Off peak fare structure

[Derwan]

I know that a significant portion of Sunshine Coast commuters support my views.
Certainly more than there are local SC members here at Rail - Back on Track.

I would like the time I catch a train to be considered off-peak too - even though I arrive in the peak period.  Why should you be able to get a discount and not me?

The ridiculous notion of a pre-peak discount being based on touch-on time is only being pushed by SC commuters because they would get a discount when they catch a train during the peak period.  This is unfair to Brisbane commuters who are already paying more (per km) for public transport.

[ozbob]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan.  Just further highlights the flawed nature of the go card system itself.  Touch off is a better way to go, but apparently is not going to be implemented.  Many early shift workers do infact receive off peak travel although they are travelling in the peak period. If the notion of a change from 2am to 7am is so upsetting, then why aren't you all railing against the 3.30pm time?

[somebody]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan. 

Only those heading through the CBD who reach the CBD in peak time.  Unless I am missing something.

Many early shift workers do infact receive off peak travel although they are travelling in the peak period.

Not sure I follow this one?  Do you mean they receive off peak service quality but are paying peak fares?

[Arnz]

Some folks already get "peak discounts" in the afternoon by touching on before 3:30pm and travelling later.

Alternatively if "touch off" programming is "too hard"  I'd support a 5:30am "Touch on" cutoff in the morning, only to encourage early morning commuting between 4:30am and 5:30am from their origin station.

[Arnz]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan. 

Only those heading through the CBD who reach the CBD in peak time.  Unless I am missing something.

Touch off at their destination station in the afternoon peak gets counted as a "off-peak" fare since they touched on at their "origin" station before 3:30pm.

Many early shift workers do infact receive off peak travel although they are travelling in the peak period.

Not sure I follow this one?  Do you mean they receive off peak service quality but are paying peak fares?

I don't travel early mornings, but IIRC I'm pretty sure "peak definition" was stated between 5am and 9am in the morning and 3:30pm-7pm in the afternoon.

[ozbob]

PM peak, not concerned with counter peak for now (although there is an argument for a different fare for that as well).

Let's take a hotel/hospital/sales worker.  Starts an early shift at 6.45am.  Finishes at say 3pm.

Full fare in say from Rosewood.  On the return journey touches on say 3.25 pm.  And then travels out to Rosewood, for a peak hour arrival on an off peak fare.  Has been like this since off peak introduced on the go card.  Bit odd to be worked up about now ...

Someone suggested tonight that 6am would be a good time for instead of 7am with our 'touch on' system.  That too would be better than 2am but not sure how effective it would be in getting some change.

[somebody]

Full fare in say from Rosewood.  On the return journey touches on say 3.25 pm.  And then travels out to Rosewood, for a peak hour arrival on an off peak fare.  Has been like this since off peak introduced on the go card.  Bit odd to be worked up about now ...

Not exactly a peak time journey for the city-Ipswich bit.  Perhaps for the Rosewood line.  I suppose the service frequency has increased slightly before 3:30pm, so one could argue this point, but I'd say shoulder peak at most.

[Gazza]

I very much suspect that Cubic's reader & back office software functions are built & configured along similar principles, and resistance to adding options to Go Card is based on the cost of purchasing the additional functionality and/or configuration services.

Agree Agree Agree. This is probably the main reason.

In L.A, Tap card is a Cubic system, but they have the opposite situation...Flat priced daily, weekly and monthly periodicals you can load, but no pay as you go. The authority there has been dithering about introducing payg, and I bet this is the reason.

Really wouldn't we want a system that encourages peak spreading both morning and evening, perhaps if programming wasn't an issue, we would want touch off time in the morning and touch on time in the evening to be what mattered.

Obviously it would be both ways, but if the system works around touch on and cant be changed, then it would have to be afternoon only.

Services are important, but so are fares.  The feedback on that point is considerable.  A holistic policy for improvement includes all aspects.

The main reason people bring up fares is because they don't understand PT systems,

and also because they just want to save themselves money (People complain that hospitals and schools are underfunded, but wont pay more tax, people complain that water bills are too high, but at the same time complained water infrastructure was inadequate for drought, people don't want to pay more for power, yet they want green energy instead and no summer blackouts)
People complain about road congestion, yet wouldn't pay a congestion tax, and wont pay to use very costly infrastructure that (temporarily lol) relieves it.

