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POLL: Rail in Cairns

Started by #Metro, October 21, 2010, 18:17:15 PM

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Do you think rail is viable in Cairns using existing tracks in around the City?

YES
10 (55.6%)
NO
6 (33.3%)
Undecided
2 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: October 28, 2010, 18:17:15 PM

#Metro

Ok, this idea is a bit out there, but it might be possible.
QLD Government keeps talking about decentralization- no-one is going to move out there until there are services and infrastructure.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Cairns,+Queensland,+Australia&sll=-27.46758,153.027892&sspn=0.0412,0.087118&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Cairns+Queensland,+Australia&ll=-16.892027,145.71064&spn=0.044431,0.11982&z=14

Redlynch (Northern Terminus)
Stratford
Cairns International Airport
Cairns North
James/Law Street

Cairns Central

Port Smith Rd/Bruce Hwy
Anderson Road
Mt Sheridan
Bentley Park
Edmonton (Southern Terminus)

To support the rail system, the area would come under a translink like arrangement
where the routes were planned and funded by the government. The bus system would be re-organized to
feed the rail stations.

Using a diesel light rail service would mean that no electrification would be required and existing tracks could be used.
Quick to start and get in operation.
It would allow feeder services to concentrate passengers at the rail stations and transfer to the train.

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#Metro

Unbelieveably, there are ideas about building a busway for Cairns!  :-w
The rail line is already there!!!!
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2008/05/03/3576_local-news.html

Doh!  :-r

Quote"Time frames for the long-term planning and construction of the busway are scheduled to be announced at that time," he said.

"The busway network is intended to service the north, south and west of Cairns, providing a high level of public transport to areas where public transport efficiency and reliability is currently affected by traffic congestion."

Mr Blockey said the project was a long-term strategy to alleviate Cairns transport issues and get people from A to B quickly.

"It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation because people need to want to use the service to make it happen but it needs to happen to make people want to use it," he said.
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somebody

Quote from: tramtrain on October 21, 2010, 18:32:17 PM
The rail line is already there!!!!
Maybe, but if you look at a map, it doesn't appear to go near the majority of the catchment, has few stations and lacks electrification.

Even Newcastle's rail service isn't very significant for local trips.

#Metro

Yes, but you can hook up the bus system to the rail line to take care of that.
The alignment isn't bad at all. It goes from the northern suburbs, right through the centre, then out again to the southern suburbs.
There is no need to electrify the lines. With a diesel service, you just have the tracks, like the Ottawa O-train.
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Diesel light rail

A few recently-opened systems in North America use diesel-powered trains, including the River Line in New Jersey (opened in 2004), the O-Train in Ottawa (opened in 2001), and the SPRINTER in northern San Diego County, California. Diesel operations are chosen in corridors where lower ridership is expected (and thus do not justify the expense of the electric power infrastructure) or which have an "interurban" nature with stations spaced relatively far apart (electric power provides greater acceleration, making it essential for operations with closely-spaced stations). Operations with diesel-powered trains can be an interim measure until ridership growth and the availability of funding allow the system to be upgraded to electric power operations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail_in_North_America
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#5
Cairns Middle


(Ideally IMHO a line via Bungalow and the City Centre would be better, however, I have thought that a 'no new construction'
approach should be taken to keep costs to the absolute minimum.) The Alignment also looks faster to get into the CBD than the
Bruce Hwy. I don't know what Cairns traffic is like.

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#6
Cairns South

Stations have been kept near main entry roads to allow buses to sweep the suburb and then rush out to the
nearest rail station and terminate.
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#8
Hmm. Not sure about that rail tunnel.
Much cheaper to just use what is already there.

Using the current rail line ---> minimal construction costs
Using diesel services ---> no need for overhead wires, poles, electricity or substations of any kind
Using the rail not buses ---> more legible for tourists and encourages TOD and densification around stations- this would never ever happen with a bus system using highways and then jumping off and dispersing into a braid of low frequency routes the suburbs.

This means that the 30 million/km for light rail is also wrong and too high a figure to use for financial modelling purposes as
this is for upper-end electrified systems which require track and overhead to be built. And there is certainly no reason to start building
Brisbane-style busways!!!

