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Started by ozbob, March 22, 2013, 14:39:02 PM

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Mr X

They're removing some of the 4xx services which feed rail at Darra and Oxley!!!
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HappyTrainGuy

Quote from: Mr X on April 22, 2013, 13:54:31 PM
Keeping the 314 says it all. WTF.

Hornibrook operate the 311-314 'Wiz' routes. They have to keep those routes as the proposed changes can't pay off without the bcc changes. So they have to continue with the waste or try to work out a compromise.

I laughed at the 328 removal. All they have done is reverted to the 325/335/339 routes prior to the northern busway mods of the 335.

This also has complications with the railways too as they now have to cater to everyone along the line rather than having a proper established pt network were buses and trains work together. Thanks BCC!

Gazza

BCC, your review is bad, and you should feel bad.

The Good points.

-109 and 66 to be combined into one route.
-590 extended to Toombul, with 369 truncated back to Toombul.
-P88 Cut, but stupidly there would be a new P163 between 8MP and the city.
-Maroon Glider to stop at Bardon Shops
-199 Via Ivory St Tunnel full time.

Bad points.

-All the good changes are off the table.

ozbob

Any mention of City Stop changes?
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nathandavid88

The 198 is being turned into a "50 minute frequency". What the hell is that? Who comes up with a 50 minute frequency?  :fp:

minbrisbane

It's pretty pathetic.  Even 161 is surviving!

nathandavid88

And Bulimba is overlooked as per usual...

colinw

The page about the cancellation of the P88 is a classic -> click here

QuoteProposal   Route removal
This route would no longer operate, but would be replaced by a new peak rocket P163 operating from Eight Mile Plains to Roma Street. The new service would operate every 10 minutes between 6:20am and 8:20am inbound and between 3:40pm and 5:40pm outbound.

...

QuoteImpacts and alternatives   Passengers travelling between Indooroopilly and the CBD would have a number of service options including the high-frequency 444 (Moggill to City BUZ). Passengers travelling between Eight Mile Plains and the CBD in the off-peak or weekends would have numerous options including the 111 (Eight Mile Plains to Roma Street BUZ service). Passengers travelling between Indooroopilly and Eight Mile Plains during the off-peak or weekends would need to transfer in the CBD.

What's missing?  Even though the proposed replacement P163 service terminates at ROMA ST, there is no discussion, in Alternatives, that this facilitates an easy transfer to quarter hourly or better rail services to Indooroopilly.

BCC's silo mentality continues unabated. There is no TransLink, there is no regional public transport system, and that nasty old railway doesn't exist at all!

I fail to see what the point of the P163 is anyway. It doesn't do anything the 111 doesn't already do. Why add yet another route code for the core busway just to confuse the punters.

I despair for SEQ.

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22nd April 2013

Re: Will BCC's bus review actually achieve anything significant?

Greetings,

The BCC Bus review is now available  http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/buses/bus-network-review/index.htm

The review has already been widely condemned by many as not addressing the real problems with the network ( http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9754.msg124711#msg124711) as detailed below.  More bus CBD congestion, poor connections and frequency and high cost fares for SEQ.

BCC still sees itself as an isolated  bus operator locked in a 1996 direct service model ...

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Quote from: ozbob on April 14, 2013, 03:13:13 AM
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14th April 2013

Will BCC's bus review actually achieve anything significant?

Greetings,

A week or so out from the community feedback phase of the BCC bus review --> http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/buses/

Will be interesting to see if BCC is going to stand up and recognise the fact that they are meant to be part of an integrated public transport network, or are they going to continue along the lines of the present  failing high cost direct service bus model that collapsed with long bus delays again last week. (See --> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=2695.msg123882#msg123882 )

The Minister and his staff are keen to put the slipper into rail, but reward bus failure with political favour.   Hardly balanced is it?

Worth noting again ..

