RAIL - Back On Track Forum

Feedback is sought for the Draft Queensland Transport Strategy

Oh yeah .... the first words of Chapter 1 will be something along the lines of: Once upon a time ... and it will end with 'And all Queenslanders lived happily ever after.'  A 30-year vision requires concrete goals after year 3, year 6, year 9, or else the vision is scheduled to be realised in Year 27 -- at which point there is a new strategy devised.

You have to laugh, one of the video segments shows a low level platform and a pram being helped down ...

Failure is ingrained with this mob ..   

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1117095172829900800

Draft Queensland Transport Strategy

https://publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/draft-queensland-transport-strategy/resource/6355bb5d-0062-4428-a7c7-54ebb76635d0

Download > https://publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/c80b0363-60eb-4042-a731-c5be6c676184/resource/6355bb5d-0062-4428-a7c7-54ebb76635d0/download/draft-queensland-transport-strategy.pdf  4.1 MB

Quote from: Stillwater on April 13, 2019, 20:59:48 PM
Oh yeah .... the first words of Chapter 1 will be something along the lines of: Once upon a time ... and it will end with 'And all Queenslanders lived happily ever after.'  A 30-year vision requires concrete goals after year 3, year 6, year 9, or else the vision is scheduled to be realised in Year 27 -- at which point there is a new strategy devised.

It is difficult to take any of this too seriously.  We have some good efforts in the past that always fizzle out. 

Go back in time > Nov 2011, https://brisbanedevelopment.com/connecting-seq-2031/

My favourite is the trams down the Brisbane River ... classic ...

It will probably need updating because of new technologies, re drones, driverless tech etc... Not necessarily the current Public Transport plan. But the Public Transport plan seems to be lagging. Be good to have that updated. Hopefully bring some projects forward. Gold Coast rail to OOL, Line extension Rosewood to Helidon, Sunshine Coast and Cleveland line duplication. ATP and upgrades to Driver Only Operations.

They do mention sustainable communities, but you can't funnel everyone onto freeways and arterial roads unnecessarily.

In the regions such as Toowoomba, Cairns and Sunshine Coast LRT would be ideal option in the future.

Passenger drones?  Driverless cars?  You know the technology for driverless trains has been around since the 1960s 
All nonsense. Meanwhile have a look at what is happening in NSW

Quote from: Old Northern Road on April 14, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Passenger drones?  Driverless cars?  You know the technology for driverless trains has been around since the 1960s 
All nonsense. Meanwhile have a look at what is happening in NSW

^^Vancouver Skyrail was the first commercial  Driverless Train to operate successfully to date. Yes Driverless tech is becoming more prominent. Don't you need a complete segregated corridor for Driverless tech in urban areas to meet health and safety standards?
Driver Only is achievable in Se Qld though.

South East Queensland's Rail Horizon outlines the strategic priorities for the region's rail network, which include optimising the existing network, upgrading services and infrastructure and delivering critical new infrastructure.

2016 > https://publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/be313b48-cc59-48c9-9967-d611c0febd1b/resource/7de43a6c-bad8-4697-ae5f-1cee148163e8/download/seqsrailhorizon.pdf  7 MB

Quote from: Old Northern Road on April 14, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Passenger drones?  Driverless cars?  You know the technology for driverless trains has been around since the 1960s 
All nonsense. Meanwhile have a look at what is happening in NSW

Quote from: verbatim9 on April 14, 2019, 10:56:54 AM

Quote from: Old Northern Road on April 14, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Passenger drones?  Driverless cars?  You know the technology for driverless trains has been around since the 1960s 
All nonsense. Meanwhile have a look at what is happening in NSW

^^Vancouver Skyrail was the first commercial  Driverless Train to operate successfully to date. Yes Driverless tech is becoming more prominent. Don't you need a complete segregated corridor for Driverless tech in urban areas to meet health and safety standards?
Driver Only is achievable in Se Qld though.

