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verbatim9

I noticed while in the USA they still have bike racks on front of the busses and allow bikes on Trams/Light Rail space permitting. There are special provisions being bike hooks inside near the rear and front doors of the Light Rail vehicle.

aldonius

Bike racks on the front of buses are pretty symbolic. Better I think to install more bike storage locations adjacent to more bus stops.

On trams and trains, we could probably fit some sort of wheel holder thing underneath some flip-up seats. Maybe on buses too if only one side is currently flip-up for wheelchairs.

Off- and counter-peak only, of course.



#Metro

Bicycle Racks were trialled in Brisbane on BT buses. They were expensive to buy and install and were not used that much.
Both secure and insecure bicylce parking expansion would be worth looking at.

There is a case for some space on trains and perhaps trams. If you want to make a Bike-Train-Bike type journey or a Bike-Tram-Bike Journey.

New trunk transport infrastructure should include corridors, so the Eastern Busway should have a corridor, and any rail extensions also. Shade may be an issue also, need trees lining the bike path to provide it.
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Stillwater

I think space for bicycles is provided on trains between Melbourne and regional centres, such as Ballarat and Bendigo.  Seem to recall going to Ballarat with a group of cyclists, who obviously intended a bike tour of the city before heading back to Melbourne on the train.

SurfRail

I suspect the main reason the bike rack thing failed was the fact it was so limited.

As I recall, it was only available on buses running on routes 427, 428, 432 and the GCL.  You had no guarantee a bike rack bus would show up, and if one of the equipped buses showed up on another route you couldn't use it.

It works in Canberra because nearly every bus in the fleet has one fitted - however even there they are only fitted to the standard length rigid buses (not the handful of midis or any of the 14.5ms or artics).
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#Metro

I remember it was rather expensive. How many people per day use it in Canberra?
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ozbob

External bicycle racks on buses is a noble idea.  The problem is of course the very limited capacity.  If you are not near the start of the bus route it is unlikely that you can always be sure that a free rack position will be available.   A better idea is more local bicycle storage facilities at major bus stops etc. as LD has mentioned.
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verbatim9

Quote from: SurfRail on August 23, 2015, 06:21:49 AM
I suspect the main reason the bike rack thing failed was the fact it was so limited.

As I recall, it was only available on buses running on routes 427, 428, 432 and the GCL.  You had no guarantee a bike rack bus would show up, and if one of the equipped buses showed up on another route you couldn't use it.

It works in Canberra because nearly every bus in the fleet has one fitted - however even there they are only fitted to the standard length rigid buses (not the handful of midis or any of the 14.5ms or artics).
Think it was on the 444 as well

verbatim9

Quote from: ozbob on August 23, 2015, 06:57:31 AM
External bicycle racks on buses is a noble idea.  The problem is of course the very limited capacity.  If you are not near the start of the bus route it is unlikely that you can always be sure that a free rack position will be available.   A better idea is more local bicycle storage facilities at major bus stops etc. as LD has mentioned.
Having bike provisions on the Gold Coast Light Rail would be an added bonus especially with the connection at Helensvale. Then cyclists can utilise the Coastal path from Southport instead of cycling all the way from the station

SurfRail

I would certainly support a pedestrian and cycling corridor as part of the extension to Helensvale.
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verbatim9

Definitely will advocate for a dedicated lit cycle way to be built along the corridor at the same time following the Light Rail all the way to the Hospital

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Dedicated bikeways are appearing slowly but more investment is needed as well as intersection upgrades with Bike green light priority to safely pull away ahead of traffic

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https://www.facebook.com/notes/brisbane-city-council/annerley-road-parking-changes-for-peak-hour-bike-lane-trial/972167882824675

Annerley Road parking changes for peak-hour Bike Lane trial

25 August 2015 at 10:51

Brisbane City Council wishes to advise of the following parking changes on Annerley Road, to facilitate the Annerley Road peak-hour bike lane trial.

An inbound clearway is now in effect from 6.00am to 9.00am Monday to Friday on Annerley Road between Stanley Street and Park Road.

An outbound clearway is now in effect from 4.00pm to 7.00pm Monday to Friday on Annerley Road between Stanley Street and Park Road.

Council will be conducting driver education during the transition period and will be enforcing the new peak-hour clearways.

Cyclists are encouraged to make use of the peak-hour bike lane trial which is now in operation.

For more information, visit www.brisbane.qld.gov.au or call Council on (07) 3403 8888.
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Quote from: ozbob on August 25, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
https://www.facebook.com/notes/brisbane-city-council/annerley-road-parking-changes-for-peak-hour-bike-lane-trial/972167882824675

Annerley Road parking changes for peak-hour Bike Lane trial

25 August 2015 at 10:51

Brisbane City Council wishes to advise of the following parking changes on Annerley Road, to facilitate the Annerley Road peak-hour bike lane trial.

An inbound clearway is now in effect from 6.00am to 9.00am Monday to Friday on Annerley Road between Stanley Street and Park Road.

An outbound clearway is now in effect from 4.00pm to 7.00pm Monday to Friday on Annerley Road between Stanley Street and Park Road.

Council will be conducting driver education during the transition period and will be enforcing the new peak-hour clearways.

Cyclists are encouraged to make use of the peak-hour bike lane trial which is now in operation.

