SEQ Bus Network Review

[STB]

Lots of TL staff out and about ( green shirts).
Really have to feel for TL. It was thier review that got totally ignored yet they are the ones out and about doing the hard work of letting pax know of the updates.
Should be the councellors and bt backoffice staff doing this!!
especially you know who.....

And you can guess who's taking the flak for it, that's right, TransLink, even though they had their review removed from them due to politics, because they are the frontline and public reps for public transport in SEQ, they have to take the screaming and abuse from the public, plus have idiotic misguided media releases directed at them from other more juvenile public transport groups run on Facebook pages.  Meanwhile, the real culprits get to hide in offices and just tell people if they have a problem, take it up with TransLink. 

Yes, I'm talking to you Brisbane City Council, you knobs!  Oh and Scott Emerson, you are just as at fault as well.

Morale within TransLink must be at an all time low.  I would not be surprised if that is the case.

[STB]

Here's a quick summing up about Brisbane City Council:

- They refused to work with TransLink on the review, and jumped up and down until they got their way
- They refused to do a proper review (ie: starting from scratch as TransLink did), and ended up just tinkering around the edges to protect their funds from the State
- They refused to acknowledge TransLink in the media
- They refused to take responsibility for the state of the public transport network
- They refused to accept that TransLink is the state authority on public transport

Brisbane City Council, you need to be broken up, stripped of your extensive powers (we are no longer living in 1925!), and do what any other council does, look after the garbage, fix the footpaths, maintain the local streets, and deal with local small development, feel free to put on an extra rate to help with the funding of public transport like Gold Coast City Council does and actually work with the State and don't treat the State as your competition, nor any private operators that fall under TransLink nor Queensland Rail, they are not your competition!

[James]

The whole saga in the end makes me feel quite sad and angry.

I think of the bus network that we could have had - a vast improvement over what existed previously. Then idiots in council threw their toys out of the pram, 'SAVE THE 107' and 'SAVE MY HOURLY AIR PARCEL TO THE CBD' campaigns came out of the woodwork, and then all the grannies emerged from their home complaining about the fact that their bus route was being changed for the first time in 30-40 years.

What I find most depressing is that off the frequent network, there have been no serious service reviews in over 15 years. If the network isn't overhauled soon, there may very well be kids out there who have been born, grown up, and moved out of home and never seen a revision in their local bus service. That is probably the most depressing part. Areas, demographics and travel habits are changing all the time, yet BCC simply doesn't acknowledge this and sticks with the same old flawed direct service network.

The residents of Brisbane have been ignored. A better PT network has been ignored. TransLink's wishes for a better, more efficient network has been ignored. Brisbane Transport should be separated from Brisbane City Council. Regardless of whether BCC is dragged through the process kicking and screaming. I look forward to the next few years. BCC is going to buckle under its own pressure. Newman should stand firm and refuse to invest in any more bus infrastructure within 5km of the CBD, nor any more buses.

Maybe when there hasn't been a new frequent route added in 5 years the ratepayers of Brisbane will wake up to the lies.

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

Full bus route changes from Brisbane City Council begin

Full bus route changes from Brisbane City Council begin

    Peta Fuller
    Quest Newspapers
    October 14, 2013 9:50AM

THE bulk of Brisbane City Council's bus changes came into effect this morning with five routes cut and 85 changing their timetables or merging with other routes.

Routes to be cut from today are the 328, P356, P374, 436 and Chermside FlexiLink with one new route added, the 234 from Woolloongabba to Kangaroo Point.

Routes P88, 461, 462, 465 and 466 were removed in the first round of changes, which affected 14 routes in July.

Brisbane City Council opposition leader Milton Dick said the only plan from the council was for cuts.

"The Lord Mayor's bus review cut nine bus routes and reduced the frequency or altered the timetable of 78 other routes," Cr Dick said.

Lord Mayor Graham Quirk encouraged commuters to head to Translink's website to review their route.

Brisbane City Council took over the state government's review in March and ran consultation from April 22 to May 20 with the majority of commuters not affected.

Robert Dow, administrator of the RAIL Back on Track community lobby group, said the sad reality for Brisbane was that the high cost direct service Brisbane bus network model largely continues on the bus network, despite the 85 routes changed today.

"Mediocre feeder bus support for the rail network is making our public transport one of the most inefficient on the globe," he said.

"The bus changes today just confirms the failing network model and that BCC is unable to grasp that there is the need for proper true network reform.