An interesting concept to consider prior to submitting a submission.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-flying-cars-climate-change-emissions-20190410-story.html

QuoteHow flying cars could help in the fight against climate change

By LEILA MILLER

APR 10, 2019 | 5:30 AM

 

The key for flying cars is to spend enough time in the air — and carry enough passengers — to justify the emissions produced during takeoff and landing, a University of Michigan study found. (Dave Brenner / University of Michigan School for Environment and Sustainability)

Have you ever been stuck in traffic and wished you could zoom above the gridlock in a flying car? A new study predicts these futuristic vehicles could be good for your commute and good for the environment — as long as they're used on long-distance trips with several carpool buddies.

The finding, published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications, could help guide the development of flying cars so they'll have more in common with a plug-in electric vehicle than a gas-guzzling SUV.

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"We did not imagine that flying cars would have any role in a sustainable mobility system," said study leader Akshat Kasliwal, a graduate student at the University of Michigan's Center for Sustainable Systems. "We were surprised to see that they do."

These flying cars — known officially as vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, or VTOLs (pronounced "v-tolls") — won't be getting off the ground regularly for a few more years, at least. But engineers already have a pretty good idea of how they would operate.

Generally speaking, they would begin their flights by rising straight into the air like a helicopter, then climb to at least 1,000 feet. Once they reach cruising altitude, they are capable of flying about 150 miles per hour. When it's time to land, the final descent would be vertical as well.

A VTOL could get in and out of tight spaces. The amount of real estate needed to park four school buses side by side would be more than enough.

But could a VTOL compete with traditional cars in terms of greenhouse gas emissions?

This is an important consideration, because scientists say the world needs to begin reducing its total emissions within the next decade to avoid the worst effects of climate change. By 2050 or so, they say, net carbon emissions will need to be nearly zero.

Cleaning up the transportation system will be a big part of that. Transportation is responsible for 28% of greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S, and 60% of those emissions come from light duty vehicles like passenger cars, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

To see whether flying cars have a role to play in a sustainable future, Kasliwal and his coauthors from the University of Michigan and Ford Motor Co. compared a hypothetical battery-powered flying car to two vehicles that travel on the ground: a regular car powered by an internal combustion engine, and a battery-powered electric car.

The researchers simulated a variety of scenarios.

First, they considered the emissions that each kind of car would produce if it carried a single passenger. The regular car releases greenhouse gases through its tailpipe. The electric car and the flying car wouldn't produce emissions directly, so the researchers considered the pollution associated with generating the electricity needed to power them.

For short trips up to 35 kilometers (about 22 miles), the regular car produced fewer emissions than the flying car. For longer trips, the flying car was cleaner to operate.

But in this analysis, the flying car could never match the low emissions of the electric car. In fact, it didn't even come close unless the trip was more than 120 km (about 75 miles).

A new generation of flying cars is taking to the air. But without the cars »

However, the researchers noted that people won't always be traveling solo. So they redid their calculations assuming that the regular car and the electric car had 1.54 passengers (which is the actual average in the U.S.) and that the flying car had 3 passengers (not including the pilot).

When they considered the greenhouse gas emissions per passenger for a trip lasting 100 km (about 60 miles), they found that the flying car was 52% cleaner than the regular car and 6% cleaner than the electric car.

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The key for the flying car is to spend enough time in the air — and carry enough passengers — to justify the emissions produced during takeoff and landing.

"You're able to essentially spread out the emissions more per person," said study coauthor Jim Gawron, a graduate student at Michigan's School for Environment and Sustainability and its Ross School of Business. Having multiple passengers also "allows you to take more vehicles off the road," he said.

These findings suggest that flying cars would be more sustainable if used as ride-share taxi services, the study authors said.

Passengers should be motivated to use flying cars because they can get them to their destinations faster, Kasliwal said. Not only do VTOLs have a much higher top speed, they can take more direct routes and thus log fewer total miles.

Flying cars could become even greener if they got more of their electricity from renewable sources. For instance, the study authors noted that emissions for VTOLs would be only half as high in a place like California, where more fossil fuels have been replaced with renewables than in other states.

