Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor Study

[Marshal]

Depends on how much you want to develop Jimboomba. Off the top of my head I don't think it's really earmarked for anything special, beyond the regular urban creep.

Personally, I dislike how our current corridors often create indirect routes to the city, like how the Cleveland line curves right around the coast. It adds time to the journey for anyone wanting to travel right through to the CBD. I think your (Gazza) initial idea of a Yarabilba branch and a flagstone branch works really well for this purpose, as both will have a very direct line to the CBD that also links them to Browns Plains, the a nearby secondary employment and commercial hub. A T intersection at Jimboomba still achieves this, but just ups the travel time for little gain in coverage (if any gain in coverage at all, you'd loose out on stations on the flanks like your first idea has.

Jimboomba may miss out on a direct rail link under that system, but they are far from warranting one as it is, so its a case of how you want Jimboomba to develop in the near future when a Beadesert line stops being a concept and becomes a more firm project.

[tazzer9]

Depends on how much you want to develop Jimboomba. Off the top of my head I don't think it's really earmarked for anything special, beyond the regular urban creep.

Personally, I dislike how our current corridors often create indirect routes to the city, like how the Cleveland line curves right around the coast. It adds time to the journey for anyone wanting to travel right through to the CBD. I think your (Gazza) initial idea of a Yarabilba branch and a flagstone branch works really well for this purpose, as both will have a very direct line to the CBD that also links them to Browns Plains, the a nearby secondary employment and commercial hub. A T intersection at Jimboomba still achieves this, but just ups the travel time for little gain in coverage (if any gain in coverage at all, you'd loose out on stations on the flanks like your first idea has.

Jimboomba may miss out on a direct rail link under that system, but they are far from warranting one as it is, so its a case of how you want Jimboomba to develop in the near future when a Beadesert line stops being a concept and becomes a more firm project.

The new corridors (GC, Springfield, kippa ring) don't do this.  The indirect nature just stems from history.  Railways needed to go where the industry was.   And having a slow curvatous nature with low grades meant cheaper construction, and 80 years ago, everything was slower than a train, it didn't really matter. 

The interstate line is ironically the only line in SEQ that is fast, make use of it where possible.

[SurfRail]

So this is how you might do rail lines to that part of Brisbane in the long term:

How about the Yarrabilba line coming off your other proposal for the M1 corridor?

You'd have 3 routes leaving Garden City / 8MP:

- Gold Coast line stopping Springwood, Loganholme, Yatala and then all stations (with Loganholme starters in peak)
- Kuraby and the legacy Beenleigh line with straightening around Trinder Park
- Line that branches with the Beenleigh line but keeps following the Gateway further south.

The advantage of this route is that you would reduce complexity around Park Road as you'd have 3 CRR routes (above) and 3 Merivale Bridge routes (Flagstone, Kuraby, Cleveland) with the 2 groups not actually touching each other operationally.

[tazzer9]

In addition to an M1 corridor line, have a 2nd CRR tunnel go to salisbury where it will surface.   Have GC trains use the M1 alignment.  Have beaudesert and beenleigh (current route) trains use the 2nd long CRR tunnel.   Have all stops Coopers plains services and maybe corinda via yeerongpilly services use the short CRR surfacing at park road.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> State looks to acquire land for new Beaudesert train line

THERE will be pain before any gain for residents living near a proposed passenger train line corridor which will run from Salisbury to Beaudesert.

Transport Department director rail and planning Matthias Schlotterbach told a Logan City Council committee the state needed to buy up land for the track as soon as possible.

However, he said the line was not due for completion before 2041 and was dependent on the state election and Cross River Rail approval.

Mr Schlotterbach said residents living on land needed for the track would be compensated and asked council to prepare those residents.

Eleven stations will be built along two new passenger tracks with lines running parallel to two privately-owned inland freight tracks owned by ARTC.

He said there would be land acquisitions as the corridor would have to be wide enough to accommodate four tracks side by side and the corridor was only 30m wide at the moment.

"In a draft impact assessment report, we have confirmed the land requirement for Acacia Ridge to Beaudesert in the current work we are doing," Mr Schlotterbach said.

"This is due for completion at the end of this quarter. Currently, the plan has been finalised and is with a technical working group for comment."

Logan City, ARTC, Brisbane City Council, Department of Transport and Scenic Rim were part of the group.

After comments from the working group, government approval would be needed before the design was put out to public consultation.

Division 11 councillor Trevina Schwarz said she was alarmed the completion date was pushed back to 2041 when original plans were for the line to be built by 2031. She also questioned why the state was not working closely with the private ATRC freight line project.