Stuff all costs money, but nobody wants to pay, human nature. It's the same with everything. Truth be told, fares would have to be very high for people to well and truly stop using it . I mean FaresFare has copped a pretty big fare increase, but he still uses the train despite this right?

I think its also that armchair expert/vox pop factor too....A common line from the general public is "The government should make PT cheaper, and then more people would use it".
What people? Why aren't they using it already?

Who are the people complaining? Does RBot, or the government get outside feeedback from people who say "I don't use PT because its too expensive".
I think it's mostly existing users that complain about the prices, not potential PT users (How many non PT users even know the prices?)

[mufreight]

How about option X, free travel for all with all property rates levied a 5% surcharge to cover the costs,
removes the costs of operating the Go card system and a large portion of Translink.
Eliminates the need for staff to protect the revenue stream.
Takes a considerable number of cars off the roads reducing the cat chasing its tail problem of road congestion with billions spent for no real gain,
Lowers the costs of road maintenence,
Considerably reduces the numbers of road accidents and associated health care costs
Fares would no longer be a continual subject of complaint and many would then have to find something else to complain about to entertain themselves.

[Derwan]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan.

I explained this before.  I'm talking about the majority of people (which is why we have off-peak discounts).  That is:

• People who arrive in the city between 7am and 9am.
• People who depart from the city between 3:30pm and 7pm.

Logic dictates that the pre-peak discount should be based on arrival time (i.e. touch-off) while the other off-peak discounts be based on departure time (i.e. touch-on).

If you wanted to maximise the effect of the discount, you would apply it to:

• People who arrive (touch off) prior to 7am
• People who arrive (touch off) or depart (touch on) between 9am and 3:30pm
• People who depart (touch on) after 7pm

This would mean that someone who touched on at 8:45am but didn't arrive in the city until 9:15am would be eligible for the off-peak discount.

[#Metro]

Yawn. This all sounds like a complicated mess...

[Gazza]

How about option X, free travel for all with all property rates levied a 5% surcharge to cover the costs,
removes the costs of operating the Go card system and a large portion of Translink.
Eliminates the need for staff to protect the revenue stream.
Takes a considerable number of cars off the roads reducing the cat chasing its tail problem of road congestion with billions spent for no real gain,
Lowers the costs of road maintenence,
Considerably reduces the numbers of road accidents and associated health care costs
Fares would no longer be a continual subject of complaint and many would then have to find something else to complain about to entertain themselves.

You've made posts to this effect before.
Basically, the gist of what you have said is that the Government pays 3/4 of the cost of PT, so they might as well pay the last 1/4, and save some money on fare collection and enforcement in the process.

The problem is, Mu, a system only recovering 25% of its costs isn't normal.....It's pretty much an exclusive thing to Australia and some cities in the USA to have such crap cost recovery and ingrained inefficiency.
If we ran our PT like the Swiss, the Germans or the Japanese, and say were recovering 60%+ of costs, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion would we?

[ozbob]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan.

I explained this before.  I'm talking about the majority of people (which is why we have off-peak discounts).  That is:

• People who arrive in the city between 7am and 9am.
• People who depart from the city between 3:30pm and 7pm.

Logic dictates that the pre-peak discount should be based on arrival time (i.e. touch-off) while the other off-peak discounts be based on departure time (i.e. touch-on).

If you wanted to maximise the effect of the discount, you would apply it to:

• People who arrive (touch off) prior to 7am
• People who arrive (touch off) or depart (touch on) between 9am and 3:30pm
• People who depart (touch on) after 7pm

This would mean that someone who touched on at 8:45am but didn't arrive in the city until 9:15am would be eligible for the off-peak discount.

I don't have an issue with what your propose, the problem is that we are stuck with a touch on regime for now ...

It is clear that some improvements to off peak is desirable to help drive better public transport utilisation around the clock and help peak mitigation.  There is no room for any more trains on the mains in AM peak, patronage will continue to grow, clearly being a little smarter and helping to assist with a time shift for some pax would be advantageous.  The yelps from the public will grow in time, being proactive now would be better than reactive stuff down the track.

