New Generation Rollingstock

[red dragin]

3rd is a Monday, most likely be released at 5.55pm on the Friday before.

[ozbob]

3rd is a Monday, most likely be released at 5.55pm on the Friday before.

Probably, that is the usual sneaky way they do it. 

I am hoping though it might get dropped a bit earlier than that.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1065438508322418688

[ozbob]

The official website says the final report will be delivered BY December 3, but it probably will be on that day.  It will be interesting to see whether the government will sit on it while it builds a PR strategy to counter its damning findings.   

[SurfRail]

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721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730
733 735 736 737 738 739 740

Beat me to it

^ Confident I've been on 737 recently

I'll add it in anyway.
Thought I saw 731 as well, but not overly confident that it was. EDIT 733 added

742 is on the road.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/DannMallet/status/1067625123845296130

[red dragin]

My wife caught one for the first time yesterday. Got to the station early so took the chance to ride one.

Said the seats where really comfortable, the brakes where quiet and the air conditioning was cool.

Based on all the other reports about them, I'm not too sure now what type of train she actually caught  :conf

[verbatim9]

They are quiet now and the aircon is cool for what I have experienced. Sometimes you can hear the brakes when waiting at stations, but not while inside the train.

[SurfRail]

It varies significantly from unit to unit.

[achiruel]

NGR701 will be having it's third birthday soon (a bit under 3 months). Any celebrations planned ozbob?

[ozbob]

NGR701 will be having it's third birthday soon (a bit under 3 months). Any celebrations planned ozbob?

I guess if 701 is still in the stabling paddock at Redbank, we might have to raise a glass in the Commercial .. 

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Cost-cutting move to remove toilets from trains to end in multimillion-dollar bill over disability access flaws.

A MULTIMILLION-dollar fix to the state's bungled new trains order is expected to be outlined today as Queenslanders find how design flaws breaching disability access laws came about.

The State Government has been examaning options to fix the $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock project flaws since September 2017 when the problems were revealed.

It then announced plans to solve the crisis by removing toilets from 40 NGR passenger trains and adding a second toilet to the remaining 35 trains on long distance services.

But The Courier-Mail can reveal an option put for forward by the disability sector to add a second toilet to all 75 NGR trains has since been under Government consideration.

It is yet to reveal the total cost of fixing the trains, which was first estimated at $150 million.

A report to be released today by the Commission of Inquiry into the NGR issues will reveal how an attempt to save money by slashing the number of toilets on board the trains in 2012 backfired by contributing to the disability access failings.

As revealed by The Courier-Mail last week, a briefing paper seen by the newspaper shows plans to change the design to six-car trains with just one toilet was under discussion by Queensland Rail as early as April 2012.

It was one less toilet than previously planned and meant one of the adjoining two carriages with designated seating for disabled people did not have a toilet.

And QR was aware the aisle linking the two carriages breached the Disability Discrimination Act as it was too narrow for people in wheelchairs, meaning that unlike other passengers, disabled people who boarded the wrong carriage could not reach the toilet.

But the design was put to the former LNP administration in 2012, under then Transport Department director-general Michael Caltabiano, and later adopted in the 2013 contract between the Government and the consortium led by train builder Bombardier.

Commissioner Michael Forde has criticised a "failure for genuine consultation with the disability groups" and told The Courier-Mail "both sides agreed to sign a contract that had terms which were non-compliant with the disability legislation."

Disability advocate Geoff Trappett said the sector only stumbled on the issues more than three and a half years after first flagged internally at QR. QR has refused to comment.

Mr Trappett, who was on the accessibility reference group, said no mention was made of the removal of the second toilet when it was initially shown a carriage mock-up in January 2016.

The mock-up then shown to the group featured a toilet.

[JustSomeTrainGuy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't increasing the size of the existing toilets by 10% occupy the space that the walkway between the middle two cars currently possesses, therefore making these trains essentially "three car sets" because you can't walk from end to end?

[ozbob]

I have seen an earlier plan of what was proposed. Still able to travel between the two centre carriages.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1075154260155805696



Photograph R Dow 19th December 2018

Anyone know what happened to 702?  Some suggestions might have/be going to Maryborough for the trial of the rectification works.

[ozbob]

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1075772961917874181

[STB]

Just spotted 746 on a test run through Nerang station.

[Bretto1082]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1075154260155805696



Photograph R Dow 19th December 2018

Anyone know what happened to 702?  Some suggestions might have/be going to Maryborough for the trial of the rectification works.

702 has returned to wulkuraka

[ozbob]

Thanks Bretto.  Good to know. 

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742

[jesse]

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Add 734,741,743,744,747,748 to the mix

[verbatim9]

703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710
711 712 713 714 716 717 718 719 720
721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730
733 735 736 737 738 739 740
742

Add 734,741,743,744,747,748 to the mix

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703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710
711 712 713 714 716 717 718 719 720
721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730
733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740
741 742 743 744 747 748

Add 734,741,743,744,747,748 to the mix

Wow. 41?

[jesse]

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711 712 713 714 716 717 718 719 720
721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730
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741 742 743 744 747 748

Add 734,741,743,744,747,748 to the mix

Wow. 41?

Yes, somehow they keep bobbing up

[ozbob]

Days since NGR 701 towed to Wulkuraka

[verbatim9]

Caught a NGR back from Caboolture to Roma Street yesterday evening enroute to Ipswich. I didn't realise they were running on that line already.

[achiruel]

Have any NGRs been sent to Maryborough for remedial works yet?

[ozbob]

Have any NGRs been sent to Maryborough for remedial works yet?

Not that we are aware of.

[JustSomeTrainGuy]

Out of interest, do you think these will be towed or driven to Maryborough? Do they have ATP?

[ozbob]

Out of interest, do you think these will be towed or driven to Maryborough? Do they have ATP?

Towed.  They have an ATP capability but I don't think it is able to be operated at this time.

[mufreight]

No reason why they can not be driven to Marybrough, they took a couple of them to Marybrough when they were doing their initial acceptance testing.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Even without atp they can be driven up there. Just need to follow additional safeworking procedures. Anyway they are quite busy with some of the existing rollingstock up there for mtce since redbank shut down.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1080192404542517248

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1080193194262839296

[verbatim9]

Was on this train to the Gold.Coast yesterday. Already vandalised not even a year old.
Etching in Windows with tags Grrr!

NGR Carriage number

[Stillwater]

There used to be a practice of applying a couple of layers of clear plastic film to train windows so that if a window becomes graffitied, the clear wrap is peeled off.

[mufreight]

apparently QR does not use that any more because of the cost so we now have windows that the feral animals of society can make their mark and the windows get replaced when the trains get their major refurbishment which is about once every 5 or 6 years.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Train windows are replaced at Mayne when needed.

[SurfRail]

"When needed" appears to be "smashed but not sooner".

Qtectic is responsible for MTCE on these things, and I understand the windows do have sacrificial film.

[kram0]

Was on this train to the Gold.Coast yesterday. Already vandalised not even a year old.
Etching in Windows with tags Grrr!

NGR Carriage number

It's f&$king disgusting. This is what happens when there are not proper punishments handed out for the vandalism caused by complete dead beats, that provide no benefit to this country. I was in Singapore a couple days ago and everybody respects the MRT. Not an ounce of vandalism anywhere.