Car parking - solutions?

[ozbob]

Fighting an uphill battle. Its us + maybe some nimbys who don't like their streets full of cars vs council and those already entrenched in doing things this way.
"our diggers who fought so that we could have these car parks"
:bi

I ' fought ' as a Digger for trains!  More trains!!   

[verbatim9]

It's always been like that in Qld and very hard to get people to use multi mode public transport to and from work. Even more difficult on weekends and public holidays. People seem to like to drive to the nearest train or bus station and use a direct service. It will be a long time before perceptions change to get people to use feeder buses to a train or main bus station to get to their destination. Savvy Public Transport advocates and users tend to think otherwise but the overall perception of the Qld population seem to like private vehicles and ride share over Public Transport.

[verbatim9]

It's always been like that in Qld very hard to get people to use multi mode public transport to and from work. Even more difficult on weekends and public holidays. People seem to like to drive to the nearest train or bus station and use a direct service. It will be a long time before perceptions change to get people to use feeder buses to a train or main bus station to get to their destination. Savvy Public Transport advocates and users tend to think otherwise but the overall perception of the Qld population seem to like private vehicles and ride share over Public Transport.

In Sydney and Melbourne it's another story with constant vehicle congestion on arterial roads and a huge spike of migration from countries used to commuting with Public transport. This has caused a spike and demand for better public transport services in those cities. Brisbane has just really had an overflow effect from the spike in migration. Tending to get more established people from Vic and NSW who are already car centric in many ways.

The only exception to this are the Uni routes and inner city routes (City Glider, 199 and 196) where car ownership is low compared to 5 km out of the CBD limits.

The trams has been somewhat successful. But then people still park at and around tram LRT stations. Very few would bus-tram- train-bus each way to work. Most people tend to only Tram-Train to work.

[SurfRail]

Data I've seen previously indicates buses vacuum up something between 30 and 50% of passengers coming off trains and trams at Gold Coast line stations and the busier tram stops.  It works if you make it work (Broadbeach South), it fails if you put zero effort in (Springfield Central).

[verbatim9]

Data I've seen previously indicates buses vacuum up something between 30 and 50% of passengers coming off trains and trams at Gold Coast line stations and the busier tram stops.  It works if you make it work (Broadbeach South), it fails if you put zero effort in (Springfield Central).

It may have been up to 50% prior to LRT. But if you were to look at it now it would be  surely on the lower scale from Helensvale.

[SurfRail]

Well yes, but that's still an intermodal interchange as opposed to people parking there.

[achiruel]

Data I've seen previously indicates buses vacuum up something between 30 and 50% of passengers coming off trains and trams at Gold Coast line stations and the busier tram stops.  It works if you make it work (Broadbeach South), it fails if you put zero effort in (Springfield Central).

It may have been up to 50% prior to LRT. But if you were to look at it now it would be  surely on the lower scale from Helensvale.

Helensvale still has plenty of bus services leaving from it, including the HF 704. Plenty of people on it when I was there last Saturday.

[James]

It's always been like that in Qld and very hard to get people to use multi mode public transport to and from work. Even more difficult on weekends and public holidays. People seem to like to drive to the nearest train or bus station and use a direct service. It will be a long time before perceptions change to get people to use feeder buses to a train or main bus station to get to their destination. Savvy Public Transport advocates and users tend to think otherwise but the overall perception of the Qld population seem to like private vehicles and ride share over Public Transport.

This is because the feeder bus frequency is poor and the parking plentiful.

I am sure the people of Springfield would rather use the bus, except they have the 522 as an excuse. Even half-hourly is pretty poor for a service feeding into trains every 12 minutes, and the constant late running would put people off even further.

Cities all over the world use feeder buses which work effectively, it's just there are few (no?) effective feeder buses in BCC's area, and beyond that, bus frequency is shocking in Brisbane.

[#Metro]

Why do people drive, or even catch a bus to the station? Because they don't live near the station. So let people live near the station - build medium and high density within the station walking catchments. Change the rules so this is the default unless overturned locally through a process.

Immense amounts of money are being spent (billions) just so we can provide 2 trains per hour. That is not value for money!! And neither are $60K parking spaces.

And the great thing about homes near stations - every time they get turned over the state gets stamp duty revenue, and the council gets rates.

The other thing is, if local councils want more service above the default service levels, they should pay. Queensland is in a different situation to other states where councils are 'handkerchief' size. Here, they usually encompass whole cities so, it makes sense for them to contribute.

