2011 Timetable changes

[interested_bystander]

As John Donne once said (along with other notables), 'comparisons are odious'. Although in the past, timetable changes from Queensland Rail have been superficial additions to an existing service plan, it is clear that this timetable change is a complete revision. As such, it confuses me that there's still an inclination towards comparing it to the current timetables on the revised lines. The implication seems to be that the currently operating timetable is in fact the only right way to do things! We catch the services that are departing at particular times not because departing at, say, 5:12pm, is the exact time we wish to depart but because that's when the service is supplied. Let's try not to give the current Ipswich/Caboolture/Sunshine Coast timetables too much credit, shall we!

[ozbob]

Welcome interested_bystander.  

Thanks for your comments, the general public needs to be given a bit more of the rationale behind the changes along those lines.

They are confused because no information other than a blunt timetable has been made available to them.

They need to be informed of the longer term strategies and why these new changes are needed.

[somebody]

For some stations the train frequency is reduced.  Currently Chelmer has ten trains inbound to the city between 6.45 adn 7.45 with an average wait time of approx 7 min.  With the proposed 'draft' schedule the number of services is reduced to six and average wait time between each train is increased to 15 min.  Seems like the frequencty of the 'hubs' is at the expense of the other stations.  I have provided feedback to TL...any other suggestions?

I don't follow.  The only time there is a gap of longer than 12 minutes is from 6:46am-7:04am  I see a need to plug this gap.  Other than that, you have a base frequency of 12 minutes 6:28am-7:28am and then 6 minutes 7:28am-8:04am going back to no worse than 12 minutes until 8:49am.

interested_bystander, good point.  But it does seem that the Caboolture and Sunshine Coast timetables are a retrograde step.

[ozbob]

As suggested at the online meeting last evening, specific threads now set up --> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?board=52.0

[interested_bystander]

Welcome interested_bystander.  

Thanks for your comments, the general public needs to be given a bit more of the rationale behind the changes along those lines.

They are confused because no information other than a blunt timetable has been made available to them.

They need to be informed of the longer term strategies and why these new changes are needed.

Thank you ozbob!

This is very true. I imagine the first opportunity to be exposed to the long-term strategy will be the community engagement sessions. At least, I certainly hope so! The Translink communications and feedback forums seem garbled and confused, I don't foresee any discussion of overarching strategy coming from THAT area any time soon. Hopefully this is just a temporary hiccup though.
The minor alterations to Shorncliffe services indicate to me that it is likely the Shorncliffe and Caboolture/North Coast services are to be separated along the city lines - which will natually leave room for additional Caboolture services in the future, surely. This could possibly explain the all-stopping rationale between Northgate and Bowen Hills? All speculation, of course, I look forward to hearing more about the development process.

[skippy]

Gazza....our jobs are in town. Maybe Translink are of the opinion that everyone lives 20 or 30 minutes away from where they work. Perhaps 10 years ago this was correct, but times have changed. This could also be the reason that most Sunshine Coast services don't have toilets!!!

At the risk of getting off topic, this is precisely why the government should decentralise to the regions and not within 15km of Brisbane CBD. Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Ipswich and Toowoomba have the critical mass and infrastructure to attract and retain employees address lack of quality employment opportunites in these regions. Qld Transport Main Roads Department have recently transferred the adminstation of the area north of Strathpine from Spring Hill to Caboolture. Likewise Sunshine Coast main road projects are now administered from Maroochydore.

[#Metro]

Still too close-- they need to go to Cairns and Townsville. That way you will never be able to commute there, using any mode... maybe Concorde. 

[STB]

Figured I'd post in here as I was quite general about the 2011 timetable changes up at the Caboolture consultation today.

Now, some of what I might say might be a bit controversal but there's a logic to it.

Firstly, I suggested to them of not stopping the trains from Richlands at Darra station due to the fact that there'll be (and they said they have already picked up on this point) a saturation of trains servicing Darra which will straight away attract passengers away from Richlands and Oxley-Corinda (catchment area) simply due to the much higher frequency and choice of services which in turn could cause some major park and ride issues surrounding Darra station.  So this would even out the service levels accross all the stations (Darra, Richlands, Oxley) and in turn should at least even out the park and ride levels across those stations.

