19 Nov 2011: SEQ: 'BUZ off' to Bulimba and Balmoral parking woes!

[ozbob]

Media release 19 November 2011

SEQ: 'BUZ off' to Bulimba and Balmoral parking woes!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport commuters calls for a review and 'BUZification' of buses to Bulimba and Balmoral.

We have long argued that the fastest, cheapest way to improve the public transport system in Brisbane is a targeted, selective boost of services on fast arterial roads to properly link the CBD with the suburbs, and the suburbs with each other, and improvements in the rail service out of peak train frequency (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The latest kerfuffle about 'free parking' in Bulimba only further highlights the need for a BUZ (2). It is surprising that a built-up inner city suburb like Bulimba, with the cinema and popular restaurant district does not have a BUZ service. Comparable inner city suburbs such as West End, Newstead, New Farm and Paddington do, this is in addition to their CityCat services except for Paddington."

"We therefore call on Brisbane City Council and local business leaders to support a BUZ service to Bulimba and Balmoral, down Thynne and Riding roads. Parking and traffic is a problem in Bulimba. Let's get it fixed!"

'BUZification' is proven on the ground, with increases of 100% patronage recorded (3). These 'BUZifications', as part of a larger strategic Core Frequent Network, could potentially be completed (on buses) by the end of 2013, well before any heavy 'concrete' infrastructure projects listed in Connecting SEQ 2031 are completed, and for a fraction of the cost.

"Frequent bus services are good for people, good for business, and good for development."

"As RAIL Back On Track has always said, services must be frequent, bottom line!"

References:

1. Building a Core Frequent Network
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=5173.0

2. Motorists reject fees
http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/east/motorists-reject-fees/story-fn8m0sve-1226197610689
and http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/east/bulimba-follows-westfield-lead-on-paid-parking/story-fn8m0sve-1226176001327

3. BUZ, frequency and reliability, the winning formula
http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/2123/6058/1/thredbo10-themeA-Warren.pdf

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[Set in train]

Champion effort there!

[#Metro]

I went out to Bulimba on Thursday night

THE ENTIRE SUBURB IS PARKED OUT LIKE YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE

I kid you not! I encourage RailBot members to maybe go out and have a look one night on dinner or whatever.

Entire side streets are parked out all the way down. The whole place is busy with people going to the cinemas and restaurants

and yet there is no BUZ!!!

[O_128]

I went out to Bulimba on Thursday night

THE ENTIRE SUBURB IS PARKED OUT LIKE YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE

I kid you not! I encourage RailBot members to maybe go out and have a look one night on dinner or whatever.

Entire side streets are parked out all the way down. The whole place is busy with people going to the cinemas and restaurants

and yet there is no BUZ!!!

Agreed, Its unbelievable, and in the next year or so godward (?) street is turning into retail and commercial as well. the fact that there is no BUZ shows what is wrong with Brisbane as a whole, Oxford street is active 6am to 10pm 7 days a week. I would even advocate BUZing both the 230 (via story bridge) and the 235 ( kept the same). Im going to bulimba at some point in the next 2 days and will get photos.

[Jonno]

Bulimba is my local high street and it is just amazing that all the activity at night is supported by cars with public transport not a true option unless you force yourself to lock your your dining and cinema experience into the bus timetable.  Complete and utter failure by local and State Govt.

[O_128]

Bulimba is my local high street and it is just amazing that all the activity at night is supported by cars with public transport not a true option unless you force yourself to lock your your dining and cinema experience into the bus timetable.  Complete and utter failure by local and State Govt.

I would say that bulimba is busier than new farm most nights with the same level of housing density, unbelievable really.

[#Metro]

Agreed, Its unbelievable, and in the next year or so godward (?) street is turning into retail and commercial as well. the fact that there is no BUZ shows what is wrong with Brisbane as a whole, Oxford street is active 6am to 10pm 7 days a week. I would even advocate BUZing both the 230 (via story bridge) and the 235 ( kept the same). Im going to bulimba at some point in the next 2 days and will get photos.

That would be great! I thought about it but my camera only takes rubbish photos when it's dark.

[Golliwog]

And just out of interest, how many passengers will this be taking from the Citycat/Cross river ferry?

