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Started by ozbob, February 18, 2013, 04:04:52 AM

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verbatim9

The current domestic station will be transformed into a mass transit hub with the construction of the new terminal at Brisbane Airport. "Very exciting and it will be good to utilise it in the when its operational."

International travel may be off the cards for now, but #Brisbane Airport is planning a major revamp to reap the rewards when borders reopen.

It's promising to overhaul the way we travel.
@anniepullar
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https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1399641226866003968

verbatim9

Are will still getting Skygate station as well?

verbatim9

Quote from: verbatim9 on June 01, 2021, 18:52:56 PM
The current domestic station will be transformed into a mass transit hub with the construction of the new terminal at Brisbane Airport. "Very exciting and it will be good to utilise it in the when its operational."

International travel may be off the cards for now, but #Brisbane Airport is planning a major revamp to reap the rewards when borders reopen.

It's promising to overhaul the way we travel.
@anniepullar
#9News

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1399641226866003968

Retail will do a lot better when cross operations take effect. Having separate retail operations in both domestic and international terminals limits sales and expansion at this present time. The idea having similar plans to Singapore's Jewel with a new combined retail centre along side new complimentary terminal retail and duty free, will end up being very successful.

I think Brisbane will be the new international gateway for Australia with the new runway and combined terminals to allow ease of transfers with world leading retail concepts and design. This will make BNE a destination, not just a transfer hub.

#Metro

Airport line duplication and a new station at DFO?

The old terminal could become a convention centre, complete with rail station.
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verbatim9

^^That's a good idea to repurpose the current/old international terminal into a convention centre.

SteelPan

"The Annastacia Palaszczuk Centre for Excellence in Transport Infrastructure Delivery"    :-t
SEQ, where our only "fast-track" is in becoming the rail embarrassment of Australia!   :frs:

#Metro

"Queensland Government Printer - Report and Plan Printing HQ"   :-r :bna:


Have we reached Q2 yet?
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#Metro

"Queensland Government - Policy and Studies World-Class Centre of Excellence"  :yikes:
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verbatim9

^^Luckily it's on Federal land, thus the state government is unlikely to have a say to what it will be or not be.

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verbatim9

New International terminal main use will be for Qantas. Community consultation opening soon. Fast rail connections from Bne to Toowoomba, Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast likely before the games (Courier Mail, 2021).

Courier Mail, 2021. Brisbane Airport's new international terminal to be built in time for 2032 Olympics. https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/brisbane-airports-new-international-terminal-to-be-built-in-time-for-2032-olympics/news-story/3b333c3538820679d7b5f949fd5f9795

ozbob

Brisbanetimes --> Federal government to run review of new Brisbane runway aircraft noise

QuoteThe federal government has launched a new review into increased aircraft noise from Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway, a year after the $1.1 billion infrastructure opened.

The government-owned Airservices Australia has given the Brisbane community five weeks to provide comment on the terms of reference for the 12-month review of the runway's impact. ...
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The Sunshine State is about to become home to the next generation of military aircrafts, with Boeing to build a new manufacturing facility in #Toowoomba. @ShannonMM9 #9News https://t.co/uEc6qwZCcL

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1440596384374136841

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verbatim9

Bonza in talks with Wellcamp Airport as a regional destination. It sounds promising.

The Chronicle---> Bonza Airline looking at Toowoomba's Wellcamp Airport inquiry as part of 2022 launch

verbatim9

If Bonza ends up flying in and out of Toowoomba? It warrants an extension of the near by Translink service, to service Wellcamp Airport terminal as well.

Cazza

Once again, keep in mind Cairns is yet to see a Translink service and Toowoomba has a pretty poor supporting bus network. Any airport bus would probably need to cover a fair chunk of the city to be a one-seat trip for most for it to be any sort of competition to taxis, Uber (if it's up there) or friends/family dropping people off.

