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The idiot has been bailed.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-13/man-bailed-after-alleged-racial-abuse-of-brisbane-train-guard/5809388

QuoteMan accused of racial abuse of Brisbane train security guard bailed

Updated
A man accused of racially abusing a security guard on a Brisbane train has been released on bail.

A man accused of racially abusing a security guard on a Brisbane train has been released on conditional bail.

Abdel-Kader Russel-Boumzar, 17, faced Brisbane Magistrates Court this morning charged with numerous offences, including assault occasioning bodily harm, creating a nuisance on a railway and threatening violence.

Russel-Boumzar's bail conditions include a strict night-time curfew and parental supervision outside his workplace.

He and co-accused Bailey Clout handed themselves into police on Sunday after uploading footage of the incident on social media.

The video shows a man racially abusing an African security guard on a train at Indooroopilly in Brisbane's inner west on October 2.

Clout, 18, has yet to face court.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Queensland Premier Campbell Newman yesterday condemned the incident.

Mr Abbott called the man caught on tape "un-Australian", while Mr Newman said the behaviour was "totally unacceptable".

darthcaligula666

Quote from: STB on October 13, 2014, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: darthcaligula666 on October 12, 2014, 20:48:42 PM
that is even worse, to do something like that in a work uniform. he will surely lose the job after that. i know if i were his boss i would be dismissing him because he was a bad reflection on my business. people who engage in this kind of behaviour may come out and say they are sorry, but. the damage is done, and they are omly sorry thue got caught. being drunk isnt an excuse for treating another human in that way. epic respect for joe, i hope he gets a pay rise.

One of his friends posted on a Facebook page that was set up to find him, who basically said that he's now lost his job, kicked out of home and has lost some of his friends from that incident, now sitting in a cell questioning why he did what he did.  If that's the case, I'm pleased.

I'm also pleased just to see how powerful social media is, you really cannot get away with it nowadays with camera phones, Facebook and the power of social media and community.

Well done to all involved, including Joe the Security Guard.  :clp:

i am indeed happy to hear that too! rightly so; he deserves all he gets. there are consequences for your actions, and if you are foolish enough to film yourself performing irresponsibly in public, and then stupid enough to upload it to social media, then im sorry, but you deserve all you get. no sympathy to them at all from me. much respect to joe the guard though, and if i see him during my travels i will make sure i say hi and give him some support. the guards generally do a fantastic job, and as we are often on the train late at night on one of the dodgy lines (ipswich funnily enough) then i am glad to have him patrolling my train. i havent felt unsafe on a train yet, but i know karen has when i havent been there (more so because of safety in numbers, i am hardly a big and intimidating figure, though i can handle myself if it comes to it). she is always grateful to have the guards and police walking up and down the aisles. she has seen some pretty messed up things late at night on her own where she has wished for the guards to be present. their sheer presence means so much to so many (particularly women) who catch the train late at night on their own.

hopefully the culprit can sit in a cell on his own, sans social media, long enough to rethink his life ad learn a valuable lesson from this. intoxicated or not (and at 17, he shouldnt have been in the first place) there is no excuse for that sort of behaviour.

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i think joe has made a really important point here. this is indeed a refelction on how the kids of today are raised. our mother and father would slam us if we didnt show respect to our elders, or of we used bad language. many a wooden spoon was broken on bae bottoms and the backs of legs for veryminor offences that to our parents, were unaccepitble. it seemed to work though, we both turned out ok. it really is a shame that child discipline is no longer deemed acceptible, as i am sure im not alone in thinking it is likely to be a contributing factor in the way the youth of today behave as though they are above the law, as they have never had punishments for their poor actions. they have an automatic disrespect for suthority because authority cant do anything.

i stand by my previous posts, huge respect to joe, and i hope the justice system sees this idiot receive a penalty fit for the crime, and not just a slap on the wrist (or bottom or back of legs) but something befitting the crime, so it sends a message that this sort of behaviour isnt tolerated in australia.

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Quote from: darthcaligula666 on October 14, 2014, 09:02:42 AM
i think joe has made a really important point here. this is indeed a refelction on how the kids of today are raised. our mother and father would slam us if we didnt show respect to our elders, or of we used bad language. many a wooden spoon was broken on bae bottoms and the backs of legs for very minor offences that to our parents, were unaccepitble. it seemed to work though, we both turned out ok. it really is a shame that child discipline is no longer deemed acceptible, as i am sure im not alone in thinking it is likely to be a contributing factor in the way the youth of today behave as though they are above the law, as they have never had punishments for their poor actions. they have an automatic disrespect for suthority because authority cant do anything.