In regards to the Caboolture and Sunshine Coast lines, I asked about the stopping pattern between Northgate and Bowen Hills, the rational behind that is a number of reasons, one of them is to spread loadings across all the services, ie: if someone wants to get off between Northgate and Bowen Hills, then in the current timetables they must get off at Northgate and board an all stopper service which impacts on the loading levels of that service.  Another reason for it (in a nutshell) is in case of a disruption then there are no expresses in a holding pattern riding up the behind of an all stopper, so if they are all all stoppers it becomes easier to manage the trains from a control point of view.  And lastly, it also allows a few extra train paths to be freed up.  They also said that there is no time saving in running trains from Caboolture express Northgate to Bowen Hills, on the train graphs they arrive at the same time as the proposed revert to an all stops service.

The Gympie North services are all going to be ICE services so due to safety restrictions on the ICE trains in the inner city area, they will not stop between Northgate and Bowen Hills, they have been treated as another line all together.

In regards to the Shorncliffe line, I suggested to simply extend all the Shorncliffe services through to Cleveland (in the draft timetables they extend to Cleveland in the evenings and the first service from Shorncliffe in the morning), simply because the trains from Shorncliffe arrive at Central roughly the same time as when the Cleveland trains depart, so there's a natural corridor there.

The service from Gympie North that's due to arrive at Fortitude Valley at 8:36am, Monday to Friday and not leave until 8:41am arriving Central at 8:44am is due to the fact of trains taking up both platforms at Central and other trains clearing Roma St to return to Mayne yards (via Exhibition).  If you look at the train graphs, there is no clear path until this time.

Route 104 (Corinda to PA Hospital via Tennyson) is under review at the moment.  The advice that was given to me by the planner who's involved in reviewing this service, is that there will probably be a slightly reduced service as passenger loadings is low, most of the patronage is in the local Corinda area and not beyond, and they are looking at extending the service through to Buranda via the Boggo Road busway.  They are also planning on integrating this service with route 105 so people can make a transfer from route 104 to route 105 if they so wish to in the Graceville area.  All the other routes that feed into the Ipswich-Caboolture rail lines are under review at the moment.

Also I was told of some trivia, with the current signalling within the city area, based on the modelling that's been done, you can reach a frequency of a train every 87secs through the city as long as none of the trains stop and they all run at a constant speed.

And finally, in terms of the freights, there are talks currently underway on how to deal with the freight trains as achieving a 15min frequency along the Ips-Cab corridor will be tricky due to the fact that you need larger clearances between the electric passenger trains and the diesel freighters.  Under this draft timetable I was advised that a number of the freights currently operating have had to be put out quite a bit due to the much higher frequency in the peak hours.

[STB]

Oh, almost forgot, by taking out the Tennyson line they gain an extra path on the Ipswich line and an extra path on the Beenleigh line/Merivale Bridge.

[ozbob]

Firstly, I suggested to them of not stopping the trains from Richlands at Darra station due to the fact that there'll be (and they said they have already picked up on this point) a saturation of trains servicing Darra which will straight away attract passengers away from Richlands and Oxley-Corinda (catchment area) simply due to the much higher frequency and choice of services which in turn could cause some major park and ride issues surrounding Darra station.  So this would even out the service levels accross all the stations (Darra, Richlands, Oxley) and in turn should at least even out the park and ride levels across those stations.

Won't work as the Richlands trains are the all stoppers for pax off the expresses transferring to stations by passed by the expresses.  And why would you deny Darra a 15 minute out of peak service but give it to Oxley?  Also Darra is the hub and junction station for the western line.  Sorry STB won't fly and is silly.  There is also the issue of poor frequency and service out of Richlands, and in fact a  number of buses will be going through to Darra from Richlands as well.

Darra is also going to be set up as bus feeder station, hence the frequency.

[STB]

I thought you might say that .  At the end of the day it's up to them of course, it was mearly a suggestion to try and spread the park and ride loads at Darra.  And I wasn't suggesting it for the off peak hours, so you get to keep your 15min service if they chose to do that (unlikely I know).

