Richlands to Springfield Central - Stage 2

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Labor's plan for bike paths linking Richlands and Springfield ditched by LNP for new lanes on Centenary Highway

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Bikeway axed in Centenary Motorway widening

[ozbob]

Media release 12th October 2012

SEQ: Centenary Highway upgrade - creates costly congestion

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the Centenary Highway upgrade changes have come with hidden costs (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"With some fanfare the Minister for Transport has announced an upgrade to the Centenary Highway from two to four lanes between Richlands and Springfield (1).  The planned bicycle/foot path linking Richlands and Springfield has been discarded in favour of a road upgrade. Without the bike-way and with the extra road lanes, the Centenary Highway will reach its capacity more quickly."

"Rather then address the real basis for congestion, too many people travelling in cars, they have chosen to further worsen congestion by also not optimising the railway presently being constructed from Richlands to Springfield."

"The planned park and ride facilities at Springfield and Springfield Central are inadequate being a total of around 950 parking spaces for the three stations. Richlands 650 spaces, Springfield 200, and Springfield Central 100. The Mandurah line in West Australia, a similar situation and demographic as for the Springfield railway has around 3700 car parking spaces for three stations!"

"There are plans to build a railway station at Ellen Grove in about 5 years.  Building the station today would cost around $20 million, easily funded from the savings identified by Minister Emerson.  A station at Ellen Grove would relieve a lot of the parking issues at Richlands railway station, and provide relief at Springfield and Springfield Central stations, stations with planned inadequate park and ride facilities."

"To come back at build the railway station at Ellen Grove in 5 or so years will cost a lot more than 'greenfield' construction now, with the added complexity of building it on a working railway."

"This failure at Ellen Grove highlights admirably the flawed transport planning processes that occur in Queensland.  It is not to late to build Ellen Grove railway station ' greenfield '."

"Is the Government smart enough?"

References:

1. http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2012/10/10/lnp-review-delivers-centenary-highway-boost

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[Gazza]

Pics you've been after!


Waterford Rd Bridge.


Julie Rd Bridge / Logan Motorway Bridge


Julie Rd Bridge & Logan Motorway Bridge, northern end, transition to embankment.


New retaining wall, Considine St, Ellen Grove.


Masts in place, south of Richlands station.


Logan Motorway flyover, far south end, with bridge beams in place.


Logan Motorway flyover, southern end.


Overheads at proposed Ellen Grove station site. (Not in current project scope)
But no station, so faster trips for all 


Springfield Parkway Bridge works.


The elevated Springfield Central station.


Springfield Central station, and elevated line leading into it.


Springfield Station, Nev Smith Drive.


Springfield station platform/corridor  works, looking south. (Pic taken from link bridge)


Springfield station platform early works, looking north. (Pic taken from link bridge)

[ozbob]

Thanks!

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

Rail Back on Track's Robert Dow adds to criticism of State Government changes to Centenary Highway upgrade

Rail Back on Track's Robert Dow adds to criticism of State Government changes to Centenary Highway upgrade

    by: Ipswich News
    From: Quest Newspapers
    October 13, 2012 12:00AM


Action group Rail Back on Track has added to the criticism of the State Government's changes to the Centenary Highway upgrade at Springfield.

The changes delete 7.2 km of planned bikeways, in favour of two more northbound lanes between Springfield Parkway and Johnson Rd at Greenabank.

Rail Back on Track spokesman Robert Dow said without the bikeway and with extra road lanes the Centenary Hwy will reach capacity faster.

"Rather than address the real basis for congestion, too many people travelling in cars, they have chosen to further worsen congestion by also not optimising the railway presently being constructed from Richlands to Springfield,'' he said.

Mr Dow said the planned park and ride facilities were "inadequate'', with a total of 950 parks for three stations.

The criticism comes after Bicycle Queensland expressed disappointment at the growth corridor's bikeway being scrapped.

Manager Ben Wilson said it would lead to more people driving, fewer cycling, and less safety for people riding bicycles.

"We are concerned with the severance of the Springfield community from the existing bikeway network, local and longer destinations such as Oxley, Indooroopilly, Toowong and Brisbane CBD due to the loss of a safe crossing of the Logan Motorway,'' he said.