[verbatim9]

It's always been like that in Qld and very hard to get people to use multi mode public transport to and from work. Even more difficult on weekends and public holidays. People seem to like to drive to the nearest train or bus station and use a direct service. It will be a long time before perceptions change to get people to use feeder buses to a train or main bus station to get to their destination. Savvy Public Transport advocates and users tend to think otherwise but the overall perception of the Qld population seem to like private vehicles and ride share over Public Transport.

This is because the feeder bus frequency is poor and the parking plentiful.

I am sure the people of Springfield would rather use the bus, except they have the 522 as an excuse. Even half-hourly is pretty poor for a service feeding into trains every 12 minutes, and the constant late running would put people off even further.

Cities all over the world use feeder buses which work effectively, it's just there are few (no?) effective feeder buses in BCC's area, and beyond that, bus frequency is shocking in Brisbane.

If you think that you are denial James. Most Australians living in suburbs prefer to drive than catch multi modes to their destination. Special events like the footy is an exemption. People tend to drive to the nearest station. Even in Melbourne it's like this when the AFL season is in full swing. People park in and around the inner suburban stations then catch the train.

The only reason people don't drive all the way to their work place in the city is because of the cost of parking and parking restrictions. The same goes with special events. Parking needs to be restricted or controlled with payment. Then you will find people will think about the economics of driving and search for alternatives.

[verbatim9]

It's always been like that in Qld and very hard to get people to use multi mode public transport to and from work. Even more difficult on weekends and public holidays. People seem to like to drive to the nearest train or bus station and use a direct service. It will be a long time before perceptions change to get people to use feeder buses to a train or main bus station to get to their destination. Savvy Public Transport advocates and users tend to think otherwise but the overall perception of the Qld population seem to like private vehicles and ride share over Public Transport.

This is because the feeder bus frequency is poor and the parking plentiful.

I am sure the people of Springfield would rather use the bus, except they have the 522 as an excuse. Even half-hourly is pretty poor for a service feeding into trains every 12 minutes, and the constant late running would put people off even further.

Cities all over the world use feeder buses which work effectively, it's just there are few (no?) effective feeder buses in BCC's area, and beyond that, bus frequency is shocking in Brisbane.

If you think that you are denial James. Most Australians living in suburbs prefer to drive than catch multi modes to their destination. Special events like the footy is an exemption. People tend to drive to the nearest station. Even in Melbourne it's like this when the AFL season is in full swing. People park in and around the inner suburban stations then catch the train.

The only reason people don't drive all the way to their work place in the city is because of the cost of parking and parking restrictions. The same goes with special events. Parking needs to be restricted or controlled with payment. Then you will find people will think about the economics of driving and search for alternatives.

Parking at Stations and other Park n Rides should be controlled and linked in with the smart ticketing project. 1-2 dollars per park is a start with payment deducted from a transport account or credit or debit card as a casual user.

[aldonius]

Car oriented development is killing us in just about every way conceivable.

- suburbia is economically shite compared to denser urban forms
- the need to drive everywhere screws over everyone who can't and is a massive own goal generally
- urban sprawl is eating the region; transport is incredibly inefficient on average

[techblitz]

yeah you only have to look at the shockers that are coomera/Jacobs well/ormeau or flagstone/jimboomba to see it....they love enticing people into homes but take forever to build the required infrastructure...

I'm going to mention kallangur/petrie/dakabin again which paints a rather sad picture....

Kallangur never gets parked out but petrie/dakabin always do.....one can easily put two and two together....cruddy indirect feeder bus which feeds into a semi-express station...hence why hardly anyone needing to commute inwards uses the bus & the p&r never gets full use..

Translink/TMR gave it a go and its a failure.....hopefully they realise it soon and re-work the entire region because there are too many still driving to the city because they either cant get a proper bus route or park their car...

Some ideas to reduce the demand to petrie would be to offer up some petrie - northgate expresses after kallangur.....it may just entice more people onto rail.....knowing that there are 9 less stations to worry about heading to the city....