"I already have a community upset over the lack of engagement over the ARTC inland freight line so they will just get over that to be smacked with the DTMR plans for a passenger line."

Her sentiments were backed up by Division 7 councillor Laurie Smith who said he was "horrified" about the planned four-track width of the corridor and was surprised planning had been done years ago.

"People are going to be devastated at the impact of the planned four-track line now going past their properties where they have lived for 30 years."

Adequate car parking was another issue raised by Cr Cherie Dalley.

Land has already been set aside from Salisbury to Kagaru and from Veresdale to Beaudesert, but more land will be needed to connect Kagaru to Veresdale.

The existing rail lines between Salisbury and Kagaru and between Veresdale and Beaudesert are both single tracks without electrical service.

[BrizCommuter]

4 tracks? Seems a bit overkill unless the QLD loading gauge passenger tracks need to be separated from the NSW loading gauge freight tracks.

[Marshal]

I think that's the central idea. the inland rail is suppose to mean a big boost to freight traffic, and dual gauge requires trains to run slower then non-dual gauge doesn't it? I assume the freight wouldn't have to slow down for the stations too.

Better to do it now then need it later, especially with a good half the route having a fair bit of existing room for it.

[red dragin]

Platforms will also be an issue.

[mufreight]

Platforms will also be an issue.

Platforms are not an issue if they are on the common rail side, as for speeds on dual gauge 3'6" and 4'81/2" there is no impediment to running full speeds on either gauge unlike in Victoria where they restrict the maximum speed for the 5'3" on 5'3" and 4'81/2" dual gauge because of concerns that anything fouling between the sg rail and the bg rail could cause a derailment.

[SurfRail]

We should no longer be planning for freight to share track with passenger trains for any new routes.  There isn't any reason for it.

[verbatim9]

We should no longer be planning for freight to share track with passenger trains for any new routes.  There isn't any reason for it.

Except Sunshine Coast and Tooowoomba

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Properties would be resumed if the the proposed widening of the Salisbury and Beaudesert rail corridor goes ahead

PROPERTIES along the proposed widened rail corridor between Salisbury and Beaudesert would be resumed if the project goes ahead, according to the State Government.

Department of Transport director of rail and planning Matthias Schlotterbach confirmed the government needed to purchase land for the widening of the existing track and "secure" the corridor as soon as possible.

He said the track, which would run alongside the Federal Government's proposed inland freight line, would be about 30m wide.

Eleven stations would be built along two new passenger tracks, running parallel to two freight tracks.

"In a draft impact assessment report, we have confirmed the land requirement for Acacia Ridge to Beaudesert in the current work we are doing," Mr Schlotterbach said.

"This is due for completion at the end of this quarter."

Currently, the plan has been finalised and is with a technical working group for comment."

He said owners of properties which needed to be resumed would be compensated.

However Mr Schlotterback said the project would not go ahead without the Cross River Rail being approved.

A spokesman for the Deputy Premier Jackie Trad claimed the project was a "longer term priority" and "will be dependent on building Cross River Rail in order to unlock capacity on our rail network''.

"There is still significant work to be completed, including comprehensive community consultation and government approvals, before the corridor can be formally preserved,'' the spokesman said.

"We will ensure the community is extensively consulted throughout the process of planning any future rail corridor.''

Mr Schlotterback said it was his belief the line would be completed by 2041 but was unable to give a firm completion date.

Land has already been set aside from Salisbury to Kagaru and from Veresdale to Beaudesert, south of Brisbane.

The existing rail lines between Salisbury and Kagaru and between Veresdale and Beaudesert are both single tracks without electrical service.

Early Works on the Cross River Rail project have started. According to the official website work includes demolition of the Goprint building at Woolloongabba, and geotechnical work.

[ozbob]

Fairshare4Logan --> SALISBURY TO BEAUDESERT PASSENGER RAIL

Council has been advocating for the earlier delivery of the Salisbury to Beaudesert Passenger Rail, which will provide a critical public transport link for Logan's fast-growing south-western populations to employment, education and important services such as healthcare.

The new passenger line is expected to include six stations in the City of Logan:

Boronia Heights
Flagstone
Greenbank
Hillcrest
New Beith
Undullah

The next critical steps in this project need to be taken:  securing the corridor and the completion of the business case.

Council understands that completion of the Cross River Rail is critical to expanding the passenger network, including Salisbury to Beaudesert. Cross River Rail is due for completion in 2024 and has been funded by the Queensland Government, however there is no set delivery timeframes for the Salisbury to Beaudesert Passenger Service.

