Car parking - solutions?

[achiruel]

Interesting logic used by commenter "leanne" on that article-apparently paid parking will keep shoppers away as the choose online merchants instead, but the carpark at Chermside is difficult to find a space in.  I wonder what exactly all those cars are doing there!

[#Metro]

Interesting logic used by commenter "leanne" on that article-apparently paid parking will keep shoppers away as the choose online merchants instead, but the carpark at Chermside is difficult to find a space in.  I wonder what exactly all those cars are doing there!

"Nobody goes to that restaurant these days, it is too full."

[ozbob]

Hospital parking could become cheaper with the nation's peak parking organisation wanting to ease the burden #7News https://t.co/lvAo5XYdp5

— 7 News Queensland (@7NewsQueensland) October 16, 2016

[tazzer9]

Everyone will then be complaining about people parking at the inner city hospitals and catching a bus into the city.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

28th October 2016

More car parks, more congestion ...

Greetings,

We note an article in The Satellite, Oct 26 page 5 ' Infrastructure fight '

Shadow Minister for Transport and Main Roads Andrew Powell and State Member of Mt Ommaney Taryna Smith are pushing for fixing the Sumners Road bridge bottleneck , and more park and ride at Darra railway station.

We agree that the Sumners Road bridge does need duplication.  However more park and ride is just more congestion and wasted money.  A point is being reached where we cannot continue converting suburbs and precincts around transit hubs into giant car parks.

Filling up trains, buses and ferries by park and ride spaces is a very very expensive non-solution in the end.

For example if we duplicated the present 206 spaces at Darra to say 412 at a conservative cost of $30,000 per space, it would cost $6.2 million.  406 spaces fills half a train!

The solution:

Proper feeder bus networks to key rail and bus stations and ferry terminals with improved active transport options.

Park n' ride at a nominal cost (should be slightly more than the average bus fare to the station) linked to go card (or future equivalent).

Transperth is a shining light in terms of how to do it:  >  http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/parking

Some locations it may not be appropriate to charge for park n' ride that lack other options eg. Rosewood.

What is needed is action to fix up feeder bus networks, today, not encouragement for even more local road congestion.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
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[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Queensland Rail and State Government blamed for train station parking issues

QUEENSLAND Rail and the State Government are being blamed for even more train problems — this time parking issues at a busy train station.

Brisbane City Councillor Kim Marx has laid the blame for parking issues at Altandi Station, at Sunnybank, on Queensland Rail and the State Government.

Cr Marx (Runcorn ward) said the problems were "a direct result of the Queensland Rail timetable fail".

"A reduction in services at Coopers Plains Station thanks to the bungled timetable mean that more people are opting to catch the train from Altandi Station to commute on the Gold Coast and Airport lines," Cr Marx said.

"The State Government simply did not factor in the impacts that this change would have for the Park and Ride at Altandi, which has just 103 carparks and is woefully inadequate for the number of commuters using the station.

"It is the responsibility of the State Government to provide adequate parking for its rail services."

An electorate officer for Sunnybank state Labor MP Peter Russo, said Mr Russo had held community consultation several times and remained in contact with Transport Minister Stirling Hinchliffe.

"The matter has arisen due to Altandi Station becoming the stop for the Gold Coast / Airport express service," the electorate officer said.

"This change was made to improve internodal connectivity with bus services to the CBD, University of Queensland and Griffith University. Prior to this the stop was Coopers Plains.

"This service has become the fastest commute to the CBD and is favoured by CBD commuters. Mr Russo recognises the need for capacity to accommodate commuter parking needs for an effective public transport service but at the same time for local residents to have access to their neighbourhood."

[James]

I think the main reason people are Park 'n' Riding at Altandi is because if their train ends up cancelled, they can just hop on the 130/140 BUZ (and a variety of other peak-hour expresses) instead.

Altandi has been the express stop for years. The increased frequency there would be a minor driver of pax towards Altandi due to #railfail.

[tazzer9]

Altandi, apart from the central location for so many on the south side, is a terrible place to drive your car to.   awful location to get your car into and out from.
Why aren't these people using sunnybank or banoon's park n ride.  Which might I add are rarely full.  These may require a few backstreets but are park'n'ride friendly.

It just needs to have friendlier local bus connections.   