SurfRail

It surprises me Cairns doesn't have one yet, although it's relatively cheap to get a cab to the CBD.  Just call it Route 100 and run it from the Cairns Central terminus to the airport following the same route as everything else up until the airport access road - or maybe extend as far as the Smithfield shops.  It would overwhelmingly be tourists using it and they would mostly be staying in or near the city.

Townsville is less busy but you could slot one in that also provides a quicker service from Garbutt to the CBD.

If Maroochydore, Rockhampton and Mackay can have airport services, these 2 definitely can seeing they are both busier airports.
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ozbob

Brisbanetimes --> More flights over Moreton Bay to reduce aircraft noise around Brisbane $

QuoteMore Brisbane flights will be required to arrive and depart over Moreton Bay, and spend less time at low altitude, after a government-appointed forum acknowledged community concerns about the noise.

The independent community forum, established by Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce last year, made recommendations that have been accepted by Brisbane Airport Corporation and Airservices Australia.  ...


Brisbane Airport Post Implementation Review Advisory Forum

>> https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/infrastructure-transport-vehicles/aviation/airports/brisbane-airport-post-implementation-review-advisory-forum
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Brisbane Times---> New airline Bonza targets half-price fares on 25 routes

QuoteBonza, which hopes to start flying around the middle of this year, will reveal on Tuesday it will base its fleet of Boeing 737 Max aircraft at Sunshine Coast Airport


verbatim9

This is great news for MCY and the tourism sector on the Sunshine Coast.

ozbob

Brisbanetimes --> Curbs on Brisbane Airport within days after complaints about noise $

QuoteMeasures to reduce aircraft noise over Brisbane suburbs will be trialled from February 24, Airservices Australia has announced.

The trials come after Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce took the unusual step of establishing an airport advisory forum to review the impact of Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway. It followed noise complaints from Brisbane residents and concerns that authorities had not acted quickly enough.

The Aircraft Noise Ombudsman found Airservices Australia contributed to the problem by failing to accurately model new flight paths, and likely noise impacts, before the parallel runway opened in July 2020. ...
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#Metro

I reckon this new airline will be bankrupt within 24 months.

There is no money to be made in low-cost carriers. The market is already highly competitive.

Business travel is what brings in the dollars, not leisure.
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JimmyP

Tell that to the plethora of highly successful low cost carriers around the world.
Whether Bonza can make their model (low cost, low frequency) work in Australia will be quite interesting to watch, but if they fail, it won't be as simple as 'low cost carriers don't work'.

verbatim9

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Quote from: verbatim9 on February 14, 2022, 23:56:49 PM
Brisbane Times---> New airline Bonza targets half-price fares on 25 routes

QuoteBonza, which hopes to start flying around the middle of this year, will reveal on Tuesday it will base its fleet of Boeing 737 Max aircraft at Sunshine Coast Airport




Routes  from  MCY revealed


#Metro

QuoteTell that to the plethora of highly successful low cost carriers around the world.

I'm not sure what's more concerning - this route map or the HSR route map   :is-

Successful? In what way are they successful? That they didn't go bankrupt while all their peers did? Or they got bought out by full service airline to form part of the Airline-in an Airline strategy?

What's the demand like from MCY to Mildura? And the frequency, once a week perhaps? The image is misleading as all the lines imply similar frequencies.

A better idea would be to base this airline out of Sydney Nancy-Bird Walton and launch in 2026 when the airport opens.

BUST within 24 months I say.

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JimmyP

Ryanair, Easyjet, Wizz, Norweigen (short haul), Allegient, Southwest (lower cost at least), Spirit and Fronteir (not 100% sure whether they're LCCs or not offhand) are all examples of successful low cost carriers, and they're just the ones straight off the top of my head.
Generally successful is not going broke, yes.

I'm not saying Bonza will definitely be successful or definitely won't be. I just said it'll be interesting to watch how it goes. The model they're employing works well in Europe and America, so it will be interesting to see whether they can make it work in Australia.