Buy or rent diesel LRT services, put in some simple concrete platforms and bus bays and re-organise the bus system.
Don't gold plate the stations either. They should be like the bus stops with shelters in Brisbane. Simple, cheap and easy.
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Don't forget to post ideas/discussion etc.
Voting is good at gauging the level of support but it doesn't take the place of a good discussion.
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ClintonL94

My suggestion is to have another line as well as your current one via Earlville and Manunda and then possibly to link back to the current line for the airport..Your thoughts?

#Metro

QuoteMy suggestion is to have another line as well as your current one via Earlville and Manunda and then possibly to link back to the current line for the airport..Your thoughts?

It could be run in the median of the Bruce Hwy.
But I've take a very minimal 'no new construction' approach just to get the foot in the door.
I guess BRT could be used for that section- but hey, maybe LRT can work there too, I don't see why not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Australia
Cairns Airport is also just a tad under the Gold Coast Airport in terms of passenger movements as well.
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#Metro

PT is a hot issue, residents appear to be stewing...
* Reliability issues
* Frequency is a problem

Is our public transport up to scratch- the Cairns Post
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/10/20/131455_local-news.html

QuoteI am lucky enough to now have a car but when I relied on the sunbus for transport I was constantly running late, let down and being forced to pay for taxi's. The worst case i ever had was when a bus did not turn up, after it was 30 minutes late I rang sunbus and was told there was no bus. I had to read the timetable aloud over the phone until he actually looked and agreed there was a bus and go find out where it was. I was told it had broken down and I would have to wait for the next one, on a sunday, meaning in 2 hours time. When I asked him if he was going to ring my boss and tell them why I would be late for work I got the reply "That's not my problem". Sunbus is the biggest joke for 'public transport' in Australia.

Posted by: Lauren of Cairns 9:20pm Wednesday
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#14
Quote from: tramtrain on October 21, 2010, 18:51:32 PM
Cairns Middle


(Ideally IMHO a line via Bungalow and the City Centre would be better, however, I have thought that a 'no new construction'
approach should be taken to keep costs to the absolute minimum.)


TT, look closer at Google Maps! The route you suggest via Bungalow actually existed, was serviced by suburban trains, and was the original route into Cairns, replaced with the deviation via Portsmith during the 1990s.

Bungalow and White Rock both had stations serviced by the original Cairns suburban services.

AFAIK the right of way is still free of development for most of its length.

The deviation starts here in the south of White Rock - click here.  Where the line curves away to the east, the original line carried on straight parallel to the bruce highway.

The site of the former White Rock station is still shown on Google Maps - click here.

You can then see the piers of the railway bridges - click here.

The line then continued running in the median between Spence St & Little Spence St - click here.

Site of Bungalow Station - click here

The last section of line before it rejoins the present day corridor was effectively street trackage - click here.  The current line via Portsmith yard comes back in at this point - originally there was a branch along Dutton Street to the jetty and a small yard here, later Portsmith yard was developed, then the line was deviated via Portsmith to eliminate the street trackage.

The reason for the street trackage along Spence St becomes clear when you recall that the line south of Cairns started off as the Mulgrave Shire Tramway, and was not part of the QGR system.  It was subsumed into the QR as part of the NCL, but the route served as a shire tramway for many years before the railway took it over.

#Metro

Cairns Bus Priority Study
Confirms that they want to build busways, buses need roads,
Bruce highway in this section will be upgraded apparently (hopefully they won't resume the rail corridor for road lanes, and then they are going to put in/preserve a busway corridor (???))

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/e3088fdd-7abd-4c51-a071-b287f851134f/pdf_cairns_bus_priority_study_executive_summary.pdf

Bruce Highway Upgrade

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/62e0cda6-acc7-4ff1-a3e1-be8fec778451/masterplan.pdf&rank=5&collection=qld-gov
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The reason for the street trackage along Spence St becomes clear when you recall that the line south of Cairns started off as the Mulgrave Shire Tramway, and was not part of the QGR system.  It was subsumed into the QR as part of the NCL, but the route served as a shire tramway for many years before the railway took it over.

