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PT to Port of Brisbane?
« on: August 06, 2010, 04:44:15 PM »
Does anyone know of any public transport options to the Port of Brisbane? 

I'm trying to help out a friend who potentially has a job there but has no way to get there other than public transport.  There doesn't appear to be any TransLink services that go there.
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2010, 05:34:43 PM »
The Port is located in a PT Blackout Zone  >:D
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2010, 07:01:00 PM »
Found this on the Port of Bris website

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Public transport is available to the Port of Brisbane via Queensland Rail's domestic train service to the Wynnum Station and a connecting bus service to the port. Please contact Veolia Transport on 07 3245 3811 for bus timetables and further information.

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2010, 07:02:01 PM »
train to lindum and then ride?
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2010, 07:11:00 PM »
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Public transport is available to the Port of Brisbane via Queensland Rail's domestic train service to the Wynnum Station and a connecting bus service to the port. Please contact Veolia Transport on 07 3245 3811 for bus timetables and further information.

Don't you just love secret bus services that nobody knows about?!  :pr
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 07:21:51 PM »
I love the thinking that says "surely no one working at the port needs to catch public transport.  There is ample parking and people start early". It is this thinking that has created the Brisbane of today.  Failing to Plan properly is Planning to Fail.  And Fail we have.

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2010, 05:06:29 PM »
Found this on the Port of Bris website

Thanks Otto.  I have passed this onto my friend.   :-t

P.S.  I thought the apparent lack of PT might create some discussion! :P
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2010, 05:37:53 PM »
I love the thinking that says "surely no one working at the port needs to catch public transport.  There is ample parking and people start early". It is this thinking that has created the Brisbane of today.  Failing to Plan properly is Planning to Fail.  And Fail we have.
Dead right.  Exactly the same kind of muddle headed thinking that sees the electrified stretch of line beyond Doomben to Eagle Farm without service, despite the area being a major employment area and hosting a busy TAFE college.

Public transport planning in Brisbane still reflects a belief at senior levels that with the exception of commuting to the CBD, nobody in their right mind would catch public transport if they had the option of driving.  The planning patterns & attitudes of 1950s Los Angeles still cast a long shadow over South East Queensland.
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2010, 05:50:22 PM »
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Public transport planning in Brisbane still reflects a belief at senior levels that with the exception of commuting to the CBD, nobody in their right mind would catch public transport if they had the option of driving.  The planning patterns & attitudes of 1950s Los Angeles still cast a long shadow over South East Queensland.

Unfortunately it just seems like this:

Off peak, recreational and shopping trips? Oh, that's just "fluff".  >:(

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Public transport planning in Brisbane still reflects a belief at senior levels that with the exception of commuting to the CBD, nobody in their right mind would catch public transport if they had the option of driving.

Its disturbing to think that public transport could be run by people who don't believe in PT.

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2010, 06:56:37 PM »
I love the thinking that says "surely no one working at the port needs to catch public transport.  There is ample parking and people start early". It is this thinking that has created the Brisbane of today.  Failing to Plan properly is Planning to Fail.  And Fail we have.
Dead right.  Exactly the same kind of muddle headed thinking that sees the electrified stretch of line beyond Doomben to Eagle Farm without service, despite the area being a major employment area and hosting a busy TAFE college.

Public transport planning in Brisbane still reflects a belief at senior levels that with the exception of commuting to the CBD, nobody in their right mind would catch public transport if they had the option of driving.  The planning patterns & attitudes of 1950s Los Angeles still cast a long shadow over South East Queensland.
To be honest, I do not think this is fair outside of the rail services.  Look at the BUZ services which are convenient until late at night.

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2010, 11:26:49 PM »
True, but until most main roads (or nearby railways) have a BUZ or almost BUZ-like service, I can't see our PT system being as successful or as fully utilised as it could be.
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2010, 09:03:04 AM »
My friend is supposed to be at the Port of Brisbane at 8am Monday.

Unfortunately when you call Veolia, a recorded message indicates that they are open Monday to Friday, 8am to 5pm.

He went down to the TransLink information booth in the mall and they were not able to provide any information.

In the end, I could only suggest that he catch an early train to Wynnum and ask the station master there if he/she knows anything about the bus to Port of Brisbane.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2010, 10:09:36 AM »
My friend is supposed to be at the Port of Brisbane at 8am Monday.