[pangwen]

I think the main reason people are Park 'n' Riding at Altandi is because if their train ends up cancelled, they can just hop on the 130/140 BUZ (and a variety of other peak-hour expresses) instead.

Altandi has been the express stop for years. The increased frequency there would be a minor driver of pax towards Altandi due to #railfail.

I suspect recent overuse of the Altandi car park may be due to construction at the adjacent church - potentially the workmen have been parking at the station. I have also seen visitors for the restaurants down the road (next to the Caltex) parking at the Park n Ride and walking back, although I have only personally observed this out of peak hours.

Another potential reason that Altandi has gotten worse is (perversely) due to the fare review. Previously there was more incentive to drive to Coopers Plains (which is not as close to where people live or usually drive past compared to Altandi) because it was on the zone 3/4 boundary whereas Altandi was zone 4. Now both Coopers Plains and Altandi are zone 2, and it's easier for more people to just go to Altandi.

With respect to bus connections at Sunnybank railway station, I believe that is constrained by buses not being allowed to use the level crossing - the 135 used to service Sunnybank, but now doubles back to Mains Road to stop at Altandi instead.

[James]

Altandi, apart from the central location for so many on the south side, is a terrible place to drive your car to.   awful location to get your car into and out from.
Why aren't these people using sunnybank or banoon's park n ride.  Which might I add are rarely full.  These may require a few backstreets but are park'n'ride friendly.

It just needs to have friendlier local bus connections.

At worst, the bus takes 28 minutes Altandi - South Bank in the AM Peak, with an off-peak travel time of 21 minutes. The all-stops train takes 27 minutes Altandi - South Bank consistently. The bus runs at 8bph off-peak, with up to 50bph or something ridiculous like that in the AM peak. The trains are running at an awful 2tph for most of the day, with 4tph (all stops) in peaks.

Looking at this - the bus wins on travel time, absolutely destroys the train on frequency and is much better in terms of amenity (bus provides access to Griffith Uni, P-rockets to Garden City etc.). The only place where the train is better is span of hours, which is irrelevant unless you're at work between 11pm - 12am/4am-5am for some reason.If I lived in a PT black hole in that area on the southside, give me Mains Rd any day. I'd much rather Park 'n' Ride off Mains Rd than from any station on the Beenleigh line.

Nobody is Park 'n' Riding at Sunnybank or Banoon because the bus (or the express train) are the better options in terms of frequency. Altandi is also in a natural spot to gravitate to - straight off Mains Rd, visible Park 'n' Ride, easy to find. Feeder buses don't really come into the equation (the Stones Rd LX is closed to buses though after an incident in the 2000s).

Perhaps it is worth advertising to commuters that there are Park 'n' Rides at this station? Even if you could siphon off ~20 pax, that's 1/5 of the car park there now free for other commuters.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Paid parking will be introduced at Toowong Village Shopping Centre

ANOTHER Brisbane shopping centre is planning to introduce paid parking. Management say it is only to deter non-genuine customers.

Toowong Village shopping centre will introduce paid parking next week, after it was announced in April the centre had applied to Brisbane City Council to introduce paid parking.

Toowong Village centre manager Kerri Jones said the centre sat above Brisbane's third busiest railway station and in addition to commuters, the centre's proximity to University of Queensland and the business district surrounding added to parking pressures.

"Visitors to the village can be assured the centre will offer a period of two hours free parking," Ms Jones said.

Those who spend $150 or more at the centre can park for free until 6pm.

Those who enter after 6pm can also park for free.

Installation of the boom gates and equipment started in November with commissioning and initial testing in December and January.

The ticketless parking system is similar to that introduced at Indooroopilly Shopping Centre and Westfield North Lakes, where your motorists' numberplates are scanned rather than a paper ticket being issued.

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Why the new Coles at Alderley charges $77 for parking longer than two hours

While the opening of a new Coles supermarket in Alderley may be convenient news for locals, the centre comes with serious parking restrictions.

Customers can park free for two hours at the Alderley Coles and Liquorland, but any stay over that time limit will cost shoppers a whopping $77, according to signage at the centre.

The new Coles supermarket at Alderley is charging customers $77 if they stay for more than two hours.

Coles Alderley store manager James Felsman said the parking limit and $77 fee was put in place to deter commuters from parking there and catching the train to the city, as the parking is for Coles customers.

The Coles centre has about 220 parking spaces and is directly across the road from the Alderley train station, which has 86 parking spaces.