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In recent years bus operating expenditure has grown rapidly, from $475 million in 2009/10 to $580 million in 2011/12. Service priorities have typically built on top of existing networks with new routes added and frequencies increased, rather than addressing any historic network inefficiencies associated with the way services have been planned in the past. This is typified by the South East Busway, where a high number of parallel bus routes operate on the busway from Mt Gravatt to the Brisbane CBD while many other on-road routes also operate in parallel corridors and/or following indirect routes. In summary the operating costs have increased in Brisbane by 35.5% with 2.9% more passengers and in the whole of SEQ by 22.1% with 1.6% more passengers.

These cost increases are partially proportional to service increases, with total in-service kms up 17% in Brisbane and 9% in the rest of SEQ. The remaining cost increase is attributable to the increasing cost of providing the same services i.e. with no increase in input resources.
This results from price rises (for example in fuel and labour costs), step costs (of depots and fleet maintenance) and also the cost of traffic congestion, whereby the same service costs more to provide due to slower average speeds.

This review is about efficiency of resource allocation but also fundamentally about effectiveness of investment i.e. attracting more passengers with the same resources.


http://translink.com.au/resources/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review/seq-network-review-part1-introduction.pdf

Infrastructure constraints

Inner city capacity issues are emerging in Brisbane as more and more buses try to access the CBD. While new infrastructure will be required eventually, there is a need to make the most of existing infrastructure.
Under the 'business as usual' scenario, the number of buses entering the CBD in the AM peak hour could increase from about 600 (2011) to over 1070 in 2021. Adelaide Street currently carries about 220 buses per hour in the peak and is a significant constraint resulting in delays. To assume Adelaide Street could handle almost double the number of buses as currently operating is not sustainable.


http://translink.com.au/resources/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review/seq-network-review-part1-introduction.pdf

Capacity Utilisation

Capacity Utilisation measures the average load compared to the number of seats provided in the bus
network. Essentially, it is a measure of how full the buses are. The bus network capacity in SEQ is well
utilised during the peak periods on weekdays, but less so in the off-peak periods and weekends.
Currently, 50.3 % of bus services have an average load less than 7 passengers (where average load is
measured over the entire length of the route). 83.8 % of bus services have an average load less than 14
passengers. Given issues related to costs of vehicles and congestion along key corridors, the review aims
to increase capacity utilisation, particularly along key corridors and between key centres.


http://translink.com.au/resources/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review/seq-network-review-part2-current-network.pdf

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Public transport in SEQ is a basket case.  Who is actually in charge?

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SurfRail

Pretty pissant job frankly.

Waterworks Rd appears to be getting less frequent service than it would if the TransLink changes were implemented.
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OzGamer

Long time lurker - drawn to post by the proceedings.

I am absolutely flabbergasted that they managed to somehow make the system more complex!

All of the alterations in my part of town were to cut services feeding rail stations. Un-be-lievable.

I am a 44 year old man and I literally feel like crying this is such a stupid, wasteful disappointment.

So I looked at the feedback form and it specifically prevents you from making comments that relate to more than one route and only those that are affected directly by the review. No suggestions, no general comments on the changes, no genuine feedback at all. I suppose it goes to show the mentality they have and what they seem to think we, the public, are capable of.

Graham Quirk now cements his position as worst Brisbane mayor of my lifetime.

What is to be done?

ozbob

Welcome OzGamer.  Thanks for your comments.

Not a good outcome.  We will put together a submission of sorts, but that will take time.  Give direct feedback and write letters/emails.

Yes, this is rather farcical the whole deal really.  Political leadership is weak, BCC is in a transport time warp, and the media thinks it is all AOK ..

Oh dear ...
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somebody

Quote from: ozbob on April 22, 2013, 14:15:42 PM
Any mention of City Stop changes?
119 & 179 are to revert to QSBS, where they were a few years ago.  So something at least.

somebody

Quote from: colinw on April 22, 2013, 14:39:43 PM
The page about the cancellation of the P88 is a classic -> click here

QuoteProposal   Route removal
This route would no longer operate, but would be replaced by a new peak rocket P163 operating from Eight Mile Plains to Roma Street. The new service would operate every 10 minutes between 6:20am and 8:20am inbound and between 3:40pm and 5:40pm outbound.