I don't agree that it's a problem with "the kids of today". If you look at actual evidence, overall this generation of kids and teenagers is less violent, less prone to crime, less racist, less sexist and better educated than any that has come before. Before we harken to the good old days, remember that it was within the lifetime of many posting here that Mr Mkhwananzi (who I agree deserves commendation for the exemplary and professional way he acted) would not have been legally able to be in Australia or to be in a position with any authority. The vile behavior the young lout displayed was so shocking because of how rare and unusual it is these days. Ask someone non-white how safe they would have felt on a train fifty or a hundred years ago and I think you would find it is much better today.

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im with darth and guard joe.......a lot of it has to do with upbringing and how much TIME the parents of today spend with thier kids and teaching them basic ethics...specifically what NOT to do...

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Quote from: OzGamer on October 14, 2014, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: darthcaligula666 on October 14, 2014, 09:02:42 AM
i think joe has made a really important point here. this is indeed a refelction on how the kids of today are raised. our mother and father would slam us if we didnt show respect to our elders, or of we used bad language. many a wooden spoon was broken on bae bottoms and the backs of legs for very minor offences that to our parents, were unaccepitble. it seemed to work though, we both turned out ok. it really is a shame that child discipline is no longer deemed acceptible, as i am sure im not alone in thinking it is likely to be a contributing factor in the way the youth of today behave as though they are above the law, as they have never had punishments for their poor actions. they have an automatic disrespect for suthority because authority cant do anything.

I don't agree that it's a problem with "the kids of today". If you look at actual evidence, overall this generation of kids and teenagers is less violent, less prone to crime, less racist, less sexist and better educated than any that has come before. Before we harken to the good old days, remember that it was within the lifetime of many posting here that Mr Mkhwananzi (who I agree deserves commendation for the exemplary and professional way he acted) would not have been legally able to be in Australia or to be in a position with any authority. The vile behavior the young lout displayed was so shocking because of how rare and unusual it is these days. Ask someone non-white how safe they would have felt on a train fifty or a hundred years ago and I think you would find it is much better today.

im sad to say mate it isnt that rare on our train line. the things i have seen/heard are far too vile for my blog.

recently one morning as we got to dinmore for our 5:37 train, a teenage girl of about 14 was hurling four lettered abuse at commuters as they got out of their cars and approached the station. the language was a disgrace. i am sure most of us have sworn in public in our lives, but this was something else. karen was terrified and she is a 6 foot tall intimidating looking lady. i grew up in inner sydney, so i am not afraid of small punks like this who are all talk and very little action. i asked her if there was a problem, and she continued hurling abuse (best not repeated, but you can probably guess). i asked her if she owned any shoes, and knew any words longer than four letters. she got up and decided to come after us with mobile abuse as opposed to stationary abuse (progressing to longer words, but of a similar nature). this was only a week or two ago. she was all talk, no action because she was too lazy to follow us up the stairs and over the footbridge to platform 2. karen was worried the car would be vandalised, as the girl headed to the car park as our train came. i found out the next day that the police turned up to take her away a few minutes after our train arrived. she was apparently a run away. i dont know what sort of future a child like that has.

karen had an incident when she was traveling inbound on her own one morning and a girl was flicking a lighter in the train. karen asked her to stop, and the girl hurled racist abuse at her before leaving the carriage, with her lighter.

on the recent public holiday on monday the 6th i was at ipswich station in the afternoon waiting for a rosewood train and some young children were waiting also. they asked which platform the rosewood was leaving from, and at what time. i dont even know if they were old enough to read the information displays. i told them, and they appeared to wait patiently. one suggested to the other that they could probably walk home, and they had a small arguement, which quickly escalated into a four letter slanging match. i asked them how old they were, and i am embarrassed to put it here in case anyone may know these children, but they were <10years old by a fair bit. how children this young learn such language can only come from 2 places; home or school. (i am including televison in home here). it is a disgrace.

i had a lovely young lady of indigenous descent get on the train one morning when i was heading inbound for a later lab class, and she got on at goodna in the quite carriage while i was studying. she was on her phone, and loud as anything, walked past me and said so that it could be heard from the international space station "i f**king hate while c**ts" as she kept walking through the train. it was said with venom that would make an eastern brown snake applaud.