I understand the want for the BUZ, and agree it is needed, but you need to look to ensure it doesn't needlessly ruin the Citycat services. Citycat from Apollo Rd to Riverside is 32 minutes, or to North Quay 47 minutes. 230 from Apollo Rd to City Hall is 42 minutes or 56 minutes to Brunswick/Wickham St. The P231 can do Apollo Rd to City Hall in 39 minutes. While buses take longer, they can deliver you much closer to your destination so there would be a real risk of even more patronage being lost from the Citycats if you just BUZ a route and focus on taking passengers from Bulimba/Hawthorne to the City.

I'd vote for giving them the frequent service, but make sure it makes it much more attractive to change to a Citycat anywhere along the river there. I'd also suggest thinking about changing which terminal out of Norman Park and New Farm Park gets serviced by the Citycat.

[O_128]

about 10 people got off the city glider at 4pm today and proceeded to the city ferry

[Golliwog]

Also, another note on the ferry network, but correct me if I'm wrong but there are 19 Citycats, which each have the captain, a deckhand and a ticket seller. Cross river ferries are ignored in this count as they only have the one driver who also sells tickets. There are also 24 ferry terminals. Surely it must soon be getting to the point where it would be cheaper to operate the ferry network like the rail network with readers on the docks rather than the ferries. If you put gates up then you shift the ticket sellers to be stationary at the docks letting any paper ticket holders through/selling tickets to those who can't use the AVVM/spruiking go cards. You reduce the cost of running the ferry themselves, and the dockhand could also assist passengers once the ferry is moving an he'she is no longer required to tie up the ferry etc. You also reduce the problems with the readers on the boat being illegible due to fading from the spray, as well as damage to the equipment itself from the spray. You also increase the usefulness of the Citycat and Cross river ferries as they would be 1 leg of a journey instead of two like they would be now if you were to go up/down the river on the Citycat then cross it on the ferry. Just things to be considered.

[#Metro]

And just out of interest, how many passengers will this be taking from the Citycat/Cross river ferry?

I understand the want for the BUZ, and agree it is needed, but you need to look to ensure it doesn't needlessly ruin the Citycat services. Citycat from Apollo Rd to Riverside is 32 minutes, or to North Quay 47 minutes. 230 from Apollo Rd to City Hall is 42 minutes or 56 minutes to Brunswick/Wickham St. The P231 can do Apollo Rd to City Hall in 39 minutes. While buses take longer, they can deliver you much closer to your destination so there would be a real risk of even more patronage being lost from the Citycats if you just BUZ a route and focus on taking passengers from Bulimba/Hawthorne to the City.

I'd vote for giving them the frequent service, but make sure it makes it much more attractive to change to a Citycat anywhere along the river there. I'd also suggest thinking about changing which terminal out of Norman Park and New Farm Park gets serviced by the Citycat.

Last night I waited at South Bank station for a 230. I didn't see one at 6:30 pm, so I waited and waited and waited-- did you know that after 6:30pm there are no more 230 services!? You can only get 230 buses out of Bulimba, but not into it! Isn't that just RIDICULOUS!!! The 235 via Thynne Road (useless to where I wanted to go) drops to half then hourly.

Unbelievable!!!

Not everyone can get on that ferry. If the ferry service is so great, why bother providing any buses to that suburb? Seems almost like saying that we can't have 199 because at both ends there is a CityCat stop. The catchment area for the citycat stop is limited to 400 m - 800m around the terminal (with pax falling off exponentially as you get further away from it) plus if there was a decent bus people could use that as a feeder as well (just as some people use 199 as a feeder at both ends).

[#Metro]

Surely it must soon be getting to the point where it would be cheaper to operate the ferry network like the rail network with readers on the docks rather than the ferries. If you put gates up then you shift the ticket sellers to be stationary at the docks letting any paper ticket holders through/selling tickets to those who can't use the AVVM/spruiking go cards. You reduce the cost of running the ferry themselves, and the dockhand could also assist passengers once the ferry is

I like this idea, although the ferry only carries about 4 million or so trips per year, so in the scheme of things, would it be worth it?

[O_128]

And just out of interest, how many passengers will this be taking from the Citycat/Cross river ferry?