A tramway! Cairns had a tramway!

The newer "deviation" looks a bit ugly, I mean it goes around a tank farm.
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Stillwater

The State Government talks up the need for 'affordable housing'.  The affordable housing in Cairns is in the southern suburbs, which keep expanding as the city grows.  This suits both the Cairns Regional Council and the State Government, as most of the commuting traffic task must be performed by the Bruce Highway - which the Federal Government funds (i.e. you chose not the most efficient means of solving the problem, but the one that allows you to shift the cost to the private sector or another level of government.  The Brisbane Airtrain is a solution that the state government didn't contribute to, but had the private sector 'solve').  The Bruce Highway at Cairns has been widened to six lanes, and eight lanes in parts.  Even that is inadequate for the commuter traffic.  Now another 'relief road' is planned.  A suburban rail network for Cairns is an idea whose time has come.

#Metro

If you look at Google Maps, you can see that the newer developments have the anti-public transport
road design that makes it extremely difficult for bus services to penetrate into the suburbs without
wasting huge amounts of time navigating local streets.

No wonder people complain about PT!
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#Metro

#19
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/12/05/80185_blog-soap-box.html

Idea has been floated by CAST before it seems... :o

Bus hub: http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/11/13/75605_local-news.html

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TMR estimates building and equipping "Bus Rapid Transit" typically costs $10 million per kilometre, compared to $30 million for "Light Rail Transit". The CAST proposal is for about 90km of light rail lines and extra buses, at a total bill of about $2.75 billion.

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/12/05/80185_blog-soap-box.html
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colinw

Don't get too excited about the Mulgrave Shire Tramway, it was basically a shire owned light railway primarily for sugar & local freight, although passenger services were operated.

My earlier statement about Cairns suburban services making it into the 1970s was in error, it was the Tully & Ravenshoe services that lasted longer, but the Cairns suburbans went in 1969. (Horrible year that, same year that Brisbane lost its trams).

If anyone has doubts that trains could work there, remember that Cairns supported an intensive suburban rail service for longer than any other Queensland city other than Brisbane.

To quote "Triumph of Narrow Gauge", John Kerr, page 137:

"Genuinely suburban services ran in Brisbane, Ipswich, Toowoomba, Rockhampton, Townsville and Cairns ..."

and ...

"Frequent railmotors provided suburban services between Cairns and Gordonvale and between Cairns and Redlynch from 1927, the Redlynch service being reduced to morning school and workers service in the early forties.  The Gordonvale service, supplemented by Aloomba and Tully runs, continued until 1969."

So 1969 marks the demise of the true suburban service in Cairns, although the Tully local service, and also the daily Ravenshoe service continued until the 1980s.

#Metro

QuoteWhy is a bus-based system best for Cairns?

We have investigated the potential to use the existing heavy rail corridor for urban public transport. Studies show a new network is needed to get people to the places they want to go to.

One of the major benefits of bus-based transport systems is that high priority sections of the network can be constructed first with buses running on existing roads elsewhere. This means public money can be spent effectively when and where it is most needed. The Far North Queensland Regional Plan 2009–2031 determines that most of the region's growth over the next 20 years will occur around planned stations on the Cairns Transit Network, so that more people have convenient access to high-frequency public transport.

Bus rapid transit systems provide the flexibility and affordability of a bus with the comfort and reliability of rail. These corridors are designed to be initially serviced by bus rapid transit with

http://www.cairns.com.au/docs/2009/11/04/BruceHighwayUpgrade.pdf

More background:

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/04/09/37381_print-version.html
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/04/09/37381_local-news.html
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/12/05/80185_blog-soap-box.html
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#Metro

#22
The website is down, but the page is still in Google Cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1b9vu-PSY8oJ:www.cairnstransitnetwork.com.au/bus_rapid_transit.html+Cairns+Light+Rail&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a

Cairns really thought about it, there is even more stuff on this:

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/12/05/80291_local-news.html

Cairns future 'doomed' without trams
QuoteA CAIRNS academic has reignited the public transport debate, saying the city is "doomed" if it doesn't introduce a tram network.