Steven Davis, an Earth system scientist at UC Irvine who was not involved in the study, agreed that flying cars could become more appealing from an environmental perspective as electricity generation gets greener. In fact, he said, it "might make VTOLs look even better in comparison to ground transport."

But R. John Hansman, director of the MIT International Center for Air Transportation, said that while the researchers have identified an advantage for flying cars going longer distances, most people do not take taxi rides that are dozens of miles long.

"These [VTOLs] are not very efficient at the short range because of the inefficiency that the VTOLs have on take-off and landing," said Hansman, who was not involved in the study.

Couriermail --> Future looks bright, and hands-free on the roads

QuoteQUEENSLANDERS will zip around in driverless drones, shunning car ownership for a new network of transport options under the State Government's vision for the future.

The new 30-year Queensland draft Transport Strategy predicts highly-autonomous, eyes-off transport will roll out from 2020 to 2025 and vehicles will be hands-off, fully automated by 2026.

The document sets out a future in which people won't buy cars but rather rely on a network of autonomous, electric cars and high-frequency, driverless trains and buses linked by transport hubs.

A monthly travel subscription would allow the use of bike, scooter and car hire, public transport, taxis, autonomous ride share and air travel, and plan trips as needed.

Passenger drones will enable Queenslanders to get around, even in flood zones, and will deliver freight and residential parcels, taking trucks off the road.

Driverless cars and buses will reroute themselves based on live traffic information and car crashes will be a thing of the past as driver error and fatigue is removed.

Their use will save the state $10 billion a year in lost productivity by 2031 by addressing urban congestion.

Innovative tolling will see users pay only for the sections of the road they actually use.

And home solar systems will be used to charge electric cars as petrol vehicles die out and the state transitions to zero net emissions from transport.

"The extent of change in transport is unprecedented," the document reads.
"Perhaps even more significant is the unknown nature of many of these changes.

"It is difficult to predict which technological developments will transform our lives over the next 30 years."

Transport Minister Mark Bailey said emerging technology trends like hydrogen and zero-emission vehicles would give Queenslanders the best possible transport system.

"We need to keep pace with technological change in other developed nations as well as grow jobs in an emerging industry," he said.

The Government says it's investigating technological advances worldwide to inform its planning and is seeking feedback on its draft strategy by May 24.

Future Queensland Transport: Flying cars, autonomous buses and electric vehicles are all part of the State Government's future transport plan released today. @TristanVorias7 #qlftraffic #7NEWS https://t.co/5RJiOVI8uJ

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1118070203126931457

Quote from: verbatim9 on April 14, 2019, 10:56:54 AM

Quote from: Old Northern Road on April 14, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Passenger drones?  Driverless cars?  You know the technology for driverless trains has been around since the 1960s 
All nonsense. Meanwhile have a look at what is happening in NSW

^^Vancouver Skyrail was the first commercial  Driverless Train to operate successfully to date. Yes Driverless tech is becoming more prominent. Don't you need a complete segregated corridor for Driverless tech in urban areas to meet health and safety standards?
Driver Only is achievable in Se Qld though.

Victoria Line in 1968 was the first

Driverless, flying cars aren't going to save Brisbane. They are a 100 years off

Queensland Transport Strategy

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/queenslandtransportstrategy

To prepare for the exciting changes happening in the transport sector, the Department of Transport and Main Roads released the Queensland Transport Strategy.

Our 30-year vision detailed in this strategy shows how we plan to harness emerging transport trends to continue to move people and products safely and efficiently into the future.

Structured around 5 high-level customer outcomes, the strategy will move us towards a transport industry which will be cost effective, safer and more reliable, where innovation can thrive and benefits are experienced across the community.

The 5 outcomes are:

Accessible, convenient transport
Safe journeys for all
Seamless, personalised journeys
Efficient, reliable and productive transport for people and goods
Sustainable, resilient and liveable communities.

Please view the document: Queensland Transport Strategy.

