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somebody

#80
February 06, 2011, 17:09:29 PM
That's talking about the whole BCC area, not the CBD.

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#81
February 06, 2011, 18:23:39 PM
Don't worry somebody, I managed to use google to find it...
It's not the CBD, but the inner 5km (close enough I say!!!)

QuoteThe inner five kilometres is 78 square kilometres or six per cent of the area of Brisbane, yet it is home to one quarter of Brisbane's one million residents and contains half of Brisbane's 700,000 jobs.

Link here: http://web.brisbane.qld.gov.au/2010%20Library/2009%20PDF%20and%20Docs/2.%20Planning%20and%20Building/2.1%20About%20planning%20and%20building/about_planning_and_building_river_city_blueprint.pdf
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somebody

#82
February 06, 2011, 18:30:18 PM
Inner 5km would include all those non CBD places I listed.

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#83
February 07, 2011, 12:45:36 PM
http://www.connectingseq.qld.gov.au/Area/Brisbane/Brisbane-Rail-Network.aspx  :is-

QuoteHigh public transport use for trips to the Brisbane CBD (48%)
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#84
February 07, 2011, 23:09:17 PM
BrizCommuter, would you be kind enough to detail on your blog what you would do if you had to write Connecting SEQ 2031?
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Gazza

#85
February 07, 2011, 23:31:37 PM
QuoteThe inner five kilometres is 78 square kilometres or six per cent of the area of Brisbane, yet it is home to one quarter of Brisbane's one million residents and contains half of Brisbane's 700,000 jobs.
Hmm, certainly makes a good case for the proposed Metro IMO. The value of it is that the other modes of transport would dump people into this inner 5km circle, then the metro would distribute people around this area to their final destinations in a timely manner.

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#86
February 08, 2011, 00:04:11 AM
Just make sure CRR gets funded first and foremost, and all single track is eliminated within the suburban and interurban sections of the heavy rail network.
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somebody

#87
February 08, 2011, 08:41:45 AM
Quote from: Gazza on February 07, 2011, 23:31:37 PM
QuoteThe inner five kilometres is 78 square kilometres or six per cent of the area of Brisbane, yet it is home to one quarter of Brisbane's one million residents and contains half of Brisbane's 700,000 jobs.
Hmm, certainly makes a good case for the proposed Metro IMO. The value of it is that the other modes of transport would dump people into this inner 5km circle, then the metro would distribute people around this area to their final destinations in a timely manner.
But it's not required to do so.  All you need to do is improve the service on the existing infrastructure.  Honestly, 15 minute counter peak frequency to Milton is completely unacceptable!  Imagine having 15 minute frequency to North Sydney?  Trains are overcrowded enough when it drops back to 5-8 minute frequency.

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#89
February 15, 2011, 19:03:31 PM
BrizCommuter  ;D

:-t

I love the "BrizCommuter's source boarded the bus" LOL!  :-c
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ozbob

#90
February 15, 2011, 19:41:34 PM
Waiting for long periods to board a bus also has fare implications.  For example someone has come in on rail, touches off at the gate, goes and has a coffee.  Heads off to get to the bus to Herston and due to lack of boarding opportunity finally touches on after an hour.  Wham bam, thank you, another fare for the ride to Herston.  The converse is that extra journey may get the hapless commuter a 50% reduction towards the end of the week on a long trip if our punter makes to that point.  Stress might get him/her before then ...

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Cam

#91
February 16, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: somebody on February 08, 2011, 08:41:45 AM
Imagine having 15 minute frequency to North Sydney?

Imagine having a 30 minute counter peak frequency to Ipswich?

Well that is what Translink provides those working in Ipswich - at best. There are a couple of 36 minute gaps in the morning & a 44 minute gap  :-[ between the 4.07pm & 4.51pm from Ipswich. Why can't some of the empty "Not In Service" trains that run back to Ipswich in the morning be opened to passengers at Roma Street - what a great counter peak express service that would be from Roma Street to Ipswich faster than you can drive!

Translink provides no incentive to use public transport when commuting to Ipswich. I felt sorry for the thousands of motorists Ipswich bound I saw this morning at about 6.45am stuck in the massive traffic jam on the Ipswich Motorway between Wacol & Redbank due to the roadworks that went overtime.

