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minbrisbane

Oh you've got to be kidding.  Why not be like every other airport in the world and have an underground link.  Or even utilise the existing railway... it is duplicated between Domestic and International.

James

Quote from: ozbob on March 31, 2014, 02:51:37 AM
Couriermail --> Brisbane Airport plans monorail transit system between domestic and international terminals in preparation for growing future demand

Alfred was right ...   :P

Railway line? What railway line? Bus service? What bus service? Really, it is not necessary. Duplicate the single track International Terminal - Eagle Junction and voila, you can run services every 15 minutes off-peak and 10 minutes in peak. More bang for buck and no need for some fancy gimmick.

I suspect that Airtrain could very well challenge this development. If we went back to the 369 before the changes last year, it effectively would give pax a frequent 6am - 9pm (probably) connection between Eagle Junction and the Airport Terminals for no more than a two-zone bus fare.

A behind-security link at BNE is not necessary, nor practical - unlike the USA, our international and domestic (outbound) traffic does not mix, so one has to leave security in order to clear customs/immigration.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Monorail systems do operate at a number of airports around the world.  None, none have ' cable cars ' as far as I am aware ...

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TBH it's not really a bad idea but the rollingstock has to be up to date ie nothing small like the usual monorails we know about. With the expansion that's going on out there a monorail system could be quite the popular choice depending on its setup especially if it can link into the DFO and any possible airport hotel facilities down the line. Make it fully automated with the 24hr airport and the nearby 24hr supermarket..... things could really change.

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I think they might be getting suspended monorails mixed up with cable cars ... Alfred E.  knows ..  :P

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Yes, BNE will need some internal transport system particularly as it expands.  Automated monorail or even automated rail systems of various types might be achievable.  The heavy rail shuttle between domestic and international is also useful for many and will continue to be so. Poor frequency is the killer of course.
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Monorail seems sensible for within-airport transport.  Could be automated and run 24/7 unlike the Airtrain (which also can't service the parking areas).

Edit: looks like it won't connect to the retail precinct (DFO etc) for at least 15 years according to this article. Looks like this is due to Airtrain contract, so no surprise there.

QuoteThe first phase of the monorail would not link down to the retail section of the airport near the Gateway Motorway - where Brisbane City Council buses run - for at least 15 years.

QuoteAlthough maps show the monorail might eventually link to the retail and commercial section - where council buses run - this was not included in the first phase of the monorail, Mr Willey said.
''That is something that we would not discount for the very long-term future, but it is not something that we would contemplate in the first stages of delivering the system,'' he said.
Mr Willey said the state agreement with Airtrain until the 2030s still imposed constraints on the bus services offered at the airport.
''Whether that agreement changes and allows more bus services into the airport into the future, we're not certain of, but we will continue to push for more public service offerings into the airport,'' he said.

BrizCommuter

Quote from: ozbob on March 31, 2014, 13:53:25 PM
Monorail systems do operate at a number of airports around the world.  None, none have ' cable cars ' as far as I am aware ...

Depends on what you class as a "cable car"
http://www.dcc.at/doppelmayr/references/en/detail.aspx

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Yo ^ monorail ...

Unfortunate they have used ' cable car '  heard a discussion on radio last evening and there was a bit of derision re ' cable cars '  and BNE ..

Most think of cable cars quite rightly as the gondolas hanging down from cables ..
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Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning
The Honourable Jeff Seeney

Cloncurry airport amenities receive vital upgrade

The Western Queensland town of Cloncurry will receive a new airport apron and taxiway to cater for local residents and a growing number of workers through Round 3 of the Royalties for the Regions program.

Deputy Premier and Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning Jeff Seeney said the Queensland Government had committed $800,000 to a $1 million upgrade of the airport, delivering on the election promise to deliver better infrastructure and planning.

"Cloncurry is fast becoming a hub for regional resource industry projects and the current infrastructure is no longer adequate for the larger, heavier aircraft and increased passenger numbers," Mr Seeney said.

"Upgrading the apron and taxiway at the airport will improve services for the local community, visitors and resource sector workers.

"Investing in regional transport infrastructure such as this is an important part of growing economic development in regional Queensland and building the resource pillar of the Queensland economy.

"Labor ignored regional Queensland while in government and is a Party with no position now, but we have a plan to deliver better infrastructure and better planning that will help communities grow and prepare for the future.

