Car parking - solutions?

[ozbob]

Park n ride --> http://translink.com.au/travel-information/network-information/park-n-ride

[Arnz]

^Thanks

A lot of stations have parking where commuters outstrip the spaces during peak.   Dakabin is a obvious current example, along with the looming Springfield "failure" to balance feeder services with (lack of) planned parking spaces is another.

And speaking from my local experience, 207 spaces at Landsborough against 400+ peak entries from the last passenger load survey.  There are usually those that are parked in the surrounding streets.  To be fair though, some of the 400 entries at Landsborough also come from the 605/615 feeders.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Paid parking costs Westfield Chermside staff $1 million in one year

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail 1st November 2012 page 21

Park 'n' rides to get spaces for another 1200 vehicles

Park 'n' rides to get spaces for another 1200 vehicles
Rose Brennan

MORE than 1200 park 'n' ride car bays will be added to Queensland's public transport facilities by the end of next year.

New sites include Ferny Grove, The Gap, Slacks Creek and Capalaba, but critics have labelled the move at two key locations as insufficient.

Sites opening at Springfield and Springfield Central train stations late next year are part of a $475 million project.

But they have come under fire from local councillors and residents for accommodating only 300 cars between them.

Brookwater resident Peter Napier, 61, expects the Springfield car parks to be full by 8am every day, similar to neighbouring Richlands station, which has 600 car parks. "We were wildly enthusiastic about the train coming to Springfield but we don't want it to be considered a failure because of inadequate parking," he said.

A spokeswoman for Minister for Transport and Main Roads Scott Emerson ruled out any more park'n'ride spaces being added.

"Due to the current financial situation we have been left with by the previous Labor government, no more car parks will be added," she said.

By the end of 2013, upgrades to Ferny Grove train station will add 400 spaces and 30 to Narangba train station.

Park 'n rides at bus stops at The Gap will have 85 car parks, 200 at Slacks Creek and 210 at Capalaba.

In August 63 spots were opened at Jindalee bus hub. A park 'n' ride opened at Carindale in July with 300 car parks.

[#Metro]

Well they had better design the worlds best bus system then!! And bikeways, and watch out anyone who lives in any street near the station CARMAGGEDON is coming to springfield!

Bad design - both of the number of spaces and the anti-bus windy roads in the area - equals bad problems!

[ozbob]

Car parking solutions --> Brisbane CBD to introduce off-peak paid parking in January to net City Hall $860,000 a year

Brisbanetimes --> Council parking fees set to soar

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> CCIQ says introducing paid parking around Brisbane will increase turnover and be good for business

[ozbob]

Aspley Hypermarket park 'n' ride relocation

--> http://jp.translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/details/1349936527

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Restaurateurs fear closure due to parking fees

[Jonno]

http://m.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/11/4-reasons-retailers-dont-need-free-parking-thrive/3978/

4 Reasons Retailers Don't Need Free Parking to Thrive
ERIC JAFFENOV 26, 2012COMMENTS
Shutterstock
A major rationale for the supply of parking spaces in city shopping centers is that customers won't come without them. The anecdotal argument makes sense — retailers believe that most consumers arrive by car and believe free or cheap parking plays a major role in choosing a destination — but the actual evidence is scant at best. A new review of commercial centers in Greater London, released late last month (via David King), concludes that retailers vastly overestimate the role free parking plays in their success.

The review was conducted earlier this year by the cross-party policy group London Councils. The group performed a thorough meta-analysis of the existing academic and public agency research on the role of parking in urban commerce. It also sent parking questionnaires to all 33 London boroughs (comprising the city center, as well as inner and outer areas) and conducted market research with shoppers at three commercial centers in the outer regions. The findings can be reduced down to four main reasons retailers don't need free parking to thrive.

1. Free, plentiful parking often hurts more than it helps. Retailers prefer an abundance of cheap or free nearby parking because they believe that given the choice between a store with parking and one without, drivers will choose the one with it. In some respects they're right, particularly as one moves away from the central city and established lines of alternative transport. However free commercial parking, especially in the city, has several downsides too.

For starters, according to the London Councils report, it's not really free. A true "free" parking spot can be quite expensive, and when it's offset by higher retail prices, those who drive get a subsidy and those who don't get an additional cost. This incentive to drive pressures local authorities into shifting resources and space toward roads (instead of transit) and parking (instead of additional retail developments). It also creates congestion, particularly when on-street parking is involved.

Above all, concludes the new review, free parking often hinders the shopper turnover it's meant to entice. Recent research has found that available spaces are often used by nearby workers and not by shoppers, and that shoppers given free spaces tend to stay for long periods of time, which means fewer visitors arrive each day on average. A 2012 Dutch study of 80 urban shopping centers found that higher parking rates led to higher parking-space turnover and therefore higher retail potential — except in outer areas where car access is a determining factor.