Up the road at Mitchelton, the large Brookside Shopping Centre is also close to a train station on the same rail line.

However with more than 2600 parking spaces at the shopping centre and about 300 commuter parking spaces at Mitchelton station, a spokeswoman for the shopping centre said they had an abundance of parking and no need to charge for it.

"We have no immediate plan to bring in paid parking," she said.

The Newmarket Village shopping centre, less than two kilometres from the Alderley Coles, has a three-hour maximum parking time. There are fines for over-staying the limit, but a Newmarket Village spokeswoman did not know the exact amount.

The Westfield in Chermside introduced paid parking in 2011 in an effort to reduce the number of commuters parking and then catching buses to the city.

The centre charges nothing for the first three hours, and has a maximum daily fee of $20.

The recent introduction of paid parking at Toowong Village shopping centre was met with mixed reactions, but centre management said the parking scheme was introduced as a last resort to deter commuters.

Customers at the Toowong centre, which sits above Toowong Station, now receive two hours of free parking. For a stay of seven hours or more, people can expect to fork out $49 and $20 for an overnight stay.

Toombul shopping centre in Nundah has 1700 parking spaces. Near a bus interchange like Chermside's Westfield centre, Toombul has a strict "no commuter policy" with fines for any breaches.

[James]

Media beat-up. For all respective purposes, the $77 fee is a fine, just not called a fine as a private company can't enforce a 'fine'. If you stay for 2hr30mins, they're unlikely to get you. If you stay all day, you'll get caught.

That this is becoming a news story is a sign of the times though...

[BrizCommuter]

For anyone who thinks it is a good idea to charge for train station parking, lets look at Cottesloe Station in Perth. Photo taken on a weekday, just after lunch.
Station car park (with parking charge) - almost completely empty.
Adjacent large patch of grass (with no parking charge) - completely full of cars.

[#Metro]

Prices are effective. Just charge for parking on the grass too.

Same thing with toll tunnels  to "reduce congestion" only proved that road user charging would be highly effective - demand fell though the floor as soon as the free period was over.

[SurfRail]

Prices are effective. Just charge for parking on the grass too.

The PTA doesn't own everything in the vicinity of its stations.

[BrizCommuter]

Prices are effective. Just charge for parking on the grass too.

Same thing with toll tunnels  to "reduce congestion" only proved that road user charging would be highly effective - demand fell though the floor as soon as the free period was over.

Your post contradicts itself. This is clear evidence that commuters will avoid having to pay for station car parks and will park elsewhere. Thus charging for station car parks is not a sensible decision.

[#Metro]

Your post contradicts itself. This is clear evidence that commuters will avoid having to pay for station car parks and will park elsewhere. Thus charging for station car parks is not a sensible decision.

Prices are there to moderate demand.

The fact that people have chosen to park in a grassed area in public park next to the station isn't failure of the pricing - it is failure to fence the park off.

The proper conclusion - fence the park. Not oppose paid parking.

Perth has trialled pay parking and decided to extend it to all stations. Good. Private shopping centres in Brisbane have also realised that the game is up.

Here in QLD it is reasonable that no charges apply until the car park is at least 80% full IMHO.

Free ride over for Perth train commuters
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/free-ride-over-for-perth-train-commuters-20140623-zsjex.html

I have to say Perth is very well organised. Instead of wasting time how to figure out how to unscramble the latest bungle or what posturing to take in parliament, they just get the job done. A lot of things they contract out for others to do - and some things - where it is better value for money in a particular case - are done in house.

All this means that they focus on running decent service rather than nonsense and troubleshooting. Bring these people to Queensland.

[techblitz]

if they dropped the price to 1 dollar then those parks would fill up quicksmart......

[BrizCommuter]

The fact that people have chosen to park in a grassed area in public park next to the station isn't failure of the pricing - it is failure to fence the park off.

Should they fence off nearby streets as well, as that is where they would park instead to avoid paying? Simply, people will avoid paying for parking where it is reasonably easy to do so (note: it is not realistic to park elsewhere to use Chermside shopping centre). Charging people to park at a station car park is detrimental to attracting people to public transport, and would be an incredibly dumb thing to do in Brisbane.

[#Metro]

Should they fence off nearby streets as well, as that is where they would park instead to avoid paying? Simply, people will avoid paying for parking where it is reasonably easy to do so (note: it is not realistic to park elsewhere to use Chermside shopping centre). Charging people to park at a station car park is detrimental to attracting people to public transport, and would be an incredibly dumb thing to do in Brisbane.

