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Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« on: September 22, 2010, 12:43:11 AM »
Of all the feeder buses inside the Brisbane City Council area, none of them begin with a '2'. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4357.0
Which means (AIUI) there are no feeders to rail in this area or Brisbane's Eastern Suburbs.

Putting a BUZ to Bulimba might be an option to improve PT, but would compete with and duplicate both the rail line and the CityCat service.
One alternative would be to connect everything up with a hybrid local-crosstown service that links up everything that is already there, but just much better. It is a bit like the 198 West End service.

I thought this one up at the rail station, while I was waiting another half hour for my train!  :pr
Hopefully some good can come out of such a huge wait for supposedly 'world class' rail transport!



Links up three rail stations (Morningside, Murrarie and Cannon Hill)
Links up with three ferry stops (Hawthorne, Bulimba and Apollo Road)
Closer integration with Wynnum road services (e.g. Portside and New Farm will be easy to transfer to from Wynnum Road)
Links to CityGlider and 199 via Teneriffe Ferry

AIUI there is no proper bus interchange at Morningside. Buses could run every 15 minutes all day.
Buses should run both ways. Increased rail frequency will be required for it to work properly, otherwise timed interchange at Morningside only...
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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 11:42:35 AM »
I can't see your map on my current internet connection, so I may have to edit this later, but for the love of God, no.

What Bulimba/Balmoral needs is full time 231 & 236 via Storey Bridge service, perhaps with a "232" cross town service via South Bank.

BUZification of the 231 & 236 would be nice too.  The 230/P231 serve the ferry terminal

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 01:44:54 PM »
Yes this is a bit 'dreaming'.  :)

I thought about a BUZ, and that could still go ahead whether the feeder system goes ahead or not.
I just didn't think the BUZ was a good idea seeing that both the existing ferry service and the train
line already do this job (although the train is nowhere near as frequent :( )

If there was a BUZ (not against the idea, actually a frequent surface route on Riding/Thynne Rd would be good), IMHO there isn't very good transport for people to get around the suburb- people who just want to go home from the train, or the ferry or skip over to Portside cinemas or Oxford St for a movie or Newstead for restaurants or go shopping at Cannon Hill.

 ???

Edit:
There is Route 232 but this is is greatly reduced on weekend (hourly?) and nothing on sunday, will look at it tonight.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 01:52:04 PM by tramtrain »
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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 02:02:42 PM »
The last bus

Weekday: 232 from Cannon Hill at 6:25 pm
Saturday: 227 from Cannon Hill at 6:34 pm
Sunday 227 from Cannon Hill at 5:34 pm

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 02:07:03 PM »
The 235/236 actually go to the Apollo Rd CityCat ferry wharf.  The main problem with that is that the CityCat doesn't serve Teneriffe, which effectively means you must stay on the ferry to Riverside.  Transfers to the CityGlider would be better IMO.  But I could be wrong.

Not sure where the shopping in Bulimba actually is.  All street shops?

Apparently the residents have fought to keep the 232 route, but I wonder if it was re-routed via South Bank with the 231 & 236 routes becoming full time instead of the 230 & 235, if they would be against that?  Seems to be a winner for most possible trips.

BTW, 227 doesn't serve Bulimba IIRC.

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 02:32:29 PM »
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Not sure where the shopping in Bulimba actually is.  All street shops?

 :) I meant Cannon Hill.

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 03:52:55 PM »
Yeah, Bulimba is all street shops along Oxford St.

From what I've heard the 232 does get quite heavy loads at times.  Wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly the oldies using it.

EDIT: Pendantic I know, but if you were going to create full time 231/236 story bridge routes, then I'd renumber them to 230/235, in line with Brisbane's geographical numbering system guidelines that planners use.  Again, I know, pendantic, but I learnt from the guy who created the 1xx, 2xx, 3xx, 4xx numbering system we have today and I can hear him saying that as I type this.
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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 12:11:35 AM »
STB, a question. What about through routes?
What do you do there? If Brisbane were to get more through-routes on the busway?
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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 09:53:22 AM »
EDIT: Pendantic I know, but if you were going to create full time 231/236 story bridge routes, then I'd renumber them to 230/235, in line with Brisbane's geographical numbering system guidelines that planners use.  Again, I know, pendantic, but I learnt from the guy who created the 1xx, 2xx, 3xx, 4xx numbering system we have today and I can hear him saying that as I type this.
I'd prefer that too.