[Set in train]

The Centenary to Springfield was originally delivered as a two lane road as a condition from the state for Springfield Land Corp to develop the area.

SLC paid for the highway themselves.

It was always known the two lane road would need duplicating (earlier than what is happening).

It was short sighted of the original approving govt to allow this road to be built with no provision for funding the duplication.

Agree, the rail must be built but you can't shoehorn more than 10000vpd into a two lane road. It is not an indulgent luxury. The modes compliment each other.

[johnnigh]

Build a bigger road and you'll drive on it! That's the evidence. If you provide little alternative, then it's certainly a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Springfield Land Corp thought they'd be paid back the advance to build the highway, but a senior exec told me this morning it has been written off as a 'donation' or a type of land tax. Good on the then govt for extracting it!

Also informed that frequency would be 4 trains/hr peak and 2 off peak, from info on Translink. Well I didn't find it on Translink, nor did I expect to. But have any 'promises' been made?

Probably be cheapest for the govt to open the line and then not schedule any services at all.

[O_128]

Build a bigger road and you'll drive on it! That's the evidence. If you provide little alternative, then it's certainly a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Springfield Land Corp thought they'd be paid back the advance to build the highway, but a senior exec told me this morning it has been written off as a 'donation' or a type of land tax. Good on the then govt for extracting it!

Also informed that frequency would be 4 trains/hr peak and 2 off peak, from info on Translink. Well I didn't find it on Translink, nor did I expect to. But have any 'promises' been made?

Probably be cheapest for the govt to open the line and then not schedule any services at all.

Why build it for 30 min off peak? Biggest waste of money. That money could have gone into some real transport solutions for the inner suburbs.

[#Metro]

You know what, if they wanted to reduce congestion, they could have just charged TOLLS during peak hour.
Time and again it has been shown in Brisbane that if you TOLL a road, fewer people drive on it! It's effectiveness
is UNDENIABLE. Just look at AirportLink and Clem 7 and Go Between.

That would have reduced congestion pronto, and be HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars *cheaper* than lane expansion
and achieve exactly the same effect.
And with the money, you'd have some spare change to put more trains on as well, which would extinguish any arguments
about hitting the poor etc.

Of course, nobody in QLD will do something common sense like that.

[techblitz]

You know what, if they wanted to reduce congestion, they could have just charged TOLLS during peak hour.
Time and again it has been shown in Brisbane that if you TOLL a road, fewer people drive on it! It's effectiveness
is UNDENIABLE. Just look at AirportLink and Clem 7 and Go Between.

That would have reduced congestion pronto, and be HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars *cheaper* than lane expansion
and achieve exactly the same effect.
And with the money, you'd have some spare change to put more trains on as well, which would extinguish any arguments
about hitting the poor etc.

Of course, nobody in QLD will do something common sense like that.

uhm,its called politics
no politician would have the balls to do that,due to lost votes....move on.......

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

16th October 2012

Springfield railway failure

Greetings,

Springfield railway is not being optimised for success.

Letter to the editor:

Published Queensland Times 15th October 2012 page 9

Ellen Grove station is cheap, smarter option

The article in The QT (10/10) " Minister to announce Centenary Highway expansion" highlights how stupid the decision not to build the railway station at Ellen Grove is.

There are plans to build a railway station at Ellen Grove in about 5 years.

Building the station today would cost around $20 million, easily funded from the savings identified by Minister Emerson.

A station at Ellen Grove would relieve a lot of the parking issues at Richlands railway station, and provide relief at Springfield and Springfield Central stations, stations with planned inadequate park and ride facilities.

To come back at build the railway station at Ellen Grove in 5 or so years will cost at least $50 million dollars, with the added complexity of building it on a working railway.

This failure at Ellen Grove highlights admirably the flawed planning processes that occur in Queensland.

It is not to late to build Ellen Grove railway station ' greenfield '.  Is the Government smart enough?

ROBERT DOW
RAIL Back On Track

Some comments from a member:

The decision not to construct the station at Ellengrove would seem to be not only short sighted but a decision that will greatly add to the costs of constructing the station at that location at a later date on an in service rail line rather than the costs of constructing it as a greenfield site.

