New Generation Rollingstock

[petey3801]

160/260s are basically identical apart from the 160s having a toilet and associated fittings.

[tazzer9]

IMU160 and SMU260 are pretty much identical, only small differences in electrical and computerisation.  (due to the small age difference).  And the Toilet and internal layout difference of course.   Gearing is the same, the two classes often are amalgamated together for revenue service on the GC line.   
Oh and I think they fixed the loading gauge issue for the 260's.

[BrizCommuter]

http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/mbrl-and-ngr-delayed-again.html
MBRL and NGR delayed again. 

Looks like BrizCommuter was right when he wrote the "highly negative" post that upset so many earlier in the year.

[bretto82]

Hey Bris qr has nothing to do with mbrl it a tmr job so qr don't really have a say and the ngr well another hack job by the lnp that qr again has no say in any part

[#Metro]

Happy to see a pic with the post! I like BC's photography.

LD.

[ozbob]

http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/mbrl-and-ngr-delayed-again.html
MBRL and NGR delayed again. 

Looks like BrizCommuter was right when he wrote the "highly negative" post that upset so many earlier in the year.

Briz, unconfirmed rumours have suggested that 701 has escaped Wulkuraka once or twice to journey to Rosewood.  This has been under the cover of darkness, late on a Friday night (WTF!).  NGR set has not been sighted on the wider network at this time AFAIAA - other than when towed from the port.

[ozbob]

TMR & LNP

Slow clap !!

[BrizCommuter]

Hey Bris qr has nothing to do with mbrl it a tmr job so qr don't really have a say and the ngr well another hack job by the lnp that qr again has no say in any part

QR is still the train operator though, and should inform customers of delays and reasons for it (along with TransLink).

[BrizCommuter]

Happy to see a pic with the post! I like BC's photography.

LD.

Blogger was having an issue, and was not allowing photo uploads when posting.
Anyway, BrizCommuter has no photos of either MBRL or NGR.

[tazzer9]

I don't think QR owns the train yet.  It would still be owned by the consortium that builds and maintains them.

[bretto82]

Qr won't own the trains won't maintain them just drive them end of story dtmr are the ones in charge of the project to deliver them that's it will be owned by the mob building them and leased to qr to operate as per can dos and scottys contract

[petey3801]

QR don't, nor ever will, own the NGR stock. It is owned by TMR (and Bombardier, I believe, also part owns them). It is a TMR/QLD Gov't procurement, QR is simply the operator, and no, they don't have to inform people of the NGR delays. Want that information, contact TMR.

[cartoonbirdhaus]

Possibly time to start thinking about training a few drivers and guards and reinstating the 2000's and the SX set?

Maybe some Evans carriages from the Zig Zag Railway? 

[ozbob]

Possibly time to start thinking about training a few drivers and guards and reinstating the 2000's and the SX set?

Maybe some Evans carriages from the Zig Zag Railway? 

Now you're talking!  Where is the DD17 ?

[petey3801]

Where is the DD17 ?

Hopefully returning soon, I do miss seeing the Blue Baby!

[ozbob]

 

[red dragin]

Where is the DD17 ?

Hopefully returning soon, I do miss seeing the Blue Baby!

Boiler was still on the ground a few months ago. 1089 was still in a few bits too.

[nathandavid88]

Where is the DD17 ?

Hopefully returning soon, I do miss seeing the Blue Baby!

Boiler was still on the ground a few months ago. 1089 was still in a few bits too.

I was there about a month ago, and DD17 was still in a lot of pieces as one of about three current major resto jobs they're working on (along with A10 No 3 and QM's Hunslet B/n 1239). If I get time, I'll post some of the photos I took of, well, the bits of Blue Baby. 1089 was all back together though, I think it was fired up again for the Ipswich Open Day (the day after I went).

[Derwan]

I kinda wonder what 701 is doing.  Is it just sitting in the shed at Wulkuraka?  It was supposed to be a finished product.  Surely they couldn't have been making modifications to it all this time?  They could've almost built one since it arrived!

Or are they only doing the basics in India and then doing some more fit-outs when the trains arrive in Australia?

Give the contract back to Maryborough!  The only issue we had with their trains was the very edge of the Air Con units being too high, which was fixed before the next sets were built (despite QR shaving a layer of Rock off in the tunnels anyway).

[tazzer9]

The only fitting that should have been done within Australia is putting up the stickers for the quiet carriage.   Maybe that is the only part left to do, but that would require a planning stage, independent review, financial analysis, funding approval for the stickers, recruitment and training of personnel to install such sticker, which since he would be around trains, will require every single medical test known,  actual installation of the sticker, quality control test from a manger.   

You can see why its taking its time.