[timh]

Australian cities (particularly SEQ, maybe a little less so Melbourne) are extremely car oriented. I'm with Metro in that the best way to change the way people use public transport is to change the way we view housing. Denser apartments in grid-like suburbs with high frequency, ROW public transport is much more conducive to efficient, attractive mass transit, as opposed to sprawling, winding cul de sac filled housing estates where you have to walk 30 mins just to find a petrol station (looking at you Rochedale South).
I live in an apartment in a built up area a very short walk from a busway station. Friends of mine who live in the same building and work in the city would never even consider driving to work, it's so much better to bus.
We need more TOD to change the outlook on cars. Densify the residential zoning around every single existing busway station and train station and make it mandatory around all future ones. I've learnt through my own observations and my time on this forum that increasing parking at stations doesjt solve the problem, it just makes it worse.

[James]

If you think that you are denial James. Most Australians living in suburbs prefer to drive than catch multi modes to their destination. Special events like the footy is an exemption. People tend to drive to the nearest station. Even in Melbourne it's like this when the AFL season is in full swing. People park in and around the inner suburban stations then catch the train.

The only reason people don't drive all the way to their work place in the city is because of the cost of parking and parking restrictions. The same goes with special events. Parking needs to be restricted or controlled with payment. Then you will find people will think about the economics of driving and search for alternatives.

Well done, we both stated the basic laws of supply & demand. All else equal, people are using their cars because it is more convenient to do so.

However, much like in a big city, there are now car parking issues at Springfield Central station. Instead of addressing the issues at hand and adding more feeder buses / introducing parking restrictions in surrounding streets, the government is simply building more park and rides. It is a band-aid fix.

Park n Ride will always be a more convenient way of getting to the station. Driving will always be a more convenient mode. But if we all drive everywhere, we'll need huge carparks everywhere, large amounts of roads, and will face an obesity epidemic even bigger than the current one. Can you imagine Toowong station having a carpark big enough to cater to all the people using it? It'd be ridiculous.

Instead, we need to put on better feeder buses, and discourage people from using Park n Ride unless they absolutely need it. Nobody will use the bus if it runs half-hourly and meets every 3rd train, but if it meets every train and waits for the train before it leaves, people will make the switch if the Park n Ride remains capacity constrained.

[ozbob]

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/work-of-assembly/petitions/petition-details?id=3173
Queensland Parliament E-Petition

Expansion of the Carseldine 'Park N Ride' facility

Queensland residents draws to the attention of the House that there is currently insufficient parking for commuters to park at the Carseldine Train Station with the overflow of commuters parking their cars (often illegally) along Beams Road and the surrounding streets. Residents and commuters are becoming increasingly frustrated about the lack of available parking and lack of action on this issue.

Your petitioners, therefore, request the House to expand the existing "Park n Ride' facility or provide an additional space for commuters to park and access the Carseldine Train Station.

[verbatim9]

Lawton Park n Ride to be expanded to hold another 250 vehicles

Station gets parking upgrade

Couriermail--------->https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/moreton/lawnton-train-station-to-get-additional-250-car-parking-spaces/news-story/e65a4412e6e97fe30d04777e732b2c1b

[verbatim9]

Car parking can hurt the hip pocket, with some city operators now charging up to $40 an hour for the privilege.

But new parking services are saving drivers time and money. @AlisonAriotti #9News https://t.co/BF7QL1lgkn


https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1164099447271243778

[verbatim9]

Ideas to utilise empty under utilised  carparks on weekends and public holidays

Commercial real-estate------> https://www.commercialrealestate.com.au/news/how-some-parking-stations-are-being-used-when-the-cars-have-gone-home-875212/

How some parking stations are being used when the cars have gone home

SUE WILLIAMS AUGUST 30, 2019

Car parks are huge expanses of valuable real estate that are often empty, but there is now a growing movement to use them during these down times.

Some are doubling as venues for art exhibitions, concerts, plays, business launches, pop-up bars, a farm, an ice skating rink and even – in a new pilot project launching in September – into shelters for the homeless.

"They're huge spaces on big concrete slabs that can easily be utilised for other functions when they're not being used," said Emilya Colliver, director of Art Pharmacy Consulting, which advises a range of businesses on art and culture.

"They can be venues for art, music, speakers, movie screenings, rehearsals, social events, and gardens and many have good rooftops with spectacular views that can be used as well. They're great ways to activate spaces that can be dark and uninviting and can sometimes feel dangerous, and bring in people and make them brighter and safer and much nicer places to be."

Artist Robin Hearfield's work being shown in the Kings Cross Car Park. Photo: Supplied

As vast areas in prime positions in cities with a high vacancy rate in off-peak periods, many believe these parking stations have enormous potential.