At the present time despite Richlands Station having been built with 650 car parking spaces and having effectively three bus feeder services, the car parking at Richlands is at capacity before 8.00-8.30am of a morning yet Springfield station is to be constructed with only 200 parking spaces and Springfield Central with an even more inadequate 100 parking spaces, given that the layout of the Springfield development as a whole in not conducive to the operation of feeder bus services to either station.

This will mean that the total number of parking spaces for all stations on the Springfield line will in total be 950 parking spaces.

By comparison with the Mandurah rail line in Perth which like the Springfield rail line parallels a major highway, in the case of the Springfield line is the Centenary Highway and for the Mandurah line is the Kwinana Freeway Transperth has now seen fit to construct a new station at Aubin Grove only five years since the Mandurah line was opened.

This infill station between Cockburn Central and Kwinana has similarly to Ellengrove which is proposed at this time to be built as an infill station between Springfield and Richlands.

There is however no similarity with the provision of commuter car parking or planning.  The number of car parking spaces at Cockburn Central has been increased from 600 to 1500 spaces, while Kwinana has 208 spaces.

The new station at Auburn Grove is now to be built with a 2000 space commuter car park yet the residential population although growing at some 3.5% annually, is less than the current population of Springfield and Springfield Central alone which has a similar rate of growth.

Without any allowance for those daily commuters who daily travel the Cunningham Highway and Centenary Highway and use the train to complete their journey into the CBD from either Richlands or Darra stations if parking is available there by rail and if not they add to the congestion on the Centenary Highway/Milton Road or the Ipswich Motorway routes into the CBD.

It is obvious by comparison that the commuter parking provisions for the Springfield line are grossly inadequate when compared with these three stations on the Mandurah line which have a total commuter car parking capacity of in excess of 3700 spaces with a residential gathering area population less than 3/5th that of the Richlands/Ellengrove/Forest Lake/Springfield Lakes and Springfield which will only provide a total of 950 spaces as presently proposed and the three stations used for this comparison all have more than four feeder bus services to each station.

The question arises if it is the intent of the Queensland Government and the Transport planners from the Transport and Main Roads Directorate to have the majority of commuters use private cars adding to the congestion on an already overstressed road system rather than public transport.

A partial solution would be the immediate construction of the station at Ellengrove as a greenfield site, this would deliver substantial cost savings on construction as the station could be built to a simple design, by the use of a subway which will be required at that station site because of the elevation of the rail line at the proposed Ellengrove station site location.

There would be no necessity for lifts to provide disability access as ramps at an acceptable gradient could be provided.  The savings by not having to provide lifts would be quite considerable and those requiring wheelchair access would also have as an alternative Richlands Station.

There is space within the rail corridor at Ellengrove for the provision of some 280 to 300 parking spaces and there is currently undeveloped land across Consendine Street from the station site that could be acquired to provide a further 1000+ parking bays which would relieve the problem of the failure to provide adequate parking spaces at Springfield and Springfield Central.

This would encourage the uptake by commuters of the rail line and reduce the growth of congestion on the Centenary Highway.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[Gazza]

If it does go ahead, at least relocate it so it is immediately south of the Waterford Rd (On the first pic I posted, it would be to left, off the image), that way you can have bus stops on Waterford Rd itself and run through to Carole Park  without the need for the bus to have to pull in and out of the interchange. P&R would be where the current construction site lockup is on the corner.
No need to dig an underpass, you'd just have entrances off Consindine St, and a small pedestrian plaza at road level.

The proposed location halfway along Considine St is stupid, it makes more sense to have stations by the intersection of a main Rd (Eg Ellen Grove sits on Progress Rd).

[petey3801]

Going by the signal layout in the area, I think the station site for Ellen Grove is pretty much set as is now..

[ozbob]

From the South West News 17th October 2012 page 3

Anger at backflip over new bike link

[ozbob]

Media release 17th October 2012

SEQ: Springfield, Simpsons' or South-east Queensland?

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the Springfield Railway line is being set up for failure (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The railway line from Richlands to Springfield is presently being constructed.  Of great concern to the community is the failure to build Ellen Grove station 'greenfield' and limited park and ride facilities planned for Springfield and Springfield Central railway stations (1).  It also appears the planned train frequency on the line will replicate the poor service on the bulk of the rail network."

"The recent decision to not construct the bicycle path from Richlands to Springfield as planned, has just further highlighted the diabolical situation with transport planning in south-east Queensland (2).  It is presently a paradigm for failure and congestion."

