POLL: Truncate the 66?

[somebody]

The major advantage of this is freeing up the artic capable stop in KGSBS.  This should allow artics on the 330 or 340 - 333 might need something different at Chermside.

Other advantages are that it saves an amount of largely dead running, reduces congestion at the Cultural Centre and also allows the number to be used for placing in service presently out of service buses on the corridor.

[techblitz]

if feasible/possible......i wouldnt mind seeing the 66 as a new frequent service from wooloongabba to rbwh via story bridge/kangaroo point/valley.

[STB]

As a QUT student knowing what the crowds can be like and knowing where they get on and off, hell no!  We barley got by with the 330, 340 and 66 before the changes. I am yet to be convinced that the BUZ 330 and 340 will help. Pulling out the 66 is quite a bit of capacity gone.

Simon, you are making yourself sound like you don't even catch the 66 to even know exactly what is going on along that corridor! 

[somebody]

As a QUT student knowing what the crowds can be like and knowing where they get on and off, hell no!  We barley got by with the 330, 340 and 66 before the changes, pull out the 66, after the changes, I am yet to be convinced that the BUZ 330 and 340 will help. Pulling out the 66 is quite a bit of capacity gone.

Simon, you are making yourself sound like you don't even catch the 66 to even know exactly what is going on along that corridor! 

Umm, did I say pull the 66 out of QUT KG?

[STB]

As a QUT student knowing what the crowds can be like and knowing where they get on and off, hell no!  We barley got by with the 330, 340 and 66 before the changes, pull out the 66, after the changes, I am yet to be convinced that the BUZ 330 and 340 will help. Pulling out the 66 is quite a bit of capacity gone.

Simon, you are making yourself sound like you don't even catch the 66 to even know exactly what is going on along that corridor! 

Umm, did I say pull the 66 out of QUT KG?

Where are you planning on sending it?  There are students, and hospital workers who catch the 66 from Mater Hill through to Cultural Centre, KGSBS, and Roma Street.  And the 66 gets PACKED!  Even in the off peak!

[techblitz]

i remember a recent report stating that route 66 was up there as one of the top 5 most used bus routes so adjusting it would be a big decision.

[somebody]

As a QUT student knowing what the crowds can be like and knowing where they get on and off, hell no!  We barley got by with the 330, 340 and 66 before the changes, pull out the 66, after the changes, I am yet to be convinced that the BUZ 330 and 340 will help. Pulling out the 66 is quite a bit of capacity gone.

Simon, you are making yourself sound like you don't even catch the 66 to even know exactly what is going on along that corridor! 

Umm, did I say pull the 66 out of QUT KG?

Where are you planning on sending it?  There are students, and hospital workers who catch the 66 from Mater Hill through to Cultural Centre, KGSBS, and Roma Street.  And the 66 gets PACKED!  Even in the off peak!

If you are going to go off half cocked without reading what I wrote, I'm not going to reply to you.  Hint: read the OP.

[ozbob]

I read it as a suggestion for cutting back the 66 to RBWH < - > Roma St (still on the busway of course).  The 66 works flat out and couldn't realistically be removed.  Whether it should be cut to the 'Gabba, well I would like to know the pax loads first.

[STB]

As a QUT student knowing what the crowds can be like and knowing where they get on and off, hell no!  We barley got by with the 330, 340 and 66 before the changes, pull out the 66, after the changes, I am yet to be convinced that the BUZ 330 and 340 will help. Pulling out the 66 is quite a bit of capacity gone.

Simon, you are making yourself sound like you don't even catch the 66 to even know exactly what is going on along that corridor! 

Umm, did I say pull the 66 out of QUT KG?

Where are you planning on sending it?  There are students, and hospital workers who catch the 66 from Mater Hill through to Cultural Centre, KGSBS, and Roma Street.  And the 66 gets PACKED!  Even in the off peak!

If you are going to go off half cocked without reading what I wrote, I'm not going to reply to you.  Hint: read the OP.

Excuse me Simon, don't be rude! I didn't go off half cocked, I did read what you were proposing and I disagree with it strongly, as I have full knowledge of that run at most times of the day.

[somebody]

Well I say you did.

[STB]

Well I say you did.

[Golliwog]

I also strongly oppose this change. This route is a well used inner busway distributer route. If you think the southern end of the route is under utilised, rather than cut it off, why not propose changes to other routes to encourage interchange at the Gabba?