I am happy to push a case for touch on and adjustment to the quantum.  That is in line with the overwhelming sentiment here.  Which reflects my purpose for posting this poll, I wanted feedback and views.  So thanks folks!

[dwb]

Well, fares aren't irrelevant.  However, just because there is a lot of feedback doesn't necessarily mean that the feedback should be listened to.  You're probably going to say that "we support the community" there.  I really think that most of the feedback is driven by people wanting to pay less.

The big question is just which community or which part of the community?

There are 6 Nambour services that reach the city before 9 with touch on before 7am, so that is at most ~4.5k p%ssed  off Coasties at FF's "overcrowding shocker never in 12 years loading", but in reality there are probably more than 300k daily commuters across the network.

Who speaks of equity?

The SC frustrations about quality/price would be better put to bed by pressuring TL to up the quality on your route, not drop the price across the network.

[dwb]

I know that a significant portion of Sunshine Coast commuters support my views.
Certainly more than there are local SC members here at Rail - Back on Track.

I would like the time I catch a train to be considered off-peak too - even though I arrive in the peak period.  Why should you be able to get a discount and not me?

The ridiculous notion of a pre-peak discount being based on touch-on time is only being pushed by SC commuters because they would get a discount when they catch a train during the peak period.  This is unfair to Brisbane commuters who are already paying more (per km) for public transport.

Well put Derwan

[Fares_Fair]

Well, fares aren't irrelevant.  However, just because there is a lot of feedback doesn't necessarily mean that the feedback should be listened to.  You're probably going to say that "we support the community" there.  I really think that most of the feedback is driven by people wanting to pay less.

The big question is just which community or which part of the community?

There are 6 Nambour services that reach the city before 9 with touch on before 7am, so that is at most ~4.5k p%ssed  off Coasties at FF's "overcrowding shocker never in 12 years loading", but in reality there are probably more than 300k daily commuters across the network.

Who speaks of equity?

The SC frustrations about quality/price would be better put to bed by pressuring TL to up the quality on your route, not drop the price across the network.

Hello dwb,

I can assure you, we are working both ends of this equation.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[dwb]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan.  Just further highlights the flawed nature of the go card system itself.  Touch off is a better way to go, but apparently is not going to be implemented.  Many early shift workers do infact receive off peak travel although they are travelling in the peak period. If the notion of a change from 2am to 7am is so upsetting, then why aren't you all railing against the 3.30pm time?

Travellers who board prior to 330pm, even if it is 329pm are NOT peak customers, even if they don't get home til 5 or 6pm. They are AHEAD of the peak wave of demand. Most school kids can't even get a service before 330pm, that is why it starts at 330pm, so the majority of school kids, who compose the first wave of peak demand, pay peak fares.

Bob, you've got your eyes, ears and mind closed on this one, not the other way around.

[Fares_Fair]

I know that a significant portion of Sunshine Coast commuters support my views.
Certainly more than there are local SC members here at Rail - Back on Track.

I would like the time I catch a train to be considered off-peak too - even though I arrive in the peak period.  Why should you be able to get a discount and not me?

The ridiculous notion of a pre-peak discount being based on touch-on time is only being pushed by SC commuters because they would get a discount when they catch a train during the peak period.  This is unfair to Brisbane commuters who are already paying more (per km) for public transport.

Well put Derwan

Derwan,

Respectfully, your response is out of context to the situation. If I may explain.
This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.
ozbob's suggestion was suggested as a way to incorportate the loss of these discounted tickets into the go card system and at the same time compensate commuters on the sunshine coast who used the discounted tickets previously. Please correct me if I am wrong ozbob.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[Arnz]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan.  Just further highlights the flawed nature of the go card system itself.  Touch off is a better way to go, but apparently is not going to be implemented.  Many early shift workers do infact receive off peak travel although they are travelling in the peak period. If the notion of a change from 2am to 7am is so upsetting, then why aren't you all railing against the 3.30pm time?

Travellers who board prior to 330pm, even if it is 329pm are NOT peak customers, even if they don't get home til 5 or 6pm. They are AHEAD of the peak wave of demand. Most school kids can't even get a service before 330pm, that is why it starts at 330pm, so the majority of school kids, who compose the first wave of peak demand, pay peak fares.