"Richlands has 650 car parking spaces, Springfield will have 200 and Springfield Central 100, a total of 950 spaces. Compare this to the Mandurah railway line in West Australia, that has 3700 car parking spaces for a similar demographic and situation (1)."

"A billion dollars is being spent on the railway line but it is being set up for less than optimal usage.  What is wrong with the planners in Transport and Main Roads?  Are they captured by the car-centric congestion chaos paradigm?  No jurisdiction has solved congestion by building more roads.  Optimising public transport will."

"The State Government is distinguishing itself as one that is focussed on achieving transport mediocrity. A major disappointment to Queenslanders."

References:

1. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=3940.msg110773#msg110773

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=3940.msg110809#msg110809

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[ozbob]

[ozbob]

From The Satellite 24th October 2012 page 8

Springfield rail line being set up for 'failure'

[ozbob]

Idiots .... 

Umm, they scrapped the bicycle path.

Comparing Ipswich to the Springfield line stations is just an excellent example of why we need new staff at TransLink ...

[Gazza]

Comparing Ipswich to the Springfield line stations is just an excellent example of why we need new staff at TransLink ...

I think the gist is, Both Ipswich station, and Springfield Central stations are "CBD" type stations, so have lower parking provision than "Suburbia" type stations like Richlands.
Springfield central will be one in the near future and surrounded by big buildings so I don't think they want to establish a situation where they have to take away parking (And suffer the wrath of people who became used to them) to build the planned buildings.
Nor would TL want to fund car parks that will be demolished in under a decade.

It's no different to Chermside where they dont want to expand park and ride there.
Or Indooroopilly.

Springfield station itself could probably have more.

Springfield central is lucky, because all the buses will go there due to the Uni and Orion. Presumably the routes will be modified to finally terminate at the station.

[ozbob]

Springfield Central will have serious parking issues with folks coming up from the Ripley Valley and further out ...  they will be forced to Springfield
- parked out, to Richlands parked out ...   

It is farcical ...  Councillors, citizens, everyone wants some expansion of the park and ride, we are not looking at inner suburbia here.

Look at Mandurah ...  3,700 ...

Yes, designed to fail.  Since when has TransLink ever set up proper feeder buses - frequency span of hours, and there is also the issue of the street layouts?

[Gazza]

Springfield Central will have serious parking issues with folks coming up from the Ripley Valley and further out

So we have to spend $20,000 a space for people choosing to live in the middle of nowhere?
I'd rather the money go towards buses for people closer to the line.

[ozbob]

Come on Gazza, cut the tripe.  Building park and ride out there is a lot cheaper, and it is needed to optimise the rail.

Mediocrity mate ...

[Gazza]

But the land around Springfield Central is already pencilled in for TOD, I want that to be optimised.
The lack of 15 min frequency on the line is a far bigger failure, and affects more people.

[Jonno]

But the land around Springfield Central is already pencilled in for TOD, I want that to be optimised.
The lack of 15 min frequency on the line is a far bigger failure, and affects more people.

+100000000

[ozbob]

Oxley has 191 car parks ... LOLOL

Springfield Central needs a temporary facility, something the local Councillor is pushing.

Springfield itself needs around 400 spaces at least ..

Train frequency will be a world class 30 minutes of course ...

[Gazza]

Springfield Central needs a temporary facility, something the local Councillor is pushing.

^In that case, A good compromise would be a gravel area like on the corner at Carindale, but make bloody sure you put a sign every 2m on the fence saying "This area is a provided as a temporary commuter parking area. Springfield Land corporation reserves the right to close this car park at any time for development purposes".

[ozbob]

http://www.qt.com.au/news/parking-battle-looms/1199496/

http://division2news.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/new-springfield-central-railway-station.html

[Gazza]

Even if you provided 1000 spaces, car drivers would still complain that's not enough for them.

[ozbob]

Clearly the planned parking spaces at Springfield and Springfield Central are inadequate. I have no doubt they will have to be expanded.

Richlands 650, Springfield 200 and Springfield Central 100.  Darra has 206 'official spaces' probably an additional 400 to 500 cars in the streets around there any week day.  It is worsening too I have noted.

Varsity Lakes 300, Robina 894, Nerang 690, Helensvale 877, Coomera 565.