i could go on, but i am highlighting that it isnt as isolated as it may appear.

there was that older woman recently filmed who attacked a young asian girl who was with her boyfriend on the train. she called it sad that he didnt have a white girlfriend and she mocked the girls eyes. i think that incident, the recent indooroopilly incident and all of the others that go on daily which are unreported as not actually isolated. perhaps this one is isolated in its vulgarity and the stupidity that it was filmed, but if you travel on the ipswich line late at night like we do, you do get used to seeing and hearing this sort of thing. karen has been offered alcohol a few times, she saw a person steal anothers phone and reported it to a guard, she also saw the rather bizarre incident of a guy stripping down naked and running up and down the carriage late one night.

i was on the beenleigh line last friday night (not overly late though) and it was completely incident free, almost to the point of being boring because there was nothing strange happening like we are use to on the ipswich line. it is a shame traveling on the train brings out the worst of human behaviour in so many. the sooner they realise there are consequences for their actions, the better. i do think this is a society problem, with no quick fix.

Quote from: techblitz on October 14, 2014, 11:14:50 AM
im with darth and guard joe.......a lot of it has to do with upbringing and how much TIME the parents of today spend with thier kids and teaching them basic ethics...specifically what NOT to do...

i agree 100% mate. our parents worked a heck of a lot because they wanted to give us things they couldnt. we were essentially raised by our grandparents, and if you didnt say please, thankyou, and be respectful you were in trouble. it was always thankyou grandmother, please grandfather; and if you didnt do your chores my god did you cop it. i dont think this is isolated to jewish families. i think you are right techblitz, it has a lot to do with the time spent with the child/ren. even in pharmacies i have worked at or done placement in, you see the habits forming early with the parents and children. there are more and more prescriptions being written for more and more mental health drugs (not just the add/adhd drugs, many of which i have used) but it appears that historically we had a narrowed view of mental health which has now widened significantly. the diagnostic statistical manual 5 (dsmv) is so much fatter than previous editions, and i have a theory that we are creating more and more medical conditions to capture more and more people into these conditions simply to make it easier for us to manage as a society. the parents are too busy to spend time with the child. it misbehaves to get attention. take it to the doctor, give it dexamphetamine or methylphenidate. i know that is an extreme example, but it is something i have noticed a lot. in case it isnt obvious from my blog, i dont actually like drugs, and i dont believe they are the key to everything.

techblitz, you are spot on the money. if more time was spent with the kids, and they learned values and learned respect, i think this society could be a lot better. they dont know right from wrong because they arent taught, and there arent the consequences for poor action choices that there were when i was just starting school. a paradigm shift is most certainly needed; i cant see it happening, but it is nice to dream.

petey3801

Quote from: OzGamer on October 14, 2014, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: darthcaligula666 on October 14, 2014, 09:02:42 AM
i think joe has made a really important point here. this is indeed a refelction on how the kids of today are raised. our mother and father would slam us if we didnt show respect to our elders, or of we used bad language. many a wooden spoon was broken on bae bottoms and the backs of legs for very minor offences that to our parents, were unaccepitble. it seemed to work though, we both turned out ok. it really is a shame that child discipline is no longer deemed acceptible, as i am sure im not alone in thinking it is likely to be a contributing factor in the way the youth of today behave as though they are above the law, as they have never had punishments for their poor actions. they have an automatic disrespect for suthority because authority cant do anything.

I don't agree that it's a problem with "the kids of today". If you look at actual evidence, overall this generation of kids and teenagers is less violent, less prone to crime, less racist, less sexist and better educated than any that has come before. Before we harken to the good old days, remember that it was within the lifetime of many posting here that Mr Mkhwananzi (who I agree deserves commendation for the exemplary and professional way he acted) would not have been legally able to be in Australia or to be in a position with any authority. The vile behavior the young lout displayed was so shocking because of how rare and unusual it is these days. Ask someone non-white how safe they would have felt on a train fifty or a hundred years ago and I think you would find it is much better today.

You honestly think that sort of behaviour is rare now? You obviously don't spend much time on the trains outside of peak. Particularly on weekends and at night. This type of behaviour is in no way rare on the rail network.
Edit: It is also in no way confined to certain lines, either. Beenleigh is one of the worst for it, Ipswich a fairly close second. But all lines have these problems to a certain extent.
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red dragin

We wonder how our son will go when he grows up (3 now).