Some folks may touch on at 3:29pm, may miss the service around 3:30-3:32ish, and the next service doesn't come till before 4:00pm.  That's still catching the first wave of peak services, although they may have touched on in off-peak.

[somebody]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

[Gazza]

That's still catching the first wave of peak services, although they may have touched on in off-peak.

Yeah, and who is going to miss a service and wait half an hour every day?....They'd have to have a lot of free time or be super disorganised for that to be a regular occurrence.

What we care about is influencing the overall pattern of commuting, not a handful of people that slip through the cracks (By various means) and get it cheaper by accident.

[dwb]

PM peak, not concerned with counter peak for now (although there is an argument for a different fare for that as well).

Let's take a hotel/hospital/sales worker.  Starts an early shift at 6.45am.  Finishes at say 3pm.

Full fare in say from Rosewood.  On the return journey touches on say 3.25 pm.  And then travels out to Rosewood, for a peak hour arrival on an off peak fare.  Has been like this since off peak introduced on the go card.  Bit odd to be worked up about now ...

Someone suggested tonight that 6am would be a good time for instead of 7am with our 'touch on' system.  That too would be better than 2am but not sure how effective it would be in getting some change.

What is this change your talk about Bob? The benefitors from your suggested change already catch that overcrowded service, they won't shift their travel pattern they'll just get cheaper travel. And across the rest of the network I doubt it will have that much impact. The passenger you speak about above is NOT a peak passenger, the train they are on is not peak demand, unless they are travelling to Rosewood from Say Beenleigh, then they would be a peak customer as they would be joining peak when they transfer in the city to the Rosewood service along with the rest of the CBD commuters. AFAIK this was not new on Go card, they paper tickets used to be based on boarding time too, not disembark and offpeak was described as between 9am and 330pm and after 7pm (until last service). So this 2am thing is not really new, except on a paper daily the old ticket was valid for travel as offpeak on all N(ight) services which ran until ~5am on weekends.

[dwb]

Anyone who touches on pre-peak before 3.30pm is doing exactly that Derwan.

I explained this before.  I'm talking about the majority of people (which is why we have off-peak discounts).  That is:

• People who arrive in the city between 7am and 9am.
• People who depart from the city between 3:30pm and 7pm.

Logic dictates that the pre-peak discount should be based on arrival time (i.e. touch-off) while the other off-peak discounts be based on departure time (i.e. touch-on).

If you wanted to maximise the effect of the discount, you would apply it to:

• People who arrive (touch off) prior to 7am
• People who arrive (touch off) or depart (touch on) between 9am and 3:30pm
• People who depart (touch on) after 7pm

This would mean that someone who touched on at 8:45am but didn't arrive in the city until 9:15am would be eligible for the off-peak discount.

+∞!!

[dwb]

How about option X, free travel for all with all property rates levied a 5% surcharge to cover the costs,
removes the costs of operating the Go card system and a large portion of Translink.
Eliminates the need for staff to protect the revenue stream.
Takes a considerable number of cars off the roads reducing the cat chasing its tail problem of road congestion with billions spent for no real gain,
Lowers the costs of road maintenence,
Considerably reduces the numbers of road accidents and associated health care costs
Fares would no longer be a continual subject of complaint and many would then have to find something else to complain about to entertain themselves.

It would certainly be a good idea at least to reduce the general subsidy and the fares, but shouldn't replace fares. We should have a user pays system (with components of benefitor pays too). If it was free to board then you'd lose any ability to promote shoulder peak, and instead you'd be moving towards a road system of paying by queuing. You'd also end up with overconsumption for short trips among other anomalies of a "free" to use system that would undermine the system itself. Not to mention that you'd have no idea about boardings or loadings to know if you were getting value from money that you invested. In other words its completely unworkable although an illusory false hope of a utopian transport world.

[dwb]

How about option X, free travel for all with all property rates levied a 5% surcharge to cover the costs,
removes the costs of operating the Go card system and a large portion of Translink.
Eliminates the need for staff to protect the revenue stream.
Takes a considerable number of cars off the roads reducing the cat chasing its tail problem of road congestion with billions spent for no real gain,
Lowers the costs of road maintenence,
Considerably reduces the numbers of road accidents and associated health care costs
Fares would no longer be a continual subject of complaint and many would then have to find something else to complain about to entertain themselves.