...

QuoteImpacts and alternatives   Passengers travelling between Indooroopilly and the CBD would have a number of service options including the high-frequency 444 (Moggill to City BUZ). Passengers travelling between Eight Mile Plains and the CBD in the off-peak or weekends would have numerous options including the 111 (Eight Mile Plains to Roma Street BUZ service). Passengers travelling between Indooroopilly and Eight Mile Plains during the off-peak or weekends would need to transfer in the CBD.

What's missing?  Even though the proposed replacement P163 service terminates at ROMA ST, there is no discussion, in Alternatives, that this facilitates an easy transfer to quarter hourly or better rail services to Indooroopilly.

BCC's silo mentality continues unabated. There is no TransLink, there is no regional public transport system, and that nasty old railway doesn't exist at all!

I fail to see what the point of the P163 is anyway. It doesn't do anything the 111 doesn't already do. Why add yet another route code for the core busway just to confuse the punters.

I despair for SEQ.
I actually think that one is pretty good.  111 doesn't go via Captain Cook Bridge, so adding 111s would add to congestion at the Cultural Centre.

But no treatment of the problem which I presume caused the 88 to be created in the first place: overloading on the 444 & 111 services!  Perhaps that problem doesn't really exist any more due to the high fares.

ozbob

Media release 22nd April 2012



SEQ: BCC bus review misses the bus!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the BCC Bus Review is a major failure and an embarrassment for public transport in Queensland (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The BCC bus review does nothing to address the the real problems with the public transport in Brisbane and indirectly in SEQ."

"BCC apparently still see themselves as an isolated operator back in the post tram era circa 1970 ..."

"We call on the Minister for Transport to scrap the BCC review and revert back to the original TransLink Bus Review which would have properly positioned public transport in SEQ for the future."

"The online feedback process is very clumsy and is a waste of time."

References:

1. http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/buses/bus-network-review/index.htm

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nathandavid88

Quote from: Simon on April 22, 2013, 15:28:20 PM
Quote from: ozbob on April 22, 2013, 14:15:42 PM
Any mention of City Stop changes?
119 & 179 are to revert to QSBS, where they were a few years ago.  So something at least.

P374 is being cut, as is the P356 & P436 (a bus route with 2 services per day (P356) or less (P436)...how are they still alive?) and the P461. I guess we can add them to the list of common sense decisions – probably made by chance judging by the rest of it!

ozbob

612 ABC Brisbane, Drive host Tim Cox  conducted a short interview on the bus review.  Thanks for the interest.

Listeners pointing out a lot wrong with other routes as well ... 

This is going rather pear shaped, and is a political failure of the highest order ... 

Mr Emerson and Mr Minnikin have been in Ayr for the Community Cabinet up there today ..  just a coincidence?  LOL

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Gazza

#137

If the 111 and 160 could share loads evenly you wouldn't need as many of either, thus less Cultural Center congestion, thus no P163.

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I actually think that one is pretty good.  111 doesn't go via Captain Cook Bridge, so adding 111s would add to congestion at the Cultural Centre.

But no treatment of the problem which I presume caused the 88 to be created in the first place: overloading on the 444 & 111 services!  Perhaps that problem doesn't really exist any more due to the high fares.
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Derwan

Quote from: Gazza on April 22, 2013, 14:02:33 PM
The Good points.

-109 and 66 to be combined into one route.

Not good for me and hundreds in the building in Woolloongabba that I work in. 66 is the only bus with a decent frequency between Roma St and Woolloongabba.  Without it we'll have to rely on the Maroon Glider and the 340, neither of which has anywhere near the frequency of the 66.  Combined with the dismal frequency of the Shorncliffe Line, I run the risk of missing "connections".

