Car parking - solutions?

[HappyTrainGuy]

And a number of them could be parking there on weekends because other services near by have stuff all running times or they take too long. Take the 335 from your recent suggestion (Which I sort of like from the sounds of it). Why would people that live in Aspley catch it when they could drive to Aspley Hypermarket/Chermside Westfield and catch the 333/345 buz routes that runs every 15mins from 6am with the last bus leaving the city close to midnight compared to the 335's first city service leaving at close to 9am (the last service to the city leaves at 4:50pm) with the last bus leaving Queen Street at 5.50pm on an hourly frequency on Sundays.

[somebody]

And a number of them could be parking there on weekends because other services near by have stuff all running times or they take too long. Take the 335 from your recent suggestion (Which I sort of like from the sounds of it). Why would people that live in Aspley catch it when they could drive to Aspley Hypermarket/Chermside Westfield and catch the 333/345 buz routes that runs every 15mins from 6am with the last bus leaving the city close to midnight compared to the 335's first city service leaving at close to 9am (the last service to the city leaves at 4:50pm) with the last bus leaving Queen Street at 5.50pm on an hourly frequency on Sundays.

Well, no one would use the 335 if they had a car.  Let's face facts here.

They could park at the Aspley Hypermarket and use the 345, although I'd think that parking at Chermside where you can pick up the 330/340 as well as a BUZ would be far more attractive.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Well, no one would use the 335 if they had a car.  Let's face facts here.

Hahaha.

It would be interesting to know if the 345 passenger numbers would increase after Chermside has paid parking.

[Sunbus610]

Well, no one would use the 335 if they had a car.  Let's face facts here.

Hahaha.

It would be interesting to know if the 345 passenger numbers would increase after Chermside has paid parking.

Why don't the Queensland Government (TMR/TRANSLink) purchase or lease a portion/number of carpark spaces at these major shopping centres like Chermside, Toombul, Garden City, Carindale etc strictly for PT commuters' who might choose to drive in from say outer suburbs or areas where PT services isn't very frequent to transport hubs like these where bus services (or rail services) are far more frequent??

[dwb]

Why don't the Queensland Government (TMR/TRANSLink) purchase or lease a portion/number of carpark spaces at these major shopping centres like Chermside, Toombul, Garden City, Carindale etc strictly for PT commuters' who might choose to drive in from say outer suburbs or areas where PT services isn't very frequent to transport hubs like these where bus services (or rail services) are far more frequent??

Cost for benefit. Already TL wastes too much money on park and rides. Services are more important.

[Jonno]

The fact that anyone drives to catch public transport is a failure in urban and transport planning. I drive to Morningside Railway Station because there is not bus lane on Wynnum Road thus bus is too slow. Failure!! Same goes for any park and ride. 

Yes they are a solution but only after a failure to plan properly. Second rate and expensive solution.

[Sunbus610]

I understand what you mean but I'm sure that there are many people do this hence why Wastefield (Westfield) Chermside is planning introducing a time limit on parking within their grounds. I've got to admit I was once a culprit for this years ago simply because it was free to leave the car at Chermside (after driving down from the Coast on a Monday morning) rather than continuing into the City or Southbank where you were slugged with parking fees.

Another example is Petrie railway station, this station has 520 commuter carpark spaces and yet they are all full by about 7:30am each weekday morning simply because many people drive in from surrounding suburbs like Mango Hill, Narangba, French's Forest (Petrie), Murrumba Downs, North Lakes, Kallangur, Rothwell to name a few simply rather than catch a bus from home first. And this, in my opinion, is generally because the bus services that bring people from their homes to Petrie station don't run frequently enough during morning/afternoon peaks or take too long, with all stop services and the lack of express buses

[ozbob]

http://www.scottemerson.com.au/media-releases/

Opposition Statement

Labor fails commuters on park 'n' ride

Thursday, 23 June 2011 10:27

Westfield's decision to introduce paid parking at Chermside shopping centre is a result of the State Labor Government's failure to provide adequate park 'n' ride facilities for commuters, the Opposition said today.