I understand the want for the BUZ, and agree it is needed, but you need to look to ensure it doesn't needlessly ruin the Citycat services. Citycat from Apollo Rd to Riverside is 32 minutes, or to North Quay 47 minutes. 230 from Apollo Rd to City Hall is 42 minutes or 56 minutes to Brunswick/Wickham St. The P231 can do Apollo Rd to City Hall in 39 minutes. While buses take longer, they can deliver you much closer to your destination so there would be a real risk of even more patronage being lost from the Citycats if you just BUZ a route and focus on taking passengers from Bulimba/Hawthorne to the City.

I'd vote for giving them the frequent service, but make sure it makes it much more attractive to change to a Citycat anywhere along the river there. I'd also suggest thinking about changing which terminal out of Norman Park and New Farm Park gets serviced by the Citycat.

Last night I waited at South Bank station for a 230. I didn't see one at 6:30 pm, so I waited and waited and waited-- did you know that after 6:30pm there are no more 230 services!? You can only get 230 buses out of Bulimba, but not into it! Isn't that just RIDICULOUS!!! The 235 via Thynne Road (useless to where I wanted to go) drops to half then hourly.

Unbelievable!!!

Not everyone can get on that ferry. If the ferry service is so great, why bother providing any buses to that suburb? Seems almost like saying that we can't have 199 because at both ends there is a CityCat stop. The catchment area for the citycat stop is limited to 400 m - 800m around the terminal (with pax falling off exponentially as you get further away from it) plus if there was a decent bus people could use that as a feeder as well (just as some people use 199 as a feeder at both ends).

yep apparently nobody lives in east brisbane, along wynnum road, norman park, morning side or hawthorne.

The O/B 235 does turn into an I/B 230 5 mins after terminating though which is just pathetic.

[#Metro]

yep apparently nobody lives in east brisbane, along wynnum road, norman park, morning side or hawthorne.

Nobody lives along Riding Road either (apparently)  .

There is a nice main arterial road there-- ideal for a CFN BUZ down there.

[#Metro]

Cars all the way down side streets - it shows up in Google Maps. Even West End you don't see this...

And this is just during the off-peak day... Bulimba is just one gigantic CAR PARK!

Stuart Street
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=bulimba&ll=-27.451238,153.060451&spn=0.006131,0.01501&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Bulimba+Queensland&gl=au&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-27.451339,153.058379&panoid=tvYg5i0HmtahdQGqmfA7KQ&cbp=12,193.97,,0,4.04

Godwin Street
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=bulimba&ll=-27.450895,153.056889&spn=0.003066,0.007505&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Bulimba+Queensland&gl=au&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-27.451124,153.056404&panoid=9-v4w-kjHd0FQYnPhFh1sA&cbp=12,178.26,,0,5.47

Princess Street
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=bulimba&ll=-27.45099,153.05807&spn=0.001533,0.003752&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Bulimba+Queensland&gl=au&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-27.45099,153.05807&panoid=EVlyNUNOWAxKe_nkyFeIGw&cbp=12,19.84,,0,2.06

Wambool Street
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=bulimba&ll=-27.451208,153.05922&spn=0.001533,0.003752&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Bulimba+Queensland&gl=au&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-27.451208,153.05922&panoid=fZXjUGWJ9DWc6l3kFPmQ8A&cbp=12,24.8,,0,1.48

Pine Street

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=bulimba&ll=-27.451367,153.060397&spn=0.003066,0.007505&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Bulimba+Queensland&gl=au&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-27.451367,153.060397&panoid=NJcJ0Tk2ocbFxzSWatXqXQ&cbp=12,18.15,,0,14.6

[somebody]

I want via Ivory St!

Warner St services can head to RBH as a cross town service.

[#Metro]

I want via Ivory St!

Warner St services can head to RBH as a cross town service.

What exactly does this have to do with a BUZ to Bulimba?

[somebody]

I want via Ivory St!

Warner St services can head to RBH as a cross town service.

What exactly does this have to do with a BUZ to Bulimba?

Plenty.  Adelaide St to Bulimba via Ivory St.  Obviously also via Story Bridge.

[Mr X]

yep apparently nobody lives in east brisbane, along wynnum road, norman park, morning side or hawthorne.