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tableOffice/questionsAnswers/2023/196-2023.pdf

Question on Notice
No. 196
Asked on 15 March 2023

MR M BERKMAN ASKED MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND MAIN ROADS (HON M BAILEY)

QUESTION:

With reference to long-term public and active transport planning and the Queensland Transport
Strategy that 'anticipates', presumably based on modelling, 1.6 million daily trips on public
transport by 2050—
Will the Minister advise (a) what is the figure in mode share terms and (b) does the Queensland
Government have a target for the desired mode share for public and active transport for 2031,
2041, 2050 or any other year, either in SEQ or all of Queensland?

ANSWER:

I thank the Member for Maiwar for the question.

The Queensland Transport Strategy (QTS) is a future focused, whole of transport system strategy
with a 30-year vision, which seeks to harness emerging transport trends to move people and
products safely and efficiently into the future. Structured around five customer outcomes, the
strategy guides how the Department of Transport and Main Roads (TMR) will respond to
emerging trends to deliver a transport system that enhances the economic prosperity,
sustainability, and liveability of our state.

While the QTS forecasts a target of 1.6 million daily trips on public transport by 2050, it does not
set mode share targets. The 1.6 million public transport trips in 2050 represents approximately
nine per cent mode share across South East Queensland. The mode share performance of public
and active transport will be monitored, using TMR's Household Travel Survey, against the
anticipated 1.6 million public transport trips and the increasing future active transport trips.
As new transport services emerge and innovative technologies mature, it is important to put
Queenslander's needs first so that new services and technologies are harnessed for the benefits
of all. Over the next 30 years, there will be many unforeseen changes to the transport system.
For example, during the COVID-19 pandemic many people changed their travel behaviour
because of decentralised work teams and increased their local active transport trips, such as
walking and cycling.
The QTS aligns with the Transport Coordination Plan which articulates the government's
objectives over a decade and provides the overarching framework for strategic planning and
management of transport in Queensland. This plan guides the development of more detailed
transport plans and strategies, such as Creating Better Connections which encourage an
increase in public transport patronage.

Through the Queensland Cycling Strategy 2017–2027 and the Queensland Walking Strategy
2019–2029, the Queensland Government is taking action to ensure that, as the population grows,
people are supported to choose cycling and walking as convenient, enjoyable, and healthy ways
to travel. When people choose to ride a bike, walk, or take public transport, our transport system
is more sustainable, it reduces traffic congestion and helps to reduce Queensland's carbon
footprint, while people with more active lifestyles are generally happier and healthier.

Sent to all outlets:

Independent Inquiry into Transport Planning and Investment in South East Queensland needed!

15th April 2023

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) is calling for an Independent Inquiry into Transport Planning, Investment and Operation in South East Queensland including land use planning as well as the roles and responsibilities at both the State and local levels.

The Queensland Government has updated their Measures that Matter for 2022 https://planning.dsdmip.qld.gov.au/mtm?theme=connect (Figure 1) and it clearly shows that transport planning, investment and operations in SEQ is simply making a bad situation worse.

SEQ Transport and City Planning by all levels of Government has failed to deliver any change towards the 2031 Targets for car usage (Figure 2) and actually increased car use from the 1996 IRTP Trend (Figure 3).

Many cities around the world saw dramatic declines in car use due to COVID so the fact SEQ has remained the same is an utterly damning indictment of the current transport/city planning policies and political name calling.

The people of Queensland are paying the price with each trip by car that was targeted to be by active or public transport is costing the tax-payer up to 6 times more in subsides.  Most of this subsidy is in the health budget. (Figure 4)

Whilst there are some big public transport projects like CRR, Gold Coast Light Rail and Faster Rail to the Gold Coast underway. Others are decades behind schedule if started at all and BCC is just doing its own thing and thumbing its nose at the Transport Minister.  Meanwhile the majority of the transport investment is still being poured into creating more car use and failing everyone.

RAIL Back On Track is confident that an analysis of freight by rail in SEQ will be equally damning if not worse!

An urgent Independent Enquiry is needed into Transport and City Planning, Investment and Operations.  After no reduction in car use in 27 years, SEQ would need more than a miracle to meet the Connecting 2031 Targets.