Australia's largest car-park operator Secure Parking is about to launch its own initiative, in partnership with charity Beddown–- which takes unused spaces and turns them into pop-up accommodation for the homeless – at one of its Brisbane CBD car parks at night.

If the trial goes well, the experiment could be rolled out across the country at some of its other 600-odd car parks.

"Beddown re-purposes car parks at night for homeless people with pop-up beds, shower facilities, hairdressing services and counselling, and it also helps for research about people sleeping rough," said Secure spokesman Andrew Sapir.

"We're starting it as a pilot but looking at rolling it out across Australia in our car parks."

An artwork, Unearthed Underground by Liz Glynn, at the Bold Tendencies exhibition in a south London car park. Photo: Oskar Proctor

The industry in general is in favour of looking for alternative uses of car parking when not in demand. Stuart Norman, chief executive of Parking Australia, said: "From an industry point of view, we welcome the multi use of car parks, but obviously it comes down to some sort of agreement between the operators and the owners.

"There are some good ideas out there, but sometimes the arrangements can't be as flexible as some people think they could be."

Overseas, there are some headlining examples of alternative uses. In the UK, a group called Bold Tendencies is using the rooftop and three levels of a car park in south-east London to hold art exhibitions, concerts and a bar. In Paris, there's an underground farm in a car park using LED lights.

In the US, students in Atlanta found that of the 105 million parking spaces in the country – five for every car – at least half were vacant 40 per cent of the time and so they created 12.5-square-metre prototype homes out of car spaces in a car park, in a project called SCADpad.

The underground car park at Melbourne University, which has been used as a backdrop for a film, and for events such as fashion shows. Photo: Luis Ascui

But Australia isn't far behind. In Melbourne, the rooftop of the Federation Square car park has been converted into a "Winter Village" until September 29, complete with an ice skating rink, igloos, bars and DJs.

In addition, the Melbourne Fringe Festival has used car parks around the city for art exhibitions and events, and Fitzroy's Rose Car Park has a bold graffiti installation curated by Graffix Creative to make the space much more colourful and pleasant for car parkers – and prevent unauthorised graffiti tagging.

Meanwhile, a Melbourne University underground car park, just named one of the top 10 most outstanding public architectural works of the last 90 years by industry group Cement Concrete & Aggregates Australia, has been used for movie shoots such as Lion, which was nominated for six Oscars, TV series such as MasterChefand fashion shows.

And then there's the Melbourne Skyfarm, built on 2000 square metres of rooftop car park overlooking the Yarra River.

A band playing at an art exhibition at Ward Street carpark in North Sydney. Photo: Supplied

"The amount of space dedicated to car parking around the world is enormous – 30,000 square kilometres in Europe alone and 25,000 square kilometres in the US," said director Brendan Condon. "Often, it's super-premium space right in the heart of the city and all that concrete and steel creates a heat island effect that makes cities one to 3°C warmer than the countryside.

"We're now also seeing the rapid disruption of the transport industry, with autonomous and self-driving vehicles and car-sharing platforms. So there are huge opportunities to re-purpose roofs and spaces and it's happening around the world."

To open in late 2020, the Skyfarm, as well as being a working farm growing produce for the local community, will include cafes, bars, event spaces, a kids' playground and a learning hub. It's already been conducting experiments in vacant car spaces below, too, growing 150 kilograms of produce on a single space in just five-and-a-half months.

"There's so much you can do with car parks," Mr Condon said. "The only limit is your imagination."

An impression of what Skyfarm will look like when completed. Photo: Skyfarm

In Sydney, there's plenty of activity, too. Ms Colliver has just been approached by some car park owners about installing art or holding events in car parks, and feels that they can be a valuable source of extra revenue, or a great community service for locals.

Over nine years, for instance, Sebastian Goldspink of the artist-run initiative ALASKA Projects held more than 160 art shows in the underground Kings Cross Car Park, starting out of frustration that young artists had few affordable places to show their art.

"The car park was really amenable to the idea because they were concerned particularly about females using the car park and being scared of the lower levels," he said. "So they thought that having an art show there might make the car park more pleasant and attract more people."

The scheme worked well for the artists, collectors and Alaska, who ended up taking shows interstate and then to New Zealand and the US. Some really significant artists took part, too, including Angelica Mesiti, representing Australia at the 2019 Venice Biennale, award-winning artist Nell, Sarah Contos and Tom Polo.