"The sad thing is that we now have a public transport network that comprises the Brisbane Bus network and the rest of SEQ public transport networks.

"It is not really integrated in the sense that a proper review and changes as proposed by TransLink would have achieved. The impact of BCC's political intransigence is that service cutbacks will be foisted on the other regions, in order for the Brisbane Bus network to maintain its highly cost inefficient network."

Visit http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/brisbane to see the changes.

[minbrisbane]

At Garden City at the moment.  The green stickers are attached to the blades indicating the change from today....  the timetables haven't been changed.

[kazzac]

  and NO BUZ 230 or high frequency route for Balmoral/Bulimba!,feel sorry for anyone whom lives in this area who doesn't own a car and is not  within walking distance to train station [Morningside]or a CityCat terminal

[longboi]

At Garden City at the moment.  The green stickers are attached to the blades indicating the change from today....  the timetables haven't been changed.

BT strikes again.

[SteelPan]

1) Went to Queen St Mall public transit "booth" today to get a couple of hard-copy new timetables.  Not yet "in stock"    how many months in the planning was it......   

2) Changing routes of buses that go to hospitals ie, impacting mostly elderly (and other more "vulnerable" members of the community) - probably among the most stooopidist things ever seen done! 

Apart from that...well yeah....

[techblitz]

2) Changing routes of buses that go to hospitals ie, impacting mostly elderly (and other more "vulnerable" members of the community) - probably among the most stooopidist things ever seen done! 

Apart from that...well yeah....

the merger had to be done but you do bring up a good point with regards to elderly/hospital bound patients and the current full uni buses...its an interesting mix. We will probably get some report backs from derwan in the future on how the merger is affecting things.

[Gazza]

The new 66 seemed to be going fine when I rode it today. At least the city stops are better located for it now.

Besides, they'd already be battling with uni students on the 109 and 66 anway.

If we are talking about the 104, those early morning runs would be too early for appointments, or visiting hours right?

[#Metro]

Disagree re: Hospitals.

There are plenty of alternative services.

PA Hospital: Beenleigh Line, BUZ 100, Ipswich Road Services

Mater: All other busway services

RBWH: All other busway services

Plenty of choice

[newbris]

and NO BUZ 230 or high frequency route for Balmoral/Bulimba!,feel sorry for anyone whom lives in this area who doesn't own a car and is not  within walking distance to train station [Morningside]or a CityCat terminal

Yes, and similar for red hill residents down musgrave/waterworks rd even though high density and 2km from the cbd. Unfortunately no train or citycat either

Better bus service for the cows on the way to moggill.

[ozbob]

The new 66 seemed to be going fine when I rode it today. At least the city stops are better located for it now.

Besides, they'd already be battling with uni students on the 109 and 66 anway.

If we are talking about the 104, those early morning runs would be too early for appointments, or visiting hours right?

Niece is in town.  Plan to go for a ride on the 66 myself today then the CityCats ...

[Derwan]

Two days into the new timetable and here is my experience so far with a bus connection from Roma St to Woolloongabba.  The 5-minute 66 no longer goes to Woolloongabba, leaving the only services connecting directly between Roma St and Woolloongabba the 340 and Maroon Glider.  After minor updates, the Maroon Glider is supposed to arrive 4 minutes after the 340, meaning there shouldn't be a gap of more than 6 minutes.

Day 1
Wait time: Approximately 10 minutes
Bus caught: 340
Passenger loading: Driver had to yell at passengers to move to the back.  Only just loaded waiting passengers with aisle full.

Day 2
Wait time: Approximately 17 minutes (yes - 17 minutes)
Bus caught: Maroon Glider (two 340's a no-show)
Passenger loading: Driver had to yell at passengers to move to the back. Aisle had people standing 3-abreast.  Driver had to refuse entry to some passengers.

The direct connection would be bearable if buses turned up on time and weren't full.  I think I'm going to have to start bus-hopping to get to work on time.

[techblitz]

Tnx derwan

Its a mix of good and bad news...obvious good is that the peak MG patronage to gabba has shot up overnight! And obviously less waste in offpeak.
Im with you on those 340 no-shows as they do have a habit of turning up late on pm inbound.....
A quick timetable shuffle for peak should fix things...if BT are true to thier word on monitoring patronage then they will act on these issues if they continue...late 340s is the issue and needs to be addressed pronto!
Looks like your gonna have to 111/222 to it to mater then switch...

[SteelPan]

Disagree re: Hospitals.

