Redcliffe Peninsula Line [was MBRL (Petrie to Kippa Ring)]

[verbatim9]

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Wierd how they made the correlation with the Ekka and show bags in hand. Maybe to get people to test run the service?

[HappyTrainGuy]

Should be called the Kippa Ring line.

Moreton Bay line is not specific enough in terms of location....The Cleveland line runs along Moreton bay too right?

The "Gold Coast" line makes sense.....People popularly know that Robins for instance is on the Gold Coast.

On the other hand, places like Kippa Ring and Rothwell aren't popularly known to be part of a region called 'moreton bay'...
Theyd call it "Redcliffe Peninsula" or "The Peninsula"

Caboolture and Samford are part of Moreton Bay....... regional council

More than likely publically it will be called the Kippa Ring Railway Line due to Kippa Ring being the terminus. The Gold Coast line is the only one that differs as it is constantly expanding/changing its terminus.

[ozbob]

Yo, the lines are named after the terminal stations, two exceptions Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast lines.

Kippa-Ring it is ... to be consistent.

[#Metro]

The train frequency is not that great to start with. Half hourly, which is not much better than the buses the trains replace. Not that much service bang from $1 BN, at least for now.

We can't be sure about the show bags either - entirely possible BCC will run competing rocket buses parallel to train lines as they have in years past!

[Arnz]

We can't be sure about the show bags either - entirely possible BCC will run competing rocket buses parallel to train lines as they have in years past!

Entire Moreton Bay rail link falls within the MBRC boundaries, thus not within BCC/BT's jurisdiction.

[HappyTrainGuy]

We can't be sure about the show bags either - entirely possible BCC will run competing rocket buses parallel to train lines as they have in years past!

Entire Moreton Bay rail link falls within the MBRC boundaries, thus not within BCC/BT's jurisdiction.

And the Petrie-City pattern bypasses the majority of BCC stations. Many of which don't even have buses that interchange or go past them.

[James]

We can't be sure about the show bags either - entirely possible BCC will run competing rocket buses parallel to train lines as they have in years past!

That would imply that BCC has to serve the heathens non-BCC residents with bus services. It is possible (as happened with the Logan Hyperdome/Beenleigh Ekka buses), but I don't see it as likely. I think TransLink has very much reigned in a lot of BCC's Ekka bus waste.

[Old Northern Road]

Obviously should be called the Kippa-Ring line

On a related note can people stop referring to the North Coast Line as the Sunshine Coast line. It doesn't go anywhere near the Sunshine Coast. Landsborough is nearly 20km away from Caloundra. Imagine the confusion if a tourist were to ever use the line.

Call it the Nambour line.

[STB]

Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast make obvious choices since they are cities of their own pretty much and are known in general and cover a wide area for their respective names, so it makes sense to have a Gold Coast Line and a Sunshine Coast Line.  It makes no sense to call the Kippa Ring Line the Moreton Bay Line as that's not really a region in itself, and if it was, that could arguably include Caboolture, yet they are two distinct lines servicing different areas and demographics, which just simply confuses things IMO.

Kippa Ring Line is my vote.

[techblitz]

i was thinking more along the lines of the actual bay itself.....
On the peninsula theres 3 bays....deception above...bramble below and moreton bay right in the middle with kippa-ring terminating only about 2-3km from the actual bay..with the feeder bus having you there in as little as 10 mins....which definitely beats gold coast/sunshine coasts in terms of access times.........
I would like it to be called moreton bay line.....but more than likely it will be called kippa-ring....

[Gazza]

erminating only about 2-3km from the actual bay

But shorncliffe is only 500m from Moreton bay, and Cleveland is 900m from moreton bay, so both these lines have closer access to the bay than a supposed "Moreton Bay" line.

[SurfRail]

Obviously should be called the Kippa-Ring line

On a related note can people stop referring to the North Coast Line as the Sunshine Coast line. It doesn't go anywhere near the Sunshine Coast. Landsborough is nearly 20km away from Caloundra. Imagine the confusion if a tourist were to ever use the line.

Call it the Nambour line.

I would suggest that a tourist would be better served knowing the train goes to "the Sunshine Coast" than Nambour, that internationally renowned metropolis of the Blackall Range.

[hU0N]

Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast make obvious choices since they are cities of their own pretty much and are known in general and cover a wide area for their respective names, so it makes sense to have a Gold Coast Line and a Sunshine Coast Line.  It makes no sense to call the Kippa Ring Line the Moreton Bay Line as that's not really a region in itself, and if it was, that could arguably include Caboolture, yet they are two distinct lines servicing different areas and demographics, which just simply confuses things IMO.

Kippa Ring Line is my vote.

