Cleveland Station works

[SurfRail]

https://secure.publicworks.qld.gov.au/etender/tender/display/tender-details.do?id=5622&action=display-tender-details

It appears a new entrance will be built in conjunction with fare gates being installed.

[Otto]

http://www.baysidebulletin.com.au/news/local/news/general/upgrade-to-start-on-cleveland-station/2563459.aspx

Upgrade to start on Cleveland station
JUDITH KERR
21 May, 2012 12:00 AM
PARKING will be at a premium at Cleveland train station for the next four months while the terminus undergoes a $1.2 million upgrade.

No date has been set for the start of the work but the revamp will start this month.

The work includes building a new entrance and ticket counter, installing new fare gates and lighting, upgrading the closed-circuit television system and renovating the toilets.

The biggest change will be the installation of fare gates.

Once they are installed, customers will have to use their go card or get their paper ticket verified by station staff to enter and leave the station.

"We expect the upgrade of Cleveland station to take about four months, weather permitting," a QR spokesman said.

"During that time, carparking could be impacted and customers may experience restricted access to the entrance of the station and the toilets.

"However, Queensland Rail will advise in advance. We hope customers will be patient while we build a better station," the spokesman said.

Cleveland station has CCTV cameras but extra cameras will be installed to cover the new entrance area.

Additional lighting will also be installed inside and outside the new entrance.

It will be the station's first major overhaul since 1987, when the line between Lota and Cleveland re-opened after it was closed in 1960.

The track from Manly to the original Cleveland station first opened in 1889.

That original Cleveland station was later renamed West Cleveland and then Cleveland Central after the track was extended in 1897.

Another station, called Raby Bay, near where the current station is, was opened in Cleveland in 1914.

[SurfRail]

As far as I am aware, this still only involves what is in front of the station - no change to the platforms (eg raising or resurfacing).

[Golliwog]

As far as I am aware, this still only involves what is in front of the station - no change to the platforms (eg raising or resurfacing).

Wouldn't either or both of those require a temporary platform (ie: what they did at Ferny Grove) or closing it temporarily (ie: what they did at South Brisbane)?

[SurfRail]

As far as I am aware, this still only involves what is in front of the station - no change to the platforms (eg raising or resurfacing).

Wouldn't either or both of those require a temporary platform (ie: what they did at Ferny Grove) or closing it temporarily (ie: what they did at South Brisbane)?

I would assume so.  Cleveland would still need 2 operating platforms throughout.

[mufreight]

One would expect that since QR has used the term UPGRADE in respect of the works to be carried out at this station rather than REFURBISHMENT and since an assurance was given that all stations that received an UPGRADE would have the platforms raised it will be most interesting to see if this UPGRADE will in fact be that so as to make the station fully disability compliant or will it be like Oxley, Indoorpilly and Toowong, just another pretty up and addition of fare gates and little else.

[Golliwog]

I would assume so.  Cleveland would still need 2 operating platforms throughout.

Just out of curiosity, would they be able to do it with a single platform if they utilised crew swaps? I don't use the Cleveland line so I have little knowledge of where the single track sections are/how long they are.

[somebody]

I would assume so.  Cleveland would still need 2 operating platforms throughout.

Just out of curiosity, would they be able to do it with a single platform if they utilised crew swaps? I don't use the Cleveland line so I have little knowledge of where the single track sections are/how long they are.

It would be exceedingly tight on the present timetable.  Current dwells at Cleveland are 32 minutes.  These would become 2 minutes.   Perhaps if you moved the cross to Wellington Point it may be a bit more achievable.

[Golliwog]

Hold up, surely the dwells aren't 32 minutes in peak?

[somebody]

I meant off peak.

In the AM peak the 7:07 arrival would depart at 7:24 (with another train leaving at 7:10), 7:22 at 7:38, 7:50 at 8:10

[STB]

According to the WTT (the one before the last lot of minor changes) that fell off the back of a ute, these are the peak hour trains on the Cleveland line with turnbacks...

At Cleveland:

4:51am (depart Cleveland), formed by empty from Manly arrive Cleveland at 4:40am (11min turnback)
5:20am (depart Cleveland), formed by empty from Manly arrive Cleveland at 5:02am (18min turnback)
5:51am (depart Cleveland), formed by empty from Manly arrive Cleveland at 5:31am (20min turnback)
6:12am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 5:44am (28min turnback)
6:25am (depart Cleveland), formed by empty from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 6:03am (22min turnback)
6:42am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 6:24am (18min turnback)
6:55am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 6:37am (18min turnback)
7:10am (depart Cleveland), formed by empty from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 6:53am (17min turnback)
7:24am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 7:07am (17min turnback)
7:38am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 7:22am (16min turnback)
7:55am (depart Cleveland), formed by empty from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 7:35am (20min turnback)
8:10am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 7:50am (20min turnback)
8:25am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 8:22am (3min turnback - extra turnback crew used)
8:52am (depart Cleveland), formed by all stations train from Mayne/Bowen Hills arrive Cleveland at 8:49am (3min turnback - extra turnback crew used)

WTT = Working Train Timetable - the one used by train crew, train controllers, planners etc.

[somebody]

It's referred to as the WTT?

Railcorp have a standard wtt and a daily wtt.

[Golliwog]

So unless they can reliably squeeze the extra crew turn backs, I don't think you'd be able to run Cleveland using only one platform (even using Wellington Points as the passing point, it's 6 minutes each way, plus 3 minutes turnaround) on the current timetable. Tweak a few services to run a little earlier or later and you could, but then you have to slot these into the Beenleigh line and GC services. So if you were going to raise the platforms at Cleveland, you either need to install temporary platforms, or close it and bus-titute from Wellington Point.

[somebody]

So if you were going to raise the platforms at Cleveland, you either need to install temporary platforms, or close it and bus-titute from Wellington Point.

Yeah, I think that is what would be required.  Best done around Xmas time.

Perhaps you could still serve Ormiston, if there is a point in doing so.

[STB]

It's referred to as the WTT?

Railcorp have a standard wtt and a daily wtt.

Yes it's referred to as the WTT.  There is also DTP (Daily Train Planning) which is ad hoc trains that aren't scheduled in the WTT but are scheduled progressively over the year as required or requested.

[STB]

So if you were going to raise the platforms at Cleveland, you either need to install temporary platforms, or close it and bus-titute from Wellington Point.

Yeah, I think that is what would be required.  Best done around Xmas time.

Perhaps you could still serve Ormiston, if there is a point in doing so.

It is highly unlikely that turnbacks would be permitted at Ormiston.  The nearest turnback station is Wellington Point.