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Overall performance for 2010.  Consider timetable, congestion, parking, stations, and bus integration.

4 or less
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Offline ozbob

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« on: November 28, 2010, 07:08:43 AM »
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 10:40:13 AM »
I'd have voted 2/10 if I could have.

Easily the worst line on the system.

- Non clockface timetable with huge gaps.
- Pathetic bus shuttle filling in for some services.
- Interurban services without a toilet - seriously!  QR are breaching their own standards by running these, and frankly it should be illegal and incur a penalty..
- Potential capacity & speed increase from duplication has been ignored.
- Further extension of duplication & CAMCOS have been deferred to "never never".
- Government inaction leads me to question when if ever rail north of Caboolture is going to get its fair share of funding & development.
- Except for Gympie North, new timetable is going to make things worse!

TransLink & Rachel Nolan - YOU MUST BE JOKING inflicting a service like this on the Sunshine Coast.

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 10:43:12 AM »
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 01:39:41 PM »
I'd have voted 2/10 if I could have.

Easily the worst line on the system.

- Non clockface timetable with huge gaps.

- Pathetic bus shuttle filling in for some services.

- Interurban services without a toilet - seriously!  QR are breaching their own standards by running these, and frankly it should be illegal and incur a penalty..

- Potential capacity & speed increase from duplication has been ignored.

- Further extension of duplication & CAMCOS have been deferred to "never never".

- Government inaction leads me to question when if ever rail north of Caboolture is going to get its fair share of funding & development.
- Except for Gympie North, new timetable is going to make things worse!

TransLink & Rachel Nolan - YOU MUST BE JOKING inflicting a service like this on the Sunshine Coast.



and down in New South Wales..........

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Toilets on outer suburban and regional trains (NSW CityRail)
Outer suburban and regional trains have toilets on board. Outer suburban Tangaras and Oscars, and the regional Endeavour and Hunter car services, ALL have unisex accessible toilets with power assisted doors. There is an accessible path between the accessible toilet and allocated wheelchair space/s on the Oscar, Endeavour and Hunter cars. The Hunter and Endeavour toilets also include a baby change table.

Toilets, but not accessible toilets, are available on intercity services. Suburban trains (silver sets, Tangaras and Millenniums) do not have toilet facilities.

For more details with regards to toilets at stations or on (NSW) CityRail services HERE



 :pr Wake up and get with the times Mr Scurrah and QueenslandRail and STOP sending non-toilet trains on our interurban rail services to the Sunshine Coast:pr

« Last Edit: December 01, 2010, 01:41:59 PM by Sunbus610 »
Proud to be a Sunshine Coaster ..........

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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 03:44:13 PM »

Sadly, the situation is going to get worse:

the annual compounded growth rate for morning peak passenger numbers on the North Coast line beyond Caboolture is six per cent, second only to 7.1 per cent figure for the Gold Coast line south of Beenleigh

annual freight growth on the North Coast Line is set to double over a 20-year period, creating conflicts for scheduling freight and passenger trains throughout the day.


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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 03:51:00 PM »
annual freight growth on the North Coast Line is set to double over a 20-year period, creating conflicts for scheduling freight and passenger trains throughout the day.
Meaning the duplication should be happening now!  Indeed one wonders if a 3rd line might be necessary by 2031, at least from Petrie to Beerwah.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2010, 03:55:00 PM by colinw »

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 04:33:01 PM »

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Sadly, the situation is going to get worse:

the annual compounded growth rate for morning peak passenger numbers on the North Coast line beyond Caboolture is six per cent, second only to 7.1 per cent figure for the Gold Coast line south of Beenleigh

annual freight growth on the North Coast Line is set to double over a 20-year period, creating conflicts for scheduling freight and passenger trains throughout the day.

Do you have a reference for this.  :) :is-
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 04:34:15 PM »
Also, random question: how wide a corridor is being reserved with the realigned track sections on the north coast lines? Will it be enough to take quad track without further resumptions?
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 07:54:09 PM »
:pr Wake up and get with the times Mr Scurrah and QueenslandRail and STOP sending non-toilet trains on our interurban rail services to the Sunshine Coast:pr[Sunbus610 quote]

Fingers.... er I mean legs crossed.

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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 07:57:19 PM »

the annual compounded growth rate for morning peak passenger numbers on the North Coast line beyond Caboolture is six per cent, second only to 7.1 per cent figure for the Gold Coast line south of Beenleigh


If TransLink/QR ever release the March 2010 Passenger Load Survey, you will probably find that growth somewhat neutered in 2009-10.


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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 09:32:21 AM »
If TransLink/QR ever release the March 2010 Passenger Load Survey, you will probably find that growth somewhat neutered in 2009-10.
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 09:45:12 AM »

Is it a case of: 'Dont built it and they won't come'?

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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2010, 05:33:36 PM »
Score 4.5
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2010, 02:55:58 AM »
From the Sunshine Coast Daily click here!

Public transport rated poorly

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Public transport rated poorly

PATRICK WILLIAMS | 18th December 2010

PUBLIC transport on the Sunshine Coast has been dealt a scathing report card on its performance in 2010.

Online transport advocacy group Rail Back On Track released the damning results into the train and bus services as part of a South-East Queensland evaluation of public transport yesterday.

The Sunshine Coast link of the Queensland Rail city network was the worst in its category, scoring 4.5 out of a possible 10.

Translink’s Sunbus service pulled in a 5.3 ranking, the second worst for SEQ behind the Western Region (Ipswich).