[ozbob]

The park and ride problems are not really a Darra issue alone at all, Oxley is far worse, and Corinda is on a par with Darra. 

Darra is critical to relieving the pressures from Indooroopilly through to Wacol, taking away trains from Darra would be a disaster of the highest order. 

[ozbob]

How would a pax get to Oxley if they are on an express from Ipswich during the peak if the Richlands all stoppers bypassed Darra?  Travel into Indooroopilly and then wait for the poor anti-peak service to get back to Oxley?  

Similarly a pax for Ipswich from Richlands?  Is going via Indooroopilly or wherever??  Makes no sense.

One of the reasons Darra has 4 platforms and the signalling capability is for it to be a transfer hub.

[ozbob]

There is another car park being constructed at Darra, I was down their earlier today.  The real parking crises areas  in severity are Oxley, Corinda, Graceville, Darra, Sherwood, and further out at the Wacol and Goodna and onwards.  It is anticipated that Darra will have some direct relief with Richlands opening.   During the day after say 8am, impossible to park at Oxley, can still park at Darra in adjacent streets.  Oxley is far worse than Darra so the intent of your suggestion to bypass Darra is only going to make things worse actually.

[ozbob]

Route 104 (Corinda to PA Hospital via Tennyson) is under review at the moment.  The advice that was given to me by the planner who's involved in reviewing this service, is that there will probably be a slightly reduced service as passenger loadings is low, most of the patronage is in the local Corinda area and not beyond, and they are looking at extending the service through to Buranda via the Boggo Road busway.  They are also planning on integrating this service with route 105 so people can make a transfer from route 104 to route 105 if they so wish to in the Graceville area.  All the other routes that feed into the Ipswich-Caboolture rail lines are under review at the moment.

Very interesting in view of the spin about concerning the removal of the Tennyson services.  They are telling folks that the 104 bus is to be beefed up in lieu. More lies and duplicity about again hey??   The 104 will actually increase in pax load.  Can see a Ipswich bus rage happening around Corinda before too long ..

Honestly, this whole process is turning into a farce.  They tell folks that consultation is not really going to change anything but then claim that is not the case ...  I suspect that the whole process is designed to give more time to do nothing really.

They have had years to sort this and it should have all gone over on the day Richlands started. You do realise folks that Richlands will have shuttles STB on the interim timetable for the first half of year (as it is increasingly looking like) which makes the idea to bypass Darra a bit difficult STB as the shuttles are between Darra and Richlands ...

[ozbob]

And finally, in terms of the freights, there are talks currently underway on how to deal with the freight trains as achieving a 15min frequency along the Ips-Cab corridor will be tricky due to the fact that you need larger clearances between the electric passenger trains and the diesel freighters.  Under this draft timetable I was advised that a number of the freights currently operating have had to be put out quite a bit due to the much higher frequency in the peak hours.

Only now there are talks underway???   HHAHAHAHA

Are they for real??    Tell them to get a stop watch and watch the procession through either Oxley or Darra.   They slot in coalies during the peaks for goodness sake which is little bit more frequent than 15 minutes.  It has been noted up to 5 freight movements between 30 minute spaced subs.  This is not the norm but not unusual to observe 2 or 3.  The frequency is really only an issue from Darra inwards and with the extra lines now they will cope.

[ozbob]

The Gympie North services are all going to be ICE services so due to safety restrictions on the ICE trains in the inner city area, they will not stop between Northgate and Bowen Hills, they have been treated as another line all together.

Some sensibility there.  I did ask about that as was concerned about the ICEs stopping all stations ....  extending the Cooroy flyer is a welcome small but important improvement.

[ozbob]

In regards to the Caboolture and Sunshine Coast lines, I asked about the stopping pattern between Northgate and Bowen Hills, the rational behind that is a number of reasons, one of them is to spread loadings across all the services, ie: if someone wants to get off between Northgate and Bowen Hills, then in the current timetables they must get off at Northgate and board an all stopper service which impacts on the loading levels of that service.  Another reason for it (in a nutshell) is in case of a disruption then there are no expresses in a holding pattern riding up the behind of an all stopper, so if they are all all stoppers it becomes easier to manage the trains from a control point of view.  And lastly, it also allows a few extra train paths to be freed up.  They also said that there is no time saving in running trains from Caboolture express Northgate to Bowen Hills, on the train graphs they arrive at the same time as the proposed revert to an all stops service.