Shadow Minister for Transport Scott Emerson said while he did not support Westfield's decision, it had been triggered by the Labor Government's failure to provide parking for the 5,000 commuters that use the Chermside bus interchange.

"The Bligh Government has repeatedly failed in its duty over many years to provide park 'n' ride facilities including at Chermside," Mr Emerson said.

"Labor has even banned any new or additional park 'n' ride services within ten kilometres of the CBD, resulting in local residents' frustration with their streets parked out by commuters.

"Worse still, the Bligh Government's plans for the Northern Busway station at Chermside do not include any provision for commuter parking.

"Another local example of Labor's failure to plan is the $27 million upgrade to the Indooroopilly train station - the busiest station outside the CBD – where the Bligh Government failed to include park 'n' ride facilities clogging up residential streets with commuters' cars," Mr Emerson said.

Mr Emerson said public transport users were fed up with years of neglect under this long-term Labor Government.

"A CanDo LNP government will cut waste and deliver on the basics for all Queenslanders," said Mr Emerson.

[dwb]

http://www.scottemerson.com.au/media-releases/

Opposition Statement

Labor fails commuters on park 'n' ride

Thursday, 23 June 2011 10:27

Westfield's decision to introduce paid parking at Chermside shopping centre is a result of the State Labor Government's failure to provide adequate park 'n' ride facilities for commuters, the Opposition said today.

Shadow Minister for Transport Scott Emerson said while he did not support Westfield's decision, it had been triggered by the Labor Government's failure to provide parking for the 5,000 commuters that use the Chermside bus interchange.

"The Bligh Government has repeatedly failed in its duty over many years to provide park 'n' ride facilities including at Chermside," Mr Emerson said.

"Labor has even banned any new or additional park 'n' ride services within ten kilometres of the CBD, resulting in local residents' frustration with their streets parked out by commuters.

"Worse still, the Bligh Government's plans for the Northern Busway station at Chermside do not include any provision for commuter parking.

"Another local example of Labor's failure to plan is the $27 million upgrade to the Indooroopilly train station - the busiest station outside the CBD – where the Bligh Government failed to include park 'n' ride facilities clogging up residential streets with commuters' cars," Mr Emerson said.

Mr Emerson said public transport users were fed up with years of neglect under this long-term Labor Government.

"A CanDo LNP government will cut waste and deliver on the basics for all Queenslanders," said Mr Emerson.

Honestly, I can't listen to these LNP twats anymore

[Sunbus610]

http://www.scottemerson.com.au/media-releases/

Opposition Statement

Labor fails commuters on park 'n' ride

"Another local example of Labor's failure to plan is the $27 million upgrade to the Indooroopilly train station - the busiest station outside the CBD – where the Bligh Government failed to include park 'n' ride facilities clogging up residential streets with commuters' cars," Mr Emerson said.

Mmmmm, and lets hope that BCC don't start introducing time limits for 'on street parking' around these effected residential streets. I'm sure the local residence must get a tad fed-up, I know I would, with vehicles continually parked all day outside their residence.

[dwb]

Mmmmm, and lets hope that BCC don't start introducing time limits for 'on street parking' around these effected residential streets. I'm sure the local residence must get a tad fed-up, I know I would, with vehicles continually parked all day outside their residence.

Sorry, you don't want time limits for on street parking but you do support residents having the street in front of their house all to themselves?? In residential areas timed on street parking is usually exempted for residents displaying a permit.

[Gazza]

Why do people actually give a crap if a "car is out the front all day". I mean its not as if it's across the driveway. It's just sitting there being harmless.

I could understand if its a very old area with narrow streets and housing built before the car and it was making it hard to navigate, but a lot of Brisbanes streets (This is the one I park and ride from) are like this:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=corinda+station&hl=en&ll=-27.540544,152.97961&spn=0.003815,0.008256&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=61.229641,135.263672&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=-27.540544,152.97961&panoid=nFpNpbbMx22YO8OOZxT3_A&cbp=12,10.15,,0,-3.22
Enough space for a car parked on each side, plus ample room for two directional traffic flow.

