Are there too many bus routes in Brisbane?

[somebody]

Brisbane Transport operate 231 Translink bus routes (29, 66-476 excluding 240-299, 399 & 463).  Sydney buses operate 289 routes.  The former sees about 77 million boardings/year, the latter about 153 million boardings/year.  The latter has an average of 37.9 boardings per trip, the former do not publicise the number of trips/year.

Given that the size of the areas are comparable, I see a definite link in those stats.  There are far too many bus routes in Brisbane, particularly infrequent ones.

[Mr X]

Too many express services I think is a big issue. I can see why people from Mains Rd corridor go for the 130, you'd have to be a bus nut to know exactly where and when routes such as 131/133/135/137/141/142/153/155/156/157 etc. all depart from and go to. Merge!
230/231/232/235/236 can be easily merged into two bus routes, one via Story Bridge, the other via the Gabba.
111/160 merge
Get rid of routes such as 29, 202, 193

As TT would say- chainsaw it!

[Golliwog]

I would point out though that not all BT routes are within BCC boundaries. 396, 397 and 398 all spend most of their trip in Pine Rivers Shire (or Moreton Bay Regional Council I think it is now). The 399 also goes out to Samford and is only inside BCC boundaries for a few hundred metres, but the 399 is also operated by BBL, not BT.

[somebody]

202 is the only full time service for Chatsworth Rd.  You can't get rid of that one.

I'll update the OP for the 399.

[Mr X]

Change it's routing or give Chatsworth Rd to the 200!

[somebody]

Change it's routing or give Chatsworth Rd to the 200!

Agree!

Too many express services I think is a big issue. I can see why people from Mains Rd corridor go for the 130, you'd have to be a bus nut to know exactly where and when routes such as 131/133/135/137/141/142/153/155/156/157 etc. all depart from and go to. Merge!
230/231/232/235/236 can be easily merged into two bus routes, one via Story Bridge, the other via the Gabba.
111/160 merge
Get rid of routes such as 29, 202, 193

As TT would say- chainsaw it!

156/157 - merge
151/153 - merge
142/546 - merge
133 - probably shorten as the 137 now handles most of the route.  It is needed for Holland Park West in particular which would otherwise be without a peak hour rocket.
129/131 - probaby kill the 129, but then what about the Ridgewood Rd bit not served by the 131?

29 - maybe.

[#Metro]

230/231/232/235/236

Why does Bulimba need SO MANY bus routes?
And also Mt Ommaney/Riverhills?

Is it a co-incidence that both these locations have heaps and heaps of peak hour only routes but very little in
the way of line haul all day frequent services?

230 & 235 BUZzed is more than enough. And an express for such a short distance?
Send one via Valley and the other via Wooloongabba. Both can be BUZzed so that the split does not affect combined frequencies.

Look at New Farm - so simple to get there. It's either the 199 or the 196.
195 makes an appearance during peak for short runs.

475 can be terminated at Wooloongabba now that BUZ 100 covers Ipswich Road.

[somebody]

475 can be terminated at Wooloongabba now that BUZ 100 covers Ipswich Road.

FWIW, I'd be inclined to abolish the PA Hospital bit of the 475/6 for a route which runs RBH-PAH via Valley and Storey Bridge.  Not everything has to go to the CBD.  I was previously thinking of having this with the 370, but perhaps that isn't the best idea.

That would also reduce the urge to send the 375 via the Valley.

[david]

Thinking about the Brisbane West region:

458/459 could go - only runs a couple of trips per day and besides, the 457 works perfectly fine
461 MUST go - what a waste!

466 should only be kept for peak hour (to reduce dead-running and to meet every train at Richlands during peak) - extend 110 to Richlands Station full-time.

As I think of more, I'll update.

[HappyTrainGuy]

There's a pretty good amount of bus routes in Brisbane but the frequency, the idea that every route must go to the city and poor interchanges is what is killing them. For the northside boost the hourly routes to half hourly at the minimum (Should be across the entire network imo), cull more services at interchanges (When 330 is buzed cull 340 at Chermside interchange - no need for it when two buz routes serve Chermside interchange to the city to provide a Carseldine railway station to Chermside interchage. Cull the 335 at Chermside - combined with extending it to Boondall Railway station to replace the 328 to provide a Boondall railway station via Chermside/Taigum interchanges/Carseldine railway station/Boondall-Carseldine rail link which would be about a ~10 minute transfer + wait compared to going to Northgate), extend routes to terminate/connect to train stations (328? that obsecure route the 325/335 randomly do between Tagium and Boondal railway station, extend the 333 via Murphy/Ellison roads to terminate at the Chermside Markets) rollout longer capacity buses via the busway and remove the idea that 2 hour frequency bus routes are still acceptable to be run across the entire network (336/337/358).

[#Metro]

There aren't too many more bus routes to add before we have the minimum basic network to feed into.
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7072.0

Even 107/105 could be cut back to say, Stones Corner Busway turnaround. People would transfer at Park Road to frequent trains (Gold Coast/Cleveland/Beenleigh) of which there is 6tph frequency (a service every 10 minutes or so, more in peak). Of course this only will work if there is sufficient space on those services in peak. This also removes non-BUZ services from Cultural Centre.