"Royalties for the Regions is doing that."

Cloncurry Shire Council Mayor Andrew Daniels said he was grateful for the Royalties for the Regions funding.

"Cloncurry local government area is a valuable contributor to the Queensland economy and I'm pleased to see this acknowledged through the Royalties for the Regions program," Mr Daniels said.

"The $800,000 for the Cloncurry Airport upgrade recognises the $119 million of royalties generated as a result of resource activity in the Shire.

"I believe this figure will rise as Cloncurry continues to experience sustained growth."

The Queensland Government will finalise other successful Royalties for the Regions Round 3 applications in coming weeks with more than 23 council projects expected to share in this round's allocations.

To date more than 39 councils across Queensland have received over $250 million funding through the program, delivering more than 235 kilometres of road upgrades, community infrastructure and flood mitigation projects. For more information visit http://www.qld.gov.au/royalties

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How about the first region in Australia to link all the Airports with Rail Mcy-Bne-Ool Toowoomba-Wellcamp-Ipswich duplicated and electrified

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$99 bucks one way to Sydney is cheaper than Brisbane, but not worth the effort to go 130km west. The taxi fare from the station to the airport would destroy any profit without factoring in the train fare. $120 bucks is the typical price from Brisbane from Qantas to Sydney and the $99 fare by Qantaslink won't last as they are probably getting extra low to no landing fees to get them to move there.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this airport goes.


Wow, I daresay it is really going to struggle. Hope their numbers are correct and were not calculated by the same mob that did Clem7, AirporLink etc. That said, $200 million for an airport is AMAZINGLY CHEAP and 18 months MINDBLOWINGLY FAST for construction.

Its Toowoomba, and the airport is a good 17km out of the area. I think it will be rather quiet.
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Queensland Times --> Toowoomba versus Brisbane our new choice

Avalon is struggling in Victoria, I am not sure if this will work out in the longer term ..
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Deputy Premier, Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning
The Honourable Jeff Seeney

Have your say on Sunshine Coast Airport expansion

The next step in the potential expansion of the Sunshine Coast Airport which will create more than 1500 long-term jobs and provide a major economic boost for the region is underway, with the independent Coordinator-General releasing an environmental impact statement for public comment.

Deputy Premier and Minister for State Development, Infrastructure and Planning Jeff Seeney said the proposed $347 million expansion would enable the airport to more than double its capacity to two million passengers a year.

"Sunshine Coast Regional Council proposes to construct a new runway and associated infrastructure at the Marcoola airport site," Mr Seeney said.

"If approved, the new runway would enable larger jets to use the airport and will provide greater access to the Sunshine Coast for international tourists.

"Economic forecasts suggest passenger numbers at the airport could climb from the current 900,000 a year to two million a year by 2030.

"Our government promised to grow the economy and deliver better planning. Assisting the Sunshine Coast Council to expand its airport into a strategic infrastructure hub delivers on this promise.

"I encourage community members to have their say on the proposed expansion."

Sunshine Coast Regional Council is proposing to build a new north-west/south-east 2450 metres long runway – 652 metres longer than the current airstrip – to allow for a wider range of aircraft.

Expanding the airport is expected to create up to 86 direct jobs during construction and create 1538 operational jobs by 2040.

Mr Seeney said the Queensland Government had helped progress the proposal by agreeing to transfer, at no cost, three parcels of state-owned land adjacent to the airport needed by council for the project.

The project is a controlled action under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. The Coordinator-General is conducting a bilateral assessment on behalf of the State and Federal governments.

The Coordinator-General has determined that council's environmental impact statement has adequately addressed matters outlined in the Terms of Reference.

The Terms of Reference for the environmental impact statement required the proponent to address potential impacts like aircraft noise, construction, and coastal processes.

The public can have their say on the environmental impact statement from Monday 29 September until Thursday 13 November.

Residents can comment on the environmental impact statement at: https://haveyoursay.dsdip.qld.gov.au/coordinatorgeneral/SCAexpansion

Submissions can also be emailed to SCAexpansion@coordinatorgeneral.qld.gov.au or posted to the Coordinator-General, c/- EIS Project Manager – Sunshine Coast Airport Expansion, Coordinated Project Delivery, Office of the Coordinator-General, PO Box 15517, City East Qld 4002.