There are plenty of alternative services.

PA Hospital: Beenleigh Line, BUZ 100, Ipswich Road Services

Mater: All other busway services

RBWH: All other busway services

Plenty of choice

YES, no doubt there's real choice for those mostly able bodied, perhaps younger people to move around - but the usually elderly people, who are use to long established services, who have perhaps serious medical conditions or visiting loved ones who do - probably don't need the stress - a few of them were rather distressed at stops in the City yesterday and that aspect of it is just sad and obviously not thought adequately through!   

Yes, I admit attempts were likely made, but those types of folks you really do need to take longer and spoon feed solutions to - frankly, given it's now mid Oct, you'd have thought maybe a wait til the lighter movements month of Jan would have made more sense - just my view.

[#Metro]

YES, no doubt there's real choice for those mostly able bodied, perhaps younger people to move around - but the usually elderly people, who are use to long established services, who have perhaps serious medical conditions or visiting loved ones who do - probably don't need the stress - a few of them were rather distressed at stops in the City yesterday and that aspect of it is just sad and obviously not thought adequately through!   

That kind of logic suggests we should never make a change that offends anybody, ever.
If their medical condition is so serious, they should be riding in patient transport, medical transport, an ambulance or taxi. There are a few of these providers around.

[STB]

YES, no doubt there's real choice for those mostly able bodied, perhaps younger people to move around - but the usually elderly people, who are use to long established services, who have perhaps serious medical conditions or visiting loved ones who do - probably don't need the stress - a few of them were rather distressed at stops in the City yesterday and that aspect of it is just sad and obviously not thought adequately through!   

That kind of logic suggests we should never make a change that offends anybody, ever.
If their medical condition is so serious, they should be riding in patient transport, medical transport, an ambulance or taxi. There are a few of these providers around.

I agree.  I know for a fact (from being in and out of hospital all my life) that people that have mobility trouble do use other services other than public transport already and they cope fine.  I know when I've come out of a procedure that doesn't allow me to use public transport or affects my mobility, I've been taken by ambulance or have had people pick me up in the past, and most people do something like that already.

I don't have a problem with the changes personally for route 66, people will cope, life will go on, and alterations to the other routes servicing hospitals can be adjusted accordingly if needed.

[ozbob]

Went out to UQ Lakes on the 66 today.  Light loads around 10am ..













Photographs R Dow 15th October 2013

[SurfRail]

My grandfather has got about 10% or less of his original skin left - 50+ melanoma operations, grafts taken from virtually everywhere on his body, looks like a burns victim.  He's been catching trains up from Nerang to Roma St and catching the 66 to the RBWH to see a specialist the last few weeks - he said to me it all works quite well.  If he can manage, most people can.

[James]

YES, no doubt there's real choice for those mostly able bodied, perhaps younger people to move around - but the usually elderly people, who are use to long established services, who have perhaps serious medical conditions or visiting loved ones who do - probably don't need the stress - a few of them were rather distressed at stops in the City yesterday and that aspect of it is just sad and obviously not thought adequately through!   

Yes, I admit attempts were likely made, but those types of folks you really do need to take longer and spoon feed solutions to - frankly, given it's now mid Oct, you'd have thought maybe a wait til the lighter movements month of Jan would have made more sense - just my view.

Things change, and the elderly need to learn that. We cannot halt progress simply because grandma can't cross the road and continue to have this 'direct services everywhere' network. Plenty of notice was given IMO, and the changes were very weak in terms of radicalism. By your account, had the TL review gotten up, grandma would have had a heart attack!

I know of elderly citizens who have had to go to their local hospital for treatment. Instead of interchanging (which may have proved too difficult), she simply caught a taxi.

PS The PA has a fully compliant DDA busway station right next door, which connects into the rest of the DDA compliant busway network. With most buses going via Cultural Centre/Mater Hill/Wooloongabba/Buranda, with the 66 it is easy enough to get to the PA. And that is ignoring other available connections like 100 BUZ/Ipswich Rd services.

[techblitz]

Positive peakhour reportback on the 119/120

Have noticed more pax onboard the 119s @ salisbury east
Less standees @ mater hill.

Spoke to some tradecoast drivers today and they are saying there is a few teething problems with the ex bowen hills drivers doing Carindale routes for the first time. Lucky they have passengers to assist them when they make wrong turns
They feel that some of the ex BH drivers weren't given enough time to study the new routes.
Also speculation going around in the depots that part of the reason why the arana hills/ferny grove routes got decreased was the d/running factor.