Ahh East Brisbane, the worst serviced area in inner Brisbane. Especially seeing as it's so close to the city!
I can recall times where the quickest way to get to the city was walk 1/2 HOUR to Woolloongabba bus station because at least there could be guaranteed a bus!
The 230/235 haven't had any sort of time table upgrade since before 2005!! Ideally, I'd like to see two BUZ routes. One via Riding Road and one via Thyne Road, and one via the Story Bridge and the other via South Bank, both to the city.

[Golliwog]

And just out of interest, how many passengers will this be taking from the Citycat/Cross river ferry?

I understand the want for the BUZ, and agree it is needed, but you need to look to ensure it doesn't needlessly ruin the Citycat services. Citycat from Apollo Rd to Riverside is 32 minutes, or to North Quay 47 minutes. 230 from Apollo Rd to City Hall is 42 minutes or 56 minutes to Brunswick/Wickham St. The P231 can do Apollo Rd to City Hall in 39 minutes. While buses take longer, they can deliver you much closer to your destination so there would be a real risk of even more patronage being lost from the Citycats if you just BUZ a route and focus on taking passengers from Bulimba/Hawthorne to the City.

I'd vote for giving them the frequent service, but make sure it makes it much more attractive to change to a Citycat anywhere along the river there. I'd also suggest thinking about changing which terminal out of Norman Park and New Farm Park gets serviced by the Citycat.

Last night I waited at South Bank station for a 230. I didn't see one at 6:30 pm, so I waited and waited and waited-- did you know that after 6:30pm there are no more 230 services!? You can only get 230 buses out of Bulimba, but not into it! Isn't that just RIDICULOUS!!! The 235 via Thynne Road (useless to where I wanted to go) drops to half then hourly.

Unbelievable!!!

Not everyone can get on that ferry. If the ferry service is so great, why bother providing any buses to that suburb? Seems almost like saying that we can't have 199 because at both ends there is a CityCat stop. The catchment area for the citycat stop is limited to 400 m - 800m around the terminal (with pax falling off exponentially as you get further away from it) plus if there was a decent bus people could use that as a feeder as well (just as some people use 199 as a feeder at both ends).

It's nothing like saying you can't have the 199 because there is a Citycat at both ends. For starters, between West End and Tenneriffe, the river is anything but direct. Also, the 199 serves Fortitude Valley which the Citycat can't get to. This however isn't about 199 vs. Citycat. Comparing the 230 with the Citycat, the ferry is faster, so if the bus network at Bulimba was set up as a feeder network (which can still have a bus to the city as part of it, just not designed to be as attractive as changing to the ferry. At 6.30pm the Citycat is running at 2-3bph. If there was a decent feeder network operating off the Citycat network it could still be operating at that time. The Citycats have a much larger capacity than a bus as well.

[#Metro]

It's nothing like saying you can't have the 199 because there is a Citycat at both ends. For starters, between West End and Tenneriffe, the river is anything but direct. Also, the 199 serves Fortitude Valley which the Citycat can't get to. This however isn't about 199 vs. Citycat. Comparing the 230 with the Citycat, the ferry is faster, so if the bus network at Bulimba was set up as a feeder network (which can still have a bus to the city as part of it, just not designed to be as attractive as changing to the ferry. At 6.30pm the Citycat is running at 2-3bph. If there was a decent feeder network operating off the Citycat network it could still be operating at that time. The Citycats have a much larger capacity than a bus as well.

Doesn't the 230 and 235 serve the valley as well? And they also go via the CBD?
Isn't it true that the CityGlider/199 compete for CBD-Valley-Tenneriffe Ferry trips?

just not designed to be as attractive as changing to the ferry.

What exactly does this mean?

My opinion is to BUZ down there... There are a lot of people at Wooloongabba that want to go down there (i.e. Me last night, O_128, Jonno), you have the Ips. Road Connections, Carindale Connections, SE busway connections at Mater Hill, UQ Connections (are you going to catch the ferry for that?) everything along Riding Road and Thynne Roads as well... nobody is going to get the ferry for that.

If a BUZ is put on (I don't like the slow section where it goes down a road with lots of speed humps) I think it will be pretty full as it takes people away from the car and parking hassles.

[Golliwog]

What exactly does this mean?

