carindale would have about 3 chances to change onto Hi routes along the way to reach Carindale.

[#Metro]

CityConnector 905 is an hourly service an hence will cause problems for connections.
In addition, Carindale has the strongest 'pull' in the area as it is the largest shopping centre with the greatest floor area in that space.
Morningside does not.

In keeping with this, the proposal distorts the grid in this case and sends 905 to Carindale.

"In economics, Reilly's law of retail gravitation is a heuristic developed by William J. Reilly in 1931 according to which customers may be willing to travel longer distances to larger retail centers as long as they are large enough."

Reilly's law of retail gravitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reilly%27s_law_of_retail_gravitation

[aldonius]

Next on my to-do list (near the bottom overall, though...) is the 900, or perhaps a Graceville/Tennyson/Yeronga area map. After that I suppose I should do something in the north/northeast, for geographic balance.

[#Metro]

Hi,

I think the northside can just be done as a map generally rather than focus on any specific route. There isn't much interesting in the northside by way of the bus network, other than the 359 and perhaps Bracken Rdg 330 (which is terminated at Chermside).

I was wondering about how one would represent KIPs say at Indooroopilly. But maybe someone can come and make suggestions, as it's just a thought bubble at the moment.

[aldonius]

Showing all the routes in a specific area/interchange is a solved problem; just throw them all on the page.

So KIPs, I think, should be a fairly-zoomed-in area map (km ~= half a page), showing everything, ideally showing specific stop allocations within the interchange. Then arrows along outgoing corridors to all the various points. Probably break out detailed route descriptions and that interchange layout map to a second page.

Maybe Chermside would be a good first one for that.

Anyone who isn't LD, want to have a think about (and then prescribe) specific stop allocations for Chermside?

[SurfRail]

My suggestion would be to make more use of on-road bus stops for through services.  The interchange is too cramped and should be limited mainly to terminating services, plus it takes too long to get in and out.

Frankly, it might be worthwhile taking the express routes out of there altogether (including the GCL) except for the 333 or whatever is replacing it.

Put the Hornibrook 680 inside the interchange so it doesn't lay up on Hamilton Road, which would allow more space for outbound bus services to pull up.

[James]

The TransLink bus network review intended to put only East-West buses in the interchange, with North-South services staying out on Gympie Road.

By and large, I think this is a good plan. Put all terminating services/east-west services in the bus station. Probably the most important thing though is to ensure the 333 and 340 (express to RBWH) both stop at the same stops at Chermside, to properly manage capacity.

[Jonno]

Route 120 is now completely done and ready to go.

Personally think we need to avoid routes with dig legs.  Keep them to the Mai roads, straight and allow interchange to handle connection. An east west route should connect to the north south here.

[aldonius]

Thanks guys.

Route 120 schematic

Personally think we need to avoid routes with dig legs.  Keep them to the Mai roads, straight and allow interchange to handle connection. An east west route should connect to the north south here.

Routing commentary to that thread, please. Arguably, this little interchange stop location discussion should go there too.

[aldonius]

I have updated the 911 map to be more consistent with the map style as it has evolved.

[ozbob]

Thanks Aldonius!  Updated at http://backontrack.org/images/bus/reform/route911.png