In The Weekend Post's Soapbox column today, James Cook University's Jonathan Strauss says introducing a light rail system would reduce traffic congestion and be a cheaper option than the State Government's rapid transit bus network proposal.

Would you like to see trams introduced in Cairns? Have your say.

"Our city will be doomed to suffer growing road traffic and constant road upgrades," he writes.

"A light rail vehicle filled with passengers is cheaper to run than two or three buses.
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#Metro

Demonstration ---> http://www.flickr.com/photos/39432048@N04/show/

Crikey! Never seen something like this for Brisbane!
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colinw

#24
There you go then.  Take the money off those anti light rail nongs on the Gold Coast and give it to our sensible northern cousins.  >:D

Seriously 'though, I'm a little surprised that there is a proposal to build busways in Cairns.  If the costs are anything like they are in Brisbane, I can't see how it is justified for a city of that size, particularly when the rail corridor is already available.

There have been comments about "the rail corridor isn't in the right place".  My response to that is :-

1.  Feeder buses.  :lo :bu :bu :bu
2.  Why are we planning our new developments in such a manner that they turn their back on the available infrastructure?
3.  The rail line in Cairns go a darn sight closer to the major housing developments in the south than the Gold Coast line goes to housing for much of its line.  Use of rail can't be done because the line doesn't go through the middle of the populated area?  Then why the heck did we build the Gold Coast line?

The problem isn't a failing of the railway, it is a failure of development policy.

Same thing further south in Townsville.  The ULDA is pushing a Springfield style development at Oonoonba.  Oonoonba was served by suburban trains in past years, the line to the south of Townsville is already double track dating from the days of suburban rail there.  Do you think there's any plan to use rail to service it?  A perfectly good, under utilised bit of infrastructure just sits there, and probably will get single tracked one of these days.

If I sound grumpy it is because I am.  The vast majority of these things which we say today "can't be done" were in fact done decades ago with a fraction of the population we have now.  Cairns supported suburban rail for decades, despite being a quarter the size it is now.  Ditto Townsville.  Rockhampton at its peak had trams, and railway branch lines radiating to all points of the compass, potentially a better local network than Brisbane had it been a big city.

cartoonbirdhaus

Just one question - what sorts of frequencies are possible on those alignments in Cairns, given that it's single track?
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#Metro

#26
Actually, (and everyone is going to go OH!!!) you can get fully diesel LRT,
but you can also get Tram-Trains which do the same job with diesel as well.

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/european-cities-introduce-new-tram-train-technology-from-the-european-urban-knowledge-network/

I'll ask around...
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#Metro

#27
Have a look at this!
http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/diesel-light-rail-to-chilliwack-what-will-it-cost/

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Diesel light-rail to Chilliwack – What will it cost?
By zweisystem

One Canadian transit line, seldom mentioned by TransLink or the Minister for Transportation is Ottawa's 8 km. diesel LRT line, called the O-Train. The five-station route connects to Ottawa's existing east-west bus Transitway system with simple stations at its north and south ends. Because it uses an existing rail line, it cost only about $4 million per kilometer to set up this 8km line, including the cost of track upgrades, signaling, simple stations, and three Bombardier Talent diesel light rail vehicles. The current cost of Ottawa's lack lustre busways is about $15 million per km. to build, which is about $10 million per km. more than tramway construction in Helsinki. Please see Trams on the cheap – Part 2.

Remember, the BRT on the highway in Cairns is about $10 million/km and many intersections will have to be upgraded to allow bus priority. This might just work, and will support TOD unlike buses! Maybe developers will be interested in contributing?

The entire Cairns alignment, complete is ~25 km, so that is about... 25 x 4 million/km = 100 million. This is about the same cost of 1km of busway in Brisbane (or 10 km of on road bus priority in Cairns?)