My opinion is to BUZ down there... There are a lot of people at Wooloongabba that want to go down there (i.e. Me last night, O_128, Jonno), you have the Ips. Road Connections, Carindale Connections, SE busway connections at Mater Hill, UQ Connections (are you going to catch the ferry for that?) everything along Riding Road and Thynne Roads as well... nobody is going to get the ferry for that.

If a BUZ is put on (I don't like the slow section where it goes down a road with lots of speed humps) I think it will be pretty full as it takes people away from the car and parking hassles.

That you design it to have stops adjacent to a ferry terminal, even if that takes it a bit off the main street. I'm not against the frequency, more against trying to make it get to the CBD as fast as possible. The ferry isn't that slow, and is fairly direct to the CBD, plus each ferry can carry something like 200-300 people can't they? Feed it with a bus that meets each and every ferry and see what happens!

Doesn't the 230 and 235 serve the valley as well? And they also go via the CBD?
Isn't it true that the CityGlider/199 compete for CBD-Valley-Tenneriffe Ferry trips?

First up, Citycat doesn't serve the Tenneriffe Ferry terminal. Second, Citycat doesn't serve the Valley, thus it can't compete for those trips. And I'd be interested to see the numbers who actually use Cityglider/199 from the CBD all the way to Tenneriffe AND cross the river on the ferry. I'd think most people doing that would be coming from the Valley.

[#Metro]

That you design it to have stops adjacent to a ferry terminal, even if that takes it a bit off the main street. I'm not against the frequency, more against trying to make it get to the CBD as fast as possible. The ferry isn't that slow, and is fairly direct to the CBD, plus each ferry can carry something like 200-300 people can't they? Feed it with a bus that meets each and every ferry and see what happens!

Hmm.. Journey time = waiting time + in vehicle time, so increasing the frequency will speed up journeys for a lot of people.

I understand your concern, but really, how you going to a "don't steal my passengers, you're a FERRY passenger" kinda thing?

People should just use whatever service is fastest for them. Some people will be going to UQ, South Bank etc, not just the CBD.

I can see what you're getting at, but really, if we wanted to section people off into "this mode and that mode" then we may as well
pass a law that says all cars must be fitted with 30 minute random car ignition delays "to encourage PT use".

Let it connect to the Ferry. Some people will use the bus to get to the Ferry, other people might swich because it is faster for them, so let them
have that faster trip.

In the future, the addition of more stops to the CityCat network will see a general degradation of speed on that. Express services (like the ones that
travel from Apollo Road or was it Northshore) to Riverside aren't going to be helpful as they don't have enough stops.

I think eventually two patterns, all day are required than the current stop-everywhere paradigm, along with the conversion of all cityferry stops to CityCat stops.

[#Metro]

I went to Bulimba for dinner a month ago-- and I actually caught the 199 and then I got the little ferry and then I walked all the way.

There were about four other people, but it was late (8pm).

CityCats will be at Tenneriffe soon.

http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/citycat-ferry-services/citycat-terminal-expansion-project/teneriffe-citycat-terminal/index.htm

[Golliwog]

I went to Bulimba for dinner a month ago-- and I actually caught the 199 and then I got the little ferry and then I walked all the way.

There were about four other people, but it was late (8pm).

CityCats will be at Tenneriffe soon.

http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/citycat-ferry-services/citycat-terminal-expansion-project/teneriffe-citycat-terminal/index.htm

But they're not now so that isn't particularly relevant.

1.Hmm.. Journey time = waiting time + in vehicle time, so increasing the frequency will speed up journeys for a lot of people.

2.I understand your concern, but really, how you going to a "don't steal my passengers, you're a FERRY passenger" kinda thing?

3.People should just use whatever service is fastest for them. Some people will be going to UQ, South Bank etc, not just the CBD.

4.I can see what you're getting at, but really, if we wanted to section people off into "this mode and that mode" then we may as well
pass a law that says all cars must be fitted with 30 minute random car ignition delays "to encourage PT use".

5.Let it connect to the Ferry. Some people will use the bus to get to the Ferry, other people might swich because it is faster for them, so let them
have that faster trip.

