Richlands to Springfield Central - Stage 2

[ozbob]

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[QGT]

I went for a drive yesterday out to Ellen Grove & Springfield took a few photos. Enjoy 





























Cheers,
QGT

[ozbob]

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[ozbob]

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[ozbob]

Visit to the Richlands to Springfield Central rail project today.

Thanks to our hosts TrackStar Alliance.

Following a briefing/update  on the project, we travelled by a BBL Sprinter along the corridor and had an opportunity to see progress at Springfield and Springfield Central.  The rail project should be completed November 2013, and then hopefully opened late 2013 early 2014.

























Photographs R Dow 1st June 2013

[Derwan]

Here are my photos from today's tour.

http://bit.ly/SpringfieldRail2

Very well worthwhile.  It was interesting to see the difference between this tour and the previous one - especially at Springfield Central where we actually stopped at the same place as last time to view the station.  I've added a "comparison photo".

[ozbob]

Nice photos Derwan!  Thanks for sharing the link ...

Here below latest flyers on Springfield Central and Springfield (formerly Springfield Lakes) railway stations.

Springfield Central





Springfield

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Robelle Domain parklands set for $10 million expansion

[aldonius]

Given that the TR area is going to be substantially more built-up by the time of construction... I'm going to go with 'horrendous'.

[Gazza]

Given that the TR area is going to be substantially more built-up by the time of construction

Will they building any properties in the corridor though?

[aldonius]

Highly unlikely, but they'll probably still need a few property resumptions for site access and staging. It's just such a constrained corridor.

It's still 'easier' than Corinda-Darra or outer FG because we don't have existing services to work alongside, but beyond that it's got just as many difficulties.

Actually, now I think of it, the Kippa-Ring line in the built-up sections will be our best estimate of what TR will cost.

[HappyTrainGuy]

TR and KR have similar setups but there will be big price differences. KP is in a reserved corridor and goes through wetlands/non developed areas to cut down on costs with only a couple bridges and property resumptions needed. TR has big costs when it gets to Carseldine/Bald Hills with the flood plains there (regularly floods and can isolate Strathpine, Bray Park and Lawnton), possible land resumptions around potential overpass sites, lots of landscaping works (not the flattest of corridors eg around Hamilton Road), flood mitigation works eg Hamilton Road/Trouts Road is located at the bottom of 3 steep hills on either side with a creek up the middle/in the corridor, houses need to be resumed, flood prevention from Kedron Brook and so forth. Quite a big difference compared to KP despite similar space from a reserved corridor.

[Golliwog]

TR and KR have similar setups but there will be big price differences. KP is in a reserved corridor and goes through wetlands/non developed areas to cut down on costs with only a couple bridges and property resumptions needed. TR has big costs when it gets to Carseldine/Bald Hills with the flood plains there (regularly floods and can isolate Strathpine, Bray Park and Lawnton), possible land resumptions around potential overpass sites, lots of landscaping works (not the flattest of corridors eg around Hamilton Road), flood mitigation works eg Hamilton Road/Trouts Road is located at the bottom of 3 steep hills on either side with a creek up the middle/in the corridor, houses need to be resumed, flood prevention from Kedron Brook and so forth. Quite a big difference compared to KP despite similar space from a reserved corridor.

Don't forget a potential change in setup of Alderley Station for the split to TR. The tendency these days is to not build new LX so I expect a flyover from Alderley station over Raymont Rd and then Shand St once you get to Grinstead park. Might have an embankment until you bridge Kedron Brook. Hopefully (if) the government does sell off the Everton Park State High School (the fields that the bikeway runs along on the northside of Kedron Brook are at the back of the school and it's directly adjacent to the Trouts Rd corridor at Stafford Rd) they are smart enough to keep the part that would be needed as part of this corridor. Otherwise add a bit to buy back the land as well.

Once you cross Stafford Rd though, I don't see it being much too bad really. Yes you have a bit of earthworks, etc but site access is relatively easy though if you want to use the same construction practices as FG/Springfield then you might have to wait a while to run a rail/sleeper/ballast train as the two most difficult parts are obviosuly the bridges, etc required at the Alderley and Strathpine ends.

[ozbob]

Back OT ...   