Hey what do you know, the streets around Indooroopilly station are just as wide and easy to have both parking and traffic flow in:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=indooroopilly&hl=en&ll=-27.502969,152.978306&spn=0.007632,0.016512&sll=-27.540535,152.979609&sspn=0.003815,0.008256&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=-27.502969,152.978306&panoid=FNyYr8NSXwfzN1RIxVXupw&cbp=12,188.17,,0,3.04

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=indooroopilly&hl=en&ll=-27.502971,152.978311&spn=0.00767,0.016512&sll=-27.540535,152.979609&sspn=0.003815,0.008256&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=-27.503912,152.976877&panoid=bb5sOXy_i_Lg2qyM1p8s0g&cbp=12,189.23,,0,6.37

Where this isn't the case, then some yellow lines should do the trick to ensure proper flow of traffic, as was done at Oxley.

I swear, I've noticed that Queensland seems to have an awful mix of "We're different" and "Epic crybaby" syndrome.

[BrizCommuter]

Well, no one would use the 335 if they had a car.  Let's face facts here.

Hahaha.

It would be interesting to know if the 345 passenger numbers would increase after Chermside has paid parking.

...and if the 345 does get busier, how long will commuters wait until TransLink increase the number of 345 and P343 services to cope with demand? Quite a few of these services are often near or at capacity.

[#Metro]

Why do people actually give a crap if a "car is out the front all day". I mean its not as if it's across the driveway. It's just sitting there being harmless.

A CAR in MY street! SCANDAL!!!

[dwb]

Why do people actually give a crap if a "car is out the front all day". I mean its not as if it's across the driveway. It's just sitting there being harmless.

A CAR in MY street! SCANDAL!!!

And yet this very own forum posts media releases hyping up the end of the world of street parking...

[Gazza]

Personally, I don't care. I mean so many older streets are very wide, so it doesn't hurt.
I would agree that sometimes media releases are over the top, supposedly there is 'parking chaos' at Corinda.... Errrm, no. It's actually easy as to park nearby, and you don't have to turn up early either. When I was at uni and parking there you could turn up at 11am and there were still heaps of spots.

[ozbob]

Parking, a problem all over ..

Twitter

7NewsMelbourne
by ptua
Coming up on 7News @ 6pm. A 7News investigation into the car parking struggle for commuters.  http://t.co/S7mK7aN
1 hour ago

[O_128]

Parking, a problem all over ..

Twitter

7NewsMelbourne
by ptua
Coming up on 7News @ 6pm. A 7News investigation into the car parking struggle for commuters.  http://t.co/S7mK7aN
1 hour ago

Who wants to bet on sterotypes?

1. Woman who says shes always late after dropping her kids at childcare
2. Overweight woman in the northern suburbs having a cry
3. A student

[HappyTrainGuy]

Can't forget the poor cabbie.

[ozbob]

Twitter

ptua PTUA
Ch7: station parking pain http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/vic/watch/26001355/ - Appalling connecting bus services mean many forced to drive to stations
3 minutes ago

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emphasis mine,   the car centric plan is falling down all over folks!

[dwb]

Twitter

ptua PTUA
Ch7: station parking pain http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/vic/watch/26001355/ - Appalling connecting bus services mean many forced to drive to stations
3 minutes ago

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emphasis mine,   the car centric plan is falling down all over folks!

It sounds like a large contributing problem here is the fare structure, Laverton is on the zone1/2 fare boundary, which in Melbourne makes a big difference to your fare. If they had more zones, so that the difference between zones in distance and cost wasn't so large this wouldn't be such a large problem at this specific station.

Bus feeders aren't the only solution, for instance I doubt they'd work here, as people would be boarding the feeder back near their "home" railway station and paying the zone 2 fee anyway... something they're not doing at the moment.

[ozbob]

From the Courier Mail  click here!

