Car parking - solutions?

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Brisbane City Council implements changes to residential parking permits

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> 'Disgraceful" hospital parking fees slammed

[Jonno]

Next headline will be "Congestion delays ambulances to hospital". I want my cake (car parking) and I want to eat it (no congestion)!

[BrizCommuter]

The BrizCommuter word on Lady Cilento Children's Hospital transport woes:
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/new-hospital-transport-meltdown.html

[achiruel]

I wonder if people would prefer the health budget be spent on subsidsing car parking rather than, you know, looking after sick people?  :conf

[Jonno]

Sad reality is that they would

[BrizCommuter]

I wonder if people would prefer the health budget be spent on subsidsing car parking rather than, you know, looking after sick people?  :conf

The car park at Lady Cilento is owned by Mater Health Services, not Queensland Health. So Mater make money out of Queensland Health patients.

[ozbob]

I worked at the Mater at South Brisbane for a while '92 - 96.  Parking was a major issue then, guess the expanded hospital campuses have just compounded the issues.  Mater has to charge something to ration it and try to get those who can onto other transport options.  Any 'profit' from parking goes into patient care. The point that Briz has made about the fares is of course one issue.  Service on the busway is good but once you get off it, well not so good is it?

There are various patient relief parking relief schemes and other patient transport options. e.g.

Concessional parking

In keeping with our mission, philosophy and values, Mater has made a number of provisions to meet the needs of our patients and their families/carers in need. Patients wishing to be considered for a concession parking rate should contact a social worker in the hospital in which they are being cared for. A concessional parking policy is also available for further information regarding eligibility.

Another example, patients at the Radiation Oncology Clinic can obtain a parking pass (these patients might need to go for daily treatments for months on end).

http://www.mater.org.au/Home/Location/General-Parking

[BrizCommuter]

  Any 'profit' from parking goes into patient care.

...at the Mater, not the new Children's Hospital.

[#Metro]

I am not, by default, against any and all car parking. There are times when it is needed. However in inner areas, you'd be better off building apartments than car parks. And even if you cannot do that, you could have a private car park charging market rate to cover the cost of construction (preferably private, because if it is gov't, they will charge far below market rate, or some politician will come along and promise that).

A multi-deck car park is being built at Syndal station, at a cost of $10.8 million. Its 250 spaces will cost $44,000 each, but Ms Kuzmanovic said the prefabricated design she had proposed would have cost $30,000 per space.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cant-find-a-car-park-at-the-train-station-heres-500-reasons-why-20150825-gj6z1x.html

[pandmaster]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cant-find-a-car-park-at-the-train-station-heres-500-reasons-why-20150825-gj6z1x.html

Car is already the dominant mode to get to Werribee, Craigieburn and South Morang stations, so why build more parking? Time to consider alternatives once you get to this stage, I think. What a waste it is to use prime land next to stations for car parks!

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Cheaper Gold Coast parking - if you're prepared to walk

[SurfRail]

^ They know their stuff.

Properly pricing a limited commodity to encourage new behaviours.  Who would have thought? 

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Paid parking trials to start at Indooroopilly Shopping Centre

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane's short-term off-street CBD parking most expensive in Australia: RACQ

[Jonno]

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane's short-term off-street CBD parking most expensive in Australia: RACQ

Good
http://t.co/7aijLA9Xzm

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Acting Brisbane mayor blasts 'exorbitant' CBD parking

[SurfRail]

Whenever BCC makes any kind of pronouncement on transport I just get an image of a dog running around in circles with its leg in its jaws trying to catch up to it.

[#Metro]

Why is the BCC rates lower than the privates? Is that true? Is this a hidden subsidy?

Perhaps the reason why parking prices are so high is because the alternatives on the bus network are not that great? Yeronga, Centenary, Bulimba, etc?

[James]

I always wonder why the people of Brisbane will spend in excess of $30 to park in the city yet complain about the high cost of PT/road tolls.