An art exhibition at the Opera House car park in Sydney. Photo: Supplied

A film program was also held at the car park in conjunction with UTS, as well as a performance program and two symphonies performed there.

"You'd have 500 people all cordoned off from where people were parking their cars, and then the parkers would come and check out the exhibitions too," said Goldspink, now creative producer at the National Art School. "It's very expensive real estate and could be much better use as dual purpose."

In Sydney's city centre earlier this year, Dexus' car park at 175 Pitt Street was transformed into a New York-inspired underground venue to house the Tiffany & Co. Sydney flagship opening after-party event, with the entire car park repainted in the famous Tiffany blue.

In North Sydney, not-for-profit start-up Artesian combined with Wilson Parking to provide art exhibition space in the Ward Street Car Park, with shows chalking up great attendances and sales, and having a jazz band perform on a couple of occasions. They then held another exhibition in space under the Opera House providing the ventilation for the double-helix car park.

"That achieved everything we were hoping for," said Artesian's Morgan Workman. "It went well and the publicity for it was amazing.

"Often operators want to get people into car parks at weekends and discount parking, and this is a positive way of bringing people in. I would like to think that maybe we could do more next year."

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Shopping centre parking fees turn surrounding streets into car parks

Frustrated residents living near one of Queensland's biggest shopping centres say their streets are heavily congested and rubbish trucks have been forced to change their schedule after a controversial decision by centre management.

RESIDENTS living near Westfield Carindale say their streets are heavily congested and rubbish trucks have been forced to change their schedule after a controversial decision by centre management to charge patrons for parking.

Garbage collection has changed to early morning to allow trucks access before commuters park out the narrow streets and homeowners fear emergency services will face the same issue with access.

The parking problem has become so bad Modred St residents pushed for a survey to introduce a five-hour parking restriction recently.

Council officers recommended a three-hour limit to address complaints of all-day parking.

However, it wasn't supported with 23 per cent of residents in favour and 73 per cent against.

Modred St homeowner Allan Ladewig said the survey was confusing and council did not appear to be interested in finding a solution.

He said parking problems started when Westfield introduced parking fees in 2012 and had become increasingly worse.

"When we moved here 32 years ago, our street was the quietest street in Carindale," Mr Ladewig said.

"Now it has turned into a car park. It starts becoming a problem from 9am through to 5pm.

"The rubbish man has to come at 6am or he can't get through later than that.

"The street is not built to be a car park."

Modred St is so congested residents have difficulty backing out of driveways.

Mr Ladewig has sold his home after becoming frustrated with the congestion.

Councillor Ryan Murphy (Chandler) said council would not proceed with parking restriction at Modred St as the community did not support it but would continue to work with residents who were having difficulties accessing their properties to find solutions.

"This includes painting yellow lines to help their ingress and egress from the driveway, which appears to be the chief complaint," he said.

Council has implemented a range of parking restrictions around Carindale to deal with parking overflow from commuters and workers such as recent parking restrictions in Surbiton Court where residents supported the change with 68 per cent voting in favour.

Cr Murphy said there had been calls to introduce a residential parking permit scheme around Carindale.

"This would be a major change, and I don't think there is community support for that at the moment. However, the situation continues to get worse every year," he said.

He said lack of investment from the State Government in major public transport projects like the Eastern Busway was part of the problem.

"Instead of spreading the commuter parking load along Old Cleveland Rd, everyone is coming to Carindale. Our Park 'n Ride is full every day, and it's only going to get worse."

[timh]

Couriermail Quest --> Shopping centre parking fees turn surrounding streets into car parks

He said lack of investment from the State Government in major public transport projects like the Eastern Busway was part of the problem.

"Instead of spreading the commuter parking load along Old Cleveland Rd, everyone is coming to Carindale. Our Park 'n Ride is full every day, and it's only going to get worse."

I'm really surprised we aren't getting more attention like this towards the Eastern Busway. The situation really is quite bad but there's absolutely no word at all from state government on any kind of plan (what happened to the supposed Eastern transitway as well)

Bite the bullet and build the busway at LEAST to Carindale!

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[#Metro]

Constructing the Eastern busway will mean buses will flood into the busway faster, and aggravate key choke points such as cultural centre. It will also eat up layover space and kerb space in the CBD.

Works in the core are required to increase capacity - this being Brisbane metro.

[timh]

Constructing the Eastern busway will mean buses will flood into the busway faster, and aggravate key choke points such as cultural centre. It will also eat up layover space and kerb space in the CBD.