[nathandavid88]

The only fitting that should have been done within Australia is putting up the stickers for the quiet carriage.   Maybe that is the only part left to do, but that would require a planning stage, independent review, financial analysis, funding approval for the stickers, recruitment and training of personnel to install such sticker, which since he would be around trains, will require every single medical test known,  actual installation of the sticker, quality control test from a manger.   

You can see why its taking its time.

Except that it very much sounds like the fact that they weren't built in Australia is now resulting in major delays due to quality and reliability issues.

[red dragin]

701-704 (based on a union release) where built DOO and need fitting out for guards.

Plus 701 is the test mule. Adelaide's 4001 took a while to get into service.

[petey3801]

I was there about a month ago, and DD17 was still in a lot of pieces as one of about three current major resto jobs they're working on

Good to know she's being worked on at least! Has been quite some time since she graced out rails, that's for sure.

I kinda wonder what 701 is doing.  Is it just sitting in the shed at Wulkuraka?  It was supposed to be a finished product.  Surely they couldn't have been making modifications to it all this time?  They could've almost built one since it arrived!

Or are they only doing the basics in India and then doing some more fit-outs when the trains arrive in Australia?

I believe it is doing static testing, Wulkuraka yard testing as well as modifications/defect rectifications.

Something we need to remember is that 701 is the first train off a brand new assembly line, so it was always going to have some problems and bugs that needed to be fixed. I believe there have been quite a number of defects on 701, which is why 702 has taken so long to get here as it has been getting said modifications done in India before coming over. In hindsight, i'd say the management concerned wish they hadn't worked the program on such a short timetable, but thems the breaks. At least it's still going better than pretty much all new commercial jets in the past decade or so!
Another thing we need to remember is the 160/260s were actually not brand new units, they were very heavily based off the Perth B Series, therefore most of the bugs had been ironed out already before the 160s came in to service. Even then, IMU161 first started on-track testing in September 2006 and didn't start revenue service until 28th May, 2007. So, be patient!

[tazzer9]

Completely forgot that they also need to use 701 to test the entire yard and new equipment on. 

701-704 (based on a union release) where built DOO and need fitting out for guards.

Plus 701 is the test mule. Adelaide's 4001 took a while to get into service.

Adelaide isn't really comparable as they were also testing everything.
But how on earth were they built as DOO, is it  a case of skipping all non critical equipment so they can have a photo of it standing here in australia.

[petey3801]

It's how Newman wanted it. First 10 or so units will not come equipped with CCTV screens on the back cab wall for the guards like the Waratahs. They will be retrofitted after they arrive and are put in to service.

[Derwan]

It's how Newman wanted it. First 10 or so units will not come equipped with CCTV screens on the back cab wall for the guards like the Waratahs. They will be retrofitted after they arrive and are put in to service.

[tazzer9]

Whats the bet they will need to operate with a 3 person crew so they don't break some kind of safety law or union policy.   Driver, guard and flagman.

[SurfRail]

^ The way things are looking I'd say we will end up with "repeaters" needed to operate ramps in the middle of the train...

[tazzer9]

According to a translink FB post, a NGR is in transit to brisbane. 
Or should we be calling the the next generation locomotive hauled carriages.

[kram0]

According to someone close to the project, train 702 will be the one that enters service first.

[tazzer9]

According to someone close to the project, train 702 will be the one that enters service first.

Thats usually the case.  701 will remain a testbed for a while

[Arnz]

^^ Same situation with the 160s, I think 161 and 164 were the first two (coupled as a 6-car set) in service from memory (open to correction).

[SurfRail]

I believe 161-164 entered service all on the same day in 2007 (marshalled as 161/164 and 162/163).  I was on the first one to leave Robina, whichever it was.

[kram0]

According to someone close to the project, train 702 will be the one that enters service first.

Thats usually the case.  701 will remain a testbed for a while

True. He even suggested 701 might never enter active service.

[tazzer9]

True. He even suggested 701 might never enter active service.

Deck it out and make it QLD's new royal train.   Just in case the Governor feels like riding the rails.
But seriously it would make a good test train for rolling out ATP across the suburban network.

[mufreight]

Has any decision been made yet on the location of the guards position on these new train sets?

[ozbob]

Has any decision been made yet on the location of the guards position on these new train sets?

I understand Guards will be in the rear of the NGR trains.

[mufreight]

Going to create confusion for assisted boarding unless all guards are moved to the trailing end of the trains then all the humps in the platforms such as the ones being built at Dinmore and Graceville in the middle of the platforms will prove to be of little use and something of a waste.

[ozbob]

Yes, another clusterfuk which typifies public transport matters overseen by TMR.

[nathandavid88]

True. He even suggested 701 might never enter active service.

Deck it out and make it QLD's new royal train.   Just in case the Governor feels like riding the rails.
But seriously it would make a good test train for rolling out ATP across the suburban network.

Fun fact – the Vice Regal Car is still to this day considered a working piece of QR Rollingstock, but is currently on loan to the Workshops Museum.