2. Shopkeepers overestimate how many customers arrive by car. If you ask retailers why they want free parking, they will answer that most shoppers drive to their stores. However that perception doesn't square with the numbers. On the contrary, available evidence suggests that more people reach town centers by transit, walking, or biking than by car, according to the London Councils review.

One recent study of the British city of Bristol shows the gap between retailer perception and shopper reality. That survey of 840 customers and 126 shopkeepers found that the retailers believed that only 12 percent of their customers lived within a half-mile when in fact 42 percent did; believed cars were the most frequent mode of arrival when in fact walking was; believed parking would elevate the shopping experience when in fact shoppers said less traffic and more area improvements would.

When the researchers compared their results to a similar study in the Austrian city of Graz, they found the same trend of misperception:


(Will add table later)

The findings also extend to a city as large as London, says the new review. A 2011 survey [PDF] of nearly 5,000 London visitors found that those who walked were most likely to visit a town shopping center at least five times a week (50 percent). Those who biked (37 percent) or took a bus (27 percent) were also more frequent shoppers than those who drove (14 percent). Despite those figures, retailers continued to believe more people drove than actually did; a 2008 study of the Camberwell district of London overestimated car shoppers by more than 400 percent.

3. They also overestimate how much car customers spend. When people reach a shopping center by car, they do tend to spend more on that single visit than people who get there by other modes. The 2011 survey found they spent, on average, 41 pounds per visit, compared to 26 pounds for walkers. Over the long term, however, those figures favor non-drivers: in an average month, car shoppers spent 226 pounds, while walkers spent 373 and those who arrived by transit (239 for train, 282 for bus) also spent more.

4. A mix of retailers is more important than parking supply. When you actually ask shoppers what brings them to a particular commercial center, as one recent survey of 2,000 London customers did, they rate mix of stores and general atmosphere more highly than parking and accessibility. An interview of visitors to 15 major town centers found that the range of shops and amount of traffic were the most important shopping factors, with only 6 percent citing parking — and this for outer London.

The irony here, as the authors of the London Councils review point out, is that additional parking might increase congestion and thereby reduce the attractiveness of a retail center.

Some things to keep in mind. For starters, London is a very transit-friendly place, perhaps more than most cities. Additionally, several of the studies considered by the council did find that outer shopping centers need parking to entice shoppers who might otherwise visit similar outer shopping centers. Still the axiom "no parking, no business" seems much less of a no-brainer than many retailers hold it to be.

Eric Jaffe is a contributing writer to The Atlantic Cities and the author of The King's Best Highway: The Lost History of the Boston Post Road, the Route That Made America. He lives in New York. All posts »

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane City Council considers parking restrictions around streets of Westfield Carindale

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Ultimatum: School told to toe the line on parking or lose grant

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

No.2 in our countdown of the biggest stories of 2012

No.2 in our countdown of the biggest stories of 2012

    by: Alex Strachan, South-East Advertiser
    From: Quest Newspapers
    December 30, 2012 12:00AM

CARINDALE finally got its park and ride car park in 2012 - Just don't expect the suburb's parking issues to go away any time soon.

In 2011, Westfield Carindale announced it would implement a paid parking scheme to deter commuters from taking away car parks from genuine shoppers.

Following the scheme's introduction in July, commuters, shopping centre staff and shoppers promptly started parking in - and clogging - local streets

In response to Westfield's scheme, new Chatsworth MP Steve Minnikin promised and delivered an upgraded car park at the corner of Creek and Old Cleveland Roads after the previous Labor government had rejected the idea on several occasions.

The new car park initially struggled to attract motorists because of a lack of public awareness of its existence, but has been at near-capacity following a marketing campaign.

Despite the new park and ride, many motorists continue to park in local streets, leaving locals worried by safety and privacy concerns.

After receiving approval from the majority of local residents, Deputy Mayor Adrian Schrinner has applied for parking restrictions to be introduced to streets surrounding Westfield.

[Jonno]

Oh What a mess.  Policy failure after policy failure. Westfield just loving the lack of public trsnsport, ugly car oriented development and paid parking. Worlds worst practice.

[ozbob]

Oh What a mess.  Policy failure after policy failure. Westfield just loving the lack of public trsnsport, ugly car oriented development and paid parking. Worlds worst practice.

+1 marvellous example of what not to do ....  pork barrel at Carindale ...  big NON winner ... lol

[somebody]

What should they do?

[ozbob]

Refer to the OP ....

[#Metro]

Despite the new park and ride, many motorists continue to park in local streets, leaving locals worried by safety and privacy concerns.

I don't get it. This sounds a lot like NIMBY to me. If there is space on the road, then draw lines and charge for it.