Moreton Bay is a region in itself actually. It's the region encompassing the Logan, Redland, Brisbane, Ipswich and MBRC council areas (broadly speaking, the county of Stanley). Of course that only serves to strengthen your point.

Whatever way you look at it, the name Moreton Bay doesn't really denote Redcliffe specifically. In terms of the namesake council, both the Caboolture and Redcliffe lines run into the council area, while the Shorncliffe and Ferny Grove lines run feeders into the council area.

In terms of the bay itself, commercial access to the bay is via Victoria Point, which is miles away. Ferry access is via, Victoria Point, Cleveland, Lytton and Pinkenba. Some of which ARE accessible by rail, but not the "Moreton Bay Line". Private boat access is overwhelmingly via Manly. The Manly harbour alone berths five times more boats than the entire Redcliffe peninsula. The only place that the peninsula gets a look in is swimming. And yes, if you are looking to swim in Moreton Bay, Margate would definitely be a top two choice. But with other, better beaches close by, surely people traveling by train to Margate for a swim is a minute demographic.

In terms of whether the area around Redcliffe has had a special association with the name Moreton Bay, I don't know enough history to say that it never has. But if it has, it isn't especially unique in this regard either. "Southern Moreton Bay" is still currently used officially for the easternmost portion of the Redlands council area. "Bayside" is used customarily for the Wynnum / Manly area. "Moreton" was used officially for the western and southern suburbs of Ipswich up until 20 years ago, and is still used customarily to describe these suburbs, along with the term "West Moreton". Again, all of these regions have their own railway lines not called the "Moreton Bay Line".

So yeah, I totally agree that naming the Kippa-Ring line the "Moreton Bay Line" would be unhelpfully non-specific and possibly confusing for new or occasional users of the system.

[Fares_Fair]

Obviously should be called the Kippa-Ring line

On a related note can people stop referring to the North Coast Line as the Sunshine Coast line. It doesn't go anywhere near the Sunshine Coast. Landsborough is nearly 20km away from Caloundra. Imagine the confusion if a tourist were to ever use the line.

Call it the Nambour line.

I would suggest that a tourist would be better served knowing the train goes to "the Sunshine Coast" than Nambour, that internationally renowned metropolis of the Blackall Range.

Indeed, concur.

[Arnz]

I also have to concur with SR and FF. 

Most backpacker tourists/student tourists/budget income tourists tend to hold SC tourist guides and/or TransLink journey planner print outs stating to change at Landsborough then hop on a 605 or 615 to whichever SC suburb they are staying at for their duration of their stay. (or change to a 600 or 620 if going north of the terminuses).

[SteelPan]

More broadly on the issue of "naming" lines, whilst happy to see lines retain their traditional "destination" names. I'd also like like to see Translink seriously consider colour coding line services, ie, red line, green line, blue line etc. This is a very sensible and common practice, assisting people better navigate the system.  Local names are great for those who know SE Qld well, for visitors and tourists, a colour or number is always helpful.

eg
Ipswich, Red line
Springfield, Purple line
Gold Coast, Gold line
etc
etc

[SurfRail]

More broadly on the issue of "naming" lines, whilst happy to see lines retain their traditional "destination" names. I'd also like like to see Translink seriously consider colour coding line services, ie, red line, green line, blue line etc. This is a very sensible and common practice, assisting people better navigate the system.  Local names are great for those who know SE Qld well, for visitors and tourists, a colour or number is always helpful.

eg
Ipswich, Red line
Springfield, Purple line
Gold Coast, Gold line
etc
etc

They aren't already?

[nathandavid88]

^^ They are, but I think SteelPan means naming the lines "Red Line" over Ferny Grove/Beenleigh Line, "Gold Line" over "Airport/Gold Coast Line, etc. And I think my previous sentence illustrates one of the core issues with this idea – the colours currently refer to services running in two directions towards two different terminus locations. How do we easily differentiate a "Red Line" service to Beenleigh and a "Red Line" service to Ferny Grove in a way that doesn't end up being the current terminology just with "X Line" added to it? If it just ends up like that, I would argue why bother in the first place.

[ozbob]

The present system is fine by me. Proper names with a secondary colour coding for timetable/signage etc.

Kippa-Ring is the appropriate name.

Seriously, I think there are much bigger issues to worry about 

[Gazza]

Sydney has it right...Eg T4 eastern suburbs line.

So in Brisbane you might have the T1 Ipswich line.

But it's not a biggie....London doesn't use line numbering, just names like "Bakerloo line"

[verbatim9]

The present system is fine by me. Proper names with a secondary colour coding for timetable/signage etc.

Kippa-Ring is the appropriate name.

Seriously, I think there are much bigger issues to worry about 

I would like to see coloured trains on the network. Maybe wrap advertising can have an input.

