BUZification mark II

[somebody]

Slight variation on the last time, the 412 is already a BUZ, and I am assuming that the 100 becoming a BUZ is RailBoT's official policy as the highest priority for buses.  Also, a couple of additional suggestions.

[STB]

I have heard a rumour in the past that the 180 would be BUZed eventually, although not on it's current route, more of a hybrid of 180/184, although that rumour was about 3 years ago.

The 450 has been piped as a BUZ from people I've heard within the industry as well, again, a hybrid of 453/454 with some changes.

The 555 could definately be a full time BUZ route I reckon, the loads at night (after 7pm) when it goes hourly is normally quite heavy with even standing loads, especially on Friday and Saturday nights, although I think it'd have to maintain the 555/572 at night, as that's where it gets a lot of passengers.

[somebody]

I have heard a rumour in the past that the 180 would be BUZed eventually, although not on it's current route, more of a hybrid of 180/184, although that rumour was about 3 years ago.

The 450 has been piped as a BUZ from people I've heard within the industry as well, again, a hybrid of 453/454 with some changes.

You mean the 180 BUZ would stay on Cavendish Rd until Chatsworth Rd?  That's something which should be done. 

450 definitely needs to reduce the degree it zig-zags.

Thanks for your post.  Good news.

[#Metro]

Definitely BUZ 450, and simplified as well.
There are so many different 45X routes, it would be good to have one frequent route that people can get to know well, than trying to guess where the other (lower frequency) ones go.

[Otto]

120 Garden Ctiy via Tingalpa.

Have we had a route change recently ? 

[Golliwog]

I went for the 428. A lot of students (and also residents along the route) use this service to get to the shopping center but also all the buses that stop there. Although it could split the BUZification over the 428 and 432 to cover more area, although I think one of the routes should change to go past the Indooroopilly schools (or it should at least be looked at)

[david]

I realise that this is VERY radical thinking, however...

With the planned train frequency increase at Darra, would it be too far-fetched to upgrade one of the feeder buses to the station to a BUZ? There has been a lot of talk about feeder buses in this forum and by BUZ-ing one of the feeder buses into Darra, perhaps we can start a revolution in bus-rail integration. I personally would propose a 452 BUZ, as there is a need for a BUZ in the Riverhills/Mt Ommaney area. I do realise that a 450 BUZ is the logical choice, however, is the solution really to add more buses to an already choked road system?

[somebody]

I realise that this is VERY radical thinking, however...

With the planned train frequency increase at Darra, would it be too far-fetched to upgrade one of the feeder buses to the station to a BUZ? There has been a lot of talk about feeder buses in this forum and by BUZ-ing one of the feeder buses into Darra, perhaps we can start a revolution in bus-rail integration. I personally would propose a 452 BUZ, as there is a need for a BUZ in the Riverhills/Mt Ommaney area. I do realise that a 450 BUZ is the logical choice, however, is the solution really to add more buses to an already choked road system?

One of my proposals is to extend the 450 into Darra, which would achieve more or less the same effect, but also connect Mt Ommaney to Darra.

120 Garden Ctiy via Tingalpa.

Have we had a route change recently ? 

Doh!! Yes, Tarragindi.

[#Metro]

I realise that this is VERY radical thinking, however...

With the planned train frequency increase at Darra, would it be too far-fetched to upgrade one of the feeder buses to the station to a BUZ? There has been a lot of talk about feeder buses in this forum and by BUZ-ing one of the feeder buses into Darra, perhaps we can start a revolution in bus-rail integration. I personally would propose a 452 BUZ, as there is a need for a BUZ in the Riverhills/Mt Ommaney area. I do realise that a 450 BUZ is the logical choice, however, is the solution really to add more buses to an already choked road system?

A BUZ 450 direct to the CBD is a good idea. I hope they use big articulated buses/superbuses so when they get to Indooroopilly, people changing from other routes can change to a BUZ 450 or BUZ 444 comfortably for the trip to the CBD. It would also massively simplify the spaghetti-mess of routes in this area,  be more efficient because demand will be concentrated in to larger vehicles which is operated by a single driver, and allow the terminating buses at Indooroopilly to be turned back to do another run, which will increase the frequency in local areas.

It will also mean that less buses need to enter the CBD.

A high frequency local or cross-town FUZ (feeder upgrade zone) to Darra has merit. I'm open to being convinced the BUZ 450 could connect to Darra, though I am not sure how the 450 would serve Darra without backtracking on itself/loopy route/wasting time. It might be better (again open to the idea) to have a dedicated FUZ to sweep that area and then feed them into Darra Rail.