Parking in the city has to be the biggest rort ever. You'd have to be loony not just to park near your nearest BUZ/TUZ and travel in from there unless 100% of the cost is covered by your employer. At night you can simply walk an extra 5-10 minutes and find a free park.

[achiruel]

I think the BCC parking is not required to make a profit, it just breaks even.

Private parking operators are more profit-oriented, hence the higher fees.

I agree that if PT was improved though, it would put downard pressure on parking fees.

[newbris]

While I know this article is about peak-hour parking I think off-peak bears a mention.

It cost $18.84 for my family of 4 (2 adults + 2 primary school children) to travel 4.5km to the city off-peak. Instead we can drive a car we already run for other reasons and pay $5 in parking.

$18.84 versus $5


And most families along the red hill/ashgrove waterworks rd corridor can get rubbish 30 minutes or worse off-peak frequencies for their $18.84.


Based on:

Fares
http://translink.com.au/tickets-and-fares/fares/current-fares
$3.14 * 4 + $1.57 * 4

Car Parking
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/parking-permits/car-parks/king-george-square-car-park
Weekday evening from 4:30pm onwards $5
Weekends $5

[SurfRail]

^ That's as may be but you've still filled the car to 3 times the average occupancy.

[newbris]

^ That's as may be but you've still filled the car to 3 times the average occupancy.

Would the off-peak average be more relevant or have I misunderstood you ?

[Gazza]

I think the point is, if everyone drove 4 persons to a car, congestion would be much less.

[newbris]

I think the point is, if everyone drove 4 persons to a car, congestion would be much less.

Given this is off-peak only I am guessing that SurfRail was saying it is an unfair comparison given 4 fares vs 1 car park fee. My point is simply to demonstrate how much fare flag fall would need to drop or off-peak parking rise before a family in our position could consider using it. Maybe it is not meant for us.

[Jonno]

Which is why the conversation has to include indirect costs and the overall subsidies of all forms of transport.  Otherswise it is just a comparison of the costs you are asked to pay.  It is arbitrary amounts!!

[James]

There are two 'types' of car parking:
- Peak car parking (i.e. 8am - 6pm weekdays)
- Off-peak car parking (i.e. after 6pm weekdays, weekends)

Peak car parking right now is where the demand is, where very high prices are being charged and where PT is still running reasonably frequently in the suburbs (even off the BUZ network).
Off-peak car parking is where people have drained to the suburbs as part of urban sprawl (e.g. if I want Grill'd, I go to Toowong, not the CBD) and hence, where low prices are being charged. This is assisted by suburban centres being closer and night time PT being absolutely trash.

Off-peak, there isn't really the traffic congestion or 'finding a park' issue (particularly if you know where to look or are willing to walk more than 50 metres).

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Indooroopilly Shopping Centre under fire for paid parking loophole

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane paid parking: Indooroopilly Shopping Centre's paid parking technical issues anger shoppers

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Parking woes at Cannon Hill Train Station provokes investigation

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

28th October 2015

NO! to more car parks at Cannon Hill

Greetings,

RAIL Back on Track believes the 200 car park expansion proposal at Cannon Hill is very poor value for money.

There is a good reason why Park and Ride must be limited on the rail network - park and ride is incredibly expensive. Based on 200 car parks at around $50 000 per car park, this works out to be $10 million dollars, at minimum. A train carries 1000 passengers. So after spending $10 million dollars, that will fill just 20% of just a single train.

How is that value for money? That's around $50 000 per passenger!

The expansion will also inhibit any future Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) at Cannon Hill. We think there are better solutions than rip $10 million out of the transport budget.

Firstly, we call on State MP Di Farmer to support our New Bus Network Proposal > http://tiny.cc/newnetwork - Featuring a BulimbaGlider running every 10 minutes or better, Bulimba and Balmoral passengers can catch the bus directly into Morningside station, leaving the car at home.

