RAIL - Back On Track Forum

In light of all these cancellations because of labour shortages, costs etc..,is highlighting the case to transition to autonomous methods of transporting people around.

The focus should be first on the train network as this can be the easiest and least controversial to roll out. Especially, if done in stages from driver only to autonomous.

^ that might be something many years away.

First priority is to get our public transport functioning better.

An element of bus network reform is part of the solution. 

There are things that can be done at a government level to help address the driver shortfalls.

Automation isn't the solution. A usable pt network is. But hey, if dropping over a billion dollars to make a couple railway lines automated is the solution then Gympie road having 24bph between 10pm-11pm on a Wednesday night must not be an issue. Fix the fundamental pt issues that we have. Get Translink out of TMR, give it some authority, get people in that know what they are doing, spend money on pt and f**** bcc right out of pt network planning.

Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 21, 2023, 13:43:56 PMAutomation isn' a solution  But hey, if dropping over a billion dollars to make a couple railway lines automated is the solution then Gympie road having 24bph between 10pm-11pm

Automation where possible is a solution as it's not subject to labour market changes. It's proven to be the most economical and reliable way for authorities to provide public transport.

Bus cancellations are mostly occuring during peak where another bus shortly follows. It's not occurring or rarely occurs at 10pm.

Although some shoulder services have been affected lately

Just to clarify there are only max 10-12 bus services in the direction along Gympie road at that time of the night.

Quote from: verbatim9 on March 21, 2023, 14:31:46 PMAutomation where possible is a solution as it's not subject to labour market changes. It's proven to be the most economical and reliable way for authorities to provide public transport.

Bus cancellations are mostly occuring during peak where another bus shortly follows. It's not occurring or rarely occurs at 10pm.

Not so. Bus service cancellations have been all over, in fact some early hours of the morning.

Some jurisdictions cancellations have meant gaps of 2 or 3 hours.

Don't post things that are blatantly not correct please.

Automation is a pipe dream.  Get over it. 

Quote from: verbatim9 on March 21, 2023, 14:31:46 PM

Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 21, 2023, 13:43:56 PMAutomation isn' a solution  But hey, if dropping over a billion dollars to make a couple railway lines automated is the solution then Gympie road having 24bph between 10pm-11pm

Automation where possible is a solution as it's not subject to labour market changes. It's proven to be the most economical and reliable way for authorities to provide public transport.

Bus cancellations are mostly occuring during peak where another bus shortly follows. It's not occurring or rarely occurs at 10pm.

Although some shoulder services have been affected lately

Just to clarify there are only max 10-12 bus services in the direction along Gympie road at that time of the night.

Sorry but what a load. Also 12 per direction. 24 buses per hour minimum using Gympie road between 10-11pm. That's more than a few drivers required there. It's no wonder there is a driver shortage and late running.

If BCC ran more buses to trains instead of parallel to them, they might realise an efficiency and not need as many staff.

How about that?

Quote from: #Metro on March 21, 2023, 15:41:55 PMIf BCC ran more buses to trains instead of parallel to them, they might realise an efficiency and not need as many staff.

How about that?

Or provide coverage to other areas instead of having all the casuals knock off at sunset.

Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 21, 2023, 15:26:54 PM

Quote from: verbatim9 on March 21, 2023, 14:31:46 PM

Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 21, 2023, 13:43:56 PMAutomation isn' a solution  But hey, if dropping over a billion dollars to make a couple railway lines automated is the solution then Gympie road having 24bph between 10pm-11pm

Automation where possible is a solution as it's not subject to labour market changes. It's proven to be the most economical and reliable way for authorities to provide public transport.

Bus cancellations are mostly occuring during peak where another bus shortly follows. It's not occurring or rarely occurs at 10pm.

Although some shoulder services have been affected lately

Just to clarify there are only max 10-12 bus services in the direction along Gympie road at that time of the night.

Sorry but what a load. Also 12 per direction. 24 buses per hour minimum using Gympie road between 10-11pm. That's more than a few drivers required there. It's no wonder there is a driver shortage and late running.

Whatever

330/333/340 buz are all 4bph each direction. So that's 4x3=12. 12x2=24. 24 buses using Gympie road. Oh. The 370. That has 1 bus in each direction. So that's another 2 buses. 24+2=26. That's 26 buses travelling along Gympie road between 10-11pm at night.

13 or 26 buses. That's still far too many services - many of which still bunch and follow each other - on Gympie road after 10pm.

Quote from: #Metro on March 21, 2023, 15:41:55 PMIf BCC ran more buses to trains instead of parallel to them, they might realise an efficiency and not need as many staff.

How about that?

Indeed.   

Hello .... an example 

https://twitter.com/Translink_QLD/status/1638183450719993856

Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 21, 2023, 18:12:38 PM330/333/340 buz are all 4bph each direction. So that's 4x3=12. 12x2=24. 24 buses using Gympie road. Oh. The 370. That has 1 bus in each direction. So that's another 2 buses. 24+2=26. That's 26 buses travelling along Gympie road between 10-11pm at night.

13 or 26 buses. That's still far too many services - many of which still bunch and follow each other - on Gympie road after 10pm.

Also the 375 for good measure.

Quote from: SurfRail on March 22, 2023, 10:33:59 AM

Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 21, 2023, 18:12:38 PM330/333/340 buz are all 4bph each direction. So that's 4x3=12. 12x2=24. 24 buses using Gympie road. Oh. The 370. That has 1 bus in each direction. So that's another 2 buses. 24+2=26. That's 26 buses travelling along Gympie road between 10-11pm at night.

13 or 26 buses. That's still far too many services - many of which still bunch and follow each other - on Gympie road after 10pm.

Also the 375 for good measure.

Shhh. V9 is about to implode with the amount of services that this corridor has meanwhile that's more services than my local has on a weekend

Surely the simple solution here is consolidation of overlapping routes? There's simply no need for the 330, 333, and 340 to all be running after about 7pm. Feederise the 330/340.

Ditto 200/222, and the giant collection of routes serving Coronation Dr.

It's so simple, yet the thickheads in DTMR/BCC can't seem to work it out.

Nah that's a silly idea. The Translink review didn't have any feeders and it certainly didn't have the 340 buz getting cut Chermside to City and merged into the 1 new route that was made up of cut 325/326/327/329/335/336/337/338/339 legs. BUZ THE 379 INSTEAD. Because if anything we need more buses servicing Windsor rail stops as the 4x330 underneath the ground, the 4x333, 4x340, 1x370, 1x375 and 1x379 are not enough between 10-11pm. We need more places with more services and others that don't have anything needs less. Whatelse? Maglev the 314?

I for one don't think the intersection of Beaudesert Road and Illaweena Street has enough high frequency buses and NightLink services late at night.  Surely only 24 of the latter and 2 of the former is too few for such a built up location.

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