Car parking - solutions?

[Gazza]

bus exchange

Sounds very Candian.

http://www.translink.ca/~/media/documents/schedules_and_maps/stn_exch/phibbsexchange.ashx

[Jonno]

The only solution to car parking problems are and

[longboi]

bus exchange

Sounds very Candian.

http://www.translink.ca/~/media/documents/schedules_and_maps/stn_exch/phibbsexchange.ashx

Yes, and we aren't in Canada.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Westfield Garden City staff told they will not be allowed to park at the centre during peak Christmas period

WESTFIELD Garden City staff have called moves to stop them parking in the shopping centre during the peak Christmas trade period "discriminatory".

Retailers were told this week that they could use public transport or a park-and-ride arrangement from Mt Gravatt Showgrounds when the changes kick in next week.

Centre manager Stuart Elder said detailed "parking packs" outlining the new arrangement had been "hand-delivered" to retailers.

"It starts Saturday, November 23, for Saturdays only ... and then it starts full-time for two weeks from Sunday, December 15, to Sunday, December 29," Mr Elder said.

"We've hired the Mt Gravatt Showgrounds so we have 500 spaces there and we are running shuttle buses all day every day for the centre trading hours and beyond.

"It's all about making it as easy as possible for customers to find parking spaces, which then makes it as easy as possible for them to shop with our retailers."

Mr Elder said the shuttle service was free for staff ...

[red dragin]

Chermside have done this before - the world didn't end.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Residents south of Brisbane angry over new fee on residential parking permits

A PLAN to slug residents with a fee to park outside their own homes has angered locals in Brisbane's south.

An annual charge for residential parking permits is to begin in March, 2014, and will affect hundreds of people across Tennyson, Annerley, Fairfield, Yeronga and Yeerongpilly.

The fee will cost drivers $10 per vehicle, and up to $25 per household, for a permit which is presently issued free of charge by Brisbane City Council.

Tennyson Ward Councillor Nicole Johnston said residents were being unfairly punished ...

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane paid parking plan irks residents

[Jonno]

http://thecityfix.com/blog/crunching-numbers-parking-reform-lee-schipper-memorial-scholars-present-transforming-transportation-ttdc14-kyle-mackie/

Evaluating the Parking Standard Reform in London: A Matched-Pair Approach

Li's presentation, "Evaluating the Parking Standard Reform in London: A Matched-Pair Approach," recounted her research on an issue that she argues remains invisible to the public: parking policy. You may not realize that most urban development projects are subject to minimum parking standards, which require that a certain amount of parking spaces be made available depending on the size of the project. While intended to ensure adequate parking supply, minimum parking standards often lead to excess parking supply, which in turn encourages higher car ownership and usage by masking the true cost of allocating urban space for parking. Minimum parking standards also cause greater market distortion in the heart of urban areas. Li challenged conventional parking standards by examining a case study of London, United Kingdom's parking policy reform. See her full presentation below.

TCF: What's the one takeaway people should remember from your research?

There is a high, invisible cost to free parking that consumers don't often know about because they're so driven by the perception that parking is essential to living in a city.

FL: Developers can change their policies to better meet actual demand, but there are political obstacles to doing so, which are also driven by the perception that parking is important to maintaining a competitive, livable city. In fact, lowering the minimum parking standard doesn't mean that people won't have access to parking, it just means that developers have more flexibility to meet the actual demand of the population they're serving.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Tens of thousands of Brisbane residents to pay to park outside own homes

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Price freeze after anger at Brisbane City Council's move to charge residents for parking permits

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Parents parking illegally at school drop offs and pick ups are on notice with Brisbane City Council

[ozbob]

Gold Coast Bulletin --> Parking fee increases will hurt Gold Coast motorists

[ozbob]

Parking --> http://smalltownurbanism.com/2014/02/28/parking/

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> We must enforce parking restrictions better: Brisbane City Council

[ozbob]

Streets Blog LA --> Editorial: Why Raise Fares When Metro's Building Even More Free Parking?