[somebody]

Feeder buses, that could have merit for those coming from the NE of Caridale.  Gumdale/Wakerley buses was recently the subject of an E-Petition, so can certainly imagine that bus improvements are possible E of Carindale.  The peak service seems adequate around Carindale and West though.

[ozbob]

Blog comment:

Some park and ride is needed. But this story just highlights the massive failure looming. Can we continue to turn suburbs into acres and acres of car parks? Course not, proper feeder bus networks need to be established to provide people with an alternative. TransLink has failed in this regard, so parking problems continue to worsen. More and more people being forced onto ever-failing roads. Welcome to transport failure folks .

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Humourous picture of Melbourne parking dispute goes viral


http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/01/04/1226547/574646-car-park.jpg

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Brisbane City Council roll out new off-peak parking charges in CBD

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> The end of parking free-dom

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Outrage as CBD on-street parking charges take effect

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Council crackdown over complaints of bad driving, parking in Brisbane school zones

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> A solution for Carindale's parking woes?

[Jonno]

Brisbanetimes --> A solution for Carindale's parking woes?

1st world problem! There is a car parked in front of my house!!!  What a complete policy failure!

[HappyTrainGuy]

Brisbanetimes --> A solution for Carindale's parking woes?

1st world problem! There is a car parked in front of my house!!!  What a complete policy failure!

Ease up. Depends on the street and how bad the parking is. There might be a car outside your place which isn't really a problem but if there are multiple cars on both sides issues can arrise with difficulty accessing your driveway eg if you have a trailer, getting something delivered, contractor vehicles, poor visability when reversing, tightness, congestion etc. When chermside had that burst water main they struggled to get buses to go along kittyhawke drive because of the congestion created by parked cars on both sides of the road turning it into a one direction street. Having traffic waiting to get onto Hamilton Road made it even worse as one bus could squeeze in from Hamilton road and then stop the other turning traffic behind becuase it had to wait for the traffic going the other way to clear. THe same thing has also happened at Bald Hills and Oxley.

What I liked about that article was this.

And from next month, new Brisbane City Council parking controls will come into effect that prevent people from parking on both sides of residential streets.

[ozbob]

For interest:

Park and rides on TransLink network as of 3 April 2013 http://translink.com.au/travel-information/network-information/park-n-ride

Some locations actually have more cars routinely parking than listed spaces, eg. Gailes, Salisbury.  There is also the street parking additional to stated capacities as well in many locations.

Sunshine Coast

Beerburrum
Mode: train Suburb: Beerburrum Address: Church St, Beerburrum QLD 4517 Number of parks: 30


Beerwah
Mode: train Suburb: Beerwah Address: Beerwah Parade, Beerwah QLD 4519 Number of parks: 26


Cooroy
Mode: train Suburb: Cooroy Address: Elm Street, Cooroy QLD 4563 Number of parks: 100


Glasshouse Mountains
Mode: train Suburb: Glasshouse Mountains Address: Reed Street, Glass House Mountains QLD 4518 Number of parks: 20


Gympie North
Mode: train Suburb: Gympie North Address: Sandy Creek Road, Gympie North QLD 4570 Number of parks: 24


Landsborough
Mode: train Suburb: Landsborough Address: Cribb Street, Landsborough QLD 4550 Number of parks: 207


Nambour
Mode: train Suburb: Nambour Address: Civic Way, Nambour QLD 4560 Number of parks: 89


Palmwoods
Mode: train Suburb: Palmwoods Address: Chevallum Road, Palmwoods QLD 4555 Number of parks: 18


Woombye
Mode: train Suburb: Woombye Address: Blackall Street, Woombye QLD 4559 Number of parks: 20


Northern Region

Bray Park
Mode: train Suburb: Bray Park Address: Railway Avenue, Bray Park QLD 4500 Number of parks: 228


Bribie Island
Mode: bus Suburb: Bribie Island Address: Cnr Fortune Ave & Victory Road, Bribie Island QLD 4507 Number of parks: 122


Burpengary
Mode: train Suburb: Burpengary Address: Burpengary Road, Burpengary QLD 4505 Number of parks: 509


Caboolture
Mode: train Suburb: Caboolture Address: Matthew Terrace, Caboolture QLD 4510 Number of parks: 675


Dakabin
Mode: train Suburb: Dakabin Address: Narangba Road, Kurwongbah QLD 4503 Number of parks: 22


Elimbah
Mode: train Suburb: Elimbah Address: English Street, Elimbah QLD 4516 Number of parks: 30


Lawnton
Mode: train Suburb: Lawnton Address: Station Road, Lawnton QLD 4501 Number of parks: 159


Morayfield
Mode: train Suburb: Morayfield Address: Visentin Road, Morayfield QLD 4506 Number of parks: 320


Narangba
Mode: train Suburb: Narangba Address: 448 Brupengary Road, Narangba QLD 4505 Number of parks: 363


Petrie
Mode: train Suburb: Petrie Address: Station Street, Petrie QLD 4502 Number of parks: 541


