Myki - articles and discussion

[ozbob]

Myki and V/Line, latest ...

--> http://www.vline.com.au/fares-and-tickets/tickets/myki.html

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Twitter

Daniel Bowen ‏@danielbowen

Blog: How much would it cost to re-write the #Myki software to make it as fast as other cities' smartcards? http://www.danielbowen.com/2013/09/25/refactor-myki/ ...

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> International uni students choosing myki trips over meals

[ozbob]

Footnote:  my present myki expires Dec this year, so ordered a new one online.  Arrived today by mail.

To transfer the credit on old to new have to submit paper form and send in old myki. 

Apparently a lot of early myki cards expire Dec 2013.

[somebody]

What an awesome system.  I cannot think of a single positive feature of myki.

[SurfRail]

The only one I can think of is that it will operate all across the state.  It's a very suboptimal product though.

[ozbob]

Footnote:  my present myki expires Dec this year, so ordered a new one online.  Arrived today by mail.

To transfer the credit on old to new have to submit paper form and send in old myki. 

Apparently a lot of early myki cards expire Dec 2013.

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PTUA ‏@ptua 12m

HS: 165,000 #Myki cards set to expire by the end of this year - call for replacement process to be streamlined http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/commuters-to-need-a-new-myki-as-exsiting-cards-set-to-expire/story-fnii5sms-1226731819125 ...

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Transport discounts for international students

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News.com.au --> Cheaper penalty offer for transport cheats

FARE dodgers will be able to pay a cheaper on-the-spot fine of $75 in a crackdown on a growing army of public transport freeloaders.

The State Government says legislation being introduced to Parliament today will speed up enforcement, so ticket inspectors can catch more cheats.

Latest figures show fare evasion has spiked since the $1.5 billion myki system became the only ticket in town.

Fare evasion jumped to 11.9 per cent - an increase of 2.5 percentage points - in the most recent survey for the six months to May.

The problem costs taxpayers about $60 million a year.

Train, tram and bus operators have been briefed on the plan, due to begin in early 2014.

Public Transport Minister Terry Mulder said the existing system required too much administration.

"Honest commuters would rather see their fellow fare cheats pay up,'' he said.

"If everyone paid their way, more money could be invested in the public transport network," Mr Mulder said.

Public Transport Victoria said last year ticket inspectors were issuing an average of only one fine per shift, and needed to be more efficient.

More than 155,000 fines were issued last year.

PTV CEO Ian Dobbs said the new approach would give inspectors greater flexibility.

"We think there are a lot of people out there who, if they've made a mistake, would much rather just deal with it and put it down to a lesson - that they really do need to make sure they touch on,'' Mr Dobbs said.

"This is another weapon in our armoury against the scourge of fare evasion.

"We need to give our staff as much opportunity as we can to reduce fare evasion,'' he said.

Under the plan, commuters who hitch a free ride would be given the option of paying a lesser $75 fine immediately by cash or credit or debit card, rather than the full $212 infringement.

A zone 1-2 daily ticket costs $11.84.

Mr Dobbs said he believed most people would pay by credit card.

Ticket inspectors would carry mobile EFTPOS terminals to gather fines.

Commuters who take the on-the-spot hit would not have to provide inspectors with their names and addresses.

The new fines would be issued only to adults and only for certain offences.

An Auditor-General's report found fewer fines were issued in 2010 when myki was being introduced.

Fare evasion rates hit a low of 7.8 per cent in 2008 before peaking again at 13.5 per in early 2011.

[#Metro]

I really like this idea, this is something we should do for SEQ IMHO.
I think it should be $70 or $100 if done in QLD so it is easy to pay by cash.
No record either. Excellent.

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Spot fines put ticket inspectors in danger: union

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Melbourne Age --> State warned on myki fines

Fines issued under Victoria's myki system have never been contested in court, amid claims the government has been forced to waive infringement notices because the troubled technology cannot withstand legal scrutiny.

The Department of Transport, Planning and Local Infrastructure has been warned by staff that a successful legal challenge could undermine the integrity of the $1.5 billion ticketing system, which has operated for more than three years ...

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-warned-on-myki-fines-20131207-2yyfb.html

[ozbob]

Twitter

The Myki User. ‏@themykiuser

Blogpost: Four years of myki - a history. http://themykiuser.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/four-years-of-myki-history.html ... #mykimoment

[ozbob]

News.com.au --> One year after it became our only ticketing system, public transport users say ... fix this myki mess

[techblitz]

Heraldsun.com.au --> Security boost after myki theft blowout



Translink avm"s seem to have a better track record than the myki machines...