At $40/month, it is entirely reasonable to charge.

The desire to park elsewhere falls quickly away with distance because walking time is a cost too.

If some people decide to park a little further out (or maybe take the bus - Perth has a good feeder bus network) that's fine,

someone else can have their spot at the station car park.


If people are parking near the station, then they must still be catching the train then, so I'm not convinced that a precipitous

fall in patronage would result at all. Indeed, Perth carries more people on trains than the entire SEQ region does.

Driving to a station is an incredibly ineffective way to fill trains. To fill a single train (1000 pax) you need around 835 car

parks (assuming 1.2 pax/space). At an average cost of $40 000 per car park, you need around $33 million dollars to do that.

TransPerth realises car park expansion cannot continue forever and so rations the parking space by willingness to pay.


What is so special about ' FREE ' car parking?

Paid parking eases jams at train stations
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/paid-parking-eases-jams-at-train-stations-ng-ya-382766

Perth's train station carparks are not filling up as fast as they did before the introduction of paid parking this year.
An analysis of latest Public Transport Authority figures show most metropolitan stations still have vacant bays at 9am with notable exceptions such as Joondalup, Edgewater, Fremantle and Warnbro full quite early.

The data is collected every Thursday from each station carpark.

It shows significant declines in early-morning vehicle numbers at many stations, especially on the Midland, Fremantle and Armadale lines, since the $2 parking fee was imposed on July 31.

For example, the Maylands station carpark was full by 7.30am on July 3 but only 86 per cent full at 10.31am on December 4.

On the Fremantle line, carparks at Loch Street and Daglish stations were full by 9am on July 3. Five months later, Loch Street was only half full at 9.14am and Daglish 85 per cent full at 9.07am.

The PTA believes paid parking has "weeded out hundreds or even thousands" of non-public transport users parking in station carparks.

PTA spokesman David Hynes said this resulted in more bays for genuine Transperth users.
"The vast majority of our carparks are now not reaching capacity, and those that do fill do so much later," he said.
Paid parking at all city train stations began with the introduction of SmartParker, where passengers can pre-pay parking fees.

Since its launch, 72,000 passengers in 83,000 vehicles have registered with SmartParker - 80 per cent of all parking customers.

As revealed in _The Weekend West _this month, paid parking has also caused a surge in passengers riding bikes from home.
In the days leading up to July 31 - and immediately after - record numbers of cyclists registered to store their bikes at secure shelters at 47 of Perth's 70 stations.

On average, about 0.7 per cent of all train passengers ride bikes to stations.

But since July, the percentage has jumped at many stations, including Greenwood, where it has risen to 3.5 per cent.
About 15,000 cyclists are now registered to use the bike shelters across the metropolitan area.

Mr Hynes said there was no evidence that paid parking had affected patronage on the Transperth system.
Transport Minister Dean Nalder said more than $60 million had been spent on 5000 extra parking bays at train stations across the system since 2008.

Hats off to WA who designed SmartRider (an excellent card BTW) for a song, integrated it with the parking and incrementally introduced competent parking management. We still have major difficulty in opening the bus back door or even running trains.

[#Metro]

Crackdown on train station parking
https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/crackdown-on-train-station-parking-ng-ya-372747

A cashless ticket system being introduced to coincide with paid parking in Perth train station carparks will also be the major weapon in a crackdown on the hundreds of motorists who use the carparks but do not catch trains.
Transperth has become aware of drivers who leave their cars in train station carparks, take their bicycles out of the boots and ride into the city.

Others park and then go to a nearby shopping centre.

There is also at least one company whose staff park at a station on the Mandurah line before being picked up by a private charter bus and ferried many kilometres to work.

"The problem became so bad in Fremantle, in particular, that we had to permanently disable the ability to pay for parking with cash and link it only to SmartRiders," Public Transport Authority spokesman David Hynes said. "This means that we can make sure actual public transport users are the ones benefiting from the carpark."
...

[BrizCommuter]

Should they fence off nearby streets as well, as that is where they would park instead to avoid paying? Simply, people will avoid paying for parking where it is reasonably easy to do so (note: it is not realistic to park elsewhere to use Chermside shopping centre). Charging people to park at a station car park is detrimental to attracting people to public transport, and would be an incredibly dumb thing to do in Brisbane.