[Golliwog]

I don't think its that loopy, you would just go to its current terminus, turn around and head down Sumners Rd and once you cross the motorway head to Darra. No, its not the most direct route, but it doesn't exactly need to be as its goal is to pass near peoples houses to take them to the station.

[#Metro]

I don't think its that loopy, you would just go to its current terminus, turn around and head down Sumners Rd and once you cross the motorway head to Darra. No, its not the most direct route, but it doesn't exactly need to be as its goal is to pass near peoples houses to take them to the station.

I've had a look on Google Maps and this is a great idea!!   
So current terminus first, turn around and then head to Darra Station & terminate.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Darra+QLD&gl=au&ei=_DiUTJ_KNJGGvgPr4vSZDQ&ved=0CB0Q8gEwAA&hl=en&msa=0&ll=-27.561873,152.903976&spn=0.000961,0.002838&t=h&z=19

A proper roundabout would be good to go at the corner of Daintree Pl and Sumners Rd, or it could
travel a bit further down...

A few feeder buses in this area to Indooroopilly might be good too- there is a lot of area to cover.

[somebody]

A high frequency local or cross-town FUZ (feeder upgrade zone) to Darra has merit. I'm open to being convinced the BUZ 450 could connect to Darra, though I am not sure how the 450 would serve Darra without backtracking on itself/loopy route/wasting time. It might be better (again open to the idea) to have a dedicated FUZ to sweep that area and then feed them into Darra Rail.

For the 450 to get to Darra, it would need to backtrack on itself along Sumners Rd, but the price has to be paid.  433 backtracks on itself too along Kenmore Rd.  Even if a 450 BUZ would reach Darra, it still needs to serve Riverhills West.  So why not just stick with the existing turnaround?

[#Metro]

I think what Golliwog was suggesting was:

* Turn right into Sumners Road and head to the current terminus (Riverhills West).

* Turn around at Riverhills West

* Once turned around, continue to Riverhills East and then  Darra & terminate.

Maybe there can be only bus stops on one side of the road on that back track bit?

[somebody]

Pretty sure I suggested it first, but you would stop on both sides of the road in both directions if pax want to.

[#Metro]

I think stopping on both sides of the road for that backtrack section is unnecessary and would slow things down.
However, I think it is a minor point, so won't mind much if that's what it turns out as...

[somebody]

I think stopping on both sides of the road for that backtrack section is unnecessary and would slow things down.
However, I think it is a minor point, so won't mind much if that's what it turns out as...

It would speed things up for the pax affected.  Making them run to Riverhills West and then return, is not a good approach.  It also makes the bus more packed than what it needs to be.  Few pax would run the route the full way.

[STB]

If I may suggest, a separate crosstown route would need to be devised rather than using route 450 to run back and forth along Sumners Road.  If route 450 were to run back and forth to get to Darra and the City and Riverhills, then this would increase travel times for those residents wanting to go to the city via route 450 and would cause confusion on where the route goes (and it's confusing enough as it is at the moment with 3 different cityxpress routes).

Where possible in transport planning, backtracking is best avoided.

[somebody]

If I may suggest, a separate crosstown route would need to be devised rather than using route 450 to run back and forth along Sumners Road.  If route 450 were to run back and forth to get to Darra and the City and Riverhills, then this would increase travel times for those residents wanting to go to the city via route 450 and would cause confusion on where the route goes (and it's confusing enough as it is at the moment with 3 different cityxpress routes).

Where possible in transport planning, backtracking is best avoided.

The ideal solution is to have the 453 operating on weekends too, and a different route for Riverhills.  A full time 452 on a revised routing isn't a bad option.

[david]

I also worry that the 450 would be notorious for running late on the outbound run, leaving commuters stranded when they miss their connecting train (hopefully, this shouldn't be too much of a problem with a 15 minute train frequency). This might turn people off using feeder buses and encourage them to drive to Darra, increasing the strain on the Park and Ride there.

A high frequency local or cross-town FUZ (feeder upgrade zone) to Darra has merit. I'm open to being convinced the BUZ 450 could connect to Darra, though I am not sure how the 450 would serve Darra without backtracking on itself/loopy route/wasting time. It might be better (again open to the idea) to have a dedicated FUZ to sweep that area and then feed them into Darra Rail.

My proposal would be to have a 452 BUZ (or FUZ...whatever floats your boat), instead of a 450 BUZ. Comments?