We work hard on his manners, which pays off (well when there are witnesses anyway  :-r) Simply counting down to zero (starting at a different number depending on the level of naughtiness) gets him moving.

How is he going to go when he has to deal with kids like this as adults? His cousin already knows several four letter words at four yes old (cause his father is a d*ckhead - even my wife says that about him and it's her brother)

Many kids today have friends and not parents, to me that is the problem.

OzGamer

Quote from: petey3801 on October 14, 2014, 13:13:55 PM
You honestly think that sort of behaviour is rare now? You obviously don't spend much time on the trains outside of peak. Particularly on weekends and at night. This type of behaviour is in no way rare on the rail network.
Edit: It is also in no way confined to certain lines, either. Beenleigh is one of the worst for it, Ipswich a fairly close second. But all lines have these problems to a certain extent.

I'm not saying it's rare - I'm saying it's rarer than it used to be (I'm also not making any comment about particular lines or parts of the city). Confirmation bias makes us aware of the things that we see day to day that reinforce our preconceptions but miss those that don't. The fact is that any time the evidence is studied rigorously it is clear that for a couple of hundred years every generation has been less antisocial and violent than the one that came before.

For example, if racist slurs were directed at a non-white person fifty or more years ago it would have been unremarkable and not commented upon. The fact that it is so widely condemned now is a sign of how much better things are overall.

Anyway - this is a side issue. I think everyone agrees that the behavior shown in that video was totally unacceptable and everyone is glad that that particularly level-headed security guard was the one dealing with it.

ozbob

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Quote from: petey3801 on October 14, 2014, 13:13:55 PM
Quote from: OzGamer on October 14, 2014, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: darthcaligula666 on October 14, 2014, 09:02:42 AM
i think joe has made a really important point here. this is indeed a refelction on how the kids of today are raised. our mother and father would slam us if we didnt show respect to our elders, or of we used bad language. many a wooden spoon was broken on bae bottoms and the backs of legs for very minor offences that to our parents, were unaccepitble. it seemed to work though, we both turned out ok. it really is a shame that child discipline is no longer deemed acceptible, as i am sure im not alone in thinking it is likely to be a contributing factor in the way the youth of today behave as though they are above the law, as they have never had punishments for their poor actions. they have an automatic disrespect for suthority because authority cant do anything.

I don't agree that it's a problem with "the kids of today". If you look at actual evidence, overall this generation of kids and teenagers is less violent, less prone to crime, less racist, less sexist and better educated than any that has come before. Before we harken to the good old days, remember that it was within the lifetime of many posting here that Mr Mkhwananzi (who I agree deserves commendation for the exemplary and professional way he acted) would not have been legally able to be in Australia or to be in a position with any authority. The vile behavior the young lout displayed was so shocking because of how rare and unusual it is these days. Ask someone non-white how safe they would have felt on a train fifty or a hundred years ago and I think you would find it is much better today.

You honestly think that sort of behaviour is rare now? You obviously don't spend much time on the trains outside of peak. Particularly on weekends and at night. This type of behaviour is in no way rare on the rail network.
Edit: It is also in no way confined to certain lines, either. Beenleigh is one of the worst for it, Ipswich a fairly close second. But all lines have these problems to a certain extent.

Too true. And it's always different people from the same certain stations too :P

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Attorney-General and Minister for Justice
The Honourable Jarrod Bleijie

Attorney-General orders bus assault appeal

Attorney-General and Minister for Justice Jarrod Bleijie will appeal the sentence of a 21-year-old woman who assaulted a man on a Gold Coast bus.

Larna Janet Watmough was sentenced to two months' jail, wholly suspended, and 12 months' probation in the Southport Magistrates Court after she assaulted a 77-year-old vision impaired man while they were riding on the bus.

The Attorney-General's appeal is on the grounds that the sentence is manifestly inadequate and the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions will act on his behalf in the District Court.

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Quote from: ozbob on October 15, 2014, 10:44:51 AM
Brisbanetimes --> Posting train guards' locations is unsafe: Minister

Minister Emerson is evidently confused over the difference between the nighttime contracted Security Officers and the Senior Network Officers, of which that page targets in formal protest over the high fares and the botched implementation of the TTCC.

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OzGamer is 100% correct.

Conservatives love to be pessimistic and believe that the world is coming to an end but the reality is that the world is a much safer place now than it ever has been.