[BrizCommuter]

The major advantage of this is freeing up the artic capable stop in KGSBS.  This should allow artics on the 330 or 340 - 333 might need something different at Chermside.

Other advantages are that it saves an amount of largely dead running, reduces congestion at the Cultural Centre and also allows the number to be used for placing in service presently out of service buses on the corridor.

Don't feed the troll!

[techblitz]

if the concern is with the cutting down congestion at cultural etc etc then it seems translink will make the required adjustments necessary in time.I for one like what they did with the 340 by sending it to the gabba.Routes 88/66 will most likely stay put permanently due to thier strong patronage.The strong performing 130,140,150,120 should be left alone as well.Ive noticed the 77 increasing of late so maybe it is starting to 'come of age' as they say.

[Gazza]

The major advantage of this is freeing up the artic capable stop in KGSBS.  This should allow artics on the 330 or 340 - 333 might need something different at Chermside.

Other advantages are that it saves an amount of largely dead running, reduces congestion at the Cultural Centre and also allows the number to be used for placing in service presently out of service buses on the corridor.

Is this change being proposed because it is good for passengers, or because its modifying the network so things are done "your way".

[somebody]

Because it's good for passengers.

[#Metro]

From time to time we all eventually get fried on forum.
Look, yes 66 duplicates the inner section, but rather than cut, I think more services should be put on and the 66 + 29 considered for amalgamation.

How can we even be thinking of cuts when BrizCommuter is always banging on about overcrowding etc etc all the time on this bus route?

[somebody]

I think it is fair to say that if BT was privatised, with an incentive model, the 66's days would be numbered.

[HappyTrainGuy]

And yet craptastic routes are still being pulled out of thin air on the northside.

I voted no. If congestion wants to be reduced rework the southside routes. Way to many buses making the trip all the way to the city. Transfer at key points.

[SurfRail]

I think it is fair to say that if BT was privatised, with an incentive model, the 66's days would be numbered.

Why?  The thing is bursting at the seams.  I suspect dead running is also virtually nil because buses can form inbound or outbound services to/from the city to get to/from home depot.

There may be better ways to do it, but I doubt they would be in a rush to do anything to something that is pulling its weight when there are so many craptacular routes running that they could stuck into first.

[somebody]

It is only full north of Roma St.

[SurfRail]

It is only full north of Roma St.

Is it?

[somebody]

In my experience, definitely.

EDIT: Are you saying that you have a different experience?

[SurfRail]

In my experience, definitely.

EDIT: Are you saying that you have a different experience?

I've seen full standing loads at South Bank in mornings and afternoons, although admittedly I don't catch it often (usual bus for me is the 196 or 199) and personal anecdotes don't make strong arguments.

[somebody]

Indeed they don't.  I have absolute confidence that if the stats were examined, they would show that those using the 66 south of Roma St would be easily accommodated on other routes.  If you accept that, then why add to Cultural Centre congestion and take a stop from KGSBS for such a route?

[Golliwog]

Indeed they don't.  I have absolute confidence that if the stats were examined, they would show that those using the 66 south of Roma St would be easily accommodated on other routes.  If you accept that, then why add to Cultural Centre congestion and take a stop from KGSBS for such a route?

The way I see it, the logic behind the 66 is that having pax take up seats on the longer routes when they're only going within the inner few busway station is obviously ineffecient. Give them their own bus (the 66) and get more people on the longer routes who are actually going further south than the Gabba.

[SurfRail]

Indeed they don't.  I have absolute confidence that if the stats were examined, they would show that those using the 66 south of Roma St would be easily accommodated on other routes.  If you accept that, then why add to Cultural Centre congestion and take a stop from KGSBS for such a route?

I will admit that while the inner south has equivalent intensity of land use (its own massive hospital complexes, plus the Gabba and higher density residential), it has the benefit of the railway and much more frequent bus services, while the Herston area does not.

[somebody]

I don't see in what world it makes sense to call for routes like the 110, 125 to be taken out of the South Bank stretch and simultaneously call for the 66 to remain in it.

The way I see it, the logic behind the 66 is that having pax take up seats on the longer routes when they're only going within the inner few busway station is obviously ineffecient. Give them their own bus (the 66) and get more people on the longer routes who are actually going further south than the Gabba.