However, if we only do half of the alignment as a starter line (and then extend and extend incrementally) the cost could be cut again... It is often said that LRT can't be done in stages. IMHO this is not true, not if at the last station you have a BRT bus feeding it...
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#Metro

QuoteAs a pilot project, the O-Train system was built at the cost of $21 million, relatively little compared with the hundreds of millions of dollars usually required to build a new transit line. It runs on a pre-existing Canadian Pacific Railway track (Ellwood and Prescott subdivisions,[3]) so the only construction work necessary was to build the stations themselves and the passing tracks necessary to allow trains to operate in both directions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Train
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Golliwog

Quote from: MaxHeadway on October 22, 2010, 22:50:29 PM
Just one question - what sorts of frequencies are possible on those alignments in Cairns, given that it's single track?

I don't know much about the line, but headways on Brisbanes network can be about 3 minutes? (Correct me if I'm wrong) So I would assume something similar would be possible up in Cairns but then I guess it would come down to how long the single track sections are, and where you can put in a 2nd track if possible to allow for passing.
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#Metro

#30
Some references for more info:

* O-train, Ottawa, Canada,  (opened 2001)
* River Line, New Jersey, US  (opened 2004)
* SPRINTER San Diego County, US
* Nordhausen, Germany (Tram-Train, city population is just 44,127)
* Kassel, Germany (Tram-Train, city population is just 194,774)

Time to rev up Cairns' slow coaches
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/10/21/131561_local-news.html

Is our public transport up to scratch?
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/10/20/131455_local-news.html

Ottawa O-train http://www.octranspo1.com/routes/o-train b)
http://www.octranspo1.com/routes/o-train c) New Jersey River Line
http://www.njtransit.com/sf/sf_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=LightRailTo d)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Line_%28New_Jersey_Transit%29 e) SPRINTER
http://www.gonctd.com/sprinter_intro.htm f)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprinter_%28North_County_Transit_District%29

O-Train Light Rail Project
http://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/programs/cs07e_otrain.pdf

Fare dinkum, light rail is the answer
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/12/05/80185_print-version.html

Germany has a few systems, some that are dual diesel/electric, capable of running on either source of power and also on city streets and then jumping into freight rail or heavy rail corridors for seamless long distance trips through very low density areas, like a long distance train.

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/kasseltramtrains/
http://www.metrotram.it/index.php?lang=eng&num=7&ind=0 (Kaessel also has diesel/electric on some lines)
http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/braunschweig/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordhausen#cite_note-0
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#Metro


Its all in german- but you get the idea  ;)
Well worth watching.

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Interesting vid.  Shows what is possible. 
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somebody

Is the existing rail largely single track?

colinw

#34
Single track, with loops at:

Redlynch
Cairns
Portsmith Yard
White Rock*
Kamma
Gordonvale

The loop I have called "White Rock" is a QRX depot, only the mainline is owned by QR, the loop & sidings are private.

There is no loop at Edmonton.

The corridor is relatively well aligned, and looks to be plenty wide enough for double track.

#Metro

#35
There you go. Thanks to everyone for working on this one, it is a good release.

A previous CAST info paper: www.takesteps.org/cast/Dual_mode_rail.pdf
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Media release 25 October 2010

Regional Queensland: Diesel Light Rail revolution for Cairns

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport commuters has called for a world class diesel Light Rail Transit (LRT) service for Cairns (1). Cairns tourists and residents are fed up with their failing transit options.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"Diesel LRT could run from Redlynch in the North, stopping at the Cairns International Airport, Cairns Central, and then run south along the existing Bruce highway tracks to the growth suburbs of White Rock, Mount Sheridan, Bentley Park and Edmonton. Based on world examples, it could be operating within 2 years."

There are many examples of diesel LRT or hybrid diesel/electric LRT around the world. Diesel LRT cost can be extremely low and competitive with bus-only solutions: A Transport Canada report, talking about its diesel LRT O-Train in Ottawa noted:

* The capital cost for the O-Train line was just $21 million in total
* By using existing track, infrastructure costs were just $2.8 million/km ($ US)
* The O-Train uses 40% less fuel than when compared to the average amount of fuel per kilometre used for a transit bus.
* The O-Train uses low-sulphur diesel and is more fuel-efficient than buses
* 99 % reliability
* Only two years from the beginning of the project to final implementation.