Queensland Times --> Augustine Heights has some "hidden treasures"

[SurfRail]

TR and KR have similar setups but there will be big price differences. KP is in a reserved corridor and goes through wetlands/non developed areas to cut down on costs with only a couple bridges and property resumptions needed. TR has big costs when it gets to Carseldine/Bald Hills with the flood plains there (regularly floods and can isolate Strathpine, Bray Park and Lawnton), possible land resumptions around potential overpass sites, lots of landscaping works (not the flattest of corridors eg around Hamilton Road), flood mitigation works eg Hamilton Road/Trouts Road is located at the bottom of 3 steep hills on either side with a creek up the middle/in the corridor, houses need to be resumed, flood prevention from Kedron Brook and so forth. Quite a big difference compared to KP despite similar space from a reserved corridor.

Don't forget a potential change in setup of Alderley Station for the split to TR. The tendency these days is to not build new LX so I expect a flyover from Alderley station over Raymont Rd and then Shand St once you get to Grinstead park. Might have an embankment until you bridge Kedron Brook. Hopefully (if) the government does sell off the Everton Park State High School (the fields that the bikeway runs along on the northside of Kedron Brook are at the back of the school and it's directly adjacent to the Trouts Rd corridor at Stafford Rd) they are smart enough to keep the part that would be needed as part of this corridor. Otherwise add a bit to buy back the land as well.

Once you cross Stafford Rd though, I don't see it being much too bad really. Yes you have a bit of earthworks, etc but site access is relatively easy though if you want to use the same construction practices as FG/Springfield then you might have to wait a while to run a rail/sleeper/ballast train as the two most difficult parts are obviosuly the bridges, etc required at the Alderley and Strathpine ends.

Depends on how it is done.  I think the best way would be to have no connection between the FG line and the NWTC whatsoever and just have 2 underground platforms to effect an interchange.  Least surface impact, cheaper, and the flexibility you buy with connecting the 2 if something goes wrong is probably nowhere near cost-effective for what it would take to implement.

[mufreight]

TR and KR have similar setups but there will be big price differences. KP is in a reserved corridor and goes through wetlands/non developed areas to cut down on costs with only a couple bridges and property resumptions needed. TR has big costs when it gets to Carseldine/Bald Hills with the flood plains there (regularly floods and can isolate Strathpine, Bray Park and Lawnton), possible land resumptions around potential overpass sites, lots of landscaping works (not the flattest of corridors eg around Hamilton Road), flood mitigation works eg Hamilton Road/Trouts Road is located at the bottom of 3 steep hills on either side with a creek up the middle/in the corridor, houses need to be resumed, flood prevention from Kedron Brook and so forth. Quite a big difference compared to KP despite similar space from a reserved corridor.

Don't forget a potential change in setup of Alderley Station for the split to TR. The tendency these days is to not build new LX so I expect a flyover from Alderley station over Raymont Rd and then Shand St once you get to Grinstead park. Might have an embankment until you bridge Kedron Brook. Hopefully (if) the government does sell off the Everton Park State High School (the fields that the bikeway runs along on the northside of Kedron Brook are at the back of the school and it's directly adjacent to the Trouts Rd corridor at Stafford Rd) they are smart enough to keep the part that would be needed as part of this corridor. Otherwise add a bit to buy back the land as well.

Once you cross Stafford Rd though, I don't see it being much too bad really. Yes you have a bit of earthworks, etc but site access is relatively easy though if you want to use the same construction practices as FG/Springfield then you might have to wait a while to run a rail/sleeper/ballast train as the two most difficult parts are obviosuly the bridges, etc required at the Alderley and Strathpine ends.

Depends on how it is done.  I think the best way would be to have no connection between the FG line and the NWTC whatsoever and just have 2 underground platforms to effect an interchange.  Least surface impact, cheaper, and the flexibility you buy with connecting the 2 if something goes wrong is probably nowhere near cost-effective for what it would take to implement.

Please enlighten me as to how Trouts Road or MBRL are relative to a thread on Richlands to Springfield - Stage 2, seems that once again some are lost and off topic.   

[Gazza]

^Backseat moderator 

[SurfRail]

Please enlighten me as to how Trouts Road or MBRL are relative to a thread on Richlands to Springfield - Stage 2, seems that once again some are lost and off topic.   

I routinely talk all over the place, as most people would know.  So sue me.