Strathpine
Mode: train Suburb: Strathpine Address: Station Street, Strathpine QLD 4500 Number of parks: 398

Brisbane North

Albion
Mode: train Suburb: Albion Address: 49 Albion Road, Albion QLD 4010 Number of parks: 292


Alderley
Mode: train Suburb: Alderley Address: Railway Place, Alderley QLD 4051 Number of parks: 86


Aspley Hypermarket
Mode: Bus Suburb: Aspley Address: Pick 'n' Pay Hypermarket, Albany Creek Road, Aspley QLD 4034 Number of parks: 68


Bald Hills
Mode: train Suburb: Bald Hills Address: Cullimore Street, Bald Hills QLD 4063 Number of parks: 306


Banyo
Mode: train Suburb: Banyo Address: 268 St Vincents Road, Banyo QLD 4014 Number of parks: 27


Boondall
At times this car park may also be used by people attending events at the Boondall Entertainment Centre and parking may be more difficult to find.Mode: train Suburb: Boondall Address: Aberdeen Street, Boondall QLD 4034 Number of parks: 539


Carseldine
Mode: train Suburb: Carseldine Address: Beams Road, Carseldine QLD 4034 Number of parks: 210


Deagon
Mode: train Suburb: Deagon Address: Adams Street, Deagon QLD 4017 Number of parks: 118


Eagle Junction
Mode: train Suburb: Eagle Junction Address: Junction Road, Eagle Junction QLD 4011 Number of parks: 123


Enoggera
Mode: train Suburb: Enoggera Address: Glenalva Terrace, Enoggera QLD 4051 Number of parks: 212


Ferny Grove
Mode: train Suburb: Ferny Grove Address: Conavalla Street, Ferny Grove QLD 4055 Number of parks: 620


Gaythorne
Mode: train Suburb: Enoggera Address: 30 Station Avenue, Enoggera QLD 4051 Number of parks: 130


Geebung
Mode: train Suburb: Geebung Address: Railway Parade, Geebung QLD 4034 Number of parks: 35


Grovely
Mode: train Suburb: Grovely Address: Blaker Road, Grovely QLD 4054 Number of parks: 208


Keperra
Mode: train Suburb: Keperra Address: Silvertop Street, Keperra QLD 4054 Number of parks: 26


Lindum
Mode: train Suburb: Lindum Address: Sibley Road, Lindum QLD 4178 Number of parks: 113


Mitchelton
Mode: train Suburb: Mitchelton Address: McConaghy Street, Mitchelton QLD 4053 Number of parks: 303


North Boondall
Mode: train Suburb: North Boondall Address: Aberdeen Street, North Boondall QLD 4034 Number of parks: 177


Northgate
Mode: train Suburb: Northgate Address: Cnr Ryan & Holland Street, Northgate QLD 4013 Number of parks: 383


Nudgee
Mode: train Suburb: Nudgee Address: Railway Street, Nudgee QLD 4014 Number of parks: 20


Nundah
Mode: train Suburb: Nundah Address: Station Street, Nundah QLD 4012 Number of parks: 217


Oxford Park (Mitchelton)
Mode: train Suburb: Mitchelton Address: Scanlan Road, Mitchelton QLD 4053 Number of parks: 74


Sandgate
Mode: train Suburb: Sandgate Address: Rainbow Street, Sandgate QLD 4017 Number of parks: 236


Shorncliffe
Mode: train Suburb: Shorncliffe Address: Railway Parade, Shorncliffe QLD 4017 Number of parks: 80


Sunshine (Geebung)
Mode: train Suburb: Sunshine Address: 357 Bilsen Road, Sunshine (Geebung) QLD 4034 Number of parks: 82


Toombul (Nundah)
Mode: train Suburb: Toombul Address: Collins Street, Nundah QLD 4012 Number of parks: 104


Virginia
Mode: train Suburb: Viriginia Address: 4 Wellington Street, Virginia QLD 4014 Number of parks: 20


Wilston
Mode: train Suburb: Wilston Address: Newmarket Road, Wilston QLD 4051 Number of parks: 64


Windsor
Mode: train Suburb: Windsor Address: Eildon Road, Windsor QLD 4030 Number of parks: 64


Wooloowin
Mode: train Suburb: Wooloowin Address: Hudson Street, Wooloowin QLD 4030 Number of parks: 189


Zillmere
Mode: train Suburb: Zillmere Address: Zilmere Road, Zilmere QLD 4034 Number of parks: 218

Brisbane West

Auchenflower
Mode: train Suburb: Auchenflower Terrace, Auchenflower QLD 4066 Address: Number of parks: 33


Brookfield (Rafting Ground Road)
Mode: bus Suburb: Brookfield Address: Moggill Road (opposite Pullenvale Road), Brookfield QLD 4069 Number of parks: 30