[ozbob]

Herald Sun --> Bus passengers face early expiry of myki cards

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Melbourne Age --> Myki 'main cause of complaints' to public transport watchdog

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Melbourne Age --> 'Freeloaders' targeted in fare evasion campaign

[ozbob]

Herald Sun --> Commuters in Melbourne's outer suburbs to see public transport costs slashed by up to $1200 a year in proposed changes by State Government

EXCLUSIVE: COMMUTERS in Melbourne's outer suburbs would see the cost of travelling to work by train slashed by up to $1200 a year under sweeping changes proposed by the State Government in the lead-up to November's election.

The radical changes, being unveiled today ahead of the State Budget, would cap maximum daily fares at the Zone 1 rate across Melbourne's entire tram, rail and bus network.

And CBD and Docklands trams would be free under the changes, due to take effect on New Year's Day.

The cost of the windfall, to be funded in the May Budget, has been estimated at $100 million a year ...

More --> here!

Wow, the pork barrel is well and truly rolling down south ...

[BrizCommuter]

Herald Sun --> Commuters in Melbourne's outer suburbs to see public transport costs slashed by up to $1200 a year in proposed changes by State Government

EXCLUSIVE: COMMUTERS in Melbourne's outer suburbs would see the cost of travelling to work by train slashed by up to $1200 a year under sweeping changes proposed by the State Government in the lead-up to November's election.

The radical changes, being unveiled today ahead of the State Budget, would cap maximum daily fares at the Zone 1 rate across Melbourne's entire tram, rail and bus network.

And CBD and Docklands trams would be free under the changes, due to take effect on New Year's Day.

The cost of the windfall, to be funded in the May Budget, has been estimated at $100 million a year ...

More --> here!

Wow, the pork barrel is well and truly rolling down south ...

Odd that the free zone excludes the stop for Crown Casino and Convention Centre.

[ozbob]

Daniel Bowen --> Today's Coalition fares announcement: free rides for CBD motorists is NOT good policy

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Melbourne Age --> State government plans overhaul to Melbourne public transport zones, ticketing

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Melbourne Age --> Public transport shake-up: operators kept in dark about government's decision

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PTUA --> Zone 2 residents likely worse off, not better off from fare changes: PTUA

The Public Transport Users Association has slammed the Napthine Government's announcement of a flat fare cap for Melbourne as a "lost opportunity" to reform fares in a sustainable direction, and as a longer-term hit on people in the suburbs that the scheme is supposed to help.

"If Premier Napthine really wanted to make public transport cheaper for people in the suburbs, almost any other way of doing it would work better than what he has announced today," PTUA President Tony Morton said.

"By applying a Zone 1 fare cap right across the metropolitan area, the system is now forced to charge the same price to travel two streets away as to travel right across Melbourne," he said. "So if the system has to charge more for the longest journeys in future, it'll have to charge the same for a short trip too, even if there's still a slight discount for Zone 2 relative to Zone 1."

Dr Morton explained that when Zone 3 was abolished in 2007, fares quickly rose to claw back the difference. "Back in 2006 it cost $52.20 a week to travel in all three zones," he said. "It now costs $60.60 a week to travel in two zones. The saving for those outer suburban travellers was eaten up within just five years, and we fully expect the same will occur for Zone 2 travellers with this measure."

But the clawing back of revenue would spell bad news for single-zone as well as multi-zone travellers, Dr Morton said. "When there's just one or two basic fares regardless of distance travelled, it rapidly becomes uncompetitive for short trips," said Dr Morton. "The people likely to suffer in the longer term are those who want to use public transport to go to their local shops, to take the kids to school, or who work somewhere other than the inner city. In other words, the majority of people in Melbourne's suburbs."

"You may think paying between $2.48 and $3.58 full-fare each way to go a few blocks to the supermarket is already pretty steep," Dr Morton said. "But once these become the only fares the system can charge for any trip, the only way they can go is up – a long way up, just as was seen in Adelaide where you now pay $9.40 for an all-day ticket."

Better Services Needed

Dr Morton said the PTUA had heard from many members in Zone 2 who said the $100 million in revenue expected to be lost to the fare cap could be better spent on improved services. "$100 million a year could pay for a lot of suburban bus routes, or even a short rail extension," he said. "Again, we don't think the system will stand a cut to revenue of this magnitude for very long. But we shouldn't be throwing away much-needed funds on such a counterproductive measure in the first place."

Dr Morton also downplayed the proposal for free travel in the CBD and Docklands. "It's simply not of relevance to anyone who uses public transport to get to the city, because they're already paying a daily fare, so all their travel within the CBD is already free right now," he said. "It may benefit those few tourists and CBD residents who never travel outside the CBD, but that's a very limited number. The main beneficiaries will be those who drive cars into the city and catch the tram the last few blocks – we simply shouldn't be designing the fare system to reward people for abandoning public transport and driving to the city instead."