There's actually free all-day parking about a block from our building. Perhaps I might consider driving in.  At least I won't have to worry about long waits at bus/train stations.
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nathandavid88

Quote from: Derwan on April 22, 2013, 16:19:24 PM
Quote from: Gazza on April 22, 2013, 14:02:33 PM
The Good points.

-109 and 66 to be combined into one route.

Not good for me and hundreds in the building in Woolloongabba that I work in. 66 is the only bus with a decent frequency between Roma St and Woolloongabba.  Without it we'll have to rely on the Maroon Glider and the 340, neither of which has anywhere near the frequency of the 66.  Combined with the dismal frequency of the Shorncliffe Line, I run the risk of missing "connections".

There's actually free all-day parking about a block from our building. Perhaps I might consider driving in.  At least I won't have to worry about long waits at bus/train stations.

Wait, you're losing the 66's 5 minute peak services, but still have both the Maroon Glider and 340, which are 10 minute peak frequency and together make essentially a 5 minute frequency anyway (Glider comes in at multiples of 10 past the hour, the 340 at multiples of 4 past the hour). Surely they could make up for the loss of the 66?

HappyTrainGuy

Quote from: ozbob on April 22, 2013, 15:31:52 PM
Media release 22nd April 2012



SEQ: BCC bus review misses the bus!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the BCC Bus Review is a major failure and an embarrassment for public transport in Queensland (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The BCC bus review does nothing to address the the real problems with the public transport in Brisbane and indirectly in SEQ."

"BCC apparently still see themselves as an isolated operator back in the post tram era circa 1970 ..."

"We call on the Minister for Transport to scrap the BCC review and revert back to the original TransLink Bus Review which would have properly positioned public transport in SEQ for the future."

"The online feedback process is very clumsy and is a waste of time."

References:

1. http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/buses/bus-network-review/index.htm

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Robert Dow
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Yep, they sure did miss the last 314 bus on a friday. Now they got to wait till mondays bus.

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Cr Milton Dick was just interviewed on 612 ABC Brisbane.  Complaining bitterly about the BCC Bus Review ...   :o

Savage bus cuts to the south west.  Did he really expect anything else.  Reckons LM Quirk is the 19th State Cabinet Minister.

I did try to warn them ... 
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Gazza

Quote from: Derwan on April 22, 2013, 16:19:24 PM
Quote from: Gazza on April 22, 2013, 14:02:33 PM
The Good points.

-109 and 66 to be combined into one route.

Not good for me and hundreds in the building in Woolloongabba that I work in. 66 is the only bus with a decent frequency between Roma St and Woolloongabba.  Without it we'll have to rely on the Maroon Glider and the 340, neither of which has anywhere near the frequency of the 66.  Combined with the dismal frequency of the Shorncliffe Line, I run the risk of missing "connections".

There's actually free all-day parking about a block from our building. Perhaps I might consider driving in.  At least I won't have to worry about long waits at bus/train stations.
Sorry but this is a bit of a crybaby response. Wooloongabba has seen frequency increases in the past year, to the point that it may be oversupply, and shifting the 66 to to to UQ is really just restoring the natural balance.

Just use the darn Glider and 340! Still a higher frequency than the Shorncliffe line, so no chance of missed connections.

Derwan

Quote from: nathandavid88 on April 22, 2013, 16:39:31 PM
Wait, you're losing the 66's 5 minute peak services, but still have both the Maroon Glider and 340, which are 10 minute peak frequency and together make essentially a 5 minute frequency anyway (Glider comes in at multiples of 10 past the hour, the 340 at multiples of 4 past the hour). Surely they could make up for the loss of the 66?

I hope so. We've only been in the new building for a few weeks. It seems that the majority of times the first bus that arrives is a 66 - in both directions.  I've caught the 340 and Maroon Glider a few times in comparison.  That's not to say there wan't one of these just 30 seconds behind every 66 that I've caught!