Since when do airline network maps give any idea at all to the flight frequency? Hell, any network map for that matter. The maps are literally there to advise people where they fly to, and to encourage those people to check out the website for more details. Same as every other airline.

techblitz

QuoteBUST within 24 months I say.
Lots of business`s spring up and fold within a couple of years....its been amplified with the pandemic....
Highly likely it wont fold anyway....it would be merged with another airline.....depending on the market dynamics...

In two years as your apparently predicting.....the domestic market would move from a slowdown in local holiday makers to a fully recovered overseas student market......so they would just offload their 737 maxes into say an Asian based airline...

@metro it is not the time to be negative by mentioning words like 'BUST'.
Business confidence specifically in the tourist/airline sector has taken a heavy hit....so at this point any new startup helps to restore that confidence..

You say 'BUST' I say 'WELL TIMED'

It looks like they will enter the market at just the right time......when things finally open back up in oz.....there will be much to gain as there is a huge backlog of aussie's wanting to take holidays/visit relatives.


PS: mackay is booming at the moment.....mackay to mildura is an unknown obviously....but there is definitely sizeable Victorian based temp labor working around the region that will use MKY to avoid the huge cost of flying from places like Moranbah.....where it can cost 3x more..

#Metro

No apparent business strategy and operating out of the wrong location.
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JimmyP

Better go tell them that then! They obviously haven't done any research at all, let alone a business case!! Mayne 777 Partners are just looking to throw away their money and figure this is an easy way to do it!

ozbob

I hope they have a few of these on board ...



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I'm skeptical they will get anywhere with these routes and with those aircraft.  Good luck to them anyway.
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verbatim9

People in the Moreton catchment are likely to use Sunshine Coast Airport even more so. Especially for destinations like MEL and DRW.

Bonza seem to have these routes stitched up. It's highly unlikely that Qantas and Virgin will compete on such routes except for MCY-MEL and maybe Avalon with JQ.

I wonder if Translink will provide a better link from the train as they do at the Gold Coast with the 760?

#Metro

QuoteBetter go tell them that then! They obviously haven't done any research at all, let alone a business case!! Mayne 777 Partners are just looking to throw away their money and figure this is an easy way to do it!

Consider purchasing tickets to Fyre Festival?
Want to invest in Hyperloop? Elon Musk and Branson behind it.
Brisbane Airtrain, Brisconnections motorways?
Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos
Whole dot com industry in early 2000's

Plenty of examples where a basic, sound strategy or business rationale wasn't present.

And there will be more! There always is.
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Quote from: ozbob on February 15, 2022, 00:47:52 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Curbs on Brisbane Airport within days after complaints about noise $

QuoteMeasures to reduce aircraft noise over Brisbane suburbs will be trialled from February 24, Airservices Australia has announced.

The trials come after Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce took the unusual step of establishing an airport advisory forum to review the impact of Brisbane Airport's new parallel runway. It followed noise complaints from Brisbane residents and concerns that authorities had not acted quickly enough.

The Aircraft Noise Ombudsman found Airservices Australia contributed to the problem by failing to accurately model new flight paths, and likely noise impacts, before the parallel runway opened in July 2020. ...

Amazing that the old flight path which goes over less affluent suburbs never got this attention nor action...."The bombs never hit you when you're down so low"

JimmyP

Quote from: #Metro on February 15, 2022, 13:57:20 PM
QuoteBetter go tell them that then! They obviously haven't done any research at all, let alone a business case!! Mayne 777 Partners are just looking to throw away their money and figure this is an easy way to do it!

Consider purchasing tickets to Fyre Festival?
Want to invest in Hyperloop? Elon Musk and Branson behind it.
Brisbane Airtrain, Brisconnections motorways?
Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos
Whole dot com industry in early 2000's

Plenty of examples where a basic, sound strategy or business rationale wasn't present.

And there will be more! There always is.

And what does it matter to you if they do fail? You seem to be pretty aggressively against them.

At the end of the day, if they manage to carve out their niche and increase tourism to regional areas while making enough profits to continue flying, great! If not.. we're no worse off..

verbatim9

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