Network Development Plan - Metropolitan Rail

[ozbob]

Network Development Plan - Metropolitan Rail

http://ptv.vic.gov.au/news/news-promotions/network-development-plan-metropolitan-rail/

Consistent with the objectives of its formation in April this year, Public Transport Victoria (PTV) has completed a detailed examination of how Melbourne's train system needs to evolve to meet the needs of the city and of train passengers in the short, medium and long term.

PTV has presented the Minister for Public Transport with the Network Development Plan – Metropolitan Rail (the plan). The plan is intended to inform government in its process of policy formulation and PTV recognises that government will set its priorities accordingly.

The plan is designed to:

    expand the capacity of the existing network to meet the growing needs of the city;
    redesign train services to maximise opportunities for seamless coordination with buses and trams; and
    extend the network to areas currently not served by metropolitan rail.

Both the shorter overview document and complete Network Development Plan – Metropolitan Rail are available via the below links. You can also download the Metropolitan Public Transport Demand Forecast Report.

Network Development Plan – Metropolitan Rail – Overview (PDF) 4.36 MB

Network Development Plan – Metropolitan Rail – Full document (PDF) 5.92 MB

Metropolitan Public Transport Demand Forecast Report - August 2012 (PDF) 15.09 MB

[ozbob]

[colinw]

<snort of derision>

Melbourne's own version of Conning South East QLD 2031.

I do not believe in any of this fancy network transformation nonsense.  Just as Connecting QLD 2031 was not going to happen, and MetroNet in WA is was not going to happen, this is unfunded pie-in-the-sky aspirational stuff designed to make someone look good.

Chances of it getting funded: zero

[somebody]

<snort of derision>

Melbourne's own version of Conning South East QLD 2031.

I do not believe in any of this fancy network transformation nonsense.  Just as Connecting QLD 2031 was not going to happen, and MetroNet in WA is was not going to happen, this is unfunded pie-in-the-sky aspirational stuff designed to make someone look good.

Chances of it getting funded: zero

It's different.  Some of it might happen without a change in govt.  Not one word of Conning SEQ 2031 was actually implemented IIRC, well except Urbanlink to Darra which was happening anyway.  Ferny Grove was partly implemented after a govt change.

I think they're a bunch of tools for suggesting Melbourne Metro stage 1 - that seems to be just about sending the Frankston line around the loop rather than Richmond - Flinders St - SCS - Nth Mel.  I don't see any problem with the present infrastructure except the insistence that some of the Frankston line trains inappropriately use the loop.

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Major rail projects expected in 20 years

[ozbob]

http://images.theage.com.au/2012/12/01/3857447/art729-south-station--620x349.jpg

  I wonder if they used the same ' graphic artist ' that did that great work of fiction, Connecting SEQ 2031 ....

[ozbob]

THE PLAN

Stage 1: The next five years

    Regional Rail Link
    Seven new trains
    Hurstbridge line upgrade
    Eltham stabling
    33 new high capacity trains, able to carry up to 1100 passengers
    40 new V/Locity carriages
    Williams Landing Station
    Grovedale Station
    Southland Station
    High capacity signalling trial on Sandringham line.

Some projects already started

Stage 2: Within 10 years

    Melbourne Metro rail tunnel project
    Melton rail line duplication
    Dandenong rail corridor upgrade
    33 high capacity trains, order and deliver a further 70 trains
    High capacity signalling on the Sandringham, South Morang and Hurstbridge lines, and between Sunbury and South Yarra.

Stage 3: Within 15 years

    Melbourne Airport rail line
    Rowville rail line
    South Morang services diverted to rail tunnel between Clifton Hill and Southern Cross
    Doncaster rail line
    Melton line electrification
    More high-capacity trains
    Extend high-capacity signalling
    Second Dandenong rail corridor upgrade

Stage 4: Within 20 years

    More high-capacity trains
    City Loop reconfigured for seven separate lines through the Melbourne CBD
    Quadruple the line capacity between Burnley and Camberwell
    Altona Junction to Seaholme duplication
    Geelong and Wallan electrified lines
    Extend South Morang to Mernda
    Mooroolbark to Lilydale duplicated lines
    Extend Werribee to Wyndham Vale
    Extend South Morang line from Southern Cross to Fisherman's Bend with a tunnel


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/major-rail-projects-expected-in-20-years-20130327-2gt8r.html#ixzz2Ohtx2LS6

[ozbob]

Gee, we should flog off the EMUs to Melbourne, put them on 5'3" bogies they can squeeze in 1100 pax at a tight fit ...

[SurfRail]

V/Line services from Geelong to South Yarra and not putting a Melbourne Metro tunnel station there are equally concerning moves I think.

[somebody]

V/Line services from Geelong to South Yarra and not putting a Melbourne Metro tunnel station there are equally concerning moves I think.

Geelong trains will run to Sth Yarra?  I wouldn't have thought the RRL would allow that.

[ozbob]

PTUA  http://www.ptua.org.au/2013/03/27/ptv-rail-plan/

Plan will sit on shelf unless priorities change, says PTUA

March 27th, 2013 (Media releases, Melbourne metro)

Welcome news on high capacity signalling, but must be fast-tracked

Public Transport Victoria's new Rail Network Development Plan risks joining previous attempts and gathering dust on a shelf, due to its reliance on expensive, unfunded and premature tunnels, the Public Transport Users Association said today.