At $40/month, it is entirely reasonable to charge.

The desire to park elsewhere falls quickly away with distance because walking time is a cost too.

If some people decide to park a little further out (or maybe take the bus - Perth has a good feeder bus network) that's fine,

someone else can have their spot at the station car park.


If people are parking near the station, then they must still be catching the train then, so I'm not convinced that a precipitous

fall in patronage would result at all. Indeed, Perth carries more people on trains than the entire SEQ region does.

Driving to a station is an incredibly ineffective way to fill trains. To fill a single train (1000 pax) you need around 835 car

parks (assuming 1.2 pax/space). At an average cost of $40 000 per car park, you need around $33 million dollars to do that.

TransPerth realises car park expansion cannot continue forever and so rations the parking space by willingness to pay.


What is so special about ' FREE ' car parking?

Paid parking eases jams at train stations
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/paid-parking-eases-jams-at-train-stations-ng-ya-382766

Perth's train station carparks are not filling up as fast as they did before the introduction of paid parking this year.
An analysis of latest Public Transport Authority figures show most metropolitan stations still have vacant bays at 9am with notable exceptions such as Joondalup, Edgewater, Fremantle and Warnbro full quite early.

The data is collected every Thursday from each station carpark.

It shows significant declines in early-morning vehicle numbers at many stations, especially on the Midland, Fremantle and Armadale lines, since the $2 parking fee was imposed on July 31.

For example, the Maylands station carpark was full by 7.30am on July 3 but only 86 per cent full at 10.31am on December 4.

On the Fremantle line, carparks at Loch Street and Daglish stations were full by 9am on July 3. Five months later, Loch Street was only half full at 9.14am and Daglish 85 per cent full at 9.07am.

The PTA believes paid parking has "weeded out hundreds or even thousands" of non-public transport users parking in station carparks.

PTA spokesman David Hynes said this resulted in more bays for genuine Transperth users.
"The vast majority of our carparks are now not reaching capacity, and those that do fill do so much later," he said.
Paid parking at all city train stations began with the introduction of SmartParker, where passengers can pre-pay parking fees.

Since its launch, 72,000 passengers in 83,000 vehicles have registered with SmartParker - 80 per cent of all parking customers.

As revealed in _The Weekend West _this month, paid parking has also caused a surge in passengers riding bikes from home.
In the days leading up to July 31 - and immediately after - record numbers of cyclists registered to store their bikes at secure shelters at 47 of Perth's 70 stations.

On average, about 0.7 per cent of all train passengers ride bikes to stations.

But since July, the percentage has jumped at many stations, including Greenwood, where it has risen to 3.5 per cent.
About 15,000 cyclists are now registered to use the bike shelters across the metropolitan area.

Mr Hynes said there was no evidence that paid parking had affected patronage on the Transperth system.
Transport Minister Dean Nalder said more than $60 million had been spent on 5000 extra parking bays at train stations across the system since 2008.

Hats off to WA who designed SmartRider (an excellent card BTW) for a song, integrated it with the parking and incrementally introduced competent parking management. We still have major difficulty in opening the bus back door or even running trains.

You are falling hook, line and sinker for the spin again.
Individual station patronage figures would be the useful stats.
People using station car parks for other purposes can be weeded out by other methods.
It was just a liberal government cash grab, that has resulted in empty station car parks (and thus poor use of infrastructure).

[#Metro]

People using station car parks for other purposes can be weeded out by other methods.
It was just a liberal government cash grab, that has resulted in empty station car parks (and thus poor use of infrastructure).

What are these "other methods"?

In QLD, IMHO it is reasonable to introduce PP when parking capacity reaches around 80%.

That way it is more selective.

As for "cash grab" even the gov't charges for public transport usage with fares and ticketing. Charges are a part of life.

[BrizCommuter]

What are these "other methods"?

Security patrols performing spot checks of where people go after leaving their cars. Warn and/or fine those who wonder off in the opposite direction to the platform.

I know of one QR station where this is currently occurring.

[#Metro]

A security patrol is only effective against people who park in a car park going to other places.

It cannot manage demand from those who have alternatives such as bicycling (as in Perth) or buses.

The car park will still fill up - so it hasn't really solved the issue of managing parking at stations.