6.In the future, the addition of more stops to the CityCat network will see a general degradation of speed on that. Express services (like the ones that
travel from Apollo Road or was it Northshore) to Riverside aren't going to be helpful as they don't have enough stops.

7.I think eventually two patterns, all day are required than the current stop-everywhere paradigm, along with the conversion of all cityferry stops to CityCat stops.

1. I accept that.
2. Through how you design the bus routes. Make a bunch of the feeders that don't actually go to the city, but still provide a useful local service, say Bulimba to Carindale shops or something.
3. That they will, you can still have a service for them as well. I wouldn't be opposed to say route 29 being extended out that way. And yes they are, but part of the problem is that the bus can pick up way more people than the ferry because it can go anywhere on the road network, the ferry can't. The ferry can still provide a very decent service to many people as it's trip time is comparable to, or better than, the bus trip time. Plus it's a damn lot more reliable in terms of trip times.
4.WTF, stop blowing things out to extremes. My main issue is with this bus idea making the investment we have made in ferries worthless by robbing it all but entirely of patronage. Buses can have their routes changed with the stroke of a pen. You can shift where ferry terminals are, but at the end of the day, you cannot shift the path of the river (without massive enigneering anyway). You can't run a Citycat down Ipswich Rd.
5.Not directly opposed to this, but see my above comments.
6.I don't know of any plans for infill stops between current ones. Adding stops like Hamilton Northshore is different as it's making it a longer run, not making it stop more often in the existing run length.
7.Could be looked at, but you'd want to look at what trips people are actually making on the Citycat before doing that. Unless it's almost all CBD centric, you'd p%ss a lot of people off with this.

My main argument stems from (if you hadn't worked it out yet) the fact that Citycats are severely limited in their run paths. They can only run on the river. RBOT always talk about running buses in competition to rail being a terrible idea, so why is this any different? In those cases some people could probably have a faster trip on the bus than the train too.

[Gazza]

BOT always talk about running buses in competition to rail being a terrible idea, so why is this any different? In those cases some people could probably have a faster trip on the bus than the train too.

I dont see the issue. A BUZ to Bulimba would go via Riding Rd right? Over its length, it is 900m from the river, so Citycat and this wouldn't even be serving the same catchments.

[O_128]

People are missing the point, Its not about the destination but the journey. We need to get rid of this city centric view.  The city cat is virtually useless unless you live within 800m,

Id say a Buz 230 via the gabba, connecting bulimba commercial, riding road commercial, east brisbane, Gabba and connecting services then CC.

And a 235 via the story bridge.

I'd also terminate the 230 at bulimba city cat and extend the 235 to there to give a similar set up to teneriffe.

[O_128]

When I'm In sydney I live in Mosman, about 6km from the city no rail, similar demographics and similar density, here is the timetable there.



Bit of a contrast hmm? and the buses are always full.

A similar scenario would be 230 and 235 BUZED and the 232 redone and turned into a carindale bus

[Arnz]

I see Sydney also uses HASTUS along with most of their other cities.

[somebody]

O_128, Clearly a stop not served by the L80, L85, L90 or any other limited stops route.

An equivalent stop might be Chasely St on Coro.

EDIT: Or maybe it is the 'other' Military/Belmont intersection which those route do not pass.  If so, Spit Jn isn't far away and service there is awesome.

[O_128]

O_128, Clearly a stop not served by the L80, L85, L90 or any other limited stops route.

An equivalent stop might be Chasely St on Coro.

EDIT: Or maybe it is the 'other' Military/Belmont intersection which those route do not pass.  If so, Spit Jn isn't far away and service there is awesome.

Those buses serve further north, Military road turns into mosman while military road becomes spit road. 10mins is fine for me as I usually can't be bothered to walk up to spit junction for better service. Biggest issue is paper tickets

[#Metro]

Went again to Bulimba tonight for dinner, got off the SE Busway, thought I'd get a ferry due to the low frequency of 230/235 (half hour wait, why bother) but ended up catching CityGlider to Tenneriffe then ferry then walk across, took ~1 hour 15 minutes (hmm, maybe I should have just waited at W'gabba for the half hourly bus)

The walk from the CityCat stop to the main strip is too far for the CityCat to be really useful. We need the BUZ.

[#Metro]

Went to see a movie at Balmoral on Tuesday. Cost is only $8.50 for an adult!