Unfortunately when you call Veolia, a recorded message indicates that they are open Monday to Friday, 8am to 5pm.

He went down to the TransLink information booth in the mall and they were not able to provide any information.

In the end, I could only suggest that he catch an early train to Wynnum and ask the station master there if he/she knows anything about the bus to Port of Brisbane.
Check out this link: http://www.portbris.com.au/Portals/0/Port%20Files/Newsletters/Port%20of%20Brisbane%20News/Hi%20res%20pdf%20-%20October.pdf

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2010, 10:20:33 AM »
New transPORT timetable
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A new timetable has been released for transPORT, the public bus service
which connects Manly and Wynnum to the Port of Brisbane.

The transPORT bus runs three services in the morning, between 5.30am and 7.20am, and three services in the afternoon, between 2.45pm and 4.25pm, Monday to Friday (except public holidays).
If you need to be picked up or dropped off at Queensland Bulk Handling or
The transPORT bus stops remain the same.

Sunstate Cement on Bulk Terminals Drive, please notify the driver or contact Veolia Transport.
This service is subsidised by the Port of Brisbane Corporation and operated by Veolia Transport. For a timetable or further information about the service, please visit www.portbris.com.au/aboutport or contact Veolia Transport on (07) 3245 3811.

I would suggest backup with money for a taxi and arrive early. Also, should this be a TL service? It does not look all that convenient at all.
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2010, 04:37:37 PM »
My friend is supposed to be at the Port of Brisbane at 8am Monday.

Unfortunately when you call Veolia, a recorded message indicates that they are open Monday to Friday, 8am to 5pm.



Just a thought.. It is a Public Holiday in the Redlands on Monday, so the Veolia Office may still be closed till Tuesday..

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2010, 05:10:52 PM »
I would just get a taxi, directly there from home or from the nearest train station.
A job is a big thing, don't want to be late for that. Its just too big a risk!  :o
Sorry that this reflects badly on PT, but PT in Brisbane needs to be more reliable!
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2010, 07:19:25 PM »
I would just get a taxi, directly there from home or from the nearest train station.
A job is a big thing, don't want to be late for that. Its just too big a risk!  :o

I agree and if I were in this situation, that's exactly what I'd do.  In the new workplace there would be plenty of people who were aware of the bus service and if not, the call could be made to Veolia (probably on Tuesday as Otto pointed out).

Unfortunately not everyone has the resources necessary for this - or the forethought or logical thinking process to plan it.
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2010, 10:50:31 PM »
It would seem apparent that this service has little or nothing to do with Translink, so much for the overall integration of public transport, the Port of Brisbane employs a considerable number of workers who as taxpayers are entitled to the provision of adequate public transport if the espoused government commitment to public transport to reduce traffic congestion and to reduce the environmental effects of private car usage by workers is not just so much more spin and hot air.

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2010, 11:28:25 PM »
Agree 100% with mufreight. I think it would be the same for Pinkenba/ATC area too.
"Fend for yourself" is the attitude.

I also wonder about the future of this (rather scanty) bus service. See, when the port is privatised, things may come under review. PT does not generate profits, so my thinking would be that this bus service might be altered or worst case, removed.

Proper integration means integrated services, not just tickets, fares and livery.
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2010, 08:40:29 AM »
My friend phoned early this morning from Wynnum Station.  The Station Master there didn't know about the bus service.  He had enough cash for a taxi so I suggested he do that and ask the people where he'll be working about the bus.

I think it would be the same for Pinkenba/ATC area too.

Coincidentally, I went for a drive through that way on the weekend.  There were Brisbane Transport bus stops all the way out - some seemingly in the middle of nowhere.  (I don't know how regular/reliable the services are.)

Considering the Port of Brisbane bus isn't a TransLink service, I dare say it's not subsidised and would be charged at a full commercial rate.  I'll be following up with my friend once he finds out about it to see how much it costs.
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2010, 08:52:47 AM »
It's subsidised by the port themselves.

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2010, 06:44:05 PM »
Well my friend said that they no longer run the bus service and that it stopped a while ago.  He was unfortunately unable to accept the job.
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2010, 07:00:47 PM »
Well my friend said that they no longer run the bus service and that it stopped a while ago.  He was unfortunately unable to accept the job.
That's something of a bummer.  I was able to find a web page that said last service ran 26 Feb 2010.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2010, 07:26:07 PM »
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Well my friend said that they no longer run the bus service and that it stopped a while ago.  He was unfortunately unable to accept the job.