Works in the core are required to increase capacity - this being Brisbane metro.

Oh yeah of course, metro or at least some overhaul of the network core is desperately needed to facilitate further extensions (much like CRR with the rail network)


Actually thinking further about it I think If they were going to stage construction of the eastern busway, it should be as follows

Stage 1 - Langlands Park to Carindale (getting the bulk of commuters off Old Cleveland road)
Stage 2 - Carindale to Chandler (easing up demand on Carindale Park and ride and facilitating high frequency PT to Sleeman centre for Olympics)
Stage 3 - Chandler to Capalaba

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[James]

"Instead of spreading the commuter parking load along Old Cleveland Rd, everyone is coming to Carindale. Our Park 'n Ride is full every day, and it's only going to get worse."

This kind of thinking is the problem.

Instead of thinking 'everybody needs to drive to get to the bus', bring the bus to the people. Merge the 200, 204 and 222 into one service, and re-allocate this service to run along Stanley Road & Chatsworth Road. This will also free up resources to run better buses into the Redlands. While BCC may argue public transport in the Redlands is "the Redlands' problem", the side effect of parking issues in local streets is not.

Carindale is quite unique, in that the service boundary for Redlands (Veolia) is nearby compared to Garden City / Indro / Chermside. A degree of coordination between the two councils is needed to actually fix this problem.

The lazy solution, of course, would be to simply whack 2hr parking zones within 1km of Westfield Carindale. It would work though.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/MarkBaileyMP/status/1178425729282793472

[#Metro]

^ more car parks? $$

[Gazza]

"Instead of spreading the commuter parking load along Old Cleveland Rd, everyone is coming to Carindale. Our Park 'n Ride is full every day, and it's only going to get worse."

This kind of thinking is the problem.

Instead of thinking 'everybody needs to drive to get to the bus', bring the bus to the people. Merge the 200, 204 and 222 into one service, and re-allocate this service to run along Stanley Road & Chatsworth Road. This will also free up resources to run better buses into the Redlands. While BCC may argue public transport in the Redlands is "the Redlands' problem", the side effect of parking issues in local streets is not.

Carindale is quite unique, in that the service boundary for Redlands (Veolia) is nearby compared to Garden City / Indro / Chermside. A degree of coordination between the two councils is needed to actually fix this problem.

The lazy solution, of course, would be to simply whack 2hr parking zones within 1km of Westfield Carindale. It would work though.

I agree with this.

If there was a high frequency route along

-Stanley Rd / Meadowlands Rd
-Old Cleveland Rd
-Winstanley St / Chatsworth Rd

Then virtually all residents would be within walking  distance of a HF route in a significant chunk of Brisbane.
For those few that are outside comfortable walking threshold, there are enough parks on surrounding streets that a concentrated issue wouldn't occur.

But as it stands now Carindale and Old Cleveland Rd is the only place to get good services, so it gets hammered.

[ozbob]

Ipswich First --> Final warning for commuters parking illegally near Springfield Central train station

Ipswich City Council will deliver flyers to motorists parking illegally near Springfield Central train station in a last-ditch plea before handing out fines.

Acting General Manager of Planning and Regulatory Services Brett Davey said the flyers would advise commuters where to park, highlight safety issues and warn that fines will follow shortly.

"A new car park has been installed, however it is approximately 500m from the station proper. Some commuters are not using it and parking illegally in front of the old car park, as they have previously," he said.

"With new walkways installed this has added to safety issues as vehicles are now being driven on the walkways while pedestrians are using them. We have received increasing numbers of requests for action as a result.

"Transport and Main Roads Department did some education flyers and we wanted to add something about the potential for fines to occur for illegal parking. We propose some education, some form of warning process, and then the final step will be infringements issue for recalcitrant parking behaviour.

"Unfortunately we are seeing some really bad examples of driver behaviour, which is especially troubling given that these areas are heavily utilised by students travelling to and from school. It appears that some commuters may not change their behaviour through education, and infringements may be required."

Council officers will be on hand from Monday to deliver the flyers to commuters arriving from early in the morning.

From 2 December, fines of $100 will be issued for illegal parking.

The safety issues have recently prompted Queensland Police intervention.

Local MP for Jordan Charis Mullen had been contacted by several residents who have raised concerns relating to pedestrian safety along the footpath from Springfield Central station to Eden Station Road.

At least one car was spotted driving along the footpath while exiting the area, forcing pedestrians to move quickly to escape being hit.