Secondly, TransLink needs to introduce charges for car parking. Perth already does this at all train stations on the TransPerth network, charging a flat fee of $2. Payment can be done through their SmartRider card.

A third option is to build the car park, but levy a rates charge on all properties in Bulimba to pay for the upgrade. Given the extremely poor value for money of the proposal and the fact that beneficiaries will almost exclusively be local, we think this is fair. Distributing the $10 million cost over about 50 000 residents in the seat of Bulimba, this would be $200 per person, of about $400 per property.

There must be better ways to get people to train stations than pay $50 000 per passenger, and rip millions out of the transport budget. NO! to car parks at Cannon Hill!

Time for better feeder bus arrangements.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

References:

Parking woes at Cannon Hill Train Station provokes investigation
http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/southeast/parking-woes-at-cannon-hill-train-station-provokes-investigation/story-fni9r0lo-1227584408317

SmartParker
http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/parking

Seat of Bulimba map
http://results.ecq.qld.gov.au/Profiles/Bulimba/map.pdf

Population Profile of seat of Bulimba
http://results.ecq.qld.gov.au/Profiles/Bulimba/profile.pdf

[ozbob]

ABC News --> Uber launches in ACT as Canberra becomes first city to regulate ride sharing

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Paid parking — who's next? (Toowoong)

TOOWONG Village is the latest Brisbane shopping centre with plans to introduce paid parking.

The centre submitted plans to Brisbane City Council today.

Toowong Village centre manager Kerri Jones said it was an exciting time for the centre, with the potentially high number of residents moving into the area following construction of several new apartment blocks.

"But it also means we have to plan carefully," she said.

Mrs Jones said there were currently 1400 parking spaces at Toowong and the centre's priority was looking after its tenants and shoppers.

"We want people to shop local and support small business and that also means we want them to be able to park easily," she said.

In a statement, the centre said paid parking would be considered in a report commissioned by Toowong Village should their development application to BCC be approved.

"Visitors to Toowong Village can be assured regardless of the report's findings, the centre intends to offer a period of free parking to ensure genuine shoppers can continue to park for free," a statement from the centre said.

[James]

Really no surprise. Parking at Toowong is horrific, worse than Indooroopilly IMO. Paid parking needed to happen, and it was only a matter of time until Toowong moved after Indro introduced it.

Again, like paid parking at Indro, I welcome the move. Will still merely shift the problem to back streets and other trouble spots until we get bus network reform though.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Free parking offered at Indooroopilly Shopping Centre

INDOOROOPILLY Shopping Centre will introduce eight hours free parking in the centre from Wednesday — but there is a catch.

Following backlash to its introduction of paid parking, the centre will allow shoppers to park free for eight hours, provided they have spent $150 in the centre.

The 'Spend to Receive Free Parking' campaign has been designed to reward shopper loyalty and support retailers who have complained the numbers of shoppers to the centre had decreased since the introduction of paid parking last October.

Shoppers have complained to the centre's Facebook page of being slugged for parking after spending hundreds of dollars in the centre's shops, while retailers organised a forum in March to discuss a fall in foot traffic ...

LOL

The only time I go anywhere near the shopping centre is on a bus transiting through the bus station.   Seems I am not alone ... 

[ozbob]

Hey guys and gals, did you spot this?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/southwest/residents-petition-for-early-morning-springfield-express-train-service/news-story/6ab6ea172f2adf13c277c38900901054

... A TransLink spokesman said the state government was reviewing the park 'n' ride policy across the entire network to deliver for commuters and ensure the best use of infrastructure ...

Hopefully they will start to introduce a payment fee, but only if the feeder buses - span and frequency are adequate!

Park and ride is very very costly ... we cannot keep expanding tar and cement to infinity hey?

[ozbob]

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Plea for parking co-operation

or pushing sh%t up hill hey ?   

[#Metro]

This business is 5 min or so walk from Nundah Train station.

People want more parking, but there is limited road space for that. Unless a company can be convinced to come in and build a multistorey.