Yes in general understand that to be the essential rationale, they are making it easer to manage and for pax.  

By passing Darra is doing the exact opposite.

[ozbob]

In regards to the Shorncliffe line, I suggested to simply extend all the Shorncliffe services through to Cleveland (in the draft timetables they extend to Cleveland in the evenings and the first service from Shorncliffe in the morning), simply because the trains from Shorncliffe arrive at Central roughly the same time as when the Cleveland trains depart, so there's a natural corridor there.

Where are Cleveland trains going?  There seems to be some further sectorisation plans that we are not across at the moment ... 

[ozbob]

The service from Gympie North that's due to arrive at Fortitude Valley at 8:36am, Monday to Friday and not leave until 8:41am arriving Central at 8:44am is due to the fact of trains taking up both platforms at Central and other trains clearing Roma St to return to Mayne yards (via Exhibition).  If you look at the train graphs, there is no clear path until this time.

At least they picked the right services to put in the fat ...  

[#Metro]

Very interesting in view of the spin about concerning the removal of the Tennyson services.  They are telling folks that the 104 bus is to be beefed up in lieu. More lies and duplicity about again hey??   The 104 will actually increase in pax load.  Can see a Ipswich bus rage happening around Corinda before too long ..

Honestly, this whole process is turning into a farce.  They tell folks that consultation is not really going to change anything but then claim that is not the case ...  I suspect that the whole process is designed to give more time to do nothing really.

They have had years to sort this and it should have all gone over on the day Richlands started. You do realise folks that Richlands will have shuttles STB on the interim timetable for the first half of year (as it is increasingly looking like) which makes the idea to bypass Darra a bit difficult STB as the shuttles are between Darra and Richlands ...

104 is an air parcel service. It needs to be re-routed to go to PA Hospital and then into UQ Lakes and terminate.
That's how they will get pax.

[mufreight]

Sorry STB but the reality is far different from your espoused perception on this one.

Quoted from your post
And finally, in terms of the freights, there are talks currently underway on how to deal with the freight trains as achieving a 15min frequency along the Ips-Cab corridor will be tricky due to the fact that you need larger clearances between the electric passenger trains and the diesel freighters.  Under this draft timetable I was advised that a number of the freights currently operating have had to be put out quite a bit due to the much higher frequency in the peak hours.

Freights (empty coal movements) are regularly operated between Corinda and Ipswich during the peaks frequently departing Corinda ahead of the passenger service with the passenger service departing Corinda as close as running on a yellow ex Corinda or if following a passenger service again on about the same clearance.
The morning peaks frequently see a loaded coal service depart Ipswich only just ahead of the passenger service which follows on a yellow signal out of Ipswich but is running on green signals by the time it reaches Booval.
now that we have dispelled the myth on headways next item of entertainment please.      

[ozbob]

Very interesting in view of the spin about concerning the removal of the Tennyson services.  They are telling folks that the 104 bus is to be beefed up in lieu. More lies and duplicity about again hey??   The 104 will actually increase in pax load.  Can see a Ipswich bus rage happening around Corinda before too long ..

Honestly, this whole process is turning into a farce.  They tell folks that consultation is not really going to change anything but then claim that is not the case ...  I suspect that the whole process is designed to give more time to do nothing really.

They have had years to sort this and it should have all gone over on the day Richlands started. You do realise folks that Richlands will have shuttles STB on the interim timetable for the first half of year (as it is increasingly looking like) which makes the idea to bypass Darra a bit difficult STB as the shuttles are between Darra and Richlands ...

104 is an air parcel service. It needs to be re-routed to go to PA Hospital and then into UQ Lakes and terminate.
That's how they will get pax.

TT, the 104 bus is the rail bus  ex Corinda to PA Hospital via Tennyson, Yeerongpilly, Dutton Park, PA Hospital.  It is an important service.

[STB]

It's not expoused perception, just passing on the message from what I was told  .