[#Metro]

I am looking at this in google... and I can see anti-public transport cul-de-sacs everywhere!!!    
What a nightmare it must be to get a bus through this area.

Seriously, there should be bicycle racks at key stops along this route.
It's the only practical way to expand access to the bus into to all these cul-de-sac places.

I think a BUZ 450 to Darra would be great. Taking STB's advice and looking at Google Maps, making sure that it doesn't backtrack
rules out a 450 BUZ to Darra. An improved 452 FUZ to cover it might be the way to go. Could the 452 could have the circle expanded to take in Horizon drive to make it worthwhile to increase the frequency & pick up more people? Or would that be overlap and therefore bad?

Where a new BUZ 450 should go is also tricky as well. Should it exit at DFO and then continue in the back streets,
or should it stick to the Centenary Motorway and then exit only when it gets to Mt Ommaney Shopping centre?
Speed vs more Passengers dilemma...

[somebody]

Looks like every one who is going to vote, has.

I'm interested that no one voted 180.  This commonly sees bendies now and has a name for overcrowding and unreliability.

[#Metro]

 BUZ 450 IMHO 

[Jonno]

Make the 555 just an express version of the 111 to Eight Mile plains and the all stops beyond.  Extend 111 to Chermside all stops in bus lane until busway completed.  Make 333 or 555 express to Chermisde the all stops to Aspley and Strathpine. Just thoughts.

[yogiew]

Hello All

The bus route that is in most need of the BUZ service is the 100 Bombay Xpress, it is full, late and could not keep to time table if the driver tried. It is now worse with o'keef street closed, waiting 20min from the gabba to the PA.

It also needs a helper service for morning and afternoon peak hour. Like the 99 Rocket Via Captain Cook Bridge that can run either as 100 - 99 -100 or 100 and 99 extra service.

The 130, 140 and non buz 180, have citybus, rocket and other cityxpress bus support and we got nothing.

I am after the plaza on the 100 route and it is a nightmare in the morning, if the 100 skipped chardons corner or south bank, the bus would be great.

Thanks
Yogiew

[#Metro]

http://www.translink.com.au/tt_results.php?submit=search&route=100

I think there is a new timetable coming October 4th, but I'm not sure if there are any extra services.

[STB]

I've already compared the two timetables.  Just timing adjustments in peak hour.

If it were extra services, TL would've sent the advice to the ministers office so the minister could make an announcement.  Which for this service change hasn't occured.

[STB]

I am after the plaza on the 100 route and it is a nightmare in the morning, if the 100 skipped chardons corner or south bank, the bus would be great.

Thanks
Yogiew

Hmm, I don't think that would sit comfy with the majority of patronage along that route with both of those destinations being fairly major.  Also, missing two stops wouldn't really save any extra time.

Keep in mind that route 100 does get support from route 460 and the Ipswich Rd services from Moorooka in.

[#Metro]

I think a BUZ down Ipswich Road would be worthwhile IMHO.
It would make the services down that road more legible.

[somebody]

It is now worse with o'keef street closed, waiting 20min from the gabba to the PA.

Not sure what you mean here.  The 100 has always used Ipswich Rd, and to my knowledge has never routed via either O'Keefe St portal.

It also needs a helper service for morning and afternoon peak hour.

It has it.  The 118, but this doesn't serve Inala.  From Inala you are better off using a feeder bus than any other possibility in peak hour.

Make the 555 just an express version of the 111 to Eight Mile plains and the all stops beyond.  Extend 111 to Chermside all stops in bus lane until busway completed.  Make 333 or 555 express to Chermisde the all stops to Aspley and Strathpine. Just thoughts.

Definitely needs to serve Garden City.  But Greenslopes and Holland Park West get so little service, I am reasonably comfortable with this one serving those stops.  If you took the 555 out of there, you should make the 140 service those stops.

333 skipping RB&WH-Chermside???  No, the 333 needs to serve the current stops, otherwise those pax would be forced onto the significantly less frequent 370, or maybe 375/379 at Windsor.

And why have a bus to Strathpine from the CBD?

[somebody]

Would it be fair to say that RailBoT's priorities for BUZification are (in this order):
100
555
Upgrades to the 450/453/454 service
180 - but via Chatsworth Rd
411 upgrades
300
174/175 upgrades on Logan Rd
204


I know I didn't list the 174/175 but it is something which should be done.
With the 450/453/454, I don't think we can BUZ it on the current 450 route.  Needs to be two routes.  Perhaps one for Nightlink would be OK.
With the 411, one possibility is to tag the Hawken Drive service on the end of the 412 and then return to Toowong at Glen Rd a la the 402.