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7 News

Brisbane's most dangerous bus routes revealed

Brisbane buses have been at the centre of more than 10,000 violent incidents over the last three years. Katrina Blowers reports.

Also BT patronage fall confirmed around 3 million or ~3.8% (2013/14) - fare and network fail biting ..

Most dangerous routes: 150, 199, 130

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/video/watch/25305043/brisbane-s-most-dangerous-bus-routes-revealed/


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Love the route maps. Must be using our BCC route model ;)
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Quote from: LD Transit on October 21, 2014, 17:38:02 PMLove the route maps. Must be using our BCC route model ;)

Hate to be a party pooper, I think they're just taken from the BCC website (without the stop icons - can be accessed by choosing route at a time when no service is available).
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

ozbob

7 News

Communication blackout

Bus drivers say safety on board is being put at risk with crucial emergency equipment failing during violent incidents. Katrina Blowers reports.


>> https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/25314811/communication-blackout

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What a sad response from Lord Mayor Quirk ... blame the drivers!  Oh. dear.
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It is managerial minutae like this BCC could do without if it separated BT from BCC.
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The Australian --> Qld to boost security on public transport

QuoteA PLAN to boost security on Queensland's public transport network is not linked to the G20 or Australia's heightened terror threat level, the state government says.

PREMIER Campbell Newman and Transport Minister Scott Emerson are due to make an announcement about public transport security on Monday afternoon.
A spokesman for Mr Emerson says it's about cracking down on anti-social behaviour and fare evasion, and is unrelated to next month's G20 meeting or the high terror threat level.
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Minister for Transport and Main Roads
The Honourable Scott Emerson

Extra safety boost for transport network

More Senior Network Officers will patrol south-east Queensland's public transport network as part of the Newman Government's plan to keep Queenslanders safe.

Premier Campbell Newman and Transport and Main Roads Minister Scott Emerson announced the first of 18 new Senior Network Officers will be trained and deployed on the network by the end of the year.

"Our Government is working hard to revitalise front line services to ensure Queenslanders are safer and more secure," Mr Newman said.

"By delivering a more efficient public transport network, we are able to invest in more security and safety for passengers.

"Last year we promised to double the number of officers on the network – a commitment we achieved. Today we are announcing an additional boost to bring the team to 70 officers.

"The new recruits are part of our strong plan to make this state the safest place to live, travel and raise a family."

Mr Emerson said the number of bus driver assaults across the south-east Queensland network had decreased by 23 per cent since the LNP came to office.

"Through our proactive approach, we have cracked down on anti-social behaviour across public transport by conducting blitzes and increasing the number of Senior Network Officers," Mr Emerson said.

"Senior Network Officers are highly trained in de-escalation techniques and have extended powers which include the authority to detain and search people where necessary."

Senior Network Officers undertake an intensive eight-week training course prior to deployment covering legislative powers, tactical and physical training and conflict management as well as personal criminal history checks, psychometric testing, and a medical and mental fitness examination.

Senior Network Officers join the Police Railway Squad, busway safety officers, mobile dog patrols and contracted security guards to deter anti-social behaviour across the network. In addition, there are more than 8000 CCTV cameras and a dedicated 24-hour security monitoring facility.

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How many TTOs have been phased out this year?  Same number as SNOs introduced?

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https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/880693731948988

Queensland Rail is deeply concerned for the people involved in tonights incident, and are working with QPS as they continue their investigations.
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Wait for the knee jerk reaction from the gumbyment....... 

nah, the Police Minister won't have been on the train :hg

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Channel 10 News --> http://tenplay.com.au/news/brisbane/2014/11/4/bus-driver-attacked

Security footage reveals the teenager who allegedly beat a Logan bus driver last night allegedly committed the crime in his school uniform.
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this afternoon i saw a dude trying to insert a syringe needle into the split between the cushions in emu 79s quiet carriage. i confronted him, thinking at first that he was doing graffiti, and deliberately sat nearby and kept an eye on him and his accomplice who had been keeping lookout (poorly). i also got photos of him and the seat as it was left; the needle on the floor under it from when i startled him. queensland rail and the police now have the pictures. it is sickening and incredibly disturbing that people could have the thoughts go through their brain to even consider doing this. i know it isnt new behaviour, as i remember in 2010 or 2011 there was a news article about the same thing happening back then.

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What madness!

Very dangerous to confront - could have stabbed you with it, heavens knows what was in the needle!
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