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Patronage growth has stopped - graph

Started by somebody, March 12, 2012, 21:59:21 PM

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I had to estimate before 2008 from full year patronage.

Translink have not produced this in one graph.  I wonder why?  <sarcasm off>

I don't think fare rises explain it all, but they do explain a sizeable portion of the flattening off in growth.  Service expansion was pretty slow between July 2008 and May 2011, with only BUZ 140, 412 and CityGlider OTOH plus a few extra peak hour services.  I don't count the 88 as an improvement.

#Metro

Simon, what is the left axis label? Millions of trips? Journeys? People carried? Something else?
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Bus, passenger trips (millions)  ... ?
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SurfRail

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Jonas Jade

A guess: the GFC happened in 2009, so jobs growth slowed, so transit related to employment dropped/levelled??

somebody

Quote from: SurfRail on March 13, 2012, 11:13:17 AM
So what happened in 2008...
2009?  2008 grew quite strongly from 2007.

That was where the 11 trip weeklies bit.  So they say.

Quote from: Jonas Jade on March 13, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
A guess: the GFC happened in 2009, so jobs growth slowed, so transit related to employment dropped/levelled??
That too.

We also had a certain CEO who slowed down all improvements which were proceeding.

SurfRail

Quote from: Simon on March 13, 2012, 11:22:48 AMWe also had a certain CEO who slowed down all improvements which were proceeding.

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mufreight

Since the last fare increase there has effectively been an 11% drop in public transport usage.
Pathetic frequency, excessive fares and a lack of co-ordination of services are all contributing to the drop, yet Translink had forcast a useage growth of over 6% over a year, form your own opinion.

somebody

Quote from: mufreight on March 13, 2012, 17:24:00 PM
Since the last fare increase there has effectively been an 11% drop in public transport usage.
How do you figure this one?

Quote from: mufreight on March 13, 2012, 17:24:00 PM
Pathetic frequency, excessive fares and a lack of co-ordination of services are all contributing to the drop, yet Translink had forcast a useage growth of over 6% over a year, form your own opinion.
Where/when did they forecast this growth?

#Metro

We need a reference case. Saying that PT use dropped by X isn't that helpful when I think about it more.
There could be other factors such as job and economic ones as well that would affect PT trips AND car trips.

Does anyone have a source for comparison to trips on the road network that is regular?
Saying that PT usage increased by, say 5% when road trips increased by 100%, for example only, gives you an idea...

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Simon, does your graph take into account the modifications they made to the number of trips given to a weekly/monthly ticket?
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Quote from: Golliwog on March 13, 2012, 21:47:54 PM
Simon, does your graph take into account the modifications they made to the number of trips given to a weekly/monthly ticket?
No.  That data was never updated retrospectively to my knowledge.

Golliwog

Quote from: Simon on March 14, 2012, 07:06:39 AM
Quote from: Golliwog on March 13, 2012, 21:47:54 PM
Simon, does your graph take into account the modifications they made to the number of trips given to a weekly/monthly ticket?
No.  That data was never updated retrospectively to my knowledge.
Hmmm, might be worth asking them about it...
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BrizCommuter

Thanks for producing this graph. BrizCommuter has planned to produce something similar showing overlaid % fare increase/decrease over % fare increase. Unfortunately work/baby/studying have got in the way.

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