Brisbane carparks more expensive than New York

Brisbane carparks more expensive than New York

    From: The Courier-Mail
    July 27, 2011 12:00AM

IT is more expensive to park your car in Brisbane than downtown New York.

Motorists fork out $US41.09 on a daily basis at Brisbane parking garages, according to the latest Colliers International global parking rate survey.

In downtown New York, the cost is $US30 a day, climbing to $US533 a month.

On a monthly basis, Brisbane was the 14th most expensive city in the world, but still behind Melbourne, Sydney and Perth, the most pricey in Australia at $US717.43.

The City of London topped the global ranking with a monthly rate of $US1083.59, which made somewhere like Beijing seem like a bargain at just $US154.70 a month or $7.05 a day.

[SurfRail]

I don't know what they expect.  We have CBD centric cities, too many people still drive into them and, in the case of the Brisbane CBD, it is very small relative to all other capitals in the country. 

All this reflects is demand. 

Clearly people are still parking in these places, otherwise the operators would be going under.

[Mr X]

Parking, a problem all over ..

Twitter

7NewsMelbourne
by ptua
Coming up on 7News @ 6pm. A 7News investigation into the car parking struggle for commuters.  http://t.co/S7mK7aN
1 hour ago

Who wants to bet on sterotypes?

1. Woman who says shes always late after dropping her kids at childcare
2. Overweight woman in the northern suburbs having a cry
3. A student

Who wants to bet it has a fat woman with 3 kids going to a private school driving a 4WD to the city and complaining about petrol prices, parking fees and  *oh noes* the "rising cost of living" [hate that phrase].

Plus you gotta include a pensioner for the sympathy factor.

[somebody]

I don't know what they expect.  We have CBD centric cities, too many people still drive into them and, in the case of the Brisbane CBD, it is very small relative to all other capitals in the country. 

All this reflects is demand. 

Clearly people are still parking in these places, otherwise the operators would be going under.

Better PT would really reduce these parking prices.  Obviously this isn't a very price sensitive area of the market.

Did I just make the "statement of the obvious" of the year?

[ozbob]

Herald Sun  --> Anger at university parking rate hike

[dwb]

Herald Sun  --> Anger at university parking rate hike

That is still damn cheap and like the university says, doesn't cover the cost of construction and maintenance of those facilities!

[SurfRail]

Better PT would really reduce these parking prices.  Obviously this isn't a very price sensitive area of the market.

Did I just make the "statement of the obvious" of the year?

Certainly up there... 

I think there certainly is price sensitivity - just that the portion of the market that is not prepared to pay is not great enough to displace the fact that CBD car parks are still routinely full.  Likewise with peak hour PT fares - there may be plenty who will not pay them, but there are plenty enough who do.  Quite an inelastic situation.

[Golliwog]

Herald Sun  --> Anger at university parking rate hike

CAR parking fees at a major university will rise by up to 300 per cent in a bid to encourage public transport use and cut carbon emissions.

The Deakin University price hike has outraged staff and students, with reserved parking spots to cost $1500 a year - about $1000 more than now. General parking permits for staff will double to $400 annually, while students will pay $250, up $47.

Daily rates will increase by 50 per cent to $7.50.

Read more: http://www.news.com.auhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/anger-at-university-parking-rate-hike/story-e6frf7jo-1226103000687#ixzz1TNtlpJCC

Where do they get the 300% rise from? The highest I could find is the reserved parking one which is going up by $1000 which is a 200% increase.

Not idea what a reserved car park at UQ costs but a day ticket is $3 last I checked (At Coniffers Knoll anyway, the multi story may be $5)

[somebody]

Better PT would really reduce these parking prices.  Obviously this isn't a very price sensitive area of the market.

Did I just make the "statement of the obvious" of the year?

Certainly up there... 

I think there certainly is price sensitivity - just that the portion of the market that is not prepared to pay is not great enough to displace the fact that CBD car parks are still routinely full.  Likewise with peak hour PT fares - there may be plenty who will not pay them, but there are plenty enough who do.  Quite an inelastic situation.