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane father and daughter caught in carpark congestion inside Indooroopilly Shopping Centre

Oh. dear.

[bcasey]

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane father and daughter caught in carpark congestion inside Indooroopilly Shopping Centre

Oh. dear.

I'm not really familiar with Indooroopilly Shopping Centre, so my following comments are more general and based on my experience with my local shopping centre at Chermside.

If that is happening every weekend, it would be concerning and something should be done to improve the traffic flow in and out of the car park. But this happened on the day before Mother's Day, when the demand will most likely exceed the capacity because you have last minute gift shoppers as well as the normal weekend shoppers. There is only so much you can do in that situation, like dedicating staff to guide traffic inside the car park, and police manually directing traffic at the exits, etc. I think it would be better to encourage people to do their gift shopping more in advance of big days like Mother's Day and Christmas, so the extra demand is spread over more days, but you will always get the people who aren't prepared.

Of course, they could always go down the track that Westfield has gone with Chermside and some of their other centres, and charge for parking once you go over a certain time limit. However that opens a whole other kettle of fish, with regards to staff parking, people parking in surrounding streets which weren't necessarily designed with that in mind, etc.

Edit: Chermside also has parking counters and indicators in the undercover parking areas, which can help a lot as well. I'm not sure if Indoorpilly has this technology or not, but it is becoming more common. I know QUT uses it in their car parks now.

[HappyTrainGuy]

A lot of major shopping complexes have the parking information available. And most of the other major shopping centres have multiple car park exits. Especially Chermside and North Lakes with it's large amount of exits onto basically a couple roads. Indro has its issues because of the limited exits mixed with the local road network.

[James]

The specific exits they are talking about are genuinely total and utter disasters - they are also the main entries/exits for the shopping centre for motorists coming from the west (i.e. the majority of Indooroopilly's catchment area).

As noted in the article - the traffic lights installed at the corner of Musgrave and Station Rds (right in front of Indooroopilly Platform 'C') have significantly slowed traffic flow, along with the widening of the curb in this section. Sure, it has made room for a nice footpath, but it has taken one lane away from traffic and makes it very difficult for traffic to come in/out of the carparks. I think the traffic "improvements" in this area are a disaster. They should remove the pathway and turn it into a bus lane (and get people to walk on the path on the other side of the road, or use the shopping centre) and remove the set of traffic lights which currently exists, or re-time the lights so that they are green most of the time. The reason for the bus lane is the buses also get caught in this crap, and it can hold up buses for up to several minutes when there is congestion there.

Also, Indooroopilly will introduce paid parking. The entrances are decked out for its installation, and it is in an identical situation to the other 'Big 4' in Brisbane. It is a matter of when - and I expect this will be in the start of 2015. Commuter parking is out of control at Indooroopilly, but it is no surprise when you have a sh%t bus network with buses that run hourly, buses to places which run via everywhere and bus services which are unreliable.

When it does though, it will also displace not only commuter traffic, but UQ-bound traffic looking for cheap parking/more readily available parking off-campus. There will be issues along the 444 BUZ route, there will be issues along the 427/428/432 route as well, which are compounded by the fact that there are four schools all within 1-2km of each other.

[aldonius]

UQ students parking there are set to rise soon too.
UQ are repurposing some casual parking spaces (in the Multi-Storey carparks).

[James]

UQ students parking there are set to rise soon too.
UQ are re-purposing some casual parking spaces (in the Multi-Storey carparks).

Perhaps the Communists and the UQU could make themselves useful by protesting against the re-purposing of the multi-story carparks.

Both Toowong and Indooroopilly Shopping Centres will need to brace themselves. Especially Toowong.

[Jonno]

Your not stuck in traffic You are traffic!!!

[Golliwog]

UQ students parking there are set to rise soon too.
UQ are re-purposing some casual parking spaces (in the Multi-Storey carparks).

Perhaps the Communists and the UQU could make themselves useful by protesting against the re-purposing of the multi-story carparks.