This is the reasoning behind car parking charges at stations, on council roads, commercial car parks, and even peak/off peak fares and ticketing.

Prices moderate demand. A security patrol can only really work around the edges of that excess demand problem.

As techblitz alluded... an improvement would be a case-by-case parking scheme. Car parks that don't fill up could be free,

with car parks that reach 80% $2 flat fee, and those that are even more popular maybe $2.50.



SF Parking - Variable Pricing Trial

[Derwan]

To me the solution is quite simple.

Gated car parks.  Go Card opens gates on entry.  Same Go Card must be used on exit.

Charges are as follows:

• 30 minutes free (e.g. dropping someone off to catch a train or picking someone up).
• If Go Card is used for a trip on public transport between arrival and departure, a nominal parking fee (e.g. $1) is charged.  Fee is halved in line with frequent user discount.  Perhaps no fee on weekends?
• If Go Card is not used for trip on public transport, a higher fee is charged (e.g. $10).

Someone has to pay for the car parks.  They're not free to build.  Why shouldn't the ones who use them contribute a little more than the ones who don't?

[tazzer9]

To me the solution is quite simple.

Gated car parks.  Go Card opens gates on entry.  Same Go Card must be used on exit.

Charges are as follows:

• 30 minutes free (e.g. dropping someone off to catch a train or picking someone up).
• If Go Card is used for a trip on public transport between arrival and departure, a nominal parking fee (e.g. $1) is charged.  Fee is halved in line with frequent user discount.  Perhaps no fee on weekends?
• If Go Card is not used for trip on public transport, a higher fee is charged (e.g. $10).

Someone has to pay for the car parks.  They're not free to build.  Why shouldn't the ones who use them contribute a little more than the ones who don't?

How can you use the same go-card if dropping someone off, or does there need to be two go cards involved?
Parks must be free on weekends and at night time (before 6am and after 6pm).  I have yet to see a park'n'ride full on a weekend with the exception of a major concert/sports/ cultural event and we want to encourage public transport at off peak times.
I wouldn't bother with being flashy about charging extra if no PT is used.   Keep it simple, not that many park'n'rides are at places where people wouldn't be using public transport anyway. 
I would also only do it at stations with large car parks. Don't bother with places like keperra with tiny car parks and not a huge demand for them either.

$1-2 dollar fee charged when entering or exiting between 6am-6pm on weekdays, if leaving within 1 hour you get refunded upon exit.   

[techblitz]

Someone has to pay for the car parks.  They're not free to build.  Why shouldn't the ones who use them contribute a little more than the ones who don't?

yep......paid parking in place allows you to have far more control over them......take Briz perth example....no-one using them? Fine...then just drop the price......problem reappears because you dropped them to 1$? Fine just put the price back up.

We cant just keep having cars pour out onto surrounding streets and hope the problem will go away because it wont...
Having a paid parking system in place acts as a buffer when bus funds run dry and no further bus services can be put on.....
In short...paid parking is a 'necessary' evil.

Need to start looking at options for 8mp...hands down the worst park and ride in Brisbane at the moment.....

[Derwan]

How can you use the same go-card if dropping someone off, or does there need to be two go cards involved?

Yep - two Go Cards.  The driver would need to use theirs for the car park.  It'd only be required if they didn't use the Kiss'n'ride area.

I wouldn't bother with being flashy about charging extra if no PT is used.   Keep it simple, not that many park'n'rides are at places where people wouldn't be using public transport anyway. 

But the extra charge solves the issue of those who take up spaces when they're not using PT.  The idea of adding the charge is two-fold.

I would also only do it at stations with large car parks. Don't bother with places like keperra with tiny car parks and not a huge demand for them either.

Yep.  Certainly needs to be selective.  Of course a potential issue is that if the next station along the line doesn't have paid parking, people will simply drive there instead.

[James]

As a variation on that idea, I was thinking that you could put a go card reader at the entrance to the carpark, triggering the boom gate. Code the reader such that if the user touches off at that station to cancel the trip, they get charged a fixed fare.

So say you parked at Taringa Park 'n' Ride. You would touch on, boom gate opens, park car. If you 'touch off' at Taringa, you get a fixed fare. If you 'touch off' at any other station, you get charged that fare. If you don't touch off at all, you get the fixed fare. On the return trip, same thing would apply. Touch on at your origin, touch off as you exit the station in your car, boom gate opens and you just get charged the standard fare. If no touch on is registered, a fixed fare is charged (again).