Caboolture 675 ....

Gailes "77" officially lol, but verge parking is basically unlimited

Be kind of bizzarre, 100 park and ride at Springfield Central, 400 or so at Gailes.   

Yep, real smart ..

Cleveland 238

East Ipswich 258 ....

Dinmore 490 ...

[ozbob]

Springfield is nothing like Ipswich.  Ipswich has 120 official park and rides but at adjacent car parks there are hundreds more, and even the shopping centre car parks are used by commuters.  Also lots of buses coming into the rail station as well, but still lots of park and rides.  East Ipswich and Dinmore are often better options though for folks further out.  But the busiest station west of Darra is actually Goodna, 243 car parks, but a lot more street parking.

[mufreight]

Comparing Ipswich to the Springfield line stations is just an excellent example of why we need new staff at TransLink ...

I think the gist is, Both Ipswich station, and Springfield Central stations are "CBD" type stations, so have lower parking provision than "Suburbia" type stations like Richlands.
Springfield central will be one in the near future and surrounded by big buildings so I don't think they want to establish a situation where they have to take away parking (And suffer the wrath of people who became used to them) to build the planned buildings.
Nor would TL want to fund car parks that will be demolished in under a decade.

It's no different to Chermside where they dont want to expand park and ride there.
Or Indooroopilly.

Springfield station itself could probably have more.

Springfield central is lucky, because all the buses will go there due to the Uni and Orion. Presumably the routes will be modified to finally terminate at the station.

With the greatest of respect for your opinions Gazza try getting your facts right.
Your comparison of Springfield Central and the Ipswich CBD are that infantile they are pathetic.
In terms of parking avaliable for comuters at Springfield of 100 spaces against a considerably higher number at Ipswich.
At Ipswich there are some 120+ open air spaces on railway land then there are a further three levels of parking in the same building that houses the actual station itself which would accommodate a further 600 + spaces we then cross the road to the Ipswich Mall underground car park where there are a further five levels of parking of which three are almost exclusively used by comuters which accomodate another 760 spaces on those three levels.
Now to my mind that figure totals out at more than 1500 avaliable spaces a little more than the 100 proposed at Springfield Central.
Oh and just accross the river about a five minute walk the Riverlink complex has just added a further 300 spaces to encourage comuters to park there then walk accross to the station so they will be encouraged to do their shopping there on their return journey home and these I have not counted.
Time to stop spouting smoke Gazza.   
You must be using the figures that Translink uses to justify doing nothing in the name of politicial expediency.

[#Metro]

I agree with Ozbob, and disagree with Gazza and Jonno.

Generally I am anti-park and ride (with the exception that some (i.e. less than 50 spaces) car parking should always be provided for disabled, drop offs, people who aren't near the bus, people running late, etc. (and CHARGE $$$ where practical).

HOWEVER

If you look at the street layouts, no bus will ever be able to be fast or direct. TransLink is "encouraging people to walk or catch the bus" what a joke that is for this area!! People who value speed (I would suggest 90% + of people) are going to have problems "walking or cycling to the station" because the road layout is specifically designed to be anti-public transport and slow PT down disproportionately.

This is the kind of urban format that made the PT planners in Perth put TOD on its head and call it DOT - development oriented transport, to retrofit into anti-PT sprawl. And in places like that, you need to have motorised access (by bus or car). Cycling, which mode share is something like 3% or even less in INNER CITY DENSE areas hasn't got a hope in hell out at springfield. To fill one train you'd need to have 1000 cyclists - good luck!!

50% of the PT patronage at the newer (Mandurah and Joondalup lines) in Perth comes from park and ride. To prevent people who have alternatives and car park saturation they charge for parking, something that seems a totally heretical concept over in Queensland.

To those who revere TOD as some kind of pancea - no matter how much development goes on at stations or around it, it will do nothing for MOBILITY, and particularly so for those who live *away* from the station (the overwhelming majority of people in that area).

The road layout has been set - select the right tools for the job, and do that.

[#Metro]

 

Come on Gazza, cut the tripe.  Building park and ride out there is a lot cheaper, and it is needed to optimise the rail.

Mediocrity mate ...

This is true. Land costs are much cheaper because the land itself is cheaper too....