You've made posts to this effect before.
Basically, the gist of what you have said is that the Government pays 3/4 of the cost of PT, so they might as well pay the last 1/4, and save some money on fare collection and enforcement in the process.

The problem is, Mu, a system only recovering 25% of its costs isn't normal.....It's pretty much an exclusive thing to Australia and some cities in the USA to have such crap cost recovery and ingrained inefficiency.
If we ran our PT like the Swiss, the Germans or the Japanese, and say were recovering 60%+ of costs, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion would we?

It is not just how we run the system, it is our lifestyle, how and where we live/work/play and our culture that results in poor fare recovery.

[dwb]

I am happy to push a case for touch on and adjustment to the quantum.  That is in line with the overwhelming sentiment here.  Which reflects my purpose for posting this poll, I wanted feedback and views.  So thanks folks!

Head in sand "lalalalalalal"

[dwb]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

Perhaps Simon we should write to Translink and suggest they temporarily bring back 6+12 month tickets, but just raise the price on them, ie don't get rid of the ticket just yet, but get rid of the unfair and overly generous subsidy, I doubt that would make FF happy though

[Gazza]

Full fare in say from Rosewood.  On the return journey touches on say 3.25 pm.  And then travels out to Rosewood, for a peak hour arrival on an off peak fare.  Has been like this since off peak introduced on the go card.  Bit odd to be worked up about now ...

Perhaps there seems to be some differing opinion on what is peak. My definition, is that a peak service is one that has the vehicle using inner city infrastructure and has required extra vehicles to the normal base frequency.

So the hospital worker you speak of isn't travelling in peak in the afternoon, because the vehicle he/she is in, is a good 57km away from the 'chaos' of peak at the time of arrival, so isn't really contributing to capacity issues.

[Fares_Fair]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

The Minister stated in an on-air interview on March 17, 2011 (Train Boycott Day).
"We will review the 6 and 12 month tickets ... "

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[STB]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

The Minister stated in an on-air interview on March 17, 2011 (Train Boycott Day).
"We will review the 6 and 12 month tickets ... "

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

'Review' doesn't mean 'implement'.

[Fares_Fair]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

Perhaps Simon we should write to Translink and suggest they temporarily bring back 6+12 month tickets, but just raise the price on them, ie don't get rid of the ticket just yet, but get rid of the unfair and overly generous subsidy, I doubt that would make FF happy though

Seriously, why don't you ?
Get a ground swell of support for it and act.
That's what I do.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[Fares_Fair]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

The Minister stated in an on-air interview on March 17, 2011 (Train Boycott Day).
"We will review the 6 and 12 month tickets ... "

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

'Review' doesn't mean 'implement'.

It doesn't correct. But they (the PTAG) haven't even 'reviewed' them yet !
Minister stated they would in time for the State budget brought down on 14 June.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[STB]

This has derived out of the 6 and 12 month ticket promises made by the Minister, and thus far defaulted.

I actually can't find what was actually promised, but I don't think they promised to bring back the cheap tickets.

The Minister stated in an on-air interview on March 17, 2011 (Train Boycott Day).
"We will review the 6 and 12 month tickets ... "

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

'Review' doesn't mean 'implement'.

It doesn't correct. But they (the PTAG) haven't even 'reviewed' them yet !
Minister stated they would in time for the State budget brought down on 14 June.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

Who said that the 'review' would be done by PTAG.  Before PTAG should ever 'review' it, the inter-departmental (TransLink) work needs to occur.  I wouldn't trust PTAG to review something without some proper background work by the professionals beforehand.

Can you quote where the Minister said explicitly where PTAG would review the 6-12 month tickets (a dinosaur of a product where only middle aged high income earners could really only afford it IMO - as a side note since being a student, I have discovered how out of touch a lot of these sorts of people can be to the greater world...) before the state budget?  I have been out of the loop for quite some time.

[dwb]

Can you quote where the Minister said explicitly where PTAG would review the 6-12 month tickets (a dinosaur of a product where only middle aged high income earners could really only afford it IMO - as a side note since being a student, I have discovered how out of touch a lot of these sorts of people can be to the greater world...) before the state budget?  I have been out of the loop for quite some time.