The delivery of public transport lags behind the rate of growth and is impacting the quality of life of Logan residents. Up to 120,000 people will be living in Greater Flagstone alone in coming decades, and provision of public transport now will help set commuter patterns and make it easier for residents and businesses to plan for the future.

Find out more:

Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor Study: https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Projects/Name/S/Salisbury-to-Beaudesert-Rail-Corridor-Study

Cross River Rail: https://www.crossriverrail.qld.gov.au/

We need:

Commitment to early delivery of the service
$8.5 million to acquire and secure the corridor
$6.5 million for the business case- this is a critical step in securing timely delivery of the service

Why it matters:

Early delivery of passenger rail will shape where and how people live and work, and encourage greater use of affordable and sustainable transport options, reducing the cost of living.
Up to 120,000 people will be living in the state-developed Greater Flagstone alone, in the next 30 years and they will need access to passenger rail services, as well others in our city's south-west.
The Salisbury to Beaudesert passenger rail service will provide residents with a choice of how they travel to and from their home and workplace.

What does it mean for you?

Improved access to public transport in the city's south-west
Reduced road congestion
Improved travel times, giving you more time to do the things you enjoy

[ozbob]

Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor Study

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Projects/Name/S/Salisbury-to-Beaudesert-Rail-Corridor-Study

This has been in limbo since 2010 or thereabouts ..

[ozbob]

Interesting fact.   

The original survey for a railway to Beaudesert was from Goodna.  It was decided that Bethania was a better option in the end.   Just thought I would share that, as I am certain you all wanted to know that ... 

Has a nice ring to it " Goodna Junction, change for Beaudesert and intermediate stations "   

The Queenslander  Sat 3 Sep 1881  Page 308  Railway Meeting.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/20709455

[timh]

Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor Study

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Projects/Name/S/Salisbury-to-Beaudesert-Rail-Corridor-Study

This has been in limbo since 2010 or thereabouts ..

My money's on this being one of the state gov's next big infrastructure projects after CRR. Very popular idea with the residents along the corridor. Residents have been pushing hard for it for ages and the introduction of Inland rail along the corridor has been a further catalyst for accelerating it. Once CRR we're closer to CRR opening I think we'll see announcements about construction of this (and GC line capacity upgrades, that's next on the list I reckon)

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1197193331610009600

[#Metro]

This rail line will consume billions of dollars, more in park and ride car parks due to ultra low density, have maybe 2 trains/hr in the off peak etc.

Let's put a tax on all land in that area to fund the rail line so that other priorities for the rail network like duplications can keep their funding pie.

[timh]

This rail line will consume billions of dollars, more in park and ride car parks due to ultra low density, have maybe 2 trains/hr in the off peak etc.

Let's put a tax on all land in that area to fund the rail line so that other priorities for the rail network like duplications can keep their funding pie.

Most of the stations are in fairly well developed suburban areas. Yes they're still very "Suburban" in that they're all single family dwellings, but Acacia Ridge, Algester, Hillcrest, Boronia Heights and Flagstone Stations are serving areas that are already quite built up, relatively speaking. New Beith and Greenbank Stations I find to be a questionable decision at this stage and would probably prefer that they are built at a later date, and added as infill later to match development as it arises.

Beyond Flagstone I think that entire section of the line should probably be a "Stage 2". There's basically nothing at the current proposed Undullah station site, and the other stations south of that are probably not going to get the patronage right now, so it would not offer a decent C2B. I suspect coming out of the business case that's the findings they'll present.

[kram0]

This rail line will consume billions of dollars, more in park and ride car parks due to ultra low density, have maybe 2 trains/hr in the off peak etc.

Let's put a tax on all land in that area to fund the rail line so that other priorities for the rail network like duplications can keep their funding pie.

Most of the stations are in fairly well developed suburban areas. Yes they're still very "Suburban" in that they're all single family dwellings, but Acacia Ridge, Algester, Hillcrest, Boronia Heights and Flagstone Stations are serving areas that are already quite built up, relatively speaking. New Beith and Greenbank Stations I find to be a questionable decision at this stage and would probably prefer that they are built at a later date, and added as infill later to match development as it arises.

Beyond Flagstone I think that entire section of the line should probably be a "Stage 2". There's basically nothing at the current proposed Undullah station site, and the other stations south of that are probably not going to get the patronage right now, so it would not offer a decent C2B. I suspect coming out of the business case that's the findings they'll present.

While I don't see it happening, it would be nice to see the line built long before the housing estates are. In 10-15 years, this area will be big and only getting bigger. Both Coles and Woolworth are opening up in these areas, and they generally have the finger on the pulse.