[Set in train]

Springfield Central will have serious parking issues with folks coming up from the Ripley Valley and further out ...  they will be forced to Springfield
- parked out, to Richlands parked out ...   

It is farcical ...  Councillors, citizens, everyone wants some expansion of the park and ride, we are not looking at inner suburbia here.

Does 'everyone' include the local state member of parliament that would've voted in some form or another for this project and its lack of parking spaces?

[Gazza]

With the greatest of respect for your opinions Gazza try getting your facts right.
Your comparison of Springfield Central and the Ipswich CBD are that infantile they are pathetic.

Get stuffed!
Your espousal that you could build a train station and 1000 spaces for $5 Mil is infantile and pathetic.

[mufreight]

Might I suggest that you read the posts a little more closely.
Ellengrove is I am assured able to be constructed as an station with 280 car spaces for $5 mill as a greenfield project the additional car spaces can be accomodated accross Consindine Street and were not included in the costing.
Another point is that there was no provision of lifts and all staff and equipment is already on site if built greenfield.
Might I suggest that a read of the letters to the Minister thread might prove enlightening.

[Gazza]

Cool, so making things sound cheaper by leaving them out of the costings.

Saying you want 1000 spaces and we need, it but then citing a cost for  building much less less than that.

Infantile.

In other news, the construction contract for Cross river rail has been awarded to the Mufreight consortium, and is being built for $20 dollars*

*Note, does not include tunnels, tracks, sleepers, stations, overheads, signalling, extra trains, resumptions. 

all staff and equipment is already on site if built greenfield.

Bull! , at the Ellen Grove work site you have the stuff required to build the track and the overheads and civil works and thats it.

Where is the staff and equipment to ashphalt a car park? The plumber for the toilets, drinking fountains, station building roof drainage etc? The electrician (One who deals at the commercial/domestic scale, not H.V traction) for station lighting, networking, comms, car park CCTV etc etc?
These guys are not on site.

[Stillwater]

http://www.treasury.wa.gov.au/cms/uploadedFiles/_Treasury/Publications/11_09_28_SAMF_alliance_contracting_exposure_draft.pdf

[HappyTrainGuy]

If the area isn't going to have a TOD directly surrounding it right away or the PT network isn't up to scratch a temp park and ride can easily be made available until such a time where it gets redeveloped. Sorta similar to Lawnton. There's a small park and ride on the left and the empty field to the right is utilised aswell (not even paved - just grass ). Otherwise you'll end up with another Chermside. The only reason park and ride keeps getting mentioned for there is due to the p%ss poor local public transport for people directly surrounding the Chermside area (frequency/route travelled/lack of routes/running hours of services). The 335 used to bypass it during peak hours and ended at 9pm (not sure about inbound but outbound the 335s can have 15-25 people getting on them in the aro when previously that wasn't an option along with it now finishing at 11pm). People living along Ellison Road have a 600-800m walk minimum in a hilly area to catch a bus that could include a 400m walk though a unlit sports field because of the poor running hours of the 336/337. The small pocket of houses between Gympie Road and the Chermside Markets have poor options due to Gympie Road being impossible to cross without using the lights. Buses coming from the east are non existant or avoided due to traffic congestion at Geebung and Hamilton Road. The 325 can take over 15 minutes to go from Newman Road-Gympie Road along Hamilton Road. The 77 can take more than 10 mins to traverse the small section of Hamilton Road and create even worse congestion as it blocks the lane to give an idea of how bad that area is during peak hour. Removing the southern pedestrian crossing at the Gympie/Hamilton Road intersection would help as it would mean cars can turn left/continue straight on without waiting for people to cross the road. 330/331 can sometimes be full by the time they get to Zillmere or they shadow in groups of 3 through the busway (which is the same as teh 332/333  ). The 336/337 would be a great feeder service for locals going to Geebung railway station/Chermside bus interchange/Aspley bus interchange and local nearby schools during peak hour yet its run at the very end of morning peak hour and finishes before arvo peak. Because of the poor service to Chermside interchange that then flows onto other nearby available parking such as Carseldine, Zillmere, Geebung and Sunshine railway stations and the Aspley bus interchange which now has security in the mornings that give people the move along if they park there. Fix up the local public transport for the area and hopefully the issue of park and rides at Chermside would be a thing of the past.