Golliwog

#92
February 16, 2011, 21:52:10 PM
Quote from: Cam on February 16, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: somebody on February 08, 2011, 08:41:45 AM
Imagine having 15 minute frequency to North Sydney?

Imagine having a 30 minute counter peak frequency to Ipswich?

Well that is what Translink provides those working in Ipswich - at best. There are a couple of 36 minute gaps in the morning & a 44 minute gap  :-[ between the 4.07pm & 4.51pm from Ipswich. Why can't some of the empty "Not In Service" trains that run back to Ipswich in the morning be opened to passengers at Roma Street - what a great counter peak express service that would be from Roma Street to Ipswich faster than you can drive!

Translink provides no incentive to use public transport when commuting to Ipswich. I felt sorry for the thousands of motorists Ipswich bound I saw this morning at about 6.45am stuck in the massive traffic jam on the Ipswich Motorway between Wacol & Redbank due to the roadworks that went overtime.

Try asking the driver/guard. I have a friend who did that for a train on the Ferny Grove line and got to run express from FG to Bowen Hills.
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#Metro

#94
February 18, 2011, 19:08:12 PM
 8) Congratulations.
Now you can tell us how good PT is with Babycommuter
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#96
February 26, 2011, 16:41:47 PM
What about the weekend train services and Darra-CBD?
I think more will come on when the draft timetable is approved.

patience...
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somebody

#97
February 26, 2011, 17:10:10 PM
Quote from: tramtrain on February 26, 2011, 16:41:47 PM
What about the weekend train services and Darra-CBD?
I think more will come on when the draft timetable is approved.

patience...
Sorry?  The only difference between that and the interim timetable on weekends is a slightly later finish to the 15 minute frequency, and a true 15 minute frequency rather than the 14-16 minute frequency of the current timetable.  But with bonus added fat.  :thsdo

BrizCommuter

#98
February 27, 2011, 08:10:01 AM
Quote from: tramtrain on February 26, 2011, 16:41:47 PM
What about the weekend train services and Darra-CBD?
I think more will come on when the draft timetable is approved.

patience...

Maybe I should have phrased that as "what new bus services"?

Don't forget that 6 rail lines are not getting a new timetable until at least later this year.

somebody

#99
February 27, 2011, 09:36:58 AM
Quote from: Golliwog on February 16, 2011, 21:52:10 PM
Try asking the driver/guard. I have a friend who did that for a train on the Ferny Grove line and got to run express from FG to Bowen Hills.
You mean to carry you on a non service trip?  It shouldn't be required to do so!

Golliwog

#100
February 27, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Whats wrong with being carried on such a trip? The train is running anyway. If it was running out of service to head back to the yard then yes I would see that as wrong to get them to stop at a station to drop you off, but if its heading back to form a new run in the CBD, whats the problem?
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#101
February 27, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: Golliwog on February 27, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Whats wrong with being carried on such a trip? The train is running anyway. If it was running out of service to head back to the yard then yes I would see that as wrong to get them to stop at a station to drop you off, but if its heading back to form a new run in the CBD, whats the problem?
What I meant was that the service should accept passengers and be on the timetable rather than requiring the crew to do you a favour.

Or to put it another way, there are far to many out of service movements on our network.

Golliwog

#102
February 27, 2011, 15:18:57 PM
Oh, ok. I agree, even if the trains were in the timetable as an express that (using my FG line example) only picked up from Ferny Grove and then went express to Bowen Hills, it would be better.
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#104
February 28, 2011, 17:24:08 PM
It would be nice if there were photos :-)
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BrizCommuter

#105
February 28, 2011, 19:53:45 PM
Quote from: tramtrain on February 28, 2011, 17:24:08 PM
It would be nice if there were photos :-)
If I was anywhere near the exit doors I would have taken a photo! Most of the platform was packed with rather annoyed students.

Maybe we should request the CCTV footage!