To view the environmental impact statement visit www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/SCAexpansion

Printed copies of the environmental impact statement can be viewed between 1 October and 13 November at all major Sunshine Coast libraries and council service centres.

[ENDS] 26 September 2014

**Editor's note addresses of where printed EIS information can be viewed

    Sunshine Coast Regional Council service centres:
    Caloundra: 1 Omrah Avenue, Caloundra
    Maroochydore: 10 First Avenue, Maroochydore
    Nambour: Cnr Currie and Bury Streets, Nambour
    Sunshine Coast Airport Management Office, 10 Electra Lane, Marcoola
    Sunshine Coast Regional Council libraries:
    Beerwah Library, 25 Peachester Road, Beerwah
    Caloundra Library, 8 Omrah Avenue, Caloundra
    Coolum Beach Library, 6 Park Street, Coolum
    Kawana Library, 30 Nanyima Street, Buddina
    Kenilworth Library, 4A Elizabeth Street, Kenilworth
    Maleny Library, 5 Coral Street, Maleny
    Maroochydore Library, 44 Sixth Avenue, Cotton Tree
    Nambour Library, Cnr Bury and Currie Streets, Nambour
    Noosa Shire Council, 9 Pelican Street, Tewantin
    Noosa Shire Council libraries:
    Cooroy Library, 9 Maple Street, Cooroy
    Noosaville Library, Wallace Drive, Noosaville
    Bribie Island Library, Cnr Welsby Parade and First Avenue, Bribie Island
    State Library of Queensland, Cultural Centre, Stanley Place, South Bank, Brisbane
    National Library of Australia, Parkes Place, Canberra, ACT
    Department of the Environment, John Gorton Building, King Edward Terrace, Parkes, Canberra, ACT.
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Arnz

If they can get a private company similar to the mob that build Toowooma Wellcamp Airport (I ain't calling that Brisbane West), that would be good.

Saying that, while the runway extension is welcomed, that doesn't always translate into widebody flights (eg Canberra Airport expansion).  However, the push for domestic expansion (especially flights north of MCY to North Qld destinations via FIFO or LCC is fairly strong). 

Saying that, the only expansion I could see at MCY should the runway be expanded is extended domestic services (CNS, ADL) via Jetstar or possibly Tigerair (using crews from SYD or MEL bases).  New Zealand flights to AKL extended from seasonal  to year round maybe, with seasonal runs to Christchurch?

BNE has the international flights sewn up, whilst OOL has the low cost Asian LCCs, so pretty much potential expansion for MCY is pretty much mostly LCC domestic, unless if Clive Palmer is willing to subsidise Asian carriers to come here.
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pandmaster

It is all well and good to expand the airport, but the airlines need to come. I cannot see a plane bigger than a 737 wanting to use it for the medium term, so improving reliability I think would be most important as flights often get diverted to BNE.BNE is very accessible from the Coast and offers a huge array of flights, domestically and internationaly, which MCY struggles to compete with. There use d to be flights to Adelaide, but they ceased after a while. There is more competition and flight times at BNE that may draw people from MCY due to the flexibility and fares. As I grew up on the Coast I would love to see more flights. Any pressure taken off BNE is a positive as well.

Arnz

Also to add the business travellers on the SC prefer BNE over MCY due to the lack of early departures, hence also contributing to the low yield/LCC nature of MCY.  Hence, why there is no business class out of MCY apart from the daily VA departures each to SYD and MEL, and even then the departure times aren't suited for the small business traveller market.

One of the few ways to add early departures out of MCY is if an airline bases one B737 or A320 out of MCY to go RON during weekday nights.  However I can't see any airlines basing a a/c out of MCY anytime soon, although it is well positioned as a domestic low cost carrier alternative instead of BNE.
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I wonder if a local rail service from Toowoomba to Wellcamp would do well. Looking at the timetable there's only 3 services today so they'd probably only run in sync with the flights.

cartoonbirdhaus

Quote from: dancingmongoose on November 18, 2014, 10:22:59 AM
I wonder if a local rail service from Toowoomba to Wellcamp would do well.

...Or at least qconnect buses to the urban area. (Sheesh, they don't even serve Picnic Point!)

Maybe some Brisbane-Toowoomba coach runs could be extended to WTB?
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Be good to have Toowoomba integrated into the TransLink network for better services as well as investigation and implementation of electrified duplicated  dual gauge track from Toowoomba to Rosewood via Well camp Airport

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