"Connecting feeder buses to rail stations would give a seamless 'busway like' connection from street stops in the suburbs. Used to boost ridership in Perth and the Gold Coast there is no reason why Cairns can't do this too. With its own 'right of way', diesel LRT would fly past road congestion, traffic lights or car accidents."

"Sunbus and their drivers could operate the diesel LRT service. Buses will be needed to feed rail for maximum efficiency for all concerned."

"With inexpensive stations and frequent rail services, diesel LRT in Cairns could be started very rapidly and affordably. No need to build extensive tracks, overhead wiring, property resumption or add lanes to the Bruce Highway. The 30 million/km figure previously used to cost the LRT in Cairns is therefore a clear overestimate."

"Light Rail in Cairns would be an asset for locals, tourists, stimulate developers interested in Transit-Oriented development around the line and support the idea for a northern 'capital'."

"Why re-invent the wheel with busways in Cairns when you can just buy diesel LRT now and run it on the current tracks?"


Reference:

1. Rail in Cairns  http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4683.0

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
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unixbigot

Cairns HAD diesel light rail. 

When I lived in Stratford in the 1980s there was a stainless steel two-car diesel railmotor for commuters that ran on the Cairns-Redlynch-Kuranda line.

The conspiracy-theory at the time it was discontinued was that a cheap commuter service was detracting from the profitability of the "scenic railway" tourist train, as tourists would hop the railmotor for $5 instead of the $20 tourist train.

QR should check behind that pile of sleepers in the back shed, there should be a nice silver bullet back there somewhere.



colinw

#38
Hi "unixbigot" (great username by the way),

What you observed was the final years of the Ravenshoe & Tully services, operated by 2000 class railcars.  These were the last vestiges, discontinued in 1989, of the regional services that extended beyond the boundaries of the once well served Cairns suburban system.  That railcar up the range to Kuranda, thence Mareeba, Atherton, Herberton and Ravenhoe would have been a wonderful trip.



Something similar hung on in Townsville until the 1980s as well - a daily railcar from Townsville as far as Bowen, servicing places like Stuart, Oonoonba, Ayr, Home Hill, etc.  Go back to the 1960s and suburban trains ran in Townsville as well, the main service being to Nome.

The mid to late 1980s were not a good time for regional rail services in Queensland.  We lost Ipswich - Toogoolawah, Cairns - Ravenshoe, Cairns - Tully, Townsville - Bowen, Maryborough - Monto, and I think a couple of others.  By 1990 the only 2000 class services that were hanging on were Brisbane to Helidon, Toowoomba to Roma, and the Yeerongpilly - Corinda shuttle.

Sadly, quite a bit of what RailBOT fights for is not actually new service, so much of restoration of what once was.

Those 2000 class units have been scattered to the four winds now.  QR retains a couple, used for "inspection tours".  ARHS Rosewood have a couple, as does MVHR in Gympie, Cairns - Kuranda Steam (Savannahlander), and Zig Zag Railway in Lithgow.  I believe many have been scrapped.  I'm not sure if there are any in "rotten row" at Redbank.

Now I am not advocating a return of the 2000 class railcars in any way.  For an intensive suburban service they have a number of serious shortcomings:

- 80 km/h top speed.
- Relatively sluggish acceleration
- Narrow, manual doors
- No airconditioning

They were fine for 1960s when they were introduced, and while I love their classic appearance and the whole experience of riding one, they would not be attractive for a modern day service in somewhere like Cairns.

BUT - a modern equivalent of the 2000 class, with 100 km/h or better top seed, better acceleration, air conditioning, and suitable doors, would be just the thing for many services beyond the end of the overhead wires.

Mick_L

Time for a Cairns resident to weigh in on this, and someone who both works in the rail industry and operation 2000 class rail motors.

To save me typing up a large opinion piece on this, I will refer you to a local blog post that deals with the topic and the author of which I am quite familiar with.

http://www.notthecairnspost.com/2009/03/19/suburban-rail-proposal-off-track/

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