Golliwog

#106
February 28, 2011, 20:50:58 PM
Same deal at UQ Lakes this afternoon. Smaller crowd left behind (I think I said about 30-40 elsewhere on the forum) for the 109 but this was only at 1.10pm, hardly a peak time even for a university.
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#107
February 28, 2011, 20:53:23 PM
They must soon learn that PT is overcrowded and start driving...
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Golliwog

#108
February 28, 2011, 20:55:47 PM
They can't. Well at least UQ anyway. Since the floods, the parking at UQ has been free as there was damage to the electronics, so every man and his dog has been parking there and either staying on campus, or heading to work in the CBD.
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ozbob

#110
March 01, 2011, 19:29:47 PM
http://schwandl.blogspot.com/2011/02/down-under-tour-2011-brisbane.html

QuoteThe Brisbane system doesn't help to get more people out of their cars – the whole philosophy behind "day/weekly/monthly passes" is that you are more likely to use public transport if you already have a ticket (at a fair price!), and the feeling that you made the most of it. Having to pay a new fare for each trip makes you always think twice whether you should actually do it.

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colinw

#112
March 03, 2011, 12:35:35 PM
Nailed it.  Great post.

Golliwog

#113
March 03, 2011, 16:44:16 PM
What experts regard busways as a 3rd world solution? I agree rail would provide greater capacity, but if anything your argument of "full bus after full bus after full bus" shows how effective they've been at taking passengers to and from the city faster than they would if they had to share the road with cars or even with bus lanes. The full bus problem isn't the busway's fault but the shortage of buses, or not enough big buses.
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#114
March 03, 2011, 16:55:37 PM Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 16:57:44 PM by tramtrain
QuoteWhat experts regard busways as a 3rd world solution? I agree rail would provide greater capacity, but if anything your argument of "full bus after full bus after full bus" shows how effective they've been at taking passengers to and from the city faster than they would if they had to share the road with cars or even with bus lanes. The full bus problem isn't the busway's fault but the shortage of buses, or not enough big buses.

I actually disagree, and I know that what I say can get up people's noses.

Consider the mirror-image situation: If I were to point to any congested, clogged freeway in Brisbane at peak hour and make the statement: "full car lane, after full car lane shows how effective freeways are at taking people" I would be hounded.

Our busways are good and do the job. It is time to bite the bullet and look at upgrades to full time superbus options. If I put a train down there, it too might be full, but I would move a whole heap more people. Why is it so hard to get upgrades- as Brizcommuter points out it took 7 months to get fixes.

We need more capacity. TransLink knows full well what the problem is, and has known for some time. For every passenger left behind there are more that are turned off the service altogether, that's more $$$ lost, more $$$ revenue gone and then we wonder why the farebox is so bad.
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#Metro

#115
March 03, 2011, 16:59:46 PM
Quote
"Go Card and the fare structure must strike the right balance between the cost to customers and taxpayers, and making public transport attractive in terms in frequency and reliability."

Frequency? I see tumbleweeds at the train station I use!
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Stillwater

#116
March 03, 2011, 17:30:43 PM

It may seem strange to look at things this way, but viewed from one perspective, for every passenger it discourages from using PT, Translink 'saves' the subsidy it otherwise would have paid for that person's travel.  In other words, for every $1 that person does not pay in fares, the government 'saves' $2.

The more you look at this, Translink and QR can only do so much with the budgets they are given.  They must improve efficiency to maximise the value for every $ they get from government.  At the end of the day, the solution to this mess lies in the hands of politicians.

colinw

#117
March 03, 2011, 17:47:52 PM
That line of logic leads inevitably toward system closure, or a minimal "peak hour only" system like some US cities used to run.

#Metro

#118
March 03, 2011, 17:50:52 PM
The cheapest system (on budget papers anyway) is no public transport system at all.
The train system has terrible frequency.

It is one thing to increase costs and service frequency.
It is quite another to just increase costs.
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somebody

#119
March 03, 2011, 18:13:33 PM
Quote from: Stillwater on March 03, 2011, 17:30:43 PM

It may seem strange to look at things this way, but viewed from one perspective, for every passenger it discourages from using PT, Translink 'saves' the subsidy it otherwise would have paid for that person's travel.  In other words, for every $1 that person does not pay in fares, the government 'saves' $2.

The more you look at this, Translink and QR can only do so much with the budgets they are given.  They must improve efficiency to maximise the value for every $ they get from government.  At the end of the day, the solution to this mess lies in the hands of politicians.
I think this is the quality of the thinking from the decision makers.  Whoever they may be.
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