Both Toowong and Indooroopilly Shopping Centres will need to brace themselves. Especially Toowong.

Toowong already has a policy for this (and it's been in place for years). Cars are not permitted to park there fore more than 4hrs. I did once and came back to find a letter under my wiper letting me know that my car had been noted as being there over this time frame, that my number plate had been noted and if I was found again my car would be towed. Alternatively, if I really had somehow managed to spend +4hrs in the center then they were more than happy to take me off the list if I came visit Center Management. I would assume Indro would have something similar.

[Jonno]

UQ students parking there are set to rise soon too.
UQ are repurposing some casual parking spaces (in the Multi-Storey carparks).

Major trip generators should be made to plan how they are going to minimise vehicle trips same as they sus for the Water Management Plan.  Let's start fixing the problem rather than continue to create it in the name of fixing it!!

[James]

Toowong already has a policy for this (and it's been in place for years). Cars are not permitted to park there fore more than 4hrs. I did once and came back to find a letter under my wiper letting me know that my car had been noted as being there over this time frame, that my number plate had been noted and if I was found again my car would be towed. Alternatively, if I really had somehow managed to spend +4hrs in the center then they were more than happy to take me off the list if I came visit Center Management. I would assume Indro would have something similar.

Given how dead Toowong Village is, Centre Management would probably be asking for your autograph if you'd spent that long there.

Just because it is "policy" doesn't mean it is actively policed and that cars are towed every day. I know plenty of people who park at Indooroopilly and never get so much of a peep out of centre management. Perhaps Indooroopilly is too lazy to police it.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Toombul shopping centre will fine users if they park over four hours

[#Metro]

Charging for Car Parking

The first measure was reserved parking, very interesting concept, then this gave way to usual daily charging.

Car park supply is not free and neither is the land take. In places where the car park is large and is close to or over capacity, charges should be levied. Money can be spent on quality bicycle facilities etc.

http://transportblog.co.nz/2014/05/29/how-to-charge-for-pr/

[Jonno]

Charging for Car Parking

The first measure was reserved parking, very interesting concept, then this gave way to usual daily charging.

Car park supply is not free and neither is the land take. In places where the car park is large and is close to or over capacity, charges should be levied. Money can be spent on quality bicycle facilities etc.

http://transportblog.co.nz/2014/05/29/how-to-charge-for-pr/

Problem is the money being made is going into building more parking or creating more demand for parking not bicycle facilities. We have built a city and provide public transport services that force a large majority of the pop to drive and then charge for car parking.  It is almost a form of extortion!

[HappyTrainGuy]

Also helps if there is a proper transport network for starters otherwise your just ripping off more customers and increasing the option to drive to other zones or drive to work completely.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Council to act on problem parking in Brisbane central business district

[Derwan]

Happened to catch A Current Affair tonight - talking about councils "revenue raising" by catching people parking illegally or overstaying the time they've paid for.  (Well duh, if you park illegally or overstay, you deserve to get fined!)

Anyway - they went around some of the capitals and the Gold Coast and provided amounts of how much revenue had been raised by parking fines.  Interestingly enough, Perth was the least amount - even less than the Gold Coast.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Perth has the BEST public transport in Australia.

Here's the story: http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8855687/parking-fines-pay-day

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> No residents on parking taskforce: Lord Mayor Graham Quirk

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Highrise plans cause parking concern

[ozbob]

BCC

Brisbane Parking Taskforce feedback deadline approaches

--> https://www.facebook.com/notes/brisbane-city-council/brisbane-parking-taskforce-feedback-deadline-approaches/752338598140939

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane CBD parking: find best deals through new web portal

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Lord Mayor announces a 'parking portal' website for Brisbane residents.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Morningside councillor Shayne Sutton calls for parking permit scheme in Bulimba

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane's car park gold mines revealed

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Sports fans cops fines of $1.2 million a year for parking around stadiums

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> It's time for a serious look at Brisbane parking