[Set in train]

PS The PA has a fully compliant DDA busway station right next door, which connects into the rest of the DDA compliant busway network.

I made the trip from this station to the PA foyer newsagency one day. Being the first time I had used the walkway, I was shocked how long it took to walk. Felt like an eternity. Would want to be DDA compliant, would need wheelchair if not able bodied.

[techblitz]

southern star 16.10.13



northside chronicle  16.10.13

[SurfRail]

I seem to have tapped into a serious wellspring of anger about the Gold Coast changes - plenty of people now realising what is going to happen.

[Set in train]

southern star 16.10.13

Will be interesting if route 547 when introduced receives the same publicity. 153 service only operates for barely over an hour for Brisbane bound commuters only.

[Set in train]

I seem to have tapped into a serious wellspring of anger about the Gold Coast changes - plenty of people now realising what is going to happen.

Good. I wonder if the Gold Coast's only non LNP MP has realised this too?

Wonder what changes TL could/would make? Speaking with the comms staff at the Hyperdome on Monday, they were of the impression that no further changes would be made to any region.

[SurfRail]

Good. I wonder if the Gold Coast's only non LNP MP has realised this too?

Funny you should mention that:

Gold Coast, Bus Services
Dr DOUGLAS (Gaven—UAP) (2.59 am): I rise to express my concerns over the new bus timetable and routes on the Gold Coast to start in January, in particular, the feeder services which are inadequate for our population. I agree with transport advocate Steven Jamieson, who lives in my electorate, that there is a justified perception that public transport does not exist after dark and cannot be relied upon to get one home. Mr Jamieson is the Gold Coast regional spokesperson for RAIL Back On Track and uses public transport extensively to get to work. He is an astute analyst when it comes to public transport.

A closer look at the timetable shows that some feeder services barely exist even after the 3 pm school finish time, let alone standard business or retail trading hours or later into the evening. Without these later services, the market for public transport will be adversely affected, even if those late night services are not operating at anywhere near capacity. I table Mr Jamieson's document, which is 69 pages long, analysing the new services.

Tabled paper: Document titled '2014 Gold Coast Bus Network Changes—An Appraisal', dated 11 October 2013, by Steven Jamieson, Gold Coast Spokesperson, RAIL: Back On Track.

He says that the connective system is impossible because poor feeder services do not exist to enable the connections, notwithstanding the route alignments. Sadly, the feeder services do not meet the needs of a large number of the community, including those travelling home from Brisbane by train, traditional nine to five workers and anyone who needs to return home later in the evening than 5 pm, which is really not all that late. Further, if these are not improved, they will have significant consequences on the viability of the trunk services and the light rail system which is opening next year. Honourable members should remember that that does not connect to heavy rail.

The services which replace routes 20 and 20A, which are the heaviest carrying routes on the western side of the Gold Coast, will mean many residents will often have to walk further to catch a bus. Route 743 travels along Spencer Road and part of Lawrence Drive, which is the busiest part of Nerang, Cozens Way, Jabiluka Drive, Hamersley Way and part of Explorers Way, Billabirra Crescent loop, Crusader Way and Short Street, Nerang. These streets will no longer be serviced and hours need to be longer to allow existing travellers to continue to access public transport after hours, particularly to allow for connections to train services after the afternoon peak. Services should operate until 8 pm or 9 pm at a minimum. It is a heavy demand area. I remember coming from Nerang station. I remember a lot of people coming down from Brisbane and tourists as well.

New route 735 means there is no direct access to Southport from the southern and western parts of Nerang. Once again, the feeder services need to have longer hours to preserve the current evening and late night access between Southport and most of Nerang. This is a problem because Southport is going to return to being a massive CBD. New route 736 sees reduced hours and no direct connection to Southport, combined with terminating short of Nerang Railway Station. It needs to extend to the station to form a common hub and to have increased hours.

It is not all bad news. New route 739 means there will be a direct connection to Griffith University and the Gold Coast University Hospital for Nerang. I am sure my community will applaud that. Unfortunately, there are some problems with the feeder services and they need to be corrected.

[ozbob]

 

[Set in train]

Good. I wonder if the Gold Coast's only non LNP MP has realised this too?

Funny you should mention that:

What a coincidence  Good to read.

[ozbob]

Good. I wonder if the Gold Coast's only non LNP MP has realised this too?

