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Article: Commuters rail against tunnel vision
« on: February 26, 2013, 03:31:02 AM »
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Commuters rail against tunnel vision

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Commuters rail against tunnel vision
February 26, 2013 Adam Carey

BUILDING extra lines and tracks in the outer suburbs and modernising slow signalling systems would do far more to ease rail congestion in Melbourne than a new tunnel under the city, the state's public transport lobby group says.

In its submission ahead of the state budget, the Public Transport Users Association says the Baillieu government should put aside its top public transport project, the proposed Melbourne Metro tunnel, in favour of plugging the many gaps in the existing network.

This includes duplicating nine sections of single track, building extensions to Doncaster, Rowville and Mernda and introducing high-speed signalling to enable trains to run closer together.

The association's president, Tony Morton, said these steps would do more to bolster Melbourne's rail network than the multibillion-dollar tunnel, and could be achieved sooner.
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''Several suburban railway lines and commuter belt regional lines still include sections of single track that limit capacity and cause delays to reverberate across the network when disruptions occur,'' Dr Morton said. ''These could be duplicated much sooner and at lower cost than the government's current high-cost infrastructure wish-list.''

The nine-kilometre Melbourne Metro tunnel would run beneath the city from Kensington to South Yarra, linking the Sydenham and Dandenong lines.

It is the top-priority rail project of both the state government and Public Transport Victoria, which argue it is essential to be able to run more trains and reduce crowding. Infrastructure Australia, which advises the federal government on funding major projects, has also given the proposal high priority, ranking it as ''ready to proceed''.

But Dr Morton said that while the project would help commuters in the west, it would do nothing for those travelling on the congested lines that service the south-eastern suburbs because the Dandenong line's ageing signalling could not let through more than one train every three minutes.

''If we had a tunnel plug in at South Yarra, it's not actually going to add any useful capacity to those south-eastern lines, because the main capacity constraints on those lines are

actually further out,'' he said. ''If you look at the Dandenong line, the thing that's stopping you running more trains is the limited capacity of the signalling between Caulfield and Oakleigh.''

Public Transport Minister Terry Mulder conceded the Dandenong corridor needed new high-speed signalling for the Melbourne Metro project to succeed, but he said the line's many level crossings also inhibited the number of trains that could run each hour.

''Melbourne Metro will untangle inner suburban train lines,'' Mr Mulder said. ''It will reduce the pressure on the St Kilda Road tram lines, the busiest tram tracks in the world.''

The tunnel would also ease pressure on the City Loop, which ''is at or near capacity during weekday peak periods''.

''Train operations through Melbourne's CBD are currently restricted,'' Mr Mulder said. ''Four of the six viaduct tracks between Flinders Street and Southern Cross [stations] have sharp curves and very low speed limits. This restricts train throughput and is part of the reason that we need the Melbourne Metro.''

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Re: Article: Commuters rail against tunnel vision
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 04:57:35 AM »
IA says the Melbourne Metrol Tunnel is a project that's 'ready to proceed'.  So is CRR Heavy.  But what of the so-called Brisbane Inner Rail Solution?  Does it have a fully compliant business case?  By stuffing around with CRR, CRR Lite/early capacity enhancements, has the Queensland Government allowed other states to steal the jump on us?  Their big-ticket infrastructure projects are 'ready to proceed' while the Queensland Transport Minister, Mr Emerson, is focussed on scoring political points ... something about Labor requiring Sunlander Tilt passengers to stand between Brisbane and Cairns because they ordered a train without seats, but got kicked out of office before the letting of a follow-up contract for the seats themselves.  Mr Emerson has merely let the seats contract on the LNP's watch.  He should focus on more important things.
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Re: Article: Commuters rail against tunnel vision
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013, 06:47:08 AM »
The Dandenong line was a problem when I was lad ...

The so called ' metro ' tunnel is a bit over the top.   The PTUA have a point ...

As far as SEQ goes, we still have not had any real definite indication that anything is happening at all really ... 

Be kind of ironical if Melbourne gets the ' metro ' tunnel up and CRR continues to be a series of thought bubbles ...
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Re: Article: Commuters rail against tunnel vision
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013, 07:57:15 AM »
I wish someone could give a correct viewpoint!  There is no consensus it seems.

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Re: Article: Commuters rail against tunnel vision
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013, 08:16:45 AM »
Ptua can be populist and impractical at times. Rail lines to doncaster I'm lukewarm on, rail lines to rowville are nonsense. I always like to see numbers on cost and pphd before making a judgement. Also more trains on dandenong line will see boom gates close off main arterial roads for the entire peak hour, resulting in massive congestion chaos.
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Re: Article: Commuters rail against tunnel vision
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013, 08:54:46 AM »
Improving the signalling might actually reduce the time the booms are down, even though more trains.  You can get a 'fleet effect'.   It is a basket case now, last time I was at Murrumbeena saw some very long closures.  There have been vague plans to triple from Caulfield to Oakleigh, if not further.  A tunnel Caulfield to other side of Oakleigh would be probably be the answer.  Avoids a lot of grade separation costs and the like.  All the express stuff could be in the tunnel, with just the all stoppers on top.
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