[HappyTrainGuy]

 

[ozbob]

From the Queensland Times 20th July 2013 page 20

Springfield line given first tryout

[petey3801]

Hmmm, someone should probably tell the QT and that councillor that ballast abd rail trains have been running for a few months now on the Springfield extention...

[mufreight]

Hmmm, someone should probably tell the QT and that councillor that ballast abd rail trains have been running for a few months now on the Springfield extention...

Someone did which was how they knew to be there to get their photo but they then contacted a local politician who then shared his knowledge, so much for how aware the local member is about what is going on in the real world.   :conf

[ozbob]

Queensland Times --> Look inside Springfield's state-of-the-art station


http://media2.apnonline.com.au/img/media/images/2013/07/29/IQT_30-07-2013_NEWS_04_STAT26D_t460.jpg

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Authorities say the Springfield railway line is on track for a December finish

[ozbob]

Queensland Times --> The Lions are coming ... with a $60m training ground!

[red dragin]

Just noticed on the QR Track Maintenance page -> http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/RailServices/City/Pages/Planninganevent.aspx

10.30pm to last train Sunday 29 September Darra to Richlands Commissioning of overheads between Richlands and Springfield
10.30pm to last train Monday 30 September Darra to Richlands Commissioning of overheads between Richlands and Springfield
10.30pm to last train Tuesday 1 October Darra to Richlands Commissioning of overheads between Richlands and Springfield
10.30pm to last train Wednesday 2 October Darra to Richlands Commissioning of overheads between Richlands and Springfield


Photo opportunity for the first electric test trains coming up in October by the looks of it 

[ClintonL94]

Couple of photos attached from Nearmap 3rd Aug 2013.

[ozbob]

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Major development announcement planned for Springfield today by Premier Newman & Springfield icon Maha Sinnathamby.

[ozbob]

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Major development announcement planned for Springfield today by Premier Newman & Springfield icon Maha Sinnathamby.

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Robyn Ironside ‏@ironsider 9m

GE Australia moving Qld HQ to Springfield, building $72M office building for 1200 workers. #qqt

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Springfield is on the cusp of an employment boom after GE Australia announced it will move the bulk of its Brisbane workforce to a new headquarters in the satellite city. 

[ozbob]

Bus changes for Ipswich and Western region flagged ..

--> http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/ipswich

Seems to suggest that trains to Springfield will commence in December 2013.

[dancingmongoose]

As it was a month ago -> http://www.qt.com.au/news/springfield-line-given-first-tryout/1952078/

[ozbob]

Talking revenue services not crew training ...

[ozbob]

Flyer picked up at TransLink information session at Redbank Plaza 12th September 2013

[Old Northern Road]

41 minutes is pretty good considering Springfield is actually further from the CBD  than Cleveland.

[Set in train]

41 minutes is pretty good considering Springfield is actually further from the CBD  than Cleveland.

Slow, needs a peak express service at least.

Depending on destination use, every second service to be express would be good. Fast, competitive PT is the way to go.

[mufreight]

41 minutes is pretty good considering Springfield is actually further from the CBD  than Cleveland.

Slow, needs a peak express service at least.

Depending on destination use, every second service to be express would be good. Fast, competitive PT is the way to go.

Some people are never satisfied. if every second Springfield service was to run express in the peak as you suggest then every second service from Ipswich in the peak would have to run all stations to compensate or additional services operating all stations from Darra would need to be provided to maintain the same levels of service for Ipswich line passengers.

[Gazza]

I don't really see why 41 minutes is slow considering how far out Springfield lakes is anyway. It's an outer suburb so there's only so much you can do.
...Google Maps says 35 minutes by car off peak despite it being mostly motorway, and in peak hour it would inevitably be much more than 35 mins due to congestion on the Centenary.

In conclusion, 41 minutes should be a very competitive journey.

[STB]

Makes sense to just have Ipswich expresses and Springfield being all stoppers during peak as it is now.  Remember, you can always just change trains at Darra if you really really want to.

[Set in train]

Some people are never satisfied. if every second Springfield service was to run express in the peak as you suggest then every second service from Ipswich in the peak would have to run all stations to compensate or additional services operating all stations from Darra would need to be provided to maintain the same levels of service for Ipswich line passengers.

You're right mufreight, I am never satisfied. I have a penchant for speedy public transport.