"This plan has all the right individual elements in it," said PTUA President Tony Morton. "The fatal flaw is that they're all out of sequence. It takes the element with the highest cost and the least benefit – the Melbourne Metro tunnel – and puts it at the top of the list before virtually anything else is allowed to be done. With this one gesture, PTV and the government have doomed this plan to failure before it even gets off the ground."

The plan divides its proposed initiatives into four sequential stages. Many Stage 1 initiatives are existing commitments. The Metro tunnel heads up Stage 2. Long-awaited rail extensions to Rowville, Doncaster, Melbourne Airport and Mernda are postponed to Stages 3 and 4, with a 15 to 20 year timeline.

"The people of the suburbs aren't interested in a 20 year wish list," Dr Morton said. "What they want and need is an achievable plan that allows network extensions to proceed as quickly and as cost-effectively as possible."

Dr Morton pointed to the capacity-building potential of other elements in the plan – such as high-capacity signalling, track duplication and new high-capacity trains – many of which have been postponed to later stages after the Metro tunnel. "High-capacity signalling should actually be the number one priority," he said. "Dozens of other cities already have it installed. If we did it here it could boost the capacity of every train line by at least 50 per cent. And it's not even that costly: the entire Metro network should be doable for around one-fifth the cost of the Metro tunnel. Then you have a capacity fix for all lines, not just Sunbury and Dandenong."

For the Metro plan to succeed, Dr Morton said, it was primarily a matter of rearranging its priorities. "First thing is to get a trial of high-capacity signalling in the May budget. Then it needs to be rolled out on the network as soon as practicable – not just on Sandringham and Clifton Hill as planned, but also on Dandenong and the inner core. Keep rolling out grade separations at the same time. That gets rid of the obstacles to proceeding with extensions to Doncaster, Rowville and the airport: and within a five-year timeframe, not in our grandchildren's time."

Dr Morton said many of the other small near-term measures in the plan – such as expansion of 10-minute frequencies every day onto more lines – would bring huge benefits to passengers at relatively little cost, and ought to be funded as a priority by the government.

He also said that while PTUA had criticisms, PTV's openness in sharing its planning framework with the public should be encouraged. "It's actually quite a breakthrough that thanks to the establishment of PTV we now have these plans out in the open," said Dr Morton. "So everyone can see what the planners are thinking and we can have a public conversation about it. But PTV also has to be prepared to let the community guide their thinking, and not just foist a costly capital-works agenda on the people of Victoria."

[SurfRail]

V/Line services from Geelong to South Yarra and not putting a Melbourne Metro tunnel station there are equally concerning moves I think.

Geelong trains will run to Sth Yarra?  I wouldn't have thought the RRL would allow that.

Have a look at the Stage 4 plans.  Corridor from Geelong terminating at South Yarra. 

Strictly speaking there is nothing which prevents that from happening as long as they are happy to hook platforms 15 and 16 into the viaduct and share tracks with the other throughrouted trains.

I think the idea is a bit daft TBH.  Just get them to transfer to counterpeak trains which should have enough room for those who need to make the trip.

Not as stupid as failing to build a stop at South Yarra for the Dandy trains.  You'll have to change to a packed all stations at Caulfield or change at Flinders St and do a big pointless loop via Richmond.

[ozbob]

Herald Sun --> Victorian Government releases $30 billion train network plan

[Jonas Jade]

V/Line services from Geelong to South Yarra and not putting a Melbourne Metro tunnel station there are equally concerning moves I think.

Geelong trains will run to Sth Yarra?  I wouldn't have thought the RRL would allow that.

Have a look at the Stage 4 plans.  Corridor from Geelong terminating at South Yarra. 

Strictly speaking there is nothing which prevents that from happening as long as they are happy to hook platforms 15 and 16 into the viaduct and share tracks with the other throughrouted trains.

I think the idea is a bit daft TBH.  Just get them to transfer to counterpeak trains which should have enough room for those who need to make the trip.

Stage 4 includes Geelong electrification (and inclusion into the Metro network). See page 118 of the full report.

South Yarra is a bit weird but if they're depending on Metro Rail to go ahead then they'll have "spare" tracks through to SY - the former Dandenong lines so maybe it removes congestion from Flinders St?

EDIT to add: The plan is to use the "spare" platforms at South Yarra to provide a turnback for the Geelong trains, and a separate track for the Vlines to Traralgon. Still funny though since they are needing to share tracks to do so which is against the apparent ideology of the report.  :conf


I hate that there's no stop for South Yarra, completely defies their "Metro" ideological rhetoric IMO.

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Airport link 15 years off in $30b public transport plan

[ozbob]

http://www.danielbowen.com/2013/03/28/ptv-rail-plan/

[ozbob]

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TV coverage of yesterday's #PTV rail plan: Ch9 http://video.news.ninemsn.com.au/video/?videoid=e9698ffc-75b3-486b-9dc0-e3de39de96e2&src=v5%3Apause%3Atwitter%3Auuids&from=sharepermalink-twitter#.UVOcDeTmL-k.email ...

ABC http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-27/public-transport-patronage-to-hit-a-billion-by-2031/4596922?&section=news ...

Ch7 http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/vic/watch/686a4927-0253-33f9-9551-7b79772028a3/30b-rail-plan-for-melbourne/ ... #SpringSt

[somebody]

There must be another way!

Less stupid and more engaged voters.  I think that's the only answer.

[ozbob]

Crikey (Alan Davies) --> What's the long-term rail plan for Melbourne?