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org



^ Figure 1 - Measures that Matter SEQ Mode Share
https://backontrack.org/docs/media/15apr23/image1.jpg




^ Figure 2 - Connecting SEQ 2031 Target Mode Share
https://backontrack.org/docs/media/15apr23/image2.jpg




^ Figure 3 - 1996 Integrated Transport Plan Trend and Target
https://backontrack.org/docs/media/15apr23/image3.jpg




^ Figure 4 - Cost of Your Commute
https://backontrack.org/docs/media/15apr23/image4.jpg

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It would be interesting to see what methodology TMR used to determine the target levels and how achievable they were. What are they based on? Was there an assessment of how they would be met?

Transport Coordination Plan

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/About-us/Corporate-information/Publications/Transport-Coordination-Plan

The Department of Transport and Main Roads has developed a transport coordination plan in accordance with the requirements of the Transport Planning and Coordination Act 1994.

The Transport Coordination Plan 2017-2027 provides a strategic framework for the planning and management of transport resources in Queensland over a 10-year time frame. It includes high-level objectives for Queensland's transport system across the following 5 key areas:

. customer experience and affordability
. community connectivity
. efficiency and productivity
. safety and security
. environment and sustainability.

The objectives outline the government's expectations of what the transport system will provide for Queenslanders over the next decade.

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tableOffice/questionsAnswers/2023/205-2023.pdf

Question on Notice
No. 205
Asked on 16 March 2023

MR S MINNIKIN ASKED MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND MAIN ROADS (HON M BAILEY)

QUESTION:

With reference to the Transport Coordination Plan 2017–2027—
Will the Minister provide for each Transport Key Performance Indicator listed on pages 21 and
22 (a) the 2017 baseline measurement, (b) the 2027 target measurement and (c) the current (or
most recently available) measurement?

ANSWER:

I thank the Member for Chatsworth for the question.

As part of its ongoing commitment to the delivery of the Transport Coordination Plan (TCP), the
Department of Transport and Main Roads (TMR) has developed the Transport Coordination Plan
Performance Snapshot 2020, published on 8 November 2022 and can be found online at
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/about-us/corporate-information/publications/transport-coordination-plan.

The performance snapshot will address the Member's (a) and (c) questions.
The TCP has not set 2027 targets, however TMR will continue to monitor these key performance
indicators, and report on them as they become available.

Never can have too many plans hey?

 

What a strange document, it touched on everything except co-ordination (e.g. between modes, land use etc).

Or was that integration I was thinking about? I assume then there is a transport integration plan too? 

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tableoffice/questionsanswers/2023/196-2023.pdf

Question on Notice
No. 196
Asked on 15 March 2023

MR M BERKMAN ASKED MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND MAIN ROADS (HON M BAILEY)

QUESTION:

With reference to long-term public and active transport planning and the Queensland Transport
Strategy that 'anticipates', presumably based on modelling, 1.6 million daily trips on public
transport by 2050—
Will the Minister advise (a) what is the figure in mode share terms and (b) does the Queensland
Government have a target for the desired mode share for public and active transport for 2031,
2041, 2050 or any other year, either in SEQ or all of Queensland?

ANSWER:

I thank the Member for Maiwar for the question.

The Queensland Transport Strategy (QTS) is a future focused, whole of transport system strategy
with a 30-year vision, which seeks to harness emerging transport trends to move people and
products safely and efficiently into the future. Structured around five customer outcomes, the
strategy guides how the Department of Transport and Main Roads (TMR) will respond to
emerging trends to deliver a transport system that enhances the economic prosperity,
sustainability, and liveability of our state.