Did you ever tell him that the 1xx area is too large and the boundary between the 1xx and 2xx is somewhat strange?

3xx area is somewhat large too, but at least that has a reasonably logical boundary.

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2010, 09:43:31 PM »
STB, a question. What about through routes?
What do you do there? If Brisbane were to get more through-routes on the busway?

In theory through routes are fine as long as there is plenty of fat in the timetable with recovery dwells (such as route 250 and it's recovery dwell at Capalaba and routes 598/599 with their recovery dwells out at the shopping centres) and that there is bus prioity measures in place, such as busways or a bus lane.

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2010, 09:46:05 PM »
EDIT: Pendantic I know, but if you were going to create full time 231/236 story bridge routes, then I'd renumber them to 230/235, in line with Brisbane's geographical numbering system guidelines that planners use.  Again, I know, pendantic, but I learnt from the guy who created the 1xx, 2xx, 3xx, 4xx numbering system we have today and I can hear him saying that as I type this.
I'd prefer that too.

Did you ever tell him that the 1xx area is too large and the boundary between the 1xx and 2xx is somewhat strange?

3xx area is somewhat large too, but at least that has a reasonably logical boundary.

The boundaries are basically from Inala through to Wishart it's 1xx (Brisbane South), Wishart through to Carindale/Redland Bay through to Cannon Hill/Wynnum is 2xx (Brisbane East/Eastern Region), north of the Brisbane River through to Moggill Rd and north to Sandgate is the 3xx area (Brisbane North), and 4xx is the remaining area (Brisbane West).  Think of it like a pie cut into quarters, not exact but near enough.

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2010, 09:56:39 PM »
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In theory through routes are fine as long as there is plenty of fat in the timetable with recovery dwells (such as route 250 and it's recovery dwell at Capalaba and routes 598/599 with their recovery dwells out at the shopping centres) and that there is bus prioity measures in place, such as busways or a bus lane.

Oh, I think my question should have been worded better. I meant, what do you do with the numbering if half the bus in in the southern zone and the other half is in the northern zone (like a 160 + 66 service).
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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2010, 10:14:14 PM »
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In theory through routes are fine as long as there is plenty of fat in the timetable with recovery dwells (such as route 250 and it's recovery dwell at Capalaba and routes 598/599 with their recovery dwells out at the shopping centres) and that there is bus prioity measures in place, such as busways or a bus lane.

Oh, I think my question should have been worded better. I meant, what do you do with the numbering if half the bus in in the southern zone and the other half is in the northern zone (like a 160 + 66 service).

If they were to run through to the city then continue out of the city to another destination then I would simply use the 2 digit numbers rather than use the 3 digit numbering system as currently occurs (route 66 and route 77).

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 09:50:05 AM »
In theory through routes are fine as long as there is plenty of fat in the timetable with recovery dwells (such as route 250 and it's recovery dwell at Capalaba and routes 598/599 with their recovery dwells out at the shopping centres) and that there is bus prioity measures in place, such as busways or a bus lane.
Not a big fan of recovery dwells mid-route.  Necessary for the great circle, of course.  But for the 250 it would be a bit annoying to have to wait at Capalaba because you are on time (not early).

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Re: Bulimba-Cannon Hill BRT feeder
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 01:28:50 PM »
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Not a big fan of recovery dwells mid-route.  Necessary for the great circle, of course.  But for the 250 it would be a bit annoying to have to wait at Capalaba because you are on time (not early).

To be honest, it is probably just easier to change. The services are so frequent anyway.
66 + 109 or 66+ 160 are worth looking at though.
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