Funny you should mention that:

Gold Coast, Bus Services
Dr DOUGLAS (Gaven—UAP) (2.59 am): I rise to express my concerns over the new bus timetable and routes on the Gold Coast to start in January, in particular, the feeder services which are inadequate for our population. I agree with transport advocate Steven Jamieson, who lives in my electorate, that there is a justified perception that public transport does not exist after dark and cannot be relied upon to get one home. Mr Jamieson is the Gold Coast regional spokesperson for RAIL Back On Track and uses public transport extensively to get to work. He is an astute analyst when it comes to public transport.

A closer look at the timetable shows that some feeder services barely exist even after the 3 pm school finish time, let alone standard business or retail trading hours or later into the evening. Without these later services, the market for public transport will be adversely affected, even if those late night services are not operating at anywhere near capacity. I table Mr Jamieson's document, which is 69 pages long, analysing the new services.

Tabled paper: Document titled '2014 Gold Coast Bus Network Changes—An Appraisal', dated 11 October 2013, by Steven Jamieson, Gold Coast Spokesperson, RAIL: Back On Track.

He says that the connective system is impossible because poor feeder services do not exist to enable the connections, notwithstanding the route alignments. Sadly, the feeder services do not meet the needs of a large number of the community, including those travelling home from Brisbane by train, traditional nine to five workers and anyone who needs to return home later in the evening than 5 pm, which is really not all that late. Further, if these are not improved, they will have significant consequences on the viability of the trunk services and the light rail system which is opening next year. Honourable members should remember that that does not connect to heavy rail.

The services which replace routes 20 and 20A, which are the heaviest carrying routes on the western side of the Gold Coast, will mean many residents will often have to walk further to catch a bus. Route 743 travels along Spencer Road and part of Lawrence Drive, which is the busiest part of Nerang, Cozens Way, Jabiluka Drive, Hamersley Way and part of Explorers Way, Billabirra Crescent loop, Crusader Way and Short Street, Nerang. These streets will no longer be serviced and hours need to be longer to allow existing travellers to continue to access public transport after hours, particularly to allow for connections to train services after the afternoon peak. Services should operate until 8 pm or 9 pm at a minimum. It is a heavy demand area. I remember coming from Nerang station. I remember a lot of people coming down from Brisbane and tourists as well.

New route 735 means there is no direct access to Southport from the southern and western parts of Nerang. Once again, the feeder services need to have longer hours to preserve the current evening and late night access between Southport and most of Nerang. This is a problem because Southport is going to return to being a massive CBD. New route 736 sees reduced hours and no direct connection to Southport, combined with terminating short of Nerang Railway Station. It needs to extend to the station to form a common hub and to have increased hours.

It is not all bad news. New route 739 means there will be a direct connection to Griffith University and the Gold Coast University Hospital for Nerang. I am sure my community will applaud that. Unfortunately, there are some problems with the feeder services and they need to be corrected.

Document can be found here --> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9793.msg133000#msg133000

[James]

James went on a trip this afternoon.

Hoping to meet up with friends I hadn't seen in while in the CBD, I went to our local bus stop, expecting to catch the 4:05pm inbound 411 service. Scheduled at my local stop at 4:09pm, this service never arrived. Thankfully, the following service arrived on-time at 4:24pm. However, due to the no-showing previous service, this bus service had standees (in the time I waited, I could have very easily walked to Toowong). The service was travelling as normal, until it got to about 200m before the stop on the corner of Gailey Road and Sir Fred Schonell Drive.

After waiting around 5 minutes and travelling about 10 metres, I pressed the bus stopping button, made a judgement call and decided to get out, as did several other passengers on the bus. And I was very thankful I did that. In fact, I regret not walking from my house in St Lucia. The traffic was horrendous. I walked to Toowong with a member of the community who was looking to get to another suburban destination quickly who I had met at the bus stop, figuring that she'd prefer to be standing up and moving, than standing up and going nowhere.

We finally reached Toowong, and no sign of the 411 we had deserted. While I was there, it was very easy to see how bad the traffic was.



After standing there for a little while, I figured that I wouldn't stuff around and try and catch a bus in the other direction, but instead that I would simply walk home and take some photos of the congestion. Here's some pictures of the congestion.



This picture was taken around 5:05pm. This is a picture of the bus I deserted at the corner of Gailey and SFSD. 30 minutes taken to travel 1km.



Corner of SFSD and Gailey Road.



Peak-hour traffic meltdown engulfs Moggill Road too!



Look Graham, people transferring. A whole heap of them! Look! 