While the QTS forecasts a target of 1.6 million daily trips on public transport by 2050, it does not
set mode share targets. The 1.6 million public transport trips in 2050 represents approximately
nine per cent mode share across South East Queensland. The mode share performance of public
and active transport will be monitored, using TMR's Household Travel Survey, against the
anticipated 1.6 million public transport trips and the increasing future active transport trips.
As new transport services emerge and innovative technologies mature, it is important to put
Queenslander's needs first so that new services and technologies are harnessed for the benefits
of all. Over the next 30 years, there will be many unforeseen changes to the transport system.
For example, during the COVID-19 pandemic many people changed their travel behaviour
because of decentralised work teams and increased their local active transport trips, such as
walking and cycling.

The QTS aligns with the Transport Coordination Plan which articulates the government's
objectives over a decade and provides the overarching framework for strategic planning and
management of transport in Queensland. This plan guides the development of more detailed
transport plans and strategies, such as Creating Better Connections which encourage an
increase in public transport patronage.

Through the Queensland Cycling Strategy 2017–2027 and the Queensland Walking Strategy
2019–2029, the Queensland Government is taking action to ensure that, as the population grows,
people are supported to choose cycling and walking as convenient, enjoyable, and healthy ways
to travel. When people choose to ride a bike, walk, or take public transport, our transport system
is more sustainable, it reduces traffic congestion and helps to reduce Queensland's carbon
footprint, while people with more active lifestyles are generally happier and healthier.

Brisbanetimes --> 'Lack of ambition': Qld public transport trips forecast to plummet

QuoteThe Queensland government has downgraded public transport forecasts, with less than 10 per cent of journeys in the south-east expected to be on the region's trains, buses and ferries.

In a parliamentary question on notice, Greens MP Michael Berkman asked Transport Minister Mark Bailey for the government's forecast of public transport's mode share, or share of total motorised trips, in 2050. ...

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1652685368070934533

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1652687681078562816

Great question by Green Team. Red team need to think about where their targets come from and whether they are produced in a rational way.

Right now these targets seem to come out of a black box. There's no visibility around the method or reasoning behind them. Is there a method at all?

Secondly, if services aren't becoming faster or more frequent then mode share cannot grow because the time gap between car cannot narrow.

Thirdly, once again the government has confused infrastructure with services.

We have great infrastructure and barely any service. Redcliffe and Springfield lines cost billions just to run 2 trains/hr. What are people supposed to do with that?

Perth does a better job and now a growing proportion of the Perth network has 10 min trains all day.

And finally Mark Bailey and TMR signature policy has been the cost neutral services cap which means no net new service. They could fix up BCC but hey they don't want to do that either.

Sent to all outlets:

Has the Palaszczuk Government thrown in the 'public transport towel'?

1st May 2023

On the 15th March 2023 Mr M Berkman (MP for Maiwar) asked the Minister for Transport Mr M Bailey a Question On Notice (QON) about desired mode shares for public and active transport for 2031, 2041, and 2050 in SEQ and all of Queensland.

The response from the Minister for Transport has been been tabled in Parliament ( https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tableoffice/questionsanswers/2023/196-2023.pdf ).

The response is disappointing as it only indicates the Government has an aim of public transport mode share of 9% by 2050.

Brisbanetimes has today published an article following up the QON answer:

Brisbanetimes --> 'Lack of ambition': Qld public transport trips forecast to plummet
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/lack-of-ambition-qld-public-transport-trips-forecast-to-plummet-20230427-p5d3rb.html

Robert Dow of public transport advocacy group Rail Back on Track said there remained "serious issues" with south-east Queensland's public transport system, including poorly distributed bus services and an increasingly unreliable train system, due largely to signalling issues.

"Unless they set up a public transport system that's attractive and works, it's going to be difficult to come up with proper mode targets – and they should be aiming for 20 or 30 per cent," he said.

"In some parts of Brisbane, it's quite high locally, but as a whole – because we've got this urban sprawl in south-east Queensland – it's very poorly serviced, and you come up with figures like 9 per cent."

Michael Berkman is quoted as "Berkman said the lower forecast demonstrated a 'lack of ambition' on Labor's part to get more people onto public transport.

"We should be going hell for leather to give people the freedom to leave their car at home, but it feels like Queensland Labor are admitting defeat," he said.