Chelmer
Mode: train Suburb: Chelmer Address: 140 Honour Avenue, Chelmer QLD 4068 Number of parks: 49


Corinda
Mode: train Suburb: Corinda Address: Cnr Watt and Rithven Streets, Corinda QLD 4075 Number of parks: 94


Darra
Mode: train Suburb: Darra Address: Darra Station Road, Darra QLD 4076 Number of parks: 206


Guyatt Park (St Lucia)
Mode: ferry Suburb: Guyatt Park Address: Macquarie Street, St Lucia QLD 4067 Number of parks: 50


Jindalee
Mode: bus Suburb: Jindalee Address: Cnr Sinnamon Road and Burrendah Road, Jindalee QLD 4074 Number of parks: 69


Kenmore (Misty Morn)
Mode: bus Suburb: Kenmore Address: Moggill Road (near Margaret Court), Kenmore QLD 4069 Number of parks: 150


Oxley
Mode: train Suburb: Oxley Address: 140 Ardoyne Road, Oxley QLD 4075 Number of parks: 191


Richlands
Mode: train Suburb: Richlands Address: 225 Progress Road, Richlands QLD 4077 Number of parks: 600


Taringa
Mode: train Suburb: Taringa Address: 1 Princess Street, Taringa QLD 4068 Number of parks: 49


Toowong
Mode: train Suburb: Toowong Address: Toowong Village Shopping Centre, Coronation Drive, Toowong QLD 4066 Number of parks: 61


The Gap (Waterworks Road/Illowara Street)
Mode: bus Suburb: The Gap Address: Cnr Waterworks Road & Illowara Street, The Gap QLD 4061 Number of parks: 49


Brisbane Central

Mowbray Park
Mode: ferry Suburb: East Brisbane Address: Park Avenue, East Brisbane QLD 4169 Number of parks: 80


Park Road (Woolloongabba)
Mode: train Suburb: Woolloongabba Address: Quarry Street, Park Road, Woolloongabba QLD 4102 Number of parks: 28


Brisbane East

Cannon Hill
Mode: train Suburb: Cannon Hill Address: 60 Barracks Road, Cannon Hill QLD 4170 Number of parks: 161


Carindale (commuter car park)
Mode: bus Suburb: Carindale Address: Cnr Creek and Old Cleveland Roads, Carindale QLD 4152 Number of parks: 300


Coorparoo
Mode: train Suburb: Coorpoaroo Address: Cavendish Road, Coorparoo QLD 4151 Number of parks: 148


Hawthorne
Mode: ferry Suburb: Hawthorne Address: Gordon Street (cnr Malcolm and Gordon St), Hawthorne QLD 4171 Number of parks: 17


Lindum
Mode: train Suburb: Lindum Address: Sibley Road, Lindum QLD 4178 Number of parks: 113


Lota
Mode: train Suburb: Lota Address: Railway Terrace, Lota QLD 4179 Number of parks: 25


Manly
Mode: train Suburb: Manly Address: Ernest Street, Manly QLD 4179 Number of parks: 219


Morningside
Mode: train Suburb: Morningside Address: Waminda Street, Morningside QLD 4170 Number of parks: 186


Murarrie
Mode: train Suburb: Murarrie Address: Murrarie Road, Murrarie QLD 4172 Number of parks: 48


Norman Park
Mode: train Suburb: Norman Park Address: Waite Street, Norman Park QLD 4170 Number of parks: 112


Sleemans Sports Complex (Chandler)
At times this car park may also be used by people attending events at the Sleeman Sports Centre and parking may be more difficult to find. Mode: bus Suburb: Chandler Address: Cnr Old Cleveland Road and Tilley Road, Chandler QLD 4155 Number of parks: 500


Wynnum
Mode: train Suburb: Wynnum Address: Thorn Street, Wynnum QLD 4178 Number of parks: 37


Wynnum Central
Mode: train Suburb: Wynnum Address: Ronald Street, Wynnum Central QLD 4178 Number of parks: 117


Wynnum North
Mode: train Suburb: Wynnum Address: Cameron Parade, Wynnum North QLD 4178 Number of parks: 32

Western Region

Booval
Mode: train Suburb: Booval Address: South Station Road, Booval QLD 4304 Number of parks: 233


Bundamba
Mode: train Suburb: Bundamba Address: Mining Street, Bundamba QLD 4304 Number of parks: 60


Dinmore
Mode: train Suburb: Dinmore Address: Mason Street, Dinmore QLD 4303 Number of parks: 490


East Ipswich
Mode: train Suburb: East Ipswich Address: Merton Street, East Ipswich QLD 4305 Number of parks: 258


Ebbw Vale
Mode: train Suburb: Ebbw Vale Address: Brisbane Road, Ebbw Vale QLD 4304 Number of parks: 72