Sydney has it right...Eg T4 eastern suburbs line.

So in Brisbane you might have the T1 Ipswich line.

But it's not a biggie....London doesn't use line numbering, just names like "Bakerloo line"

[ozbob]

Trains are not confined to a single line around SEQ.  They run all over ...

[red dragin]

The present system is fine by me. Proper names with a secondary colour coding for timetable/signage etc.

Kippa-Ring is the appropriate name.

Seriously, I think there are much bigger issues to worry about 

And not all green trains run to Ipswich, some terminate at Roma Street.

[#Metro]

And not all green trains run to Ipswich, some terminate at Roma Street.

Rainbow. On all trains. That way, all lines covered 

[ozbob]

Everything is covered ... Docklands Light Rail



Note:  windows clear 

[SurfRail]

Identifying lines by colour name isn't exactly helpful in a geographical sense so what's the use?

"This is the Red Line service to Ferny Grove."

"This is the Red Line service to Beenleigh."

Then again the DLR as pictured above survives without route numbers or line names.

[verbatim9]

Everything is covered ... Docklands Light Rail



Note:  windows clear 

Doesn't really matter if some Windows are covered with wrap advertising. As long as next stop Pids and audio are operational inside the vehicle. Which means Windows can't be partially covered over in Qld because of Audio Pids in busses and some trains not operational.

[ozbob]

err adwrap is a scourge .. it is irrelevant if there is onboard information or otherwise.  Vehicles have windows for a reason. Some jurisdictions treat passengers with some courtesy, others couldn't care less.

You can carry on this inane discussion here > http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

[Fares_Fair]

At least they aren't disqualifying it if an acronym ...  oh wait.

Kippa Ring line it is, but is that an oxymoron?  :-)

[#Metro]

Well we have had BaT, BUM and CRR1 and CRR2 so I would propose KRR as the acronym. 

[verbatim9]

Well we have had BaT, BUM and CRR1 and CRR2 so I would propose KRR as the acronym. 

"Red" for Redcliffe line

[HappyTrainGuy]

 I'm amazed that this pointless conversation is still going.

[Gazza]

If you wanted to have coloured trains, you'd just do a strip of LEDs along the side, given trains in SEQ aren't line bound.

But that's still a pointless bit of wankery right?

[SteelPan]

Just to clarify, the "colour coding" of a rail line, need have ZERO to do with the physical colouring of the rolling stock on it.  The corridor is simply given a "colour", as it gives a quick standard reference point, to any and everyone, to reference the service they are after.

For example, if a person wants to go to "Station X", they simply need to catch the Orange Line, if they want to go to "Station B", they simply need to catch the Blue Line etc. Place names, just like in grand-pops day, can STILL be used, but many people are not instantly familiar with them.

It's not the beginning or end of the world, but it can discussed.

[SurfRail]

What actual advantage does using a colour confer over a geographical name?

Any station on only one line can be more accurately and easily described by the name of the line.

Any person headed to a station on a shared stretch such as Oxley would not be aided in their navigation by being given multiple colours.

[ozbob]

If you wanted to have coloured trains, you'd just do a strip of LEDs along the side, given trains in SEQ aren't line bound.

But that's still a pointless bit of wankery right?

Right!   

[achiruel]

Sydney has it right...Eg T4 eastern suburbs line.

No, Sydney has it terribly confusing. How many places could you end up if you take a train on the T1 line?

[nathandavid88]

I don't see there really being any advantage in adopting colour-coded names for the lines. Many of the geographic line names have been in use for well over 100 years now and it's pretty ingrained for regular users which lines go where, while for visitors and occasional users, QR uses the current secondary colour-coding scheme as a further visual cue on maps and displays. As far as I'm concerned, this scheme works fine and I really don't see any need to ditch the current 100 year old line naming convention for a scheme that could end up confusing people.

Like I said before, if we kept the current colour-coding, the name "Red Line" by itself doesn't differentiate between Ferny Grove and Beenleigh, nor "Green Line" between Ipswich and Caboolture. To accurately describe the destination, announcements and displays would still need to say "Red Line – All stations to Beenleigh" or "Green Line – All Stations to Ipswich", which really doesn't provide any additional descriptive value over the status quo.

It's just a change for the sake of being a change.

[Fares_Fair]

If you wanted to have coloured trains, you'd just do a strip of LEDs along the side, given trains in SEQ aren't line bound.

But that's still a pointless bit of wankery right?

Right!   

Lol

[Fares_Fair]

If you wanted to have coloured trains, you'd just do a strip of LEDs along the side, given trains in SEQ aren't line bound.

But that's still a pointless bit of wankery right?

Right!   

Lol