"The state government is wasting billions every year building bigger roads that make traffic worse, and that will never change unless there is a concerted plan led by real, ambitious targets."

and 'Berkman said the aim should be 50 per cent mode share, or more.

"Other cities around the world have shown it can be done," he said.

"Electric cars by themselves aren't the answer to rising transport pollution, and even 100 per cent electric cars will still leave our city choked with traffic."'

We largely agree with Mr Berkman. Electric cars are just replacing internal combustion cars with ever worsening congestion.
 
The real answer is to ramp up electric trains, trams and buses and boost opportunities for active transport, with a frequent, accessible connected network.
We have infrastructure and barely any services. Redcliffe and Springfield lines cost billions just to run 2 trains/hour. What are people supposed to do with that?

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Reference:

Independent Inquiry into Transport Planning and Investment in South East Queensland needed!
https://railbotforum.org/yourls/5j
15th April 2023

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Booked for an interview at 7.10am this morning on ABC Brisbane Radio Breakfast, host Craig Zonca.

Current patronage SEQ ~ 150 million trips/year = 0.41 million trips/day

Government states 1.6 million trips daily = 548 million trips/year by 2050 (9% mode share)

RBoT Target 400 campaign is 400 million trips/year by 2032 (1.1 million trips/day)

They will argue it is demand driven therefore nothing they can do which is utter BS! Minister stand down!!

Completed the interview.  Suggested the real target should be at least 5 million trips/day by 2050.

Explained why and how that would be achieved.

Hope to get a recording later today ....

#givemestrength 

Quote from: #Metro on May 01, 2023, 04:21:24 AMGreat question by Green Team. Red team need to think about where their targets come from and whether they are produced in a rational way.

Right now these targets seem to come out of a black box. There's no visibility around the method or reasoning behind them. Is there a method at all?

Secondly, if services aren't becoming faster or more frequent then mode share cannot grow because the time gap between car cannot narrow.

Thirdly, once again the government has confused infrastructure with services.

We have great infrastructure and barely any service. Redcliffe and Springfield lines cost billions just to run 2 trains/hr. What are people supposed to do with that?

Perth does a better job and now a growing proportion of the Perth network has 10 min trains all day.

And finally Mark Bailey and TMR signature policy has been the cost neutral services cap which means no net new service. They could fix up BCC but hey they don't want to do that either.

There's nothing wrong with the targets in fact they are too low. Remember Vision and Validate   The problem is that in the 30 years since the target were first set the investment has prioritised driving! Never going to move towards target whist encouraging if not enforcing the opposite! Just like smoking more cigarettes to cure lung cancer!

Quote from: ozbob on May 01, 2023, 07:35:09 AMCompleted the interview.  Suggested the real target should be at least 5 million trips/day by 2050.

Explained why and how that would be achieved.

Hope to get a recording later today ....

#givemestrength 

Interview ABC Radio Brisbane Breakfast Host Craig Zonca and Robert Dow RBoT discuss the Government's public transport mode share target for 2050

Here --> https://backontrack.org/docs/abcbris/abcbris_1may23_rdcz.mp3 MP3 5.1 MB

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1652809585621880833

QuoteThere's nothing wrong with the targets in fact they are too low. Remember Vision and Validate  The problem is that in the 30 years since the target were first set the investment has prioritised driving! Never going to move towards target whist encouraging if not enforcing the opposite! Just like smoking more cigarettes to cure lung cancer!

PT has improved since 1990s, but so have roads. Arterial roads were converted to motorways or expanded.

Trains have actually slowed down over this time, so even if they exist it still makes sense to drive.

Any gains made have been counterbalanced by growth in very distant housing in Sunshine Coast, MBRC etc.

This requires building multiple rail lines all radiating from the CBD which IMHO isn't a sustainable model due to the sheer cost of extending new rail.

The circuit breaker for all of this I see will be Fast Regional Rail based around the Perth Model.

https://twitter.com/BrisbaneWestBUG/status/1652813220732862465

It's really a 0% target if they continue with this cost neutrality business on buses.