The original TransLink plan was to turn the Maroon Glider into a high frequency route.  I assumed that meant increasing the frequency.  The BCC's plan is to divert the 66 without increasing the frequency of the Maroon Glider.
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Gazza

QuoteThe original TransLink plan was to turn the Maroon Glider into a high frequency route.
Actually, the translink plan was to retain the Maroon Glider as a high frequency route because it is one, it already runs every 10 mins in peak/15 mins offpeak (It's just a BUZ  in a special colour scheme really really, with the bonus of 24h operation on weekends)

Point is, prior to the opening of the northern busway a few months ago, all you had was the 66.

Now, you have the 66, 340, and Glider, and reckon that you need all 3 still?  :o

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@ Derwen:
You've also got the 184/185/210/212/230/235/174/175 etc. at Woolloongabba through there, and I've never waited more than a few mins, even before the 66, glider and 340 serviced it.
plus the 111/222/333/330/345 etc. are at the Cultural Centre to get to Roma St.

Lots of choice :D
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Email News

Released today, Council's review of the city's bus network ensures more than two thirds of passengers will remain unaffected by the proposed changes.

In taking on this review at the request of the State Government, Council has identified the most common sense proposals, which we believe will help deliver an improved and more efficient bus network.

We have conducted the review based off our own detailed knowledge of the network, and this is why we are retaining our most popular services, such as our 18 BUZ and two CityGlider routes, which carry 43 per cent of passengers.

We have used this review as an opportunity to look at the evolution of existing services, and while there are nine proposed route removals, these routes account for just 1.75 per cent of passengers across the total network and these areas will not be left completely without a service.

While we understand that any removal will be an inconvenience to some, a few of the route removals proposed involve services where buses are often empty, and in some cases the routes only operate once or twice per day.

Ultimately the big win for the community is that we have ensured the majority of the travelling public will remain unaffected and that we are leaving no area completely without a service.

Council's bus network review is now open for public consultation.

You can view the proposed changes and have your say online at Council's website or in person at any Council regional business centre or library.

Residents have until Monday 20 May 2013 to submit their feedback.

Council will consider all community responses before submitting the review to the State Government on 1 June.

Graham Quirk
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City Wide Snapshot
Brisbane City Council's bus network review has assessed 235 routes, identifying:

146 routes with no changes, 9 route removals and 80 service changes including:

    46 timetable changes, 34 route changes, 3 route amalgamations

The 9 route removals includes:

    P88 Eight Mile Plains to Indooroopilly via City pre-paid fare express: The P88 duplicates the high frequency BUZ or busway services between Eight Mile Plains, Indooroopilly and the CBD, which have existing capacity. This route would partly be replaced by a new rocket P163 operating from Eight Mile Plains to Roma Street during peak hours.
     
    328 Boondall to Carseldine local: This service has extremely low patronage with an average of less than two passengers per trip.
     
    P356 McDowall to City: This service only consists of one inbound and outbound trip per weekday, has relatively low patronage for a rocket service and alternative service options exist.
     
    P374 Paddington to City: The Maroon CityGlider now services this route, and as such the duplication is proposed for removal.
     
    P436 City to Brookfield: It is proposed that this one outbound trip no longer operate as the service only averages around 13 passengers per trip and alternative service options exist.
     
    P461 Forest Lake to City: This peak hour service has low patronage for a rocket service and is a duplication of existing services, which can adequately meet demand.
     
    462 Darra Station to Heathwood: On average this service carries between 1 and 3 passengers per off peak trip. The routes in the area have been proposed to be redesigned to ensure access to services is maintained.
     
    465 Richlands Station to Heathwood: Passengers currently using this service would be able to use the revised route 460 which would service Richlands Station, Forest Lake and Heathwood. The routes in the area have been proposed to be redesigned to ensure access to services is maintained.
     
    466 Richlands Station to Willawong: This service carries an average of four passengers per trip. The routes in the area have been proposed to be redesigned to ensure access to services is maintained.