[#Metro]

TT, the 104 bus is the rail bus  ex Corinda to PA Hospital via Tennyson, Yeerongpilly, Dutton Park, PA Hospital.  It is an important service.

While I am sure it is important, IMHO it would have more pax on it if the route was changed to also include UQ Lakes in that.

[ozbob]

Oh, almost forgot, by taking out the Tennyson line they gain an extra path on the Ipswich line and an extra path on the Beenleigh line/Merivale Bridge.

Damn, there goes my hope for RM1901 to be a Tennyson Lander ...  

[ozbob]

TT, the 104 bus is the rail bus  ex Corinda to PA Hospital via Tennyson, Yeerongpilly, Dutton Park, PA Hospital.  It is an important service.

While I am sure it is important, IMHO it would have more pax on it if the route was changed to also include UQ Lakes in that.

Yes where it goes after PA Hospital can be improved, just to confirm that you understood it does go to PA Hospital.  A lot of folks use it to go to hospital from out on the Ipswich line. Also with the removal of the peak Tennyson rail services it will have much higher pax loads.  Which is fascinating considering that they are actually telling folks the 104 will be beefed up to cool them down about Tennyson non rail but the reality is they want to cut it back?   Not cool at all ..

I often see the 104 bus at Corinda and there are always pax on board. 

[STB]

My instant thought before I even asked what they were doing with route 104 was for every train that was taken out, a bus would replace it with extra services around school times.  Obviously it wasn't the case.  Not even a clockface timetable and they said it wouldn't connect with every train.  That I wasn't too impressed to hear about obviously.

[ozbob]

My instant thought before I even asked what they were doing with route 104 was for every train that was taken out, a bus would replace it with extra services around school times.  Obviously it wasn't the case.

Yes, the afternoon 'school service' from South Brisbane to Corinda via Tennyson has very solid loadings.  Some will go around but I expect many will be on the 104 ... in fact I expect the 'parents' will be the biggest yelpers about no more via Tennyson rail services ....

[STB]

My instant thought before I even asked what they were doing with route 104 was for every train that was taken out, a bus would replace it with extra services around school times.  Obviously it wasn't the case.

Yes, the afternoon 'school service' from South Brisbane to Corinda via Tennyson has very solid loadings.  Some will go around but I expect many will be on the 104 ...

Yeah they did say that they expect those school students to head to Roma St and then change to an Ipswich train there.  I did point out however that you are essentially travelling backwards to go forwards in that case which isn't the best way of doing things and not really that attractive for passengers.  They did acknowledge that.

[#Metro]

My instant thought before I even asked what they were doing with route 104 was for every train that was taken out, a bus would replace it with extra services around school times.  Obviously it wasn't the case.  Not even a clockface timetable and they said it wouldn't connect with every train.  That I wasn't too impressed to hear about obviously.

Oh, look, it looks like the age old make-the-service-horrible and then when people get turned off it, use that as "proof" to cut the service back or possibly even entirely.

Yeah they did say that they expect those school students to head to Roma St and then change to an Ipswich train there.  I did point out however that you are essentially travelling backwards to go forwards in that case which isn't the best way of doing things and not really that attractive for passengers.  They did acknowledge that.

A ramp up of cross-town and circular ring routes are needed...

[ozbob]

My instant thought before I even asked what they were doing with route 104 was for every train that was taken out, a bus would replace it with extra services around school times.  Obviously it wasn't the case.  Not even a clockface timetable and they said it wouldn't connect with every train.  That I wasn't too impressed to hear about obviously.

Another 'Ipswich Bus Rage' event looming ...   rich parents are not to be messed with ...    or more importantly the punters on the Ippy ..

I am glad the true intent was revealed ...  more BS, not looking pretty is it ..

[#Metro]

I would like to know what happened to the orange "garbage bin" survey 

Another 'Ipswich Bus Rage' event looming ...   rich parents are not to be messed with ...  Roll Eyes  or more importantly the punters on the Ippy ..
I am glad the true intent was revealed ...  more BS, not looking pretty is it ..

Not many people catch 104. It needs to be improved (or trial improvements at least) before they do anything drastic.
Clearly there are problems with that route that could do with fixing.

