Started by ozbob, August 20, 2012, 09:51:39 AM
QuoteCoal trains in the suburbs (plus other transport issues)20 August 2012 , 9:06 AM by Spencer Howson A new protest group has formed in Brisbane and you may encounter them when you catch the train this morning. They're called STOP BRISBANE COAL TRAINS, and John Gordon is a former Environmental Engineer who founded the group. Globally, he'd like to see coal mining stopped altogether, but he's starting small by fighting to have coal trains that travel from West of Toowoomba through to Brisbane have their coal loads covered.612 Breakfast also spoke to Transport Minister Scott Emerson about this issue as well as changes to driver's licence testing:
Quote from: Simon on August 20, 2012, 09:57:46 AMIt was in a recent New Scientist that Coal dust causes more deaths per kWh than any other energy source, so long as you discount the massive 1975 dam failure in China.
Quote from: ozbob on August 20, 2012, 10:06:40 AMQuote from: Simon on August 20, 2012, 09:57:46 AMIt was in a recent New Scientist that Coal dust causes more deaths per kWh than any other energy source, so long as you discount the massive 1975 dam failure in China.Source? Evidence?I think oil would be worse ...
Quote from: ozbob on August 20, 2012, 10:18:48 AMOh, electricity generation only. Nuclear might be interesting down the track ...
QuoteCoal trains to be monitored for pollutionAugust 20, 2012 - 4:04PM The level of coal dust from freight trains passing through Brisbane will be monitored by Queensland Rail (QR) for the first time in a decade.State Transport Minister Scott Emerson says QR will work with the state government to test pollution levels from open rail wagons hauling coal."Ten years ago when that monitoring was done it showed that levels were safe in terms of coal dust," Mr Emerson told the ABC."But I do think it is appropriate for some more monitoring to be done and QR National is in negotiations with QR Limited to do some additional monitoring to see what the current situation is."John Gordon, a former environmental engineer who established the group Stop Brisbane Coal Trains, said most people were oblivious to the problem."Huge trains travelling around the clock through the suburbs of Brisbane with uncovered payloads redefine the word stupid," he said.Mr Gordon said monitoring the coal trains for the first time in 10 years was not good enough and they should be stopped."At a global level, you have one million tonnes of coal per month being exported overseas from the Port of Brisbane, which in an era of climate change is simply immoral."In effect we are exporting climate change, and taking no responsibility re the global consequences."AAPRead more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/coal-trains-to-be-monitored-for-pollution-20120820-24i2p.html
Quote from: ozbob on August 20, 2012, 17:44:08 PMIt is clear I think what the real agenda is.
Quote from: environs on August 22, 2012, 17:19:20 PMQuote from: ozbob on August 20, 2012, 17:44:08 PMIt is clear I think what the real agenda is.I think the campaign would have been more credible if it had come from someone who was actually a genuine green, and was based more on substantive facts rather than a combination of emotive FUD designed to tickle the ears of an ill-informed NIMBY element, personality cult ego-tripping, and a seething undercurrent of anti-capitalist rhetoric. Stop, and cover, do not have the same definition in any dictionary I know - one minute it's stop the "death trains" and the next is cover the loads, depending on the audience. The intellectual dishonesty and questionable motives have been compounded by the widespread deletion of comments and banning of those whose contributions have informed, rebutted, questioned or offered sound alternative viewpoints, all-the-while claiming to support "robust debate". As to the facts, it is clear that QR Network have been involved with this issue for some time, as is apparent from their Coal Dust Management Plan, showing that they have collected data, done the research and have implemented a transitioning towards addressing concerns using practices such as "veneering".(edited to fix link)
Quote from: rtt_rules on November 14, 2012, 14:20:15 PMThe problem with the coal trains are two things.1) Ancient Axle loadings for bulk haulage2) Ancient train length for bulk haulageIncrease (1) from 15.75t to even just 20t and you get a 33% bonus per trainIncrease train lengths from 600-650m to 1300m and you get a 100% bonusDo both and you get 133% more coal per train movement and less dust per tonne of coal shipped. I call that a win win winMiners, suburban traffic, environment
Quote from: ozbob on November 14, 2012, 15:50:35 PMYes, indeed Colin. Also the issue of running through the suburban system, can't handle long trains either.
Quote from: Simon on November 14, 2012, 15:58:16 PMQuote from: ozbob on November 14, 2012, 15:50:35 PMYes, indeed Colin. Also the issue of running through the suburban system, can't handle long trains either.In the sense that junction occupancy times are too long - or is the signalling system not up to it?
Quote from: ozbob on November 15, 2012, 11:57:28 AMCorinda to Yeerongpilly is actually Queensland Rail track and is used all the time by suburban units for positioning, as relief when there is an issue between Yeerongpilly and town on the southern line (conversley issue between Corinda and town western line) and may well be used for regular revenue services in the not too distant future. What sidings there where at Tennyson were removed, still Moolabin of course. Tennyson station waits for history to repeat ...
QuoteNews in Brief - November 7th 2012Legislation passed for Surat Basin rail linkThe Queensland Government has passed enabling legislation to clear the way for the required rail infrastructure to serve the Surat Basin coal deposits. The Surat Basin Rail (Infrastructure Development and Management) Bill creates the specific legislative framework for the Surat Basin Rail project.The projected 214km multi-user railway between Wandoan, north-west of Toowoomba in the state's south and Banana, south-west of Gladstone in central Queensland would be used to access some 6.3 billion tonnes of coal reserves in the Surat Basin and connect to the Wiggins Island Coal Export Terminal. The railway would have the capacity to transport up to 42 million tonnes of coal per year on trains up to 2.5 kilometres in length.A corridor of approximately 60 metres wide (wider in sections) would need to be acquired from affected landowners and fenced along its entire length and the new legislation incorporates a range of provisions relating land issues.The legislation itself is no guarantee the rail link will go ahead. Progress has slowed on a number of proposed rail projects serving the Queensland coal industry influenced by general uncertainty in the mining industry, both locally and globally.Mining giant Xstrata is partner in the Surat Basin Rail consortium and the company's proposed Wandoan mine would be a major user of the railway. Xstrata has yet to make a final investment decision to proceed with the Wandoan mine and its proposed merger with global commodities trader Glencore has also cast a shadow over future projects.
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