Because of bad PT?

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2010, 07:51:35 PM »
Because of bad PT?

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2010, 08:06:08 PM »
I can see this being fodder for RailBOT media releases for quite some time. Brace yourselves.

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2010, 09:00:03 PM »
But we have to look at PT as purely a stand alone viable business and ignore other benefits!!!!! (sarcastic tone firmly applied)
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2010, 10:32:00 PM »
G'day everyone. I'm new here (so go easy on me!) however I've been a keen viewer of the forum for a while. But reading this topic has tickled my interest enough to register and contribute:

How on earth can the powers-that-be possibly say "Australia's New World City", or include the term "world-class" in media releases when a situation like this arises?!?

Firstly, a PT black-hole exists (as in many parts of SEQ). Hmm there might be some sort of shuttle bus, but don't call Translink - it's a private company thing: they can't help you. Neither can the transport info booths in the city. Try calling so-and-so down at Wynnum station: he might know! Call the private bus company during office hours (oh but not this Monday or Wednesday - the country show is on). How about you catch a cab or get a lift with a friend.... WORLD-CLASS TRANSPORT SYSTEM INDEED!! :-D  /endrant  ;D

Let's keep the pressure on to fix all public transport black holes! (starting with East Brisbane, Spring Hill, Herston, Highgate Hill.....)  :pr

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2010, 11:08:57 PM »
Hi!

Yes, FIX THE FREQUENCY!  :pr
My experience with the train last week really frustrated me. There are black holes everywhere, hardly surprising when transfers, off-peak, non-CBD trips and cross-town trips are not taken seriously.

Look now, someone unfairly discriminated against because they do not have a car and do not have equal access to what could have been a good job. So much for a world class city!
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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2010, 08:38:11 AM »
Members might recall that the 'Australian Trade Coast' (huff & puff), incorporating the Port, the airport and the Eagle Farm industrial/commercial redevelopment, is planned to employ more people than the CBD. And, guess what, if they all used cars there would not be enough space on conceivable roads into these precincts to allow these workers to get there.
You might also recall an 'emergency transport planning group' which, a few years ago was convened by the then Minister (one Paul Lucas if I recall rightly) to find ways to get workers into and out of this employment wonder. So far, no results - oh, there's Airport Link that gets sort-of to Eagle Farm, there's the Lord Mayor's pictures of roads over and under the river to increase KS Drive at enormous cost in money and environment, nothing for the Port as far as I know... ???

Oh, and neither the Port nor Brisbane Airports Corp like workers using pushbikes. Both have attempted to ban cycling on their roads.  >:(

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2010, 05:17:59 PM »
I used to work shiftwork out near the port and apart from your own wheels, it's a taxi or a lift with coworkers.
There's even a dual gauge line out to the port but it's a freight line.
There are ships in and out all the time and the the crews often want to go into the city, but there's only a taxi available.
Pathetic support from a government that is trying to tell us that the port will be one of the biggest in Australia some day.

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2010, 05:23:40 PM »
I used to work shiftwork out near the port and apart from your own wheels, it's a taxi or a lift with coworkers.
There's even a dual gauge line out to the port but it's a freight line.
There are ships in and out all the time and the the crews often want to go into the city, but there's only a taxi available.
Pathetic support from a government that is trying to tell us that the port will be one of the biggest in Australia some day.
Great points on the PT!

Australia's biggest?  Why would it be: doesn't it have limitations on the draft allowed?

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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2010, 06:09:07 PM »
OK, it's network planning time.

* Where should the bus routes go to and from? if you have a diagram, post it.
* How many bus routes and where should it stop?
* What should the frequency be like?
* Should it be partially paid for by the port?
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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2010, 09:09:40 AM »
A bus meeting every train a Wynnum Central?

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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2010, 12:18:38 PM »
Hemmant or Lindum would make more sense.  Looking at the map, I think Lindum would be more suitable for a shuttle bus operation, whereas Hemmant would require more work to put in bus stops and pedestrian access.

Hemmant station :- link.  The Port of Brisbane Mwy runs adjacent to the railway.

Lindum station :- link.   Lindum Rd links straight on to the Port of Brisbane Mwy.


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Re: PT to Port of Brisbane?
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2010, 07:12:18 PM »
Feeder bus discussion to port ---> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4318.0
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