You could increase parking charges as seen fit from there - flat rate would probably be the simplest way to do it under this system. Parking in surrounding streets can easily be fixed by 2P/4P zones (resident permits excepted).

[#Metro]

This has been a really productive discussion. Thank you.

I like the idea of using the GoCard to open the boom gate.

One thing to consider is how someone who has lost their card during the day will be dealt with?

Maybe the gates should go up and free parking after 6pm and weekends?

[Derwan]

One thing to consider is how someone who has lost their card during the day will be dealt with?

Help button - like the shopping centres.  Gates can be opened remotely.

[SurfRail]

There needs to be a fair bit of common sense though.  TransLink and QR don't control all of the real estate and streets in their vicinity, so if you end up with a perverse outcome like nobody occupying the car park and the roads or vacant land nearby being saturated, you need to revisit whether a price control is actually relevant.  Even now, we have station car parks which are woefully under-occupied - the most prominent one I can think of is Yeronga's, which at one point usually had more abandoned fridges in it than cars.

[#Metro]

BCC understands that in high demand areas, people will park in side streets. So they introduce paid parking there too.

It is just about co-ordination really.

Where a car park is mostly under-utilised (i.e. Yeronga) that land could be declared surplus and put a TOD there.

That way people can live near the station if they choose to rather than bring their car. Yeronga has 15 min trains most days now.

It is all about active management of assets - something that government does a really really poor job of currently. Sometimes I think the gov is asleep!

Other places are very much more enlightened --->

Transit-Oriented Development Program

Metro's Transit-Oriented Development Program provides financial incentives that enhance the economic feasibility of higher-density, mixed-use projects served by transit. The program's goal is to implement the region's 2040 Growth Concept through investments in walkable neighborhoods and station areas linked by transit.

http://www.oregonmetro.gov/tools-partners/grants-and-resources/transit-oriented-development-program

Brisbane City Council needs to get on board as well and rezone in the 800m walk up zone around all train and busway stations to allow a general TOD zoning to apply like GCCC has done with the LRT.

[#Metro]

Yeronga Car Park

https://goo.gl/maps/b2L1zCvNNLE2

There are a few cars in the car park. And I can see that car park is important because Yeronga is one of the "black hole" suburbs in the BCC bus network. People cannot just walk to the station due to being in that riverbend pocket.

The only way I think that removal would be (politically) acceptable is where the BUZ 196 is extended into Yeronga.

New Bus Network Proposal http://tiny.cc/newnetwork

It would be a 275 m walk approx, but this is the same as the current walk from the commuter car park to the station.

In a previous version of the New Bus Network, the Hi 196 service proposed used Shottery Street to position itself outside Yeronga Station but that was superseded after feedback.

What are people's thoughts on this particular location?


Unfortunately, I think there would be a bit of opposition to any building whatsoever.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/southeast/a-development-at-the-former-rspca-site-has-been-criticised-as-too-high-too-dense-and-in-the-wrong-location/news-story/c4d0382c72d622b07388ad1102f52c22

HEIGHT, density and location are key concerns for Yeronga community members over a proposed development on the former RSPCA site at Fairfield Rd.

The thing is the entire suburb of Yeronga went underwater to the second storey at least - well over the roof of homes and unit blocks in that area. On the other hand, people seem to have just cleaned up and kept living there. The fact that it might flood once in a while does not seem to have deterred them and property prices seem to be unaffected.

[Old Northern Road]

Several stations already have parking restrictions around them (Bald Hills and Toowong for example)

[BrizCommuter]

This has been a really productive discussion. Thank you.

I like the idea of using the GoCard to open the boom gate.

One thing to consider is how someone who has lost their card during the day will be dealt with?

Maybe the gates should go up and free parking after 6pm and weekends?

So how would you gate Oxford Park's car park?

[#Metro]

So how would you gate Oxford Park's car park?

You wouldn't. Just adopt the same approach as BCC does when charging for parking along road sides elsewhere in the city for that particular situation. Pay and display meters perhaps?

[BrizCommuter]

So how would you gate Oxford Park's car park?

You wouldn't. Just adopt the same approach as BCC does when charging for parking along road sides elsewhere in the city for that particular situation. Pay and display meters perhaps?

So in other words, it would be easier for commuters to park in a nearby side street.