[ozbob]

I did point out however that you are essentially travelling backwards to go forwards

This principle is long ingrained in Queensland rail culture.  In 1995 I was on the ARHS tour to Quilpie and Cunnamulla.  A number of railway towns along the line seem to be located on a creek or river. This means that the station tends to be at the bottom of dip.  Grades out both directions.  In some locations the PB15 was not able to directly lift the train from the station.  So the train was first reversed back up the bank, and then the regulator was opened and a charge made through the station and up the grade and on our way.

There were a number of well rail known fans and identities from places other than Queensland  on that trip.  I used to tell them that in Queensland we often go backwards to go forwards ..  

seems like history is repeating ...  

There is of course the 'dance of trains' on the Sunshine Coast which is a modern example of this quaint practise ...

[ozbob]

Not many people catch 104.

From my observations a lot more pax use it than many other buses I observe.

The point is though TT the spruik going on is that the 104 will be improved to cover the loss of the rail services via Tennyson.  Now this seems to be bull doesn't it?

Your point though about extending it to UQ lakes is a good one I think.  It would certainly make it a great option for many pax.

[ozbob]

I would like to know what happened to the orange "garbage bin" survey  Huh?

Someone got confused and thought orange was green and shredded the lot!

[somebody]

Figured I'd post in here as I was quite general about the 2011 timetable changes up at the Caboolture consultation today.

Now, some of what I might say might be a bit controversal but there's a logic to it.

Firstly, I suggested to them of not stopping the trains from Richlands at Darra station due to the fact that there'll be (and they said they have already picked up on this point) a saturation of trains servicing Darra which will straight away attract passengers away from Richlands and Oxley-Corinda (catchment area) simply due to the much higher frequency and choice of services which in turn could cause some major park and ride issues surrounding Darra station.  So this would even out the service levels accross all the stations (Darra, Richlands, Oxley) and in turn should at least even out the park and ride levels across those stations.

With all due respect, I had to leave the computer after reading this one.  In addition to what others have said, it removes the ability, when you have just missed a Richlands train to interchange at Darra.

In regards to the Caboolture and Sunshine Coast lines, I asked about the stopping pattern between Northgate and Bowen Hills, the rational behind that is a number of reasons, one of them is to spread loadings across all the services, ie: if someone wants to get off between Northgate and Bowen Hills, then in the current timetables they must get off at Northgate and board an all stopper service which impacts on the loading levels of that service.  Another reason for it (in a nutshell) is in case of a disruption then there are no expresses in a holding pattern riding up the behind of an all stopper, so if they are all all stoppers it becomes easier to manage the trains from a control point of view.  And lastly, it also allows a few extra train paths to be freed up.  They also said that there is no time saving in running trains from Caboolture express Northgate to Bowen Hills, on the train graphs they arrive at the same time as the proposed revert to an all stops service.

Deep sigh at the mediocrity referred to in that paragraph!  How can express take the same time as all stops?  Are you adding in movements through points, which are placed in locations not near stations, slowing down the express trains.  That's the only way I can see.

The Gympie North services are all going to be ICE services so due to safety restrictions on the ICE trains in the inner city area, they will not stop between Northgate and Bowen Hills, they have been treated as another line all together.

Which contradicts what was said above.

In regards to the Shorncliffe line, I suggested to simply extend all the Shorncliffe services through to Cleveland (in the draft timetables they extend to Cleveland in the evenings and the first service from Shorncliffe in the morning), simply because the trains from Shorncliffe arrive at Central roughly the same time as when the Cleveland trains depart, so there's a natural corridor there.

Maybe.  And make the Doomben line Roma St terminators?

The service from Gympie North that's due to arrive at Fortitude Valley at 8:36am, Monday to Friday and not leave until 8:41am arriving Central at 8:44am is due to the fact of trains taking up both platforms at Central and other trains clearing Roma St to return to Mayne yards (via Exhibition).  If you look at the train graphs, there is no clear path until this time.

I cannot see how that is true.  If the timetable is run as published the train ahead of this train on the mains is the 8:33am (Bowen Hills) from Shorncliffe.  I can only presume this train would be retimed, otherwise it makes no sense to time the GYN train in this way.  And even if there was a train ahead, why is it taking 6 minutes to clear Central?  That you are mentioning "both platforms are occupied" suggests it is heading toward the suburbans, not the mains as per the timetable.