"I was nearly hit by a car this morning while walking on the designated footpath from the temporary car park to the station. And then this afternoon while walking back to my car with many others who were walking also we were beeped numerous times by a driver who was driving their car along the footpath," wrote one resident.

"This is incredibly unsafe for pedestrians who are doing the right thing by using the temporary car park. Someone will be hit by a car if they continue to park on the footpath."

Ms Mullen said the situation was far from ideal, but there were three major projects on the go – construction of the Brisbane Lions stadium; new carpark and road upgrade – and all were happening in a constrained area while commuters still needed to access the train station.

The new temporary car park for commuters opened on 21 October. While an extra 500m away, it has 300 spaces, 50 more than the existing car park.

Entry is off Eden Station Drive with CCTV security and lighting installed for commuter safety. Existing parks have been closed to make way for heavy machinery building the 10,000-seat stadium for the Lions.

Ms Mullen said she was at the new temporary carpark on the Monday when it first opened and at midday there were still 75 carparks available while the verge was overflowing. On the Thursday, there were 115 carparks available at midday.

Ms Mullen had been working with council to address the situation and she reminded commuters to follow parking regulations in the area.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1195965242791956480

[verbatim9]

Itnews.com.au----> Car parks now show availability in real-time

NSW Transport taps data from smart parking systems.

Sydneysiders who use free public transport parking when commuting can now see how many vacant spaces are available in select car parks before hopping in the car.

Transport for NSW has begun surfacing real-time car park occupancy data for Opal Park&Ride car parks at Ashfield, Korgarah, Manly Vale and Seven Hills through third-party apps under a new trial.

[achiruel]

It's always been like that in Qld and very hard to get people to use multi mode public transport to and from work. Even more difficult on weekends and public holidays. People seem to like to drive to the nearest train or bus station and use a direct service. It will be a long time before perceptions change to get people to use feeder buses to a train or main bus station to get to their destination. Savvy Public Transport advocates and users tend to think otherwise but the overall perception of the Qld population seem to like private vehicles and ride share over Public Transport.

I'll admit to sometimes driving to Park & Rides on weekends to get where I want to go, largely because weekend feeder services are either non-existent, horribly infrequent, connect poorly, or start too late/finish too early. And given the P&Rs already exist, for whatever reason, and rarely fill on weekends (EMP seems to be an exception, especially when sports are on), I don't feel too guilty about it.

[ozbob]

Queensland Times --> Last ditch effort before fining illegally parked commuters


Commuters illegally parked at Springfield Central train station will be flyered before they are fined.

IPSWICH City Council will deliver flyers to motorists parking illegally near Springfield Central train station in a last-ditch plea before handing out fines.

Acting General Manager of Planning and Regulatory Services Brett Davey said the flyers would advise commuters where to park, highlight safety issues and warn that fines will follow shortly.

"A new car park has been installed, however it is approximately 500m from the station proper. Some commuters are not using it and parking illegally in front of the old car park, as they have previously," he said.

"With new walkways installed this has added to safety issues as vehicles are now being driven on the walkways while pedestrians are using them. We have received increasing numbers of requests for action as a result.

"Transport and Main Roads Department did some education flyers and we wanted to add something about the potential for fines to occur for illegal parking. We propose some education, some form of warning process, and then the final step will be infringements issue for recalcitrant parking behaviour.

"Unfortunately we are seeing some really bad examples of driver behaviour, which is especially troubling given that these areas are heavily utilised by students travelling to and from school. It appears that some commuters may not change their behaviour through education, and infringements may be required."

Council officers will be on hand from Monday to deliver the flyers to commuters arriving from early in the morning.

From 2 December, fines of $100 will be issued for illegal parking.

The safety issues have recently prompted Queensland Police intervention.

Local MP for Jordan Charis Mullen had been contacted by several residents who have raised concerns relating to pedestrian safety along the footpath from Springfield Central station to Eden Station Road.

At least one car was spotted driving along the footpath while exiting the area, forcing pedestrians to move quickly to escape being hit.

"I was nearly hit by a car this morning while walking on the designated footpath from the temporary car park to the station. And then this afternoon while walking back to my car with many others who were walking also we were beeped numerous times by a driver who was driving their car along the footpath," wrote one resident.

"This is incredibly unsafe for pedestrians who are doing the right thing by using the temporary car park. Someone will be hit by a car if they continue to park on the footpath."