[#Metro]

Would it be fair to say that RailBoT's priorities for BUZification are (in this order):
100
555
Upgrades to the 450/453/454 service
180 - but via Chatsworth Rd
411 upgrades
300
174/175 upgrades on Logan Rd
204

I'm a fan of 450 being the next BUZ. But that's just my opinion.
Think of the Western suburbs commuters. They have to battle Coronation drive!!!

[Jonno]

Definitely needs to serve Garden City.  But Greenslopes and Holland Park West get so little service, I am reasonably comfortable with this one serving those stops.  If you took the 555 out of there, you should make the 140 service those stops.

My thinking was that the 111 operates like an all stops to the Logan Hyperdome.  The 555 is just an express to Garden City/Eight Mile Plains but both BUZ.   Similar to express and all station trains on any train line. We need to start treating the busway as another transit route like a train line.  Maybe even go as far as calling it the Logonholme BUZ with no number. Loganholme BUZ stoping all stops and aLoganholme BUZ running express from Cultural Centre to Garden City (as an example).

333 skipping RB&WH-Chermside???  No, the 333 needs to serve the current stops, otherwise those pax would be forced onto the significantly less frequent 370, or maybe 375/379 at Windsor.

Was suggesting a similar express and all stop approach.  I also suport the 111 running through to become the now 333. Similar to an Ipswich-City train becomes a City-Caboolture train.  Chermide BUZ stopping all stops to Chermside and a Strathpine BUZ running express from RB&WH to Chermide

And why have a bus to Strathpine from the CBD?

Because not every one wants to travel to/from the CBD and there are many who need/wish to travel from Chermside (whole Gymie Road corridor really) to Aspley and beyond.  They drive it every day so there is demand. Remember a significant number of trips are not CBD centric.  The South East and Northern busway should be regarded just like the Ipswich/Caboolture line.  By connecting the busways to major centre we can create a network of transit lines.

[somebody]

The 680 does cover Chermside-Strathpine.  The trip can also be done with a 330 to Zillmere and a train.

[Jonno]

Again we need to start thinking of the system as a connected network not a series of bus routs from/to each major centre.  The fact that I need to change bus routes to make a single trip along Gympie Road to Aspley or Strathpine to Aspley means I will probably drive. It looks like the routes are all there but was thinking we need to link them up into "BUZ Lines" 

[Jonno]

Searching Translink confirms that to go from Aspley Hyperdome to Lutwyche Shopping Centre requires a change of bus at Chermside or I can catch the direct 680 but it only runs hourly.  The whole Gympie Road/Strathpine to Loganholme (and beyond) corridor should be viewed as a single line as the traffic volumes on these roads shows that people are moving along this route and there are business/residences along its whole length.

Even Chermside to Logan Hyperdome requires a change of buses.

[somebody]

Actually I am pretty sure the 680 if it does serve Lutwyche shops will soon no longer.

I think you should deal with needing to change to travel Logan-Chermside.  I thought you we supportive of feeder & trunk, which means more transfers than that.

Let's run a bus from Redcliffe to Logan every 5 minutes 24x7.

[Jonno]

I am very supportive of trunk and cross city/feeder services.  I just think the Gympie Road/Strathpine to Loganholme corridor should be a trunk.  Unfortunately we have built a city that is used to/expect to be able to travel this cross town distances.  People are happily travelling from the Gold Coast to the north side of the city to work or for shopping.  In todays world this level of mobility is expected.  Our aim is to convert the mode they travel by.

PS.  Redcliffe is not a Major Centre identified in the SEQ Strategic Plan.  The other centres I am talking of are.

[somebody]

Cross town buses, except for short distances, goes against most transport principles I am aware of.  Reliability is hurt.

Not really sure why you would want to go from Kedron to Westfield Strathpine.  Would have to be a different reason than shopping.

[Jonno]

Cross town buses, except for short distances, goes against most transport principles I am aware of.  Reliability is hurt.

Not really sure why you would want to go from Kedron to Westfield Strathpine.  Would have to be a different reason than shopping.

Maybe I live in Kedron and openned a new store in Strathpine, or work there or I have old school friend who lives there or my Grandma lives there or I have to meet a coolegue there in the morning.  There are 1000 reasons why I might want to do this trip and looking at the daily traffic on our roads people are doing just this.  People expect high levels of mobility and until our PT/AT provides this we will striggle to increase overall mode share.

[somebody]

Those reasons don't justify a single seat journey requirement IMO.