For more information, visit www.brisbane.qld.gov.au or call Council on (07) 3403 8888.

Interesting that this was partly introduced due to poor Rebekka Meyer being run over by a truck but it wouldn't have helped her at all as she was going outbound like many travelling to uni through that way do at all times of day.

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verbatim9

That's an interesting development as that court district was deigned for thoroughfare for bicycles from South Brisbane to the Northern bikeway which is still to be completed. 

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Quote from: verbatim9 on August 26, 2015, 14:07:06 PM
That's an interesting development as that court district was deigned for thoroughfare for bicycles from South Brisbane to the Northern bikeway which is still to be completed.

A supreme court justice decided (presumably while grabbing a coffee downstairs) that the link between the tank st bikeway and the northern bikeway should be severed and thus it was. It's only bike transport after all.


verbatim9

All good now!  A compromise has been achieved you are allowed to ride through the court precinct @ 10kph

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Done and done (about 7 minutes to complete) - the survey is a bit detailed and has a strong focus on helmets and whether to wear them or not..... which for me is strange ... for me helmets prevent injury, it's the law and should be used ... but I am supportive of people not wearing helmets if they want to opt out....taking personal responsibility for any medical costs incurred as a consequence of any resultant head injury....

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hU0N

Quote from: ozbob on December 16, 2015, 11:20:59 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane City Council to announce cyclist clearways for Sylvan Road

I'm not sure what this trial is intended to discover.  Sylvan Road already has a dedicated bike lane on both sides, with (largely indented) marked parking bays to the kerbside of the bike lane. Prohibiting parking in the (largely indented) parking bays during peak hour is supposed to do what precisely?  It's not like any cyclists are going to zig zay in and out of each indented parking bay just because it's empty.  At best, it might give a bit extra width in the two short stretches where the parking bays aren't indented (ib between Milton Road and the Corner Store and ob between Earl Lane and the railway bridge), but I'd expect most cyclists would be hesitant to use even this extra width, given they prefer to stay somewhat away from the gutter for fear of punctures.

On Annerley Road (which has no bike lanes) the trial stands to uncover whether or not adding bike lanes could make the road safer for cyclists.

On Sylvan Road, about the only thing you might discover is that locating the bike lane between traffic lanes and parking is dangerous to cyclists.  But if that's the case, why not just bite the bullet and put the bike lanes between the parking and the kerb (a la Sydney)?  It's not like you'd need any extra road space (the road reserve already accomodates two rows of parking bays, two bike lanes and two lanes of general traffic).  You'd just reconfigure them (left to right) as kerb, I/B Bike, O/B Bike, parking, I/B traffic, O/B traffic, parking, kerb.

James

I think the reason for the Sylvan Road clearways is because of the high volume of traffic and incidents of car-dooring, particularly in the narrower section near Toowong SS (between Jephson St and Milton Rd in both directions). I think this is the main area of concern, rather than Sylvan Rd around the rail underpass.

I know it doesn't seem like it on Google Street View (or on a weekend/at night), but during the day when you've got staff for Toowong SS (and likely commuters too) all parking along Sylvan Rd, it becomes a really crowded road with a lot for a drivers (and cyclists) to focus on. It also easily gets banked back along the Toowong SS stretch due to the presence of the school and major intersections on either end of this short section of road. I know Sylvan Rd has been identified by BUGs in Brisbane as being a pretty awful stretch of road, so hopefully this will be a good step towards a safer road environment.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

newbris

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Quote from: James on December 16, 2015, 21:01:11 PM
I think the reason for the Sylvan Road clearways is because of the high volume of traffic and incidents of car-dooring, particularly in the narrower section near Toowong SS (between Jephson St and Milton Rd in both directions). I think this is the main area of concern, rather than Sylvan Rd around the rail underpass.

I know it doesn't seem like it on Google Street View (or on a weekend/at night), but during the day when you've got staff for Toowong SS (and likely commuters too) all parking along Sylvan Rd, it becomes a really crowded road with a lot for a drivers (and cyclists) to focus on. It also easily gets banked back along the Toowong SS stretch due to the presence of the school and major intersections on either end of this short section of road. I know Sylvan Rd has been identified by BUGs in Brisbane as being a pretty awful stretch of road, so hopefully this will be a good step towards a safer road environment.

Yes this. The existing lanes are those crappy BCC ones that leave many cyclists in the door zone of death. Barely any of the parking is indented enough.

40-50% of traffic on the road in peak is now cycle traffic.

Rather than discovering anything I think they are just avoiding the cost of reconfiguring the bike lane to be on the kerbside of the parked cars. BCC almost always go for the cheaper - green paint in door zone - solution.

hU0N

Quote from: newbris on December 16, 2015, 22:49:13 PM
Rather than discovering anything I think they are just avoiding the cost of reconfiguring the bike lane to be on the kerbside of the parked cars. BCC almost always go for the cheaper - green paint in door zone - solution.

Yeah. That's what I was getting at. That due to a more or less permanent case of didn't-think-of-it-here-itis, the BCC would shut down a bunch of car parks unnecessarily to avoid changing a frankly inadequate homegrown bike lane design to a best practice design that they didn't invent themselves.

Even when the road already has bike lanes the full length. Even when the road is easily wide enough to be reconfigured. And even when all it would take is some paint and a few hundred of those precast bolt down kerb sections.

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