Ms Mullen said the situation was far from ideal, but there were three major projects on the go – construction of the Brisbane Lions stadium; new carpark and road upgrade – and all were happening in a constrained area while commuters still needed to access the train station.

The new temporary car park for commuters opened on 21 October. While an extra 500m away, it has 300 spaces, 50 more than the existing car park.

Entry is off Eden Station Drive with CCTV security and lighting installed for commuter safety. Existing parks have been closed to make way for heavy machinery building the 10,000-seat stadium for the Lions.

Ms Mullen said she was at the new temporary carpark on the Monday when it first opened and at midday there were still 75 carparks available while the verge was overflowing. On the Thursday, there were 115 carparks available at midday.

Ms Mullen had been working with council to address the situation and she reminded commuters to follow parking regulations in the area.

Utter failure of feeder bus network with predictable results ..

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Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 26th November 2019 page 17

Parking adds to traffic woes

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Queensland Times --> Commuters set to be hit with $100 fines for illegal parking

COMMUTERS have a few days remaining to address illegal parking issues at Springfield Central train station before fines are handed out from Monday, December 2.

Ipswich City Council officers have been delivering flyers to motorists at the station, advising them where to park - including the new temporary car park about 500m east of the station - and highlighting safety issues.

Stronger warnings began on Monday, with the final outcome, $100 infringement notices, being issued for illegal parking from the start of next week.

Acting general manager of planning and regulatory services Brett Davey said the busy train station currently has about 180 cars parking illegally in front of it on weekdays. There are vacant spaces in the new car park, which has spots for about 300 vehicles, while this is occurring.

"Some traffic bunting will be installed around major problem areas shortly and after that we will move from warnings to infringements for illegal parking. Infringement numbers will be dependent upon the success of the education process," he said.

"We have been verifying that spare parks are definitely available in the new car park at the same time the illegal parking is occurring. In addition, other commuters are lodging increased numbers of requests about parking and driver behaviour."

Mr Davey said that given the history it is likely that it will continue to be a significant issue in the community and that infringement recipients may seek a review by council.

Commuters and parents expressed their concerns recently as some motorists parking illegally had driven along the footpath while exiting the station precincts and nearly hit pedestrians, including schoolchildren.

"I was nearly hit by a car this morning while walking on the designated footpath from the temporary car park to the station. And then this afternoon while walking back to my car with many others who were walking also we were beeped numerous times by a driver who was driving their car along the footpath," one Springfield resident said.

"This is incredibly unsafe for pedestrians who are doing the right thing by using the temporary car park. Someone will be hit by a car if they continue to park on the footpath."

Local MP for Jordan Charis Mullen had been working closely with council to come up with a solution to the parking problems.

The new temporary car park for commuters opened on 21 October.

While an extra 500m away, it has 300 spaces, 50 more than the existing car park. Part of that the old car park has been fenced off while work continues on the new Brisbane Lions 10,000-seat stadium.

Entry is off Eden Station Drive with CCTV security and lighting installed for commuter safety.

Failed fixation on park 'n' ride ... it is not the solution ....

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1200224973765263360

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

30th November 2019

Park 'n' ride policy failures ...

Good Morning,

Years of failure to implement proper feeder bus networks and better active transport for passengers to get to and from railway and bus stations is really come home to roost at Springfield Central.

From Monday (2nd December 2019) people who have been parking illegally on verges, nature strips and the like will be fined $100 by the Ipswich City Council ( Queensland Times: Commuters set to be hit with $100 fines for illegal parking https://www.qt.com.au/news/commuters-set-to-be-hit-with-100-fines-for-illegal/3890343/ ).  All this is going to do is force people off the train and onto the ever congested roads, worsening the situation for everyone.

What a debacle successive Governments with their fixation on expensive park 'n' ride without due attention to improving the alternatives have created not only at Springfield Central, but throughout SEQ.  What happens is that the park 'n' ride parking is soon exhausted which leads to overflow parking which then causes local congestion and illegal parking everywhere.

Fortunately for Springfield there some feeder bus improvements in place for early 2020.  Years late unfortunately, as people are already conditioned to driving to the station.

It is time the focus was shifted from the failed park 'n' ride paradigm and a lot more attention given to improving feeder bus networks, and providing better support and options for active transport.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

In hope, for some enlightened transport policy ..

Robert

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[Paul B]

is there anything the local members can do? or are they only listening to the cries of 'more park n ride' ?