80 of 235 routes have proposed timetable and/or route changes, with some offering service improvements:

    An additional stop on the Maroon CityGlider along Macgregor Terrace to service the Bardon shops.
     
    Servicing the previously un-serviced areas of Doolandella on the 101, areas of Calamvale on the 138 and Drewvale on the 153.
     
    Improved access for Kangaroo Point on new 234 services, which is a route change to the 475.  This route change will also provide a more reliable service to Rainworth residents.
     
    Improved access for St Lucia residents with the 414 service now travelling down Carmody Road, as opposed to Sir Fred Schonell Drive.
     
    Later weeknight evening services for Brookfield passengers travelling from Indooroopilly on the 435.
     
    Re-routing the 199 service through the Ivory Street tunnel, to improve travel times.
     
    Improving accessibility for residents travelling to Taigum Shopping Centre, with the 335 to go via the shopping centre.
     
    Adding a stop on the 384 at Red Hill to provide passengers with additional city travel options in peak hours.
     
    Adding an additional evening service on the 451 departing Darra Station from Monday to Friday.
     
    Improved access and frequency on services for Forest Lake and Heathwood residents to Mt Ommaney, Indooroopilly and the CBD on the 460, to meet the significant growth of this area.
     
    The inclusion of new stops in College Avenue, Forest Lake on the 118 to provide a fast peak period service to Garden City and the CBD.
     
    Re-routing the 310 service through the Airport Link, to improve travel times.
     
    The extension of the P341 to service Fitzgibbon and Roghan Roads, which would provide direct access in to Chermside, the Royal Brisbane Hospital and the CBD for the first time.
     
    Improving the service to College Green (Estate) on Northumbria Road on selected trips of the 325.
     
    Better access to the Royal Brisbane Hospital on the 363 by altering the route via Butterfield Street.

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New 234? Where will this bus route travel and terminate?

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True to form, Mr Emerson is playing the politics.  The Translink changes were unpopular with LNP aldermen on the BCC.  They could hardly criticise their own side of politics for the proposed Translink changes.  What does the Minister do?  He hands the problem to Lord Mayor Quirk, who makes changes that the LNP aldermen can criticise.  State Government gets out of the situation where it is being criticised by its own (council) members.  The result?  A less than satisfactory outcome.  Once again, politics at play in public transport operations.

ozbob

The ' BCC Bus Review ' is hardly a review, basically a set of minor adjustments, with a few minor route changes.

The problems of excessive operational expense, transport of air, inner City capacity issues, City stop location issues, duplication, poor frequency of most routes, and lack of legibility are not addressed.

All in all, one big joke I am afraid ...

There is little hope now for a coherent public transport network for the majority. 
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Quote from: SurfRail on April 22, 2013, 14:47:38 PM
Pretty pissant job frankly.

Waterworks Rd appears to be getting less frequent service than it would if the TransLink changes were implemented.

" the majority of the travelling public will remain unaffected"

Great. Rather than a highly legible frequent Waterworks service instead the 379 (Very High Utilisation), 380 (Very High), 381 (Moderate) buses are being made worse reducing them to hourly services for most of the day and all weekend plus:

- no turning the 350 into a frequent service down Stewart Rd/Waterworks to help support the Red Hill density...and it will now be halved to become an hourly service on the weekends.
- no super stop sharing with the 350 to even out load
- no re-routing via KGS/Roma busway to save getting jammed on the city streets in outbound peak
- no western connector, outer loop etc to provide better lateral north/south travel.

This is through one of the densest parts of Brisbane.

Is this what "unaffected" feels like ? ...he mustn't have liked the email I sent him...I thought I kept it civil :)

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#155
Quote from: ozbob on April 22, 2013, 19:03:46 PM
The ' BCC Bus Review ' is hardly a review, basically a set of minor adjustments, with a few minor route changes.