Knowing that 230 was half hourly and that I could wait half an hour, i chose to transfer to a cityglider (wait = 2 min) and then go through the city and valley and then cross at tenneriffe (wait = 5 min). The walk from the ferry to where the cinema is isn't at all short and most people probably drive to it for this reason.

That cinema has hundreds of seats, place was absolutely packed and naturally the entire suburb was parked out from that. I had gone with some colleagues and yep, guess what - they spent a lot of time circling around trying to find a park. I got a lift home with them at 10 pm, place was still parked out and they had parked really really far down one of the side streets.

Perhaps one bus could go via Story Bridge (235/Thynne?) and the other via Wooloongabba (230/Riding?).

Time to BUZ this bus route!

[#Metro]

Let's do it!

230 Bulimba BUZ
via Oxford Street

[O_128]

Perhaps one bus could go via Story Bridge (235/Thynne?) and the other via Wooloongabba (230/Riding?).

Time to BUZ this bus route!

My thinking to

[Golliwog]

So the problem with your trip was the link between Bulimba ferry terminal and the Hawthorne cinemas (haven't been there since I was a kid!), so the solution is to make a BUZ to the city? What about setting up feeders? I'm not saying a decent route from this area to the CBD/Valley wouldn't be useful or needed, but the problem you had and your solution don't match. If going around via Cityglider and the cross river ferry was such a hassle you would have just waited for the 230.

[Mr X]

One key thing we've missed:
GET RID OF THE USELESS STOPS!

Three bus stops on Heidelburg St is too much!

[#Metro]

So the problem with your trip was the link between Bulimba ferry terminal and the Hawthorne cinemas (haven't been there since I was a kid!), so the solution is to make a BUZ to the city? What about setting up feeders? I'm not saying a decent route from this area to the CBD/Valley wouldn't be useful or needed, but the problem you had and your solution don't match. If going around via Cityglider and the cross river ferry was such a hassle you would have just waited for the 230.

I'm a regular visitor to Bulimba. When I'm on the busway I have a few choices.

I can change at Mater Hill and wait up to half an hour for bus 230, but if it is after 6.30 pm there is actually no way to get a bus into Bulimba that goes down Oxford Street as it is "exit only" the suburb (ridiculous, what year is this, 1900?).

I can change at Cultural Centre or South Bank and walk through the parklands (10 min walk) and wait 15 minutes to catch a slow CityCat ferry. (10 min walk + 15 minute wait = 25 minutes, almost half an hour again)

OR I can change at Cultural Centre to catch a bus that terminates at Tenneriffe Ferry (BUZ 199/CityGlider) wait about 2 - 5 minutes and then get a ferry across (wait 2-5 minutes) and walk (long walk).

Either way I am looking at about an hour to get to a Suburb that is what 3-4 km from the CBD? What a waste of time!

I choose to go via the CityGlider because I know the connection is guaranteed and the bus is there. After 6.30 pm there is no bus? Not useful I want to go to the movies or dinner that night? No wonder the entire precinct is parked out to the max.

If there was a BUZ, I could just get a bus and wait 15 min max and off it would go, you'd get all the SE Busway / UQ / Wooloongabba / Ipswich Road connections plus 400 series connections at Cultural centre which you can't get on the Ferry. East Brisbane would get a BUZ, everyone along wynnum and riding road would get frequent service... these people don't really have decent access to the Citycat.

[#Metro]

So the problem with your trip was the link between Bulimba ferry terminal and the Hawthorne cinemas (haven't been there since I was a kid!), so the solution is to make a BUZ to the city? What about setting up feeders? I'm not saying a decent route from this area to the CBD/Valley wouldn't be useful or needed, but the problem you had and your solution don't match. If going around via Cityglider and the cross river ferry was such a hassle you would have just waited for the 230.

Put forward a proposal and a map?

[#Metro]

Hmm... the current 230 (correct if I'm wrong) goes via Bulimba Street- I would suggest that it go via Kenbury Street and a bus stop be added near the entrance road to what appears to be a very large, recent, dense development.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=204350325552490639956.0004b5332628d18b83246&msa=0&ll=-27.443773,153.055687&spn=0.003094,0.010943