Route 104 (Corinda to PA Hospital via Tennyson) is under review at the moment.  The advice that was given to me by the planner who's involved in reviewing this service, is that there will probably be a slightly reduced service as passenger loadings is low, most of the patronage is in the local Corinda area and not beyond, and they are looking at extending the service through to Buranda via the Boggo Road busway.  They are also planning on integrating this service with route 105 so people can make a transfer from route 104 to route 105 if they so wish to in the Graceville area.  All the other routes that feed into the Ipswich-Caboolture rail lines are under review at the moment.

I don't follow.  Why would you bother with interchange with a route as infrequent as the 105?

Also I was told of some trivia, with the current signalling within the city area, based on the modelling that's been done, you can reach a frequency of a train every 87secs through the city as long as none of the trains stop and they all run at a constant speed.

You mean if the trains serve no stations?

Freights (empty coal movements) are regularly operated between Corinda and Ipswich during the peaks frequently departing Corinda ahead of the passenger service with the passenger service departing Corinda as close as running on a yellow ex Corinda or if following a passenger service again on about the same clearance.
The morning peaks frequently see a loaded coal service depart Ipswich only just ahead of the passenger service which follows on a yellow signal out of Ipswich but is running on green signals by the time it reaches Booval.
now that we have dispelled the myth on headways next item of entertainment please.  

I had wondered about that.  Thanks.

If the train continued via Indro, the express Ipswich trains would be catching up though.  But that's an academic point.

One thing though, I do not think that would apply in the Petrie-Caboolture track.  I don't know if any coalies run through here, but I am sure that the freight trains are slower than the Nambour ones.  Is that much of an issue?

The point is though TT the spruik going on is that the 104 will be improved to cover the loss of the rail services via Tennyson.  Now this seems to be bull doesn't it?

I've been appalled that this is the way it is done here.

[STB]

In regards to the Gympie North ICE services, they told me the safety restrictions are related to the gap between the platforms and the ICE sets (different door types apparently), also the different braking setup it has compared to the normal surburban services.

In regards to the 104 joining onto the 105, don't shoot the messenger, that's the planner's words, not mine!  He said that they are looking on allowing people to transfer to route 105 to access Indooroopilly.  I thought it was a little odd, why not simply go the railway station and make a transfer there?

Also, yeah I did ask whether it'd be better to just have Doomben-Roma St shuttle to replace the Cleveland-Doomben hourly service and move the Cleveland trains onto the Shorncliffe line after passing the city.  They said that they haven't started with planning stage 2 yet but would take that on board.

[Stillwater]

Went along to feedback session at Caboolture today.  Staff were helpful, engaged and well-informed.  I flew the flag re moving the 5.16pm SC service from Central back to 5.02pm ('oh yes, we have had lots of feedback about that') and also for keeping the 6.27am from Nambour right where it is ('yes, a few people have got back to us on that one').  The anger at Nambour among regular commuters is palpable.  There's talk of taking up a petition on both trains.  So it will be interesting to see QR and Translink reaction.

[somebody]

In regards to the 104 joining onto the 105, don't shoot the messenger, that's the planner's words, not mine!  He said that they are looking on allowing people to transfer to route 105 to access Indooroopilly.  I thought it was a little odd, why not simply go the railway station and make a transfer there?

Sorry, didn't mean to shoot the messenger. Was hoping there was some other reason which made it make sense.

In regards to the Gympie North ICE services, they told me the safety restrictions are related to the gap between the platforms and the ICE sets (different door types apparently), also the different braking setup it has compared to the normal surburban services.

What does that mean though, that they need to use the suburbans?  Should they then retire the ICEs and replace with IMUs?  I'm seeing a fair few reasons to.

Also, yeah I did ask whether it'd be better to just have Doomben-Roma St shuttle to replace the Cleveland-Doomben hourly service and move the Cleveland trains onto the Shorncliffe line after passing the city.  They said that they haven't started with planning stage 2 yet but would take that on board.

I think if they can't get a 15 minute service on the Doomben line, there's no point keeping it going IMO.