A Better Solution

Dr Morton said there were much better ways to set fares in a manner that is fair to passengers and competitive with car travel, but keeps public transport on a sustainable financial footing. "The biggest anomaly with our fare system at present is the way the price more than doubles when you go from Zone 2 to Zone 1," he said. "This is why people currently drive to railway stations at the edge of Zone 1 and fill up the car parks there. We need to reduce the gap between the single-zone and multi-zone fare, but just abolishing it isn't the way to go about it."

"If we want to ease the burden of high fares then we need a reduction across the board," Dr Morton said. "Most trips in Zone 2 don't go outside Zone 2 – they won't see any benefit unless the Zone 2 fare is cut."

Dr Morton proposed that instead of applying the full benefit of the fare cut to just Zone 1+2 travellers, there be a reduction in each of the Zone 1, Zone 2 and Zone 1+2 fares. "But you would reduce the Zone 1+2 fare by a greater proportion, to reduce that enormous gap between the single-zone and multi-zone fare. So you would get the same revenue outcome, for example, if you cut Zone 1 and Zone 2 by 10%, and Zone 1+2 by 20%."

"Ultimately though, we need to have a solid revenue base for public transport so we can run more services," said Dr Morton. "The best way to do that is to encourage more people to use public transport. But many of those will be short-distance travellers, so it's vital that fares be set to make these short trips competitive."

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Premier Denis Napthine's cheap fares pledge surprises transport operators

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Cheaper public transport fares are not fair

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Cheaper public transport fares are not fair

Melbourne's fares are already very affordable and generally sensible, although a few more zones might be a good move.  Political pork corrupting fare policy is DUMB, DUMB and DUMBER ...

Melbourne needs service and infrastructure improvements.  For example more LX removal and some early morning trains on  a Sunday morning might be a good move ...

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Transport campaign incorrectly kills off Zone 2

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Melbourne Age --> Myki to continue beyond contract, says Public Transport Victoria

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Melbourne Age --> Melburnians offered the chance to 'pimp' their myki cards

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PTV --> Introducing next-generation myki gates



Introducing next-generation myki gates

Added: 28 April 2014

Mitcham, Springvale and Richmond stations will be the first to receive next-generation myki gates, which will be installed progressively across the public transport network as new stations are built or existing stations are upgraded.

The new gates are more robust and can be installed outside in the elements, are quicker, allowing more people to pass through the barriers and are similar to existing gates so spare parts are common.

There are only minor differences to the existing myki gates. The gate paddles are red and customers will now touch on their myki to the blue hand on the digital screen on the gate, rather than below the screen.

More --> http://ptv.vic.gov.au/news-and-events/news/introducing-next-generation-myki-gates/

[ozbob]

3AW --> New myki gates aren't fare dinkum

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Melbourne Age --> Not fare: new myki card validators lack account balance information

[ozbob]

Myki is used on V/Line now.  When in Melbourne recently did a couple of journeys on V/Line using myki.

Each leg myki checked by the V/Line staff on board during the trip using a hand held reader. 

Shows on history as a 'Touch on Train' ... example at 15:08.53 below.

23/04/2014   15:53:18   Touch off*   Train   1   Southern Cross Station   -    $3.92    $39.16
23/04/2014   15:08:53   Touch on   Train   -   -   -    -    -
23/04/2014   14:48:38   Touch on   Train   4   Geelong Station   -    -    -

[ozbob]

Herald Sun --> You've complained, cursed and despaired - now myki to be fixed

[Cam]

I was in Melbourne over the weekend & purchased a Myki. It's likely to be more that a year before I return to Melbourne so I didn't want to leave a positive balance on the card. I touched on with a positive balance of $1 on a bus & touched off when it arrived at the railway station. Unlike the fare system in SE Queensland, I wasn't able to legally continue my journey on the train because the Myki had a negative balance – even though the trip on the train did not accrue additional charges because it was in the same zone. I topped up the card with $2 at the railway station & boarded the train.

From this experience, it seems that a Myki must have a positive balance at the start of each trip. Those in Queensland are aware that you can transfer several times between services i.e. make several trips on a journey with a Go Card in a negative balance as long as at the start of the journey, the Go Card had a positive balance.

[ozbob]

Melbourne Age --> Commuters spared stricter two-hour tickets - for now

[Otto]

Well, Dunno if anyone can figure this lot out.... My recent trip. Wonder how I can get my $34 back that is on my myki still ....