Indeed STB!

[Fares_Fair]

Here's one print article ... and it was also on Channel 7 News on 17 March, 2011.
The Minister used the word "review" in the television interview, Channel 7 News on 17 March, 2011.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/17/3166347.htm


From ABC News ...
Opposition urges train boycott over rising Go-Card fares
By Chris O'Brien

Posted Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:14am AEDT

The Queensland Opposition says commuters in the south-east are increasingly angry about Go-Card fares.

Some regular public transport passengers have called for a train boycott today, protesting against fare rises and the lack of multi-trip options.

Opposition public transport spokeswoman Tracy Davis says there should be better savings for weekly or monthly or yearly Go-Card users.

"There's no flexibility in terms of periodical fare options and that's what today's boycott is all about," she said.

But Transport Minister Annastacia Palaszczuk says Go-Card use is rising and it is cheaper than paper tickets.

"All the money that people pay for public transport goes back into improving our network," she said.

"What I'm saying to people today is I'm setting up a committee and we'll be looking at some of the issues raised in particular people are saying to me the six-monthly and yearly ticket."

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[STB]

Yes, I can see the words 'looking at' aka 'review'.  But I cannot see any link that it would be done BEFORE the state budget, let alone, there's no wording of 'State Budget' in the first place in that article which you stated in an earlier post, the review would be done BEFORE the state budget.

It doesn't correct. But they (the PTAG) haven't even 'reviewed' them yet !
Minister stated they would in time for the State budget brought down on 14 June.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[dwb]

Here's one print article ... and it was also on Channel 7 News on 17 March, 2011.
The Minister used the word "review" in the television interview, Channel 7 News on 17 March, 2011.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/17/3166347.htm


From ABC News ...
Opposition urges train boycott over rising Go-Card fares
By Chris O'Brien

Posted Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:14am AEDT

The Queensland Opposition says commuters in the south-east are increasingly angry about Go-Card fares.

Some regular public transport passengers have called for a train boycott today, protesting against fare rises and the lack of multi-trip options.

Opposition public transport spokeswoman Tracy Davis says there should be better savings for weekly or monthly or yearly Go-Card users.

"There's no flexibility in terms of periodical fare options and that's what today's boycott is all about," she said.

But Transport Minister Annastacia Palaszczuk says Go-Card use is rising and it is cheaper than paper tickets.

"All the money that people pay for public transport goes back into improving our network," she said.

"What I'm saying to people today is I'm setting up a committee and we'll be looking at some of the issues raised in particular people are saying to me the six-monthly and yearly ticket."

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

They're going to look at it again, I'm sure they've looked and thought a lot already. And hopefully the outcome will be that they still support their decision.

[Fares_Fair]

Yes, I can see the words 'looking at' aka 'review'.  But I cannot see any link that it would be done BEFORE the state budget, let alone, there's no wording of 'State Budget' in the first place in that article which you stated in an earlier post, the review would be done BEFORE the state budget.

It doesn't correct. But they (the PTAG) haven't even 'reviewed' them yet !
Minister stated they would in time for the State budget brought down on 14 June.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

I told you it was on the Channel Seven news on 17 March, 2011.
I am certain it was seen by others and I stand by what I said - whether you choose to take me at my word is your choice.

http://maroochy-journal.whereilive.com.au/news/story/why-jeffs-on-the-right-track/
It has also been stated in previous posts here on the site (somewhere)  

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[somebody]

Perhaps Simon we should write to Translink and suggest they temporarily bring back 6+12 month tickets, but just raise the price on them, ie don't get rid of the ticket just yet, but get rid of the unfair and overly generous subsidy, I doubt that would make FF happy though

Seriously, why don't you ?
Get a ground swell of support for it and act.
That's what I do.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

Did you read the part in red?

[colinw]

All.

Some of the posts in this thread are coming close to crossing the line to personal attacks rather than discussion of differing viewpoints.  Remember that on this board all are welcome to their own opinion, and to share that opinion. Nobody should be abused for posting opinion an differs from your own.

Also be mindful that this topic is in the publicly visible part of the forum, and may be read by anyone.

If this type of posting continues, I can and will lock this thread or any other thread where it occurs.

Ozbob and the other moderators are of course free to overrule me.