The problems of excessive operational expense, transport of air, inner City capacity issues, City stop location issues, duplication, poor frequency of most routes, and lack of legibility are not addressed.

All in all, one big joke I am afraid ...

There is little hope now for a coherent public transport network for the majority.

The 335, 350 modifications easily sums that up.

QuoteRoute 335 - route change
Route description: 335 (Sandgate via Kirby Rd Taigum to City cityXpress)
Proposal Route change: The service would deviate into Taigum shopping centre in the inbound direction.
Rationale: This proposal would restore the more customer friendly arrangement for passengers with shopping and those with mobility issues especially the elderly, which existed prior to 2012.

Route 350 - timetable change
Route description: 350 (Bridgeman Downs to City cityxpress)
Proposal Timetable change: The Friday Night Only additional trips would no longer operate. Also, this service is proposed to operate hourly on Saturdays and Sundays.
Rationale   This proposal: would meet passenger demand for the service.

In summary it moved a bus stop and eliminated the friday late night services. Massive review I must say  :fp:

On the positive side I like what they have done with the 341 extension but I'd like to see it extended to the Taigum interchange although the Translink Network review had far better outcome for that local area.

The 310..... I hate to say it but it does duplicate the train line. The Airport Link detour is just a gimic to get people onto it as an "express" to the city service. Eagle Junction as a terminus might have been a good idea. Also throws a spanner in the 315 corridor with its frequency reduction (30 min vs 15 min 310+315 combo).

EDIT: Actually doesn't the 310 or the 315 already run express through Albion etc?

kazzac

Quote from: nathandavid88 on April 22, 2013, 14:39:01 PM
And Bulimba is overlooked as per usual...
I don't see 227,230,232 or 235 on that list,so those routes will be left as they are now?! :frs: :pr
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Golliwog

So this is the first review of bus service since the opening of the Ferny Grove duplication and the increased off-peak services. What do people trying to catch a bus to/from the Ferny Grove line have to look forward to:

362: No changes
367: Cuts
QuoteTimetable change
This service is proposed to operate hourly during off peak periods.

Services to the Great Western Super Centre are proposed to depart hourly between 9:05am and 3:05pm (including a new service at 11:05am).

The last inbound service at 6:52pm and the last outbound service at 7:08pm are proposed to be removed.
So much for feeding the off-peak trains  :frs:
The 'new' service they mention fills the current hole in the timetable, which runs the loop to the Great Western every half hour between 9am and 3pm except for there's no service between 10:30am and 12:30pm.
396: Cuts
QuoteTimetable change
It is proposed to reduce the span of hours and commence the first inbound service at 5.49am, due to very low passenger numbers.
397: Cuts
QuoteTimetable change
It is proposed to reduce the span of hours due to low passenger numbers. The last outbound service on weekdays would depart at about 7:00pm. The weekend operating hours would be reduced so that the inbound services commenced at about 8:30am, and the last outbound services would depart at about 4:00pm.
398: Cuts
QuoteTimetable change
It is proposed to reduce the span of hours due to low passenger numbers. The last outbound service on weekdays would depart at about 4:00pm. The weekend operating hours would be reduced so that the inbound services commenced at about 10:00am and the last outbound services departed at 4:30pm.

I'd be annoyed by no service changes, but cutting back services here is just f@cking stupid!
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david

Quote from: ozbob on April 22, 2013, 18:32:48 PM
     
    Adding an additional evening service on the 451 departing Darra Station from Monday to Friday.


This is insulting to the residents of the Centenary Suburbs. To go from two high-frequency services and a beneficial re-design of the network in the area by TransLink, to one simple addition to one timetable by BCC is pitiful.
I hope all those who complained about the TransLink review got what they wanted.

kazzac

Bulimba /Balmoral would have been better off with Translink's proposal of new routes to these areas.now we will be stuck with poor frequency at nights/weekends.I feel sorry for any one in this area whom doesn't own a car or isn't close to Citycat terminal or train station :thsdo
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