Gailes
Mode: train Suburb: Gailes Address: Wilruna Street, Gailes QLD 4300 Number of parks: 77


Goodna
Mode: train Suburb: Goodna Address: Ryan Street, Goodna QLD 4300 Number of parks: 243


Karrabin
Mode: train Suburb: Karrabin Address: Karrabin - Rosewood Road, Karrabin QLD 4306 Number of parks: 26


Redbank
Mode: train Suburb: Redbank Address: Cnr Brisbane Tce & Weedman St, Redbank QLD 4301 Number of parks: 224


Riverview
Mode: train Suburb: Riverview Address: Moggill Ferry Road, Riverview QLD 4303 Number of parks: 63


Rosewood
Mode: train Suburb: Rosewood Address: Railway Street, Rosewood QLD 4340 Number of parks: 33


Wacol
Mode: train Suburb: Wacol Address: Wilcuna Street, Wacol QLD 4076 Number of parks: 262


Walloon
Mode: train Suburb: Walloon Address: Station Lane, Walloon QLD 4306 Number of parks: 26

Brisbane South

Altandi (Sunnybank)
Mode: train Suburb: Sunnybank Address: 125 Mains Road, Sunnybank QLD 4109 Number of parks: 103


ANZ Stadium (Nathan)
At times this car park may also be used by people attending events at ANZ Stadium and parking may be more difficult to find. Mode: bus Suburb: Nathan Address: Mains Road, Nathan QLD 4111 Number of parks: 400


Banoon (Sunnybank)
Mode: train Suburb: Sunnybank Address: 82 Bretton Street, Sunnybank QLD 4109 Number of parks: 231


Buranda (Woolloongabba)
Mode: train Suburb: Buranda Address: Gillingham Street, Woolloongabba QLD 4102 Number of parks: 25


Coopers Plains
Mode: train Suburb: Coopers Plains Address: Henley Street, Coopers Plains QLD 4108 Number of parks: 144


Eight Mile Plains
Mode: bus Suburb: Eight Mile Plains Address: Miles Platting Road, Eight Mile Plains QLD 4113 Number of parks: 890


Fruitgrove (Runcorn)
Mode: train Suburb: Fruitgrove Address: Beenleigh Road, Runcorn QLD 4113 Number of parks: 145


Holland Park
Mode: bus Suburb: Holland Park Address: Logan Road, Holland Park QLD 4121 Number of parks: 56


Klumpp Road (Upper Mt Gravatt)
Mode: bus Suburb: Mount Gravatt Address: Klumpp Road, Mount Gravatt QLD 4122 Number of parks: 200


Kuraby
Mode: train Suburb: Kuraby Address: 1370 Beenleigh Road, Kuraby QLD 4112 Number of parks: 161


Macgregor
Mode: bus Suburb: Macgregor Address: Kessels Road, Macgregor QLD 4109 (adjacent to the Pacific Motorway) Number of parks: 256


Moorooka
Mode: train Suburb: Moorooka Address: 1151 Ipswich Road, Moorooka QLD 4105 Number of parks: 18


Rocklea
Mode: train Suburb: Rocklea Address: Brooke Street, Rocklea QLD 4106 Number of parks: 25


Runcorn
Mode: train Suburb: Runcorn Address: 800 Beenleigh Road, Runcorn QLD 4113 Number of parks: 132


Salisbury
Mode: train Suburb: Salisbury Address: Olivia Avenue, Salisbury QLD 4107 Number of parks: 22


Sunnybank
Mode: train Suburb: Sunnybank Address: Dixon Street, Sunnybank QLD 4109 Number of parks: 231


Upper Mt Gravatt
Mode: bus Suburb: Upper Mt Gravatt Address: Macgregor Street, Upper Mt Gravatt (Garden City) QLD 4122 Number of parks: 111


Yeerongpilly
Mode: train Suburb: Yeerongpilly Address: 67 Wilkie Street, Yeerongpilly QLD 4105 Number of parks: 25


Yeronga
Mode: train Suburb: Yeronga Address: Fairfield Road, Yeronga QLD 4104 Number of parks: 167

Eastern Region

Cleveland
Mode: train Suburb: Cleveland Address: Shore Street, Cleveland QLD 4163 Number of parks: 238


Birkdale
Mode: train Suburb: Birkdale Address: Napier Street, Birkdale, Queensland 4159 Number of parks: 118


Ormiston
Mode: train Suburb: Ormiston Address: Wellington Street, Ormiston, Queensland 4160 Number of parks: 179


Thorneside
Mode: train Suburb: Thornside Address: Railway Parade, Thorneside, Queensland 4158 Number of parks: 113


Wellington Point
Mode: train Suburb: Wellington Point Address: Station Street, Wellington Point, Queensland 4160 Number of parks: 119