Now if we cut routes off at Toowong and Indooroopilly, think about how congestion would decrease due to more cars being used. Think about how all of the Indooroopilly routes would have been able to avoid this mess.

[#Metro]

I went on a trip this afternoon too.

I caught my personal hi-waste rocket 161 from QSBS, there were only a handful of commoners (~10) on board - this is about 10% loading- it is very good to see Brisbane Transport put on special services for the claustrophobic by running services with as much air on it as possible.

Not much difference from a rocket - nobody hailed the bus between QSBS and Garden City.

[Gazza]

I caught my personal hi-waste rocket 161 from QSBS, there were only a handful of commoners (~10) on board - this is about 10% loading

Were they running one of those 100 person articulated buses on the route  ?

[#Metro]

Were they running one of those 100 person articulated buses on the route

It was a high capacity one IIRC, but not an arctic.

Now if we cut routes off at Toowong and Indooroopilly, think about how congestion would decrease due to more cars being used. Think about how all of the Indooroopilly routes would have been able to avoid this mess.

Excellent work James. CUT!!

412 and 411 should be terminated at Toowong. End of.

[Gazza]

412 and 411 should be terminated at Toowong. End of.

Doesn't cutting the 412 short kinda defeat the purpose of the route?...It's not so much for CBD<>UQ travel (The 109 is faster for that)
More it's for servicing the high demand corridor of residents along Coro through to UQ....I doubt anyone would say get on the train at Auchenflower, ride one stop, and then change to a UQ bus.

[#Metro]

People should stop being so precious. Get off their butt and change. Walking is good for health, starves off cancer, diabetes and obesity. Sheesh!
UQ charges so much for car parking these days.

Consider transferring in Toronto where temperatures can reach NEGATIVE 20 deg C with ice, snow and wind to boot.

[Golliwog]

412 and 411 should be terminated at Toowong. End of.

Doesn't cutting the 412 short kinda defeat the purpose of the route?...It's not so much for CBD<>UQ travel (The 109 is faster for that)
More it's for servicing the high demand corridor of residents along Coro through to UQ....I doubt anyone would say get on the train at Auchenflower, ride one stop, and then change to a UQ bus.

I think keeping it as a trunk to the city makes sense for now. 66 is indeed faster though it doesn't have as big a span as the 412. Has UQ gotten rid of the $3 a day parking?

[Gazza]

People should stop being so precious. Get off their butt and change. Walking is good for health, starves off cancer, diabetes and obesity. Sheesh!
UQ charges so much for car parking these days.

Consider transferring in Toronto where temperatures can reach NEGATIVE 20 deg C with ice, snow and wind to boot.

Nice sentiment, but you haven't really addressed my point.
Why does the 412 get high cost recovery and very high patronage? It's up there with the 199.

The 412 and 402 both have their roles, and both see very good usage.

At the present time, the Ipswich line is nowhere near metro levels (Nor will we have the rolling stock to run it like that for quite a while) where making coro drive pax change ride the train for one stop, and then bus from Toowong would be possible.
Besides, it'd increase journey times too much over such a short distance.

It's not like you propose running the 199 into Fortitude Valley station, or canning the 66 and making everyone take a train to park road right?

I'm sure you've read the stuff from Jarret Walker where he makes the point that in grid based systems those short L shaped journeys are difficult because the average wait time far outweighs the in vehicle time.

[#Metro]

Why does the 412 get high cost recovery and very high patronage? It's up there with the 199.

It's cost recovery would be even higher if it were a feeder, and probably patronage too as it would also be able to be run more frequently now that it is shorter.

At the present time, the Ipswich line is nowhere near metro levels (Nor will we have the rolling stock to run it like that for quite a while) where making coro drive pax change ride the train for one stop, and then bus from Toowong would be possible.
Besides, it'd increase journey times too much over such a short distance.

My heart bleeds. It doesn't have to be a metro.

It's not like you propose running the 199 into Fortitude Valley station, or canning the 66 and making everyone take a train to park road right?

I hope you don't plan to look at my network plan I am drawing up, you might have to be hospitalised.

I'm sure you've read the stuff from Jarret Walker where he makes the point that in grid based systems those short L shaped journeys are difficult because the average wait time far outweighs the in vehicle time.

If the buses on Coro drive run every 10 minutes or so and the 412 runs every 10 minutes or so, average wait is 5 mins. Not the end of the world.

And I can use those saved route-km elsewhere on the network to make more people happy.