What I was trying to say is that PT fares aren't the cause of these people's decision to drive or use PT.  Obviously given that they are willing to pay high prices for parking, they aren't put off using PT by fares.

Sorry, could have phrased that better before.

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Is paid parking good value for money?

[SurfRail]

I can guarantee you we will never see an "Is parking good value for money?" story.

BCC requires mandatory parking coverage, but it took the High Court years to imply a very stunted form of freedom of speech in a line of cases full of torturous legal reasoning.  Conclusion - parking is more of an inalienable right than free speech in this country!

[somebody]

I can guarantee you we will never see an "Is parking good value for money?" story.

BCC requires mandatory parking coverage, but it took the High Court years to imply a very stunted form of freedom of speech in a line of cases full of torturous legal reasoning.  Conclusion - parking is more of an inalienable right than free speech in this country!

Well, at least in the BCC area.  Given that parking is strongly discouraged in the Sydney CBD, I do not think you can say that it's the country as a whole.

[SurfRail]

I can guarantee you we will never see an "Is parking good value for money?" story.

BCC requires mandatory parking coverage, but it took the High Court years to imply a very stunted form of freedom of speech in a line of cases full of torturous legal reasoning.  Conclusion - parking is more of an inalienable right than free speech in this country!

Well, at least in the BCC area.  Given that parking is strongly discouraged in the Sydney CBD, I do not think you can say that it's the country as a whole.

I wouldn't say strongly discouraged at large, just in terms of coverage in new developments.  And it certainly doesn't stop them building multi-storey carparks at railway stations all over the system.

[somebody]

And it certainly doesn't stop them building multi-storey carparks at railway stations all over the system.

No, it certainly doesn't.  The failure to adopt integrated ticketing is doubtless a factor here.

[ozbob]

From the Brisbane mX 9th August 2011 page 2

Parkers pay the price

[ozbob]

Radio 612 ABC Brisbane Breakfast might be doing a story on park n' ride this coming week.

[ozbob]

Queensland Times --> Carparking crackdown

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail click here!

Brisbane city councillor Kim Flesser urges fight against Westfield Chermside parking fees

Brisbane city councillor Kim Flesser urges fight against Westfield Chermside parking fees

    Robyn Ironside
    From: The Courier-Mail
    August 29, 2011 12:00AM

A LABOR councillor has challenged Brisbane's Lord Mayor to get tough with retail giant Westfield over its plans to introduce paid parking at Chermside shopping centre later this year.

The Courier-Mail revealed in June that Westfield would introduce carpark charges in October in an effort to stop commuters taking parks meant for shoppers.

In a passionate email to constituents, Northgate Ward Cr Kim Flesser said he was angry at the council's "weak response to Westfield's greedy plans to make shoppers and staff pay for parking".

"Campbell Newman wouldn't have copped this move from Westfield. He would have taken them to the courts to protect shoppers' and staff interests," Cr Flesser said.

"Jim Soorley would probably have gone further and organised a blockade to try to intimidate Westfield into doing the right thing."

Cr Flesser said he was "ashamed to be associated with a council that was so afraid of powerful multinational companies that donate to political parties, that it was too scared to 'take them on' when they were wrong".

But council's Neighbourhood Planning chairman Amanda Cooper said that there was nothing council could do to stop Westfield - as owners of the land - from charging people to park.

"Council's legal advice has confirmed Westfield is able to introduce paid carparking without any approval from council," Cr Cooper said.

She said Cr Flesser's outburst was the first time he had spoken out about the issue and it appeared to be nothing more than a mischievous attack on the Lord Mayor.

"Cr Flesser and his Labor colleagues voted against a proposal supported by Lord Mayor Graham Quirk and LNP councillors reaffirming that the introduction of paid parking at Westfield Chermside was not supported by council," Cr Cooper said.

[ozbob]

Radio 612 ABC Brisbane Breakfast might be doing a story on park n' ride this coming week.

The park n' ride piece was played on air around 6.20am this morning, hopefully will be up on the  612 ABC Brisbane Spencer Howson Breakfast Blog later this morning.