Southern Region

Beenleigh
Mode: train Suburb: Beenleigh Address: Alamein St, Beenleigh QLD 4207 Number of parks: 433


Bethania
Mode: train Suburb: Bethania Address: Station Road, Bethania QLD 4205 Number of parks: 89


Edens Landing
Mode: train Suburb: Edens Address: Eddy Avenue, Edens Landing QLD 4207 Number of parks: 22


Greenbank RSL (Hillcrest)
Mode: bus Suburb: Greenbank Address: Corporate Place, Hillcrest QLD 4118 Number of parks: 250


Holmview
Mode: train Suburb: Beenleigh Address: Spanns Road, Beenleigh QLD 4118 Number of parks: 66


Loganholme
Mode: bus Suburb: Shailer Park Address: Mandew Street, Shailer Park QLD 4128 Number of parks: 180


Park Ridge
Mode: bus Suburb: Park Ridge Address: Cnr of Mount Lindsay Hwy and Crest Road QLD 4125 Number of parks: 200


Slacks Creek park 'n' ride
Mode: bus Suburb: Slacks Creek Address: Cnr Loganlea and Nujooloo Roads, Slacks Creek QLD 4127 Number of parks: 200


Springwood
Mode: bus Mode: bus Suburb: Springwood Address: Pacific Hwy offramp, near Baker Street, Springwood QLD 4127 Number of parks: 144


Trinder Park
Mode: train Suburb: Trinder Park Address: Railway Parade, Trinder Park QLD 4114 Number of parks: 104


Woodridge
Mode: train Suburb: Woodridge Address: Station Road, Woodridge QLD 4114 Number of parks: 191


Gold Coast

Coomera
Mode: train Suburb: Coomera Address: Railway Reserve, 11 Foxwell Road, Coomera QLD 4209 Number of parks: 565


Helensvale
Mode: train Suburb: Helensvale Address: Town Centre Drive, Helensvale QLD 4212 Number of parks: 877


Nerang
Mode: train Suburb: Nerang Address: Warrener Street, Nerang QLD 4211 Number of parks: 690


Ormeau
Mode: train Suburb: Pimpama Address: 200 Mirambeena Drive, Pimpama QLD 4208 Number of parks: 237


Robina
Mode: train Suburb: Robina Address: Bayberry Lane, Robina QLD 4226 Number of parks: 894


Varsity Lakes
Mode: train Suburb: Varisty Lakes Address: Corner Scottsdale Drive and Cormandel Lane, Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Number of parks: 300

[ozbob]

Eight Mile Plains
Mode: bus Suburb: Eight Mile Plains Address: Miles Platting Road, Eight Mile Plains QLD 4113 Number of parks: 890

This ^ must do a few purists' heads in ... lol

In an ideal world feeder buses for all, simply is going to happen any time soon ... people do not like to transfer, it is anti-Queensland, but they will ooze out of their car seat ...  walking to a station or a bus stop is just too hard!  Get real Queensland we won't transfer!!   

[Jonno]

Many of these park n rides now stick out like a sore thumb next to urban and transit-oriented development.  Many have served their time and should be redeveloped

[somebody]

Many of these park n rides now stick out like a sore thumb next to urban and transit-oriented development. 

I've particularly noticed this effect at Helensvale.

[Jonno]

Many of these park n rides now stick out like a sore thumb next to urban and transit-oriented development.  Many have served their time and should be redeveloped

What would be the development?

How have they served there time if they are still used?

Combination of public space and medium to high density TOD with focus on place creation.  They have served thier purpose as the surrounding walk up now outstrips the # of car parks plus options for cross-city feeder service exist. 

[Jonno]

Many of these park n rides now stick out like a sore thumb next to urban and transit-oriented development.  Many have served their time and should be redeveloped

What would be the development?

How have they served there time if they are still used?

Combination of public space and medium to high density TOD with focus on place creation.  They have served thier purpose as the surrounding walk up now outstrips the # of car parks plus options for cross-city feeder service exist. 

TOD?

So what do you propose, removal of these car spaces so people park in back streets? When I travel by train in Brisbane I frequently use these car parks. They never seem empty so they are used and have a purpose.

Yep Sorry lets leave it as is because we are just leading g the world in sustainability and active/public transport usage!!  Copenhagen, Netherlands, Vancouver, Berlin eat your heart out. Brisbane has it nailed!!!

[#Metro]

Just putting a building in the carpark will not solve everything. Why? People tend to move house only very slowly and while transit access is great for those new units/apartments/houses near the stations, it still leaves the question on how practical it is for people who do NOT live near the station are going to get to the station.

And, for Brisbane especially, how to get to the station given the fact that BCC is hellbent on running it's high-waste direct bus network style and avoiding train stations at all costs. Cycling can be slow, dangerous and not for everyone (i.e a mother with two young kids, needs to drop them off at kindy/school and then head to work).