19/06/2014 17:32:23 Touch off Bus 8 Wendouree, Route BAL 01 out -  -  - 

19/06/2014 16:50:33 Touch on Bus 8 Sebastopol, Route BAL 12 in -  -  - 

19/06/2014 16:09:02 Touch off Bus 8 Wendouree, Route BAL 02 in -  -  - 

19/06/2014 15:38:04 Top up myki money Auto top up - - $20.00  -  $34.00 

19/06/2014 15:38:04 Touch on Bus 8 Wendouree, Route BAL 02 in -  -  - 

19/06/2014 15:30:41 Touch off* Train 8 Ballarat Station -  $9.16  $14.00 

19/06/2014 14:28:52 Touch on Train - - -  -  - 

19/06/2014 13:46:34 Touch off (Default Fare) Train 1 Southern Cross Station -  -  - 

19/06/2014 13:46:34 Touch on Train 1 Southern Cross Station -  -  - 

19/06/2014 13:30:08 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

19/06/2014 13:30:08 Touch off (Default Fare)* Tram 1 Tram -  $3.58  $23.16 

19/06/2014 13:03:21 Touch off (Default Fare)* Tram 1 Melbourne City,Route 86down -  $3.58  $26.74 

19/06/2014 13:03:21 Touch on Tram 1 Melbourne City, Route 86 down -  -  - 

19/06/2014 09:11:35 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

19/06/2014 09:11:35 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 18:47:22 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 18:38:51 Touch off Train 1 Flinders Street Station -  -  - 

18/06/2014 18:16:32 Touch on Train 1 South Yarra Station -  -  - 

18/06/2014 18:16:32 Touch off (Default Fare) Train 1 South Yarra Station -  -  - 

18/06/2014 16:34:49 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 16:34:49 Touch off (Default Fare)* Tram 1 Tram -  $3.58  $30.32 

18/06/2014 15:55:07 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 15:55:07 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 12:15:28 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 12:15:28 Touch off (Default Fare)* Tram 1 Tram -  $3.58  $33.90 

18/06/2014 12:06:17 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

18/06/2014 12:06:17 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 19:58:26 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 19:58:26 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 19:29:49 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 19:29:49 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 17:53:13 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 17:53:13 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 17:40:51 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 17:40:51 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 14:19:40 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 14:19:40 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 13:59:08 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 13:59:08 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 13:59:07 Top up myki money Auto top up - - $20.00  -  $37.48 

17/06/2014 13:09:09 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 13:09:09 Touch off (Default Fare)* Tram 1 Tram -  $3.58  $17.48

17/06/2014 12:25:37 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 12:25:37 Touch off (Default Fare) Tram 1 Tram -  -  - 

17/06/2014 09:31:47 Touch on Tram 1 St Kilda, Route 96 down -  -  - 

17/06/2014 08:56:41 Touch off* Train 1 Southern Cross Station -  $16.00  $21.06 

17/06/2014 07:20:03 Touch on Train 8 Ballarat Station -  -  - 

17/06/2014 07:18:27 Touch off* Bus 8 Ballarat Central, Route BAL 12 in_1 -  $2.20  $37.06
 
17/06/2014 07:00:27 Touch on Bus 8 Sebastopol, Route BAL 12 in_1 -  -  - 

17/06/2014 07:00:27 Top up myki money Auto top up - - $20.00  -  $39.26 

16/06/2014 19:35:42 Touch off* Bus 8 Sebastopol, Route BAL 12 in -  $1.80  $19.26 

16/06/2014 19:14:55 Touch on Bus 8 Ballarat Central, Route BAL 12 out -  -  -

16/06/2014 11:16:27 Touch off* Bus 8 Ballarat Central, Route BAL 12in_1 -  $2.20  $21.06

16/06/2014 10:58:38 Touch on Bus 8 Sebastopol, Route BAL 12 in_1 -  -  - 

15/06/2014 15:49:17 Touch off* Bus 8 Sebastopol, Route BAL 12 in -  $1.80  $23.26 

15/06/2014 15:25:14 Touch on Bus 8 Ballarat Central, Route BAL 01 in -  -  - 

15/06/2014 11:28:35 Touch off* Bus 8 Ballarat Central, Route BAL 12 in -  $2.20  $25.06

15/06/2014 11:01:44 Touch on Bus 8 Sebastopol, Route BAL 12 in -  -  - 

14/06/2014 18:40:44 Touch off* Train 8 Ballarat Station -  $12.74  $27.26 

14/06/2014 18:11:50 Touch on Train - - -  -  - 

14/06/2014 16:18:51 Touch on Train 1 Southern Cross Station -  -  - 

14/06/2014 16:18:50 Top up myki money - - - $20.00  -  $40.00 

25/02/2014 13:03:23 Top up myki money Website - - $20.00  -  $20.00 

25/02/2014 13:03:23 Card Purchase* Website - $6.00 -  -  - 

[ozbob]

Looks fine to me Otto. Daily cap works well.

Refunds --> http://ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/refunds-and-replacements/

Cheers!

[Otto]

Ta !