Well if the buses are still going that way, you are only adding the time of the odd added stop - a number of times they would be stopping anyway.  It's not like you would wait for the 66 to come along so I don't see it adding value in the way you describe.

[Gazza]

I don't see in what world it makes sense to call for routes like the 110, 125 to be taken out of the South Bank stretch and simultaneously call for the 66 to remain in it.

The way I see it, the logic behind the 66 is that having pax take up seats on the longer routes when they're only going within the inner few busway station is obviously ineffecient. Give them their own bus (the 66) and get more people on the longer routes who are actually going further south than the Gabba.

Well if the buses are still going that way, you are only adding the time of the odd added stop - a number of times they would be stopping anyway.  It's not like you would wait for the 66 to come along so I don't see it adding value in the way you describe.

Nah bro.

[somebody]

What do you mean?

[Gazza]

What do you mean?

Well, basically:



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The major advantage of this is freeing up the artic capable stop in KGSBS.  This should allow artics on the 330 or 340

So a successful well loaded inner city route gets cut to make space for inefficent duplicative ones from the 'burbs like the 330/340 which shouldn't be going further than Chermside/ feeding rail instead. Dumb.

[somebody]

Hey, if you want to keep your world's worst practice network, you can have it.  Much $ spent - mediocre outcomes.

As has been stated many times on this forum over the years, the 66 carries few at South Bank and Mater Hill.

[Gazza]

Hey, if you want to keep your world's worst practice network, you can have it. 

I knew you were going to say that.

Yep, you're right, and the majority who voted on this particular proposal are wrong on this one eh?
Saying no to one particular idea means that you overall support other aspects of the current network and current poor practice, by implication, does it?

Truncating the 66 is as bad of an idea as the Cleveland Solution, which is why the poll results on both proposals look uncannily similar..

[somebody]

Perhaps I overstated it slightly.  I'd be very surprised if Brisbane achieved better than the bottom decile across the world for anywhere with a comparable budget.

[somebody]

I think I'd want to see some sort of fact before I accepted that this was a good practice.

[Gazza]

And vice versa that the route is as barren as you say it is south of Roma St 

[Golliwog]

I don't see in what world it makes sense to call for routes like the 110, 125 to be taken out of the South Bank stretch and simultaneously call for the 66 to remain in it.

The way I see it, the logic behind the 66 is that having pax take up seats on the longer routes when they're only going within the inner few busway station is obviously ineffecient. Give them their own bus (the 66) and get more people on the longer routes who are actually going further south than the Gabba.

Well if the buses are still going that way, you are only adding the time of the odd added stop - a number of times they would be stopping anyway.  It's not like you would wait for the 66 to come along so I don't see it adding value in the way you describe.

It's the same logic behind why we want all the trains on the mains north of Bowen Hills to run express stopping only at Eagle Junction and Northgate: Those routes are longer distance and while people using them may want to go to the South Bank area, if you get these people to interchange and have the route then run express to the CBD, where the majority are heading then it's a win win.

[somebody]

It's the same logic behind why we want all the trains on the mains north of Bowen Hills to run express stopping only at Eagle Junction and Northgate: Those routes are longer distance and while people using them may want to go to the South Bank area, if you get these people to interchange and have the route then run express to the CBD, where the majority are heading then it's a win win.

For that argument to hold up you'd have to call for the main routes, e.g. 100, 200 to use the Captain Cook Bridge.

[somebody]

And vice versa that the route is as barren as you say it is south of Roma St 

Ever used it?

[Golliwog]

It's the same logic behind why we want all the trains on the mains north of Bowen Hills to run express stopping only at Eagle Junction and Northgate: Those routes are longer distance and while people using them may want to go to the South Bank area, if you get these people to interchange and have the route then run express to the CBD, where the majority are heading then it's a win win.

For that argument to hold up you'd have to call for the main routes, e.g. 100, 200 to use the Captain Cook Bridge.

Pretty much exactly what I was talking about HERE when I said:

As I was waiting for a train in the city after coming through the Gabba yesterday, I was just thinking about the routing of services from the southside. If they've got route 66, the purpose of which as I understand it is to be a distributor service along the inner section of the busway between the Gabba and RBH, I really think more of the routes that enter the busway at the Gabba shouldn't stay on it through Mater Hill and South Bank. I would support running most if not all of them via the CC bridge, which would help justify putting buslanes on the CC bridge.