Major factors contributing to the scores included timetables, congestion, parking and stations.

Rail Back On Track spokesman Robert Dow said urgent improvements were needed.

“We don’t think it’s fair for Sunshine Coast commuters to have to put up with third world services,” Mr Dow said.

He said better frequency with trains, more carriages with toilets and making sure train-to-bus connections link up were essential.

Maroochydore MP and Opposition Transport spokeswoman Fiona Simpson said the Bligh Government needed to act on the report.

“It’s a consumer focus assessment and that’s exactly what the government needs to listen to,” Ms Simpson said.

Cherie Beaumont-Tyson, a spokeswoman for Transit Australia Group, which owns Sunbus, said: “We don’t believe that this report is a reliable source of public transport benchmarking.”

A Queensland Rail spokesperson only said they were continuously looking to improve its services for customers right across the network.
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2010, 09:24:00 AM »
Well, behind the numbers lie documented and real problems. The numbers make sense and are backed up by commuter experience. The results again are similar to those in other years too, so there is a level of consistency. No different to a targeted focus group. And unlike TransLink tracker, which publishes numbers, you can identify individual issues.

Do doubt the Sunshine Coast line performed the worst. How do people feel catching a train that has no toilet - customer service anyone? Or have their timetable proposed to be changed from an express to stopping all stations as it enters the inner city? Or the number of delays on that line? Or the fact that the services at a terrible service frequency? Or that you have to drive to the rail stations out there because there is still no rail station at Maroochydore (CAMCOS).

Cherie Beaumont-Tyson of TAG is entitled to her view, but IMHO it misses the point. We are not rating how good sunbus is, but how good/bad the services in that region are.  When you realise that Sunbus drivers are currently ready to go on strike on the 17 - 18th december where there will be no services then and media reports about Sunbus drivers and assults on drivers, perhaps it makes sense.

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A Transport Workers Union spokesman said it was a situation made worse because drivers were often reluctant to report incidents as they felt their bosses would take it as an attack on the company.

“The Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast and Townsville – that is where most of the violence against bus drivers occurs,” he said.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2010/12/13/bus-drivers-under-siege-sunbusdrivers-punched/

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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2010, 09:25:01 AM »
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“It’s a consumer focus assessment and that’s exactly what the government needs to listen to,” Ms Simpson said.

Exactly. We use the services! We know!!!  :is-

Just read the comments section and see what your customers passengers are saying http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2010/12/13/bus-drivers-under-siege-sunbusdrivers-punched/
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2010, 09:35:47 AM »
Hello tramtrain,

You nailed it !
Absolutely agree with you.
It's all about the services, and guess who (is supposed) to provide them ?

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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2010, 10:00:45 AM »
They should be happy this kind of information is being made FREE by affected commuters in a constructive way.
How much and how useful would hiring an expensive consultant cost $$ thousands??? And that is a one-off thing.

Anyone can go to railbotforum.org and see what is happening in real time.

Fares_fair, I really sympathise with Sunshine Coast commuters. If I were a Sunshine Coast commuter, i would be arranging a private carpool or bus into Brisbane rather than catch the train. It would probably be faster. I don't know what the law says in regards to paid carpool or vanpools.

The situation is made all the more stark when you consider that the Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast in terms of geography, development pattern, distance and population (Sunshine Coast has less people, but it is growing) are almost mirror images of one another.

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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2010, 02:50:34 PM »
Bite!

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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2010, 03:02:08 PM »
I'm guessing from TAG's point of view is that they might be thinking that since it's not a scientific poll done by qualified people who specialise in statistics, that these statistics aren't a true value (even if it is negative) of the general travelling public. 

I also think that they think that since this is a lobby group, those who come onto here generally have some reason, possibly they've have had a negative experience and so that bias can skew the results.  Which is perfectly reasonable logic to take for them. 

I'm not saying that I believe that though, just guessing from what they might be thinking.

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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2010, 03:11:07 PM »
They are in denial ... lol

Focus groups are a standard methodology, as recognised by Ms Simpson.  I don't really mind what others think, the reality is the Sunshine Coast line needs a lot of improvement. If they took the time to read the comments they might be a little bit more informed of the actuality.

My comments re bus to the journalist were actually broadly supportive of the coastal services, some of the things they are do are most innovative (e.g. free travel over Christmas holidays) the thing that makes the bus not good overall is related to the poor train frequency and the problems with rail/bus connections.
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Re: Sunshine Coast
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2010, 03:16:10 PM »
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I'm guessing from TAG's point of view is that they might be thinking that since it's not a scientific poll done by qualified people who specialise in statistics, that these statistics aren't a true value (even if it is negative) of the general travelling public.

I also think that they think that since this is a lobby group, those who come onto here generally have some reason, possibly they've have had a negative experience and so that bias can skew the results.  Which is perfectly reasonable logic to take for them.

I'm not saying that I believe that though, just guessing from what they might be thinking.

Yes I agree. The results though for TransLink's very expensive fluorescent orange rubbish bin survey have not come back or been released.
People often come on to the forum to raise grievances and they often result in constructive suggestions. No different to the RACQ releasing
its travel time surveys and congestion blackspot areas or the cycling group releasing reports into areas that need improvements.

I must say, the things and issues RailBot raises are far less controversial than the things raised in the Courier Mail et al.
There are far more damning comments in the "comments and feedback" sections of the newspaper websites.

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