If I live out at Inala, no amount of TOD around Ipswich line stations is going to help me get to the station. If I live at Yeronga, no amount of TOD is going to get me to the station in the morning. For that you need more than access, you need mobility. Car currently fills that gap (Thanks to the BCC - Brisbane Car Commission).

[Jonno]

So because The bus network is a failure we should retain unsafe, useless, attractive car parks where we dhold have a public space.  This is why we have public trsnsport at 8% of trips not 40%+.

Please look at what leading cities are discussing in terms of place creation, complete streets, density done right, walkability, cycling. 

Brisbane is going in the wrong direction.  Protecting  car parks in inner cities suburbs is no different to retaining our bus network!

[HappyTrainGuy]

The poor bus network has alot more at fault than the space that a park and ride occupies in the 8% of PT usage. Bracken Ridge is a stones throw away from the Strathpine/Westfield yet its got 1 hourly route that doesn't even run between the two areas during peak hour. Same with the 338 at Eatons Hill (its every 2 hours on weekends). Actually why not throw in the entire local area bus routes for Warner, Bray Park, Strathpine, Lawnton and Petrie. Its only been recently that the local 335 actually stopped at the nearby Westfield during peak hour when the 339 was finally axed. 329 runs from the start of Bracken Ridge to Carseldine in the peak direction only. 325/326/327/328/335 are a combined mess through Zillmere and Taigum.

I can continue with the huge faults up this way that makes it perferable to drive than using PT. Frequency, span of hours, scenic and zig zaging routes, routes from different areas swapping terminuses eg the 359 takes over the 338 duties, 357 takes the 359 duties and the 338 will take over the 359 duties, routes that change depending on the time of day/public school term/private school term, the fastest route between Aspley and the Railway line at Geebung is 10 minutes but its a 2 hour frequency route between both peaks only (9am-4pm), the 327 arrives at the Geebung station the same time the train does, the 325 arrives before the train does, the 335 goes past Carseldine at 8.30, 340 buz isn't much better, NO SUNDAY SERVICES still exist, lack of cross town routes (east to west) and the list of the mess of a PT network just goes on and on! The Translink network review address alot of these problems but that got s**t canned back to BCC which still makes me angry as it really did improve the access to and between areas vastly compared to other regions.

Here's what I got to contend with if I decided to use my local PT.



Think I'd rather just hop in the car and drive there.

[Jonno]

As 82% of trips do.  Failure personified!!!

[HappyTrainGuy]

So because The bus network is a failure we should retain unsafe, useless, attractive car parks where we dhold have a public space.  This is why we have public trsnsport at 8% of trips not 40%+.

Please look at what leading cities are discussing in terms of place creation, complete streets, density done right, walkability, cycling. 

Brisbane is going in the wrong direction.  Protecting  car parks in inner cities suburbs is no different to retaining our bus network!

Many of these older carparks are actually on QR's ROW easement, hardly public space.

unsafe, only as unsafe as the surrounding suburbia

Many of the leading cities you previously listed do have car parks at stations and I can name more from personal experience such as Munich and Oslo of which these cities compare poorly in structure to Brisbane. There is a big difference to cities or parts of cities that evolved before the 1950's car boom ie much of the inner to medium cities of Europe and inner cities of Australia and those who evolved since the 1950's ie most of the outer fringes of many European cities and most of Australian Cities. Remember most European cities have barely seen their population grow by double since WW2 yet in Australia its in some cases 10 fold.

Germany, often claimed to be one of leaders in PT. Every city and town I went to has able parking. I stayed in the CBD of Numerberg and left my car at a railway station because the hostel didn't have a space (only one that didn't). Koln, there is a major carpark near the city HBH station.

QR car parks are very well lit and have plenty of CCTV cameras. Unfortunatly the same can not be said for a majority of the areas directly surround the station/station entrances/park and ride which is on council land. Dakabin. The station and the car park is well lit but the streets beside it aren't. Zillmere was well known for a short period of having people lurking (doing drugs, drinking, fighting, vandalising) in the unused property on the left and in the property to the right of the station. IIRC one person was assulted at the station by a group hanging around the station overpass who then ran and hid in the vacant yard). Bray Park was similar with people hanging around doing drugs and loitering in the unlit parks to the north of the station. Geebung has had a couple assults from people hanging out at the unused bus stop outside the station (poor lighting as its under trees). There has been a few assults/roberies along the pathway/alleyway from Lawnton's level crossing to the properties to the south. There's been assults under the Samsonvale overpass south of Bray Park station. A few surrounding Bray Park station to the east with them running and hiding in the nearby school grounds/parks at night.

I like many other forum members here have no problem riding trains and buses without being in fear or having concerns for our safety. But as soon as you get off the bus or walk out of the station grounds (mostly and especially at night) is where we all have alot of safety concerns.

[ozbob]

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