[Gazza]

The one I find strange are Gleneagle getting two stations.

Undullah could be infill, but I'd open with New Beith, and also Greenbank because it is such a crossroad.

However, my dream solution would be to not send it via Hillcrest, and get the line into the middle of Browns Plains somehow....For example tunnel under middle rd then follow the Mt Lindesay higway, then follow the logan motorway to rejoin the interstate rail corridor at parkinson.

See what the Joondalup line does at Joondalup: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Joondalup+WA+6027/@-31.7461604,115.7586527,3099m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x2bcd53686d920249:0x504f0b535df47a0!8m2!3d-31.7339218!4d115.7657296

The less idea solution is a spur to Browns Plains and a tiered service, but i can hear #metros tears already.

[timh]

The one I find strange are Gleneagle getting two stations.

Undullah could be infill, but I'd open with New Beith, and also Greenbank because it is such a crossroad.

However, my dream solution would be to not send it via Hillcrest, and get the line into the middle of Browns Plains somehow....For example tunnel under middle rd then follow the Mt Lindesay higway, then follow the logan motorway to rejoin the interstate rail corridor at parkinson.

See what the Joondalup line does at Joondalup: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Joondalup+WA+6027/@-31.7461604,115.7586527,3099m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x2bcd53686d920249:0x504f0b535df47a0!8m2!3d-31.7339218!4d115.7657296

The less idea solution is a spur to Browns Plains and a tiered service, but i can hear #metros tears already.

Browns Plains is being served by some sort of BRT between Grand Plaza and the SE Busway, considering the success of the BUZ routes along that path. It's a longer term solution but doing some sort of bus priority measures along Mains road/Beaudesert road in the short term could work.

I know the rail line going there makes a lot of sense considering it's such a "town centre" already but from what I've read bus priority is the government's go-to for that corridor

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[Gazza]

I think its dumb though, it's entrenching bus dependency, and nobody wants to make a 20km bus journey if they have a choice, and rail would reduce the journey time by 10-15 mins.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> $20m for passenger rail plans through parts of Logan

A PEACE deal between the state and federal governments has included $20 million in joint funding to kick start a business case on the much-anticipated Salisbury to Beaudesert passenger rail line.

The passenger train line will run through some Logan suburbs with 11 new stations proposed at Acacia Ridge, Algester, Beaudesert, Boronia Heights, Flagstone, Gleneagle, Gleneagle North, Greenbank, Hillcrest, New Beith and Undullah.

The business plan would investigate building two electrified narrow-gauge passenger tracks from Salisbury to Beaudesert and two dual-gauge freight tracks between Acacia Ridge and Kagaru.

Algester MP Leeanne Enoch said this week's federal-state deal was good news for residents and a business plan was the next logical step in getting a passenger line.

"I'm pleased to see that under the terms of the deal announced today, our community has had a major win on this matter," she said.

"I've always said in relation to Inland Rail that the Australian government, as a minimum, should agree to not increase the existing line's freight capacity, including allowing coal trains, until a future passenger train upgrade is initiated.

"It'll mean the state government can get on with the job of connecting the community to services, schools and jobs by train once Cross River Rail is completed.

"It will help optimise how the existing interstate track is used and hopefully allow for a shared pedestrian and cycle track along much of the corridor."

There was also scope for maintenance access roads and stabling facilities at Greenbank, Flagstone and Gleneagle North.

The Inland Rail project is an initiative of the federal government and is being delivered by the Australian Rail Track Corporation.

Queensland's agreement for Inland Rail is subject to conditions which included local feedback.

Ms Enoch said Transport Minister Mark Bailey said the Transport Department and Queensland Rail would work with ARTC to consult residents.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1198043377352077312

[James]

The less idea solution is a spur to Browns Plains and a tiered service, but i can hear #metros tears already.

One option would be a BUZ-level feeder between Browns Plains Plaza and Hillcrest station. It is only 2.5km, Class B ROW (like the transitways) might be able to bridge the gap in a time-effective manner?

I imagine with the corridor already reserved and the track already laid, the State Government would be looking to use this corridor as an 'easy win' costing ~$300-500m for the entire route. A diversion to Browns Plains would add somewhere between 50-100% to that cost, not to mention lengthen & slow the alignment.

I can see this rail line relying very heavily on feeder routes heading East - West due to a lack (or absence) of walk-up patronage to the west along much of the alignment.

[#Metro]

Bad alignment.

Better option is to extend busway at surface or grade separated straight down mains road to Browns Plains.

[Gazza]

One option would be a BUZ-level feeder between Browns Plains Plaza and Hillcrest station. It is only 2.5km, Class B ROW (like the transitways) might be able to bridge the gap in a time-effective manner?

Yeah, I'd probably just extend the 140 or 150 to a new station.

[Gazza]

Bad alignment.

Better option is to extend busway at surface or grade separated straight down mains road to Browns Plains.

Is it though? the busway has a lot of tight turns entering the CBD and buses can legally only go 60 to 80 kmh on mains rd.

A train can go at least 100kmh between stations, and enters the CBD smoothly via CRR.

[SurfRail]

I suspect the Flagstone trains won't be using CRR, there won't be enough capacity.  The indicative servicing is Gold Coast (south of Beenleigh) and Beenleigh (south of Salisbury) via CRR, Cleveland line and Salisbury to Dutton Park via South Bank, with Salisbury extended towards Flagstone over time.  They could probably get Acacia Ridge done with minimum fuss and work towards south of there.

[#Metro]

A bus can run at 100 km/hr along a mains rd alignment if the busway is built that way.

Also can fire rockets into the CBD from Browns Plains.

The off peak frequency will also be better. They will probably run 2 trains/hr in the off peak.

[HappyTrainGuy]

BT buses are all speed limited to 90kph.

[James]

A bus can run at 100 km/hr along a mains rd alignment if the busway is built that way.

Also can fire rockets into the CBD from Browns Plains.

The off peak frequency will also be better. They will probably run 2 trains/hr in the off peak.

As HTG pointed out, BT buses are limited to 90km/h. Further still though, unless you build a Class A Busway - requiring resumptions all the way from the Klumpp Road off-ramp to Browns Plains - you will be limited to the existing geometry of the current road reserve (probably around 70km/h).

Just because the current train operator is mediocre, it isn't a reason to oppose any new train lines being built full stop. That's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy.

[verbatim9]

A bus can run at 100 km/hr along a mains rd alignment if the busway is built that way.

Also can fire rockets into the CBD from Browns Plains.

The off peak frequency will also be better. They will probably run 2 trains/hr in the off peak.

As HTG pointed out, BT buses are limited to 90km/h. Further still though, unless you build a Class A Busway - requiring resumptions all the way from the Klumpp Road off-ramp to Browns Plains - you will be limited to the existing geometry of the current road reserve (probably around 70km/h).

Just because the current train operator is mediocre, it isn't a reason to oppose any new train lines being built full stop. That's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy.

^^By the time this line gets built they will be no doubt that there will be a new train operator.

[#Metro]

Will they even have enough trains & staff to operate a service?

Will it be skeleton-only service only outside of peak hour?

Why are homes even being built that far from any infrastructure?

[ozbob]

[kram0]

I found these maps online. Apologies if they have been posted previously .

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/_/media/files/projects/salisbury-to-beaudesert/s2b-project-plan.jpg

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/_/media/files/projects/salisbury-to-beaudesert/s2b-corridor.png

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/projects/salisbury-to-beaudesert-rail-corridor-study

[ozbob]

https://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-02/IFA_301237_2021%20Infrastructure%20Priority%20List%20FA2%20Navigable%20WEB%20Flat%20EXT%20FINAL.pdf

2021 Infrastructure Priority List Page 174

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Left in limbo: maps prompt call for passenger train corridor details

Hundreds of southside residents will be left in limbo for another two years before they find out if their homes will be bulldozed to make way for a passenger and freight rail corridor.

The state government's Transport Department said details of land resumptions would not be available until December 2022 when a business case was completed for the proposed Salisbury to Beaudesert passenger line.

Maps published last month as part of the South East Queensland Regional Transport Plan 2021 fanned fears for residents in suburbs including Flagstone, Forestdale, Hillcrest, Boronia Height, Parkinson, Greenbank, New Beith and Algester.

Other maps from a Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor Study, fail to list streets and addresses, but show the train corridor could be wider than 30m to 40m.

The $20 million federal and state study is designed to gauge future passenger and community needs for emerging suburbs such as Flagstone and ensure the passenger line fits with the broader rail network, including Inland Rail and Cross River Rail. ...

[verbatim9]

Moorooka News---> Southside Residents Worry Over New Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor

Residents of Brisbane's southside are currently in a state of fear and unease as they worry over their homes being bulldozed to make way for a new passenger and freight rail corridor that stretches all the way from Salisbury to Beaudesert.

Details concerning the creation of this rail corridor will not be available until December 2022.  However, the maps released to the public in March 2021 show that the corridor will cut through existing residences.