Building a core Frequent network

[HappyTrainGuy]

Maybe. But there's not much of a difference compared to 4pm on a weekday (Photo from late last year. Waiting at Geebung).

I can't see your photo here.

Sorry, broken link. Fixed now.



The Caboolture line needs to really work on maintaining off peak patronage all the time rather than just relying on the periods before/after the peaks. Geebung has 4 routes (its 5 but the 336/337 are loops) and yet the 326/327 can't be used as feeders as they arrive at the station the same time that both trains do. 336/337 are better as they arrive before the train/after the train but depending on the direction because of the frequency it burns the traveller on the direction they want to go in. 325 is the same as the 336/337 but with double the frequency with hourly buses but as both arrive at the station 10 mins before the trains the traveller is going to get burned depending on the direction they are going in. Great going to the station... burned going from the station. This could be a good CFN interchange station with the 345 buz from the Aspley interchange and a 333 buz from Chermside interchange (could also be a 325 buz depending on how the whole and local network is configured for them).

Virginia has a new shared walkway linking to Sandgate road/other side of Sandgate road without using the lights (I don't know if they have opened it yet but it looks completed for about a month now). New bike facilities/lockers and improved station lighting/lighting surrounding areas eg the pathway would help get a few people to cycle there from the trapped pocket between Virginia and Bindha stations along with the existing shared pathway to the north/west of the station towards Chermside.

Zillmere.... daytime its good and safe to walk around the streets, pass the cafes, coffee shops and stores. It has the 330. A few nearby schools. Looks like a new apartment complex is going up next to the road overpass and some housing complexes near by... but the surrounding streets with poor lighting and the people that like to lurk around the area at night really doesn't make the area that safe if your by yourself when the sun starts to set as I (maybe some others here) have found out numerous times before travelling that small 100-150m distance from the bus stop door of the 330 to the station staircase.

Carseldine has had some improved bus services but far from ideal such as the peak hour direction only 329 (Bracken Ridge to Carseldine station via Lacey Road - the housing estates that are poping up finally have a bus service). The 328 is a good idea but could be handled better by cutting it and having the 340 extended to Boondall station via Fitzgibbon/Rogan road (15 min feeder services to two stations taking 5-10 mins each way). It would cut into some of the 325 patronage but hey that's an hourly service on a 500m section of Rogan Road. The 335 should terminate at Boondall station. Rework the 335 so it goes to Boondall station first (maybe duplicate the 325 along Rosecommon Road to Boondall) then loop through Nudgee Green before terminating at the college or run it back to the station so the drivers can have a break in a well lit area at night (maybe run it so it departs citybound whenever to do the College Green leg then dwells at the station again before the trains arrive and depart as its about a 2 minute difference then continue onwards to teh city). The 326/327 needs a rewrite - not just a single area but both of the whole route to improve the local network in Bracken Ridge/Sandgate/Deagon/Taigum/Zillmere/Geebung. Carseldine station already has a CFN connection with the 340 buz but it should be extended to connect Boondall station into the CFN especially with the entertainment centre near by (better than going to Northgate-Caboolture outbound when it could be Boondall to Carseldine - Caboolture outbound.

Bald Hills... usually relies on walk up patronage and people from futher out driving there to use the park and ride. Theres the 680 but that's hourly with a short walk. There's the 327 but that's hourly and depending on the time won't even go past the area. Not so great for a CFN to CFN connection but local feeders should pick up the slack. A 350 reroute and extension to Bald Hills would be quick and simple considering there are already bus stop bays/waiting areas (minus shelters and bus stop signs) along Becketts Road. 338 can pick up the slack Aspley interchange-Albany Creek.




Bracken Ridge is a huge market that hasn't been tapped into yet with cross town services between Strathpine-Sandgate (existing route takes forever when you have to transfer between 326/327 and that's providing you just didn't jump off the hourly bus to Strathpine). Prime for a CFN between the two and another CFN connection to Carseldine. Also makes getting to the convention centre easier by CFN to Carseldine and CFN to Boondall or CFN to Sandgate and then train to Boondall.

Strathpine could get extra patronage with a 338/357 boost/extension to Strathpine Station/Bus Interchange for those that live in the nearby area and work at Westfield Strathpine/the large industrial estate/commuting to the north towards Petrie/east towards Bracken Ridge and Sandgate/commuting to Albany Creek in the south along with the draw card of the Eatons Hill tavern that has musical performances/comedy shows/functions/bars/lunch and dinner services, Westfield Strathpine shopping and movies complex and the nearby sporting complex. The station isn't as good as it could be with CFN connections along Gympie Road but would be good for services/357 buz to heading towards Brendale providing some works to the station exits for the city inbound leg. Bray Park and Lawnton would be better suited for CFN connections. One way to fix it would be to remove the level crossing, make the current intersection bus only and priority to allow buses to quickly duck off Gympie road to do a uturn then head back out onto Gympie Road. Shuffle road traffic to the next intersection along using the rail over bridge to access Brendale/Eatons Hill.

Warner... well, pretty much the whole pine rivers area really needs a kick in the backside when it comes to bus frequency and operating hours. Hourly peak hour services and poor afternoon/night running hours makes the park and rides heavily used or driving all the way/futher in. Petrie could also have more patronage if the bus services to Redcliffe/North Lakes were run more frequently/running longer into the night. MBRL would help with added patronage into the line but buses also need to step up to get people to and from the stations at night.

Dakabin... Needs waaaaaaaaaaay better street lighting to and from the station. Rather than have buses feed into Dakabin station itself have them feed into Petrie/North Lakes. Only reason I say that is to use the frequency at Petrie with Nambour, Caboolture, Petrie during peak hour/track closures and soon to be MBRL.

Narangba is pretty decent feeder bus wise. The 663 could do with longer running hours into the night. Extending peak hour services for the local bus network and rail network would go along way too. Wouldn't mind seeing a Burpengary-Narangba service to the west but the road network/housing development stuffed that right up for ever implimenting that. I don't know the loads for the 660 but it would be a good CFN for Deception Bay to Redcliffe and Burpengary/Caboolture. Burpengary in general could do with a running hours boost for the 664?

Morayfield could also do better with its running hours. Maybe some trials to see if they would be worth it.

Caboolture could also be better with its bus services. I don't know about the loads on the 640/643 (643 would have to become a full tiem route - Maybe merge it with the existing 644) but they could also get a boost for running longer and to half hourly to provide a 15 min service Caboolture station-Bribie Island shopping centre (still 30mins for those that want to get off at Godwin Beach and Sandstone Point/Ningi).

The train network has to be treated as a CFN but it needs to connect with other CFN modes and feeder bus services for it to be used at its maximum potential. A large portion of which currently evades the Caboolture line compared to sections the Ipswich line. The patronage is there, it just has to be unlocked.

[somebody]

Are you thinking of something like this for Sandgate-BR-Strathpine: https://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Rainbow+St&daddr=Bracken+Ridge+QLD+to:Gympie+Rd%2FState+Route+58&hl=en&sll=-27.324119,153.060193&sspn=0.026689,0.038409&geocode=FVAbX_4dqqUfCQ%3BFccFX_4dLP8eCSkzKQik4OKTazFAgd7zWqMCBQ%3BFYpKX_4dYHMeCQ&oq=strath&t=h&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=15&z=15

I don't really see the point to "targeted" frequency improvements.  Way to half bake it - it gets the minimum patronage increase for the cost.

Times I've used the Caboolture line off peak it has had a lot of variability in the number of people on it.  Some services are quite busy and even have standees - others have few passengers.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Yeah, loads can vary alot which is quite strange to people that don't usually catch the train. Inbound off peak standing loads are quite rare (usually before 10am with a few around the doors that don't want to sit next to people). Outbound usually happens from about 2 as school/tafe and uni students/workers/older finishing up early/older people which joins onto the 9-5 workers from the city and surrounds along with more school students before quickly dropping off. A few extra services during these times from extending peak hour would help until infrastructure upgrades such as MBRL are done. It might not be 15 minutes all day like alot of people want but I reckon its a good comprimise/something easily acheivable in the short run.

Yeah, Something similar that cuts quickly though Bracken Ridge but still having some decent coverage. I don't know if the loadings for the 330 has changed through Bracken Ridge are still valid in terms of where more people get on since it was buzed as I don't tend to travel through Bracken Ridge via PT that much since May. Maybe send it down Phillips Street or a mix of the old 326/327 route instead and then have the 330 run reversed to down Denham street to Norris Road straight to Carseldine. The two routes can be flipped so the Sandgate services runs down Barrett Street and the 330 along Phillips street but that cuts out the middle of Bracken Ridge. Only problem is that it can cut out the tafe on Norris Road depending how the routes are ran.

[somebody]

I was thinking that the 330 already covered Phillips St.

Around 4-5pm outbound from the CBD on a Saturday is also quite busy on the Caboolture line.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Currently the 330 goes down Phillips Street to Norris road. I reversed it so the 330 outbound did the inbound leg section first through Bracken Ridge.



This is what I was thinking something like. Feel free to change etc.

• Green current 330 outbound.
• Blue rerouted 330 outbound to Carseldine station.
• Red rerouted/merged 326/327 into new Strathpine-Sandgate route (The spaced section through Bracken Ridge are where it could run depending on how things are arranged ie speed, lack of coverage and where routes go - The 329 might even be able to cover the inner west or to Bald Hills as a rail bus allowing the Sandgate route to quickly utilise Norris Road).
• Yellow extended 329 for peak hour to cover off any missed coverage from the 330 removal/quick access from the station.

[somebody]

Ok, but all that does assume that the road extension you keep talking about is actually built.  Is that a happening thing or only a proposal?

[HappyTrainGuy]

It's part of the major development for the Fitzgibbon area. The busway corridor is reserved (viewable from passing trains) and would be a simple paved road unlike the expensive ones we've already seen been built. It's unlikely to go ahead anymore with the corridor space still being reserved (Shouldn't have been in the first place considering how few routes/lack of frequency servicing the area).

Transport
The precinct is traversed by the north/south connector road, providing a major connection for public transport, private vehicle and pedestrian and cycle access (refer to Figure 6). The north/south connector road is to be constructed to a 1 in a 100 year flood immunity level.

[somebody]

Ok, so if it's unlikely to be built, why assume it will be?

[HappyTrainGuy]

The busway beside the railway line won't likely be built. The small stretch of road (approx 500-600m) connecting the intersection of Norris Road/Telegraph Road to the existing Roghan Road extension will be built. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in the above post.

[somebody]

Do you know if there is a time frame on it?

[HappyTrainGuy]

No idea on exact dates if they've changed or not. I remember getting/told some rough information about it relating to one of the building/development stages a while back (early 2010). IIRC it was somewhere around late 2013 that could be brought forward or delayed as its subject to stage changes/modifications, property development numbers or something relating to current construction, road access upgrades (I assume that meant upgrading roads leading to it such as Rogan Road/Beams Road and major upgrades to the Telegraph/Norris Road intersection to handle the through and turning traffic - Hey, maybe they might bang it out at the same time the overpass goes through?) and the normal this and that that they normally feed you. I'll have a dig around to see if I can find those info sheets/notes.

[#Metro]

We now have a tool to evaluate MOBILITY!!
Mapnificent!!

http://www.humantransit.org/2010/11/mapnificent-your-freedom-to-roam.html

This is a map of where you can get to on the TL network currently in 30 minutes.
Inputs: Walking time 10 minutes, 30 minute trip. Sunday at 12 noon.

Northern Suburbs


Southern Suburbs

[somebody]

It doesn't include waiting time so I don't know how they figure "at most"

[Gazza]

Why is it showing Graceville etc as a no go zone? It's only 16 mins from Roma St.

[#Metro]

^ Yes, I was thinking about that and I don't have an answer. Data supplied by TL apparently.

[Golliwog]

Might be bus only? What you've marked as the FG line could just as easily be the 390 from where it ends. It's only a 31 minute trip from FG to Central IIRC.

[kazzac]

Also you forgot to mark BUZ 120 that services Mcgregor,Coopers Plains,Salisbury[via Orange Grove Rd/ Toohey rd]Tarragindi through to Earl St Greenslopes than onto busway at Buranda

[#Metro]

Golliwog, perhaps, but frequent services on train are so little as to be negligible IMHO (LOL!!)

[Gazza]

Also you forgot to mark BUZ 120 that services Mcgregor,Coopers Plains,Salisbury[via Orange Grove Rd/ Toohey rd]Tarragindi through to Earl St Greenslopes than onto busway at Buranda

I think it must be bus only.
TT marked it as "Beenleigh/Airport train", but its actually the 120 BUZ in that area which is making the blobs.

[kazzac]

yes it is

[Mr X]

Wow what a useless program. It's telling me that I can't get from my house in Highgate Hill to Coorparoo within a 2hr timeframe at 12pm on a weekday:


I'm pretty sure I can

[achiruel]

It seems that for SEQ at least it doesn't consider rail but only buses.  e.g. I can't get to anywhere on the Beenleigh line unless it's served by a bus.

Also I know I can get to Logan Hyperdome in < 90 minutes but this map doesn't seem to think so.

[#Metro]

Hello. There seems to be some misunderstanding